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Nice one Pastorkun

PastorKun:
@Joagbaje
Can you briefly tell us how much Paul charged for the letters he wrote to the gentile churches?

Man is immortal negro. He puts off this earthly tent and survives as a spirit.
Satan and his demons are immortal; they don't die and only cease to exist when God says so which He won't.
Angels are immortal, I don't recall reading a requiem for angels nowhere

Michael we see him in Daniel and thousands of years later in Revelation. Will he die?

Thinking may not be your forte but pretend it is

frosbel:
Vooks forgive me for calling you out as an ignoramus par excellence, just what is difficult in understanding what a simple term like immortal means ?? Why lie to give it another meaning in preparation for your withdrawal ??

Immortal means = cannot die

Easy, simple, no need to pretend you understand , just get a dictionary and learn a new word.

Back to the question : is man immortal ?

Format/typesetting....paragraphs,headings and so forth

paulGrundy:
Am lost

You need to demonstrate that CE is a cult. Mad rants don't count as proof. PaulGrundy has claimed and demonstrated with evidence that WatchTower Society aka Jehovah's Witnesses is a cult.

It is a pity that hanging out with intellectual Giants of PaulGrundy stature leaves you unaffected

frosbel:
Mate, I am simply calling you guys out for what you are , hypocrites

Christ Embassy is one of the largest cults in Africa and your cult leader is a man of controversy , not good ones by the way.

So for a cult to call another organisation a cult is funny to say the least.

Just come out of that cult and you may begin to grasp one or two truths !!

PaulGrundy,
Would you say that this flip flop is all based on embarrassment of ditching a doctrine yet they have insisted that Jehovah ONLY communicates to man through them? It is a face saving exercise that has cost so many lives

Amateur skeptic and now spammer. When will you grow up?

frosbel:
"You hypocrites, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye." - Matthew 7:5

PaulGrundy,
I just copied this off the Adobe Reader iPad app. But you need some formatting I suppose

IN THE HISTORY of a religious organization there can be defining moments, particular times and circumstances that allow for seeing beyond external appearance and recognizing the true character and essential spirit of the organization. The organization’s own self-image, its dominant cast of mind and outlook, its motivating force and its pattern of response to disagreement or challenge, can then be seen more clearly. The factors that come to light may have actually been there all along, at the inner core of the organization, but were beneath the surface, even at odds with external appearances and professed principles. The defining moment may produce a portrait that is disturbingly different from the image the organization holds in the minds of its membership, and that defining period may even escape their notice if those at the organization’s center can effectively suppress awareness of it. Most readers of the book that follows will have at least some familiarity with the religion of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Consider, then, the following statements and ask yourself as to the possible source of these expressions, and also as to their validity: The natural man can see that a visibly organized body, with a definite purpose, is a thing of more or less power; therefore they esteem the various organizations, from which we have come out, in obedience to the Master’s call. But the natural man cannot understand how a company of people, with no organization which they can see, is ever going to accomplish anything. As they look upon us, they regard us simply as a few scattered skirmishers—a “peculiar people”—with very peculiar ideas and hopes, but not worthy of special notice. Under our Captain, all the truly sanctified, however few or far separated in person, are closely united by the Spirit of Christ, in faith, hope and love; and, in following the Master’s command, are moving in solid battalions for the accomplishment of his purposes. But, bear in mind, God is not dependent upon numbers (See Judges 7, as an illustration). . . . We always refuse to be called by any other name than that of our Head—Christians—continually claiming that there can be no division among those continually led by his Spirit and example as made known through his Word. Beware of “organization.” It is wholly unnecessary. The Bible rules will be the only rules you will need. Do not seek to bind others’ consciences, and do not permit others to bind yours. Believe and obey so far as you can understand God’s Word today, and so continue growing in grace and knowledge and love day by day.

paulGrundy:
Oh! I forgot. It escaped me.



Its very easy to download, except you don't have a pdf reader, simply copy this link:

khazarzar.skeptik.net/books/franz01.pdf

paste it in your URL, and download for free.



How I wish there was a way I could copy from the pdf format of the book.

Negro, you got sick hobbies such as parading your ignorance and inability to think.
Is Psalms Old Testament?

JesusisLord85:
But the gospels are not New Testament. Let me help you:

Hebrews 9:16 "For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator"

This is how you know those edomites that crafted your bible, decided which books to include and omit, were devils.

Where is the doctrine of baptism taught in the OT?

Cc BabaGnoni

frosbel:
Further evidence that you are clueless, no to worry anyway , I will keep educating you till the logic and reason sections of your brain start working as designed

Why do you insist on absence of Abraham's bosom in the OT as 'proof' that the same was an addition or adulteration of the Scriptures?

Skepticism takes immense brains and if I were you, I'd pray and fast for that before overheating and burning the little God gave you

frosbel:
Now I know that Pastor Chris (PhD ) has thoroughly confused your thinking, stick to what you know Pal.

Amateur skeptic,
Where in the OT do we have the doctrine of baptism?

This is too hard for puny brains but care to share with us the lifespan of the Angels who never rebelled?
A creature living forever is not absurd.

frosbel:
Look at this one looking for a way out.

How can you say "When I say man and Satan and his angels are immortal I mean they have the propensity to live FOREVER ", does this even make sense to you ?

What does immortal mean , go and check a dictionary !

When I say man and satan and his angels are immortal, I mean they have the propensity to live FOREVER. Only God can stop them, and He won't do this in the Lake of Fire.

When we say God is Faithful not to forget our labor of love, we certainly don't mean He has 'evidence of the unseen'. Man's immortality and God's are poles apart

BabaGnoni:
^^^
Only God is immortal, only Jesus is immortal regardless of what frosbel says or tears his hair out over
- also, only God can be in two places at the same time. frosbel cant
- only God can lay down His life and pick it up again. No one, not even frosbel too, again, can

He alone can never die, and he lives in light so brilliant that no human can approach him.
No human eye has ever seen him, nor ever will. All honor and power to him forever! Amen.
1 Timothy 6:16 NLT

He alone possesses immortality and lives in unapproachable light,
whom no human has ever seen or is able to see. To him be honor and eternal power! Amen.
1 Timothy 6:16 Net Bible

Now to the King eternal, immortal,
invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
- 1 Timothy 1:17 NIV

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No one can take my life from me.
I sacrifice it voluntarily.
For I have the authority to lay it down when I want to and also to take it up again.
For this is what my Father has commanded."
- John 10:18 NLT


^^^
Incineration or cremation comes to mind

Good, now you are pretending to think
Show me in the OT where water baptism was taught

frosbel:
turning water into wine is not a doctrine duh !!

Sadly annual end year/crossover prophecies are another meaningless ritual. Like one wise man observe, when God is silent, men are at their most rabid glib

Not yet, haven't started but I sure will.
From the little you have share on Raymond, he has my respect. He had insurmountable odds stacked against him. Surely the hand of the Lord is not too short to save

paulGrundy:
You welcome. Have you finished reading it?

WinsomeX:
Sorry for the late reply vooks. I got caught up with the festivity of the season.

Who didn't?

Well let's see how we can help your situation. And welcome to the world of Seun antispambots. BabaGnoni knows could give you some tips to get out of them faster if you ask him.

Thanks

The Cessationists positions on the office of apostles and prophets is clear enough. They have ceased. They need to cease because only then will the words of scriptures be complete and need no addition.


The matter of Agabus is simple; you are the one making it complex. Agabus was a prophet in the apostolic age whose gift and ministry was relevant at that time. We do not have "Agabuses" today again.

It is ambiguous and void of logic. It's central claim is these gifts were used to give us the scriptures. We have PhIlip's seven daughters who prophesied, we have Agabus who prophesied. How much NT did they give us? What makes Agabus personal prophecy to an apostle less relevant if it was given to another man in 200AD? And on what scriptural basis do they pick which gifts and offices have ceased and which haven't?

This is however were the Cessationists will disagree with me: God can still give a clear prophetic word about the future today. It doesn't make the vessel he uses equal in prophetic authority as those in the apostles time. Example: I am 100% sure that the church will know when Jesus will return and be prepared to receive him. The Lord will give the word and we will be ready to receive him. If he tarries, I am 100% sure that I will know the time of my death. The Lord will tell and I will pit my house together before leaving. That doesn't make me a prophet.

This is where you muddy up. What 'prophetic authority' did Agabus have. A prophecy in 50AD and another in 2014AD have the same TRUTH in that they come from the Spirit of Truth. Both are subservient to the Scripture. God gives prophecies to prophets and he gives tongues to those with the gift of tongues,teaching to teachers. How can one prophesy if they are not prophets? Once again, what do you mean by 'prophetic authority'?

I am glad we are agreed on tongues being languages. On the matter of it being used for preaching, I cannot remember if this was the basis the speaker above used to justify tongues. I believe he was simply saying, as Paul also enjoined us, that if anyone should pray in tongues, he should also interpret it. If what is being said has no interpretation, then it has no meaning and I am convinced that is what gibberish is.

Personally, I do not forbid tongues. I don't preach against it either. If I am asked a direct question on it, I state my position without condemning those who practice it. But does it not worry you that you pray in a "language" that has no meaning? And you are not bothered to seek an interpretation? And why do you sound offended when you are told you are speaking gibberish then?

The last author belabored to demonstrate epic fails of those who attempted to preach in tongues. Obviously he was deriding them. Look up the word xenoglossalaria or something. Gibberish in this context means crab, useless and meaningless . Please note that your inability to understand tongues don't substract the fact that they are inspired of the Holy Spirit.

I have actually read someone counter MacArthur here saying that his earliest example was 300AD, when there were records of gifts manifestation in earlier times. I think that person has a point. But the Cessationists have a stronger point. The preservation of biblical truth through the doctrine of Sufficiency of Scriptures that teach no new revelations be accepted outside biblical truth neccesitate Cessationism. But remember that Cessationism does not abrogate all gifts. Gifts they claim has ceased are the offices of an apostle and prophets; then the gifts of miracles, healing, tongues and prophecy. This position is to safe guard biblical truths.

You are mixing issues. My point is church history is 120% against Cessationist predictions of ZERO spiritual gifts post apostolic age. The gifts persisted and the same was recorded many years after the last apostle died. The speakers who are supposed to be objective theologians are LYING that this is not the case.

Once again, cessationists are engaging in circular arguments. Here goes
1. Spiritual gifts complemented the then insufficient scriptures
2. We have sufficient scriptures
3. We don't need spiritual gifts
Premise 1 is false as evidenced by exercise of these gifts WITHOUT adding nothing to the scriptures and also zero scriptural roof of the same. Premise 2 necessitates stepping outside scriptures to prove it and is disproved by existence of the gifts outside the scripture age.

The worst assault on logic from cessationist camp is to claim that you can't embrace spiritual gifts and sufficiency of scriptures at the same time. This is a false dilemma. It is also elitist and it means either you join cessationism or you reject the 'sufficiency of the scriptures'. Let task you. I believe in present manifestation of ALL the spiritual gifts. Prove to me that I don't believe in the 'sufficiency of scriptures

The beautiful thing about the Strange Fire Conference was the central attention they returned scriptures to Christianity. Sola Scriptura! They debated their points earnestly, encouraging others to prove their points from the perspective of scriptures. And since then there have been articles, magazine editions, books, etc, centered on refuting or encouraging the Cessationists position. That is true freedom and that somewhat like what the Spirit of God will author. I have not seen anything like it in the Charismatic movement. Most times Charismatics pretend there is no problem in church; they encourage a false ecumenism; and they dislike anything critical. Charismatics understand that if they critic a person and his doctrine, others will do the same to them. And since they cannot endure such criticism, they shy sway from it. The Cessationists were rather bold and since then, 2013, all the critique of the conference has not deterred them. They have however made their point.

Strange Fire is not a rallying call to return to scriptures but a call to embracing Reformed Calvinism. They even had a session where they bashed Calvinists who are Pentecostals. It is elevation of theology and doctrine and traditions of men above the freedom of the Spirit.

MacArthur is not the first to ID the excesses of Charismatics and he is not the last. He just sensationalized. If you are hearing the excesses of Pentecostal movement from MacArthur, you are clearly unschooled

So I do not think the camps in Christianity is the problem. I think the problem is our not allowing the bible to be central enough. This is what I like about nl religion section. The bible is our constitution here and that is what must be debated until every false notion is brought to obey biblical truths.

The centrality of scripture is supreme but it MUST NEVER be confused with Calvinism

Those were apostolic times and such could be understood. Today we have a more sure Word of Prophecy that can guide us, the bible. Even if a prophetic word were to come today, it should never be placed on the same authority with the bible.

Nobody is claiming that the prophetic is of equal authority to scriptures. In fact, taken to the extreme, nothing is, no preaching is of equal authority to scriptures, no sermon is...does that mean we despise EVERYTHING except the written Word? No. We test EVERYTHING against the Word

I agree that every movement can be fraught with errors. But this is the point of the Cessationists, the errors increase to the degree to which the bible is made less central. Make the bible your sole authority, and you will have errors reduced to a minimum.

Errors don't increase because of 'decentrality' of the scriptures, they increase because of OVER-EMPHASIS of the same thing the movements are trying to correct. This leads to lack of balance. over-emphasis on Sola Scriptura reduces Christianity to an academic exercise relevant only to the very educated. Sola Sriptura pure fails to explain how words in a text change a human soul.

I couldn't access the link.

I downloaded the scribd app on my iPad and I got the book. Let me see of how I can a access the book

Looking forward to their contributions.

There are good reasons continuists have given this thread a wide berth. You probably think they are pricked in their consciences and are tongue tied. Far from it.

Cessationism is based on EXPERIENCE. Cessationists have never experienced spiritual gifts and based on their inexperience they rationalize that they don't exist. You will be hard pressed to find any commentary before 1960 linking when 'prophecies shall fail' to completion of the canon. I find it decidedly funny that they present themselves as experts in a phenomena they have never experienced.

Take the quadplegic lady who NEVER received her healing. Obviously her entire theology and worldview is centered on her failure to recieve her healing. What of people who hear the word and are least convicted of their sins? Does that make the Word of none-effect?

What is immortal

CAPTIVATOR:
Why dis lie bro ..... Man, Demons, Satan are not immortal !!!! ONLY Jesus is given " immortality" 1 tim 6:16 ONLY JESUS ! All others can be destroyed , u dont exist before God create u and he can return U to that dead non existent state.




"Turning the cities ( Sodom and Gomorah) into ashes" .... AnythIN turned to ashes is permanently destroyed ( 2pet 2:6)

Amateur skeptic,
Show me one scripture in the OT that said Jesus would turn water into wine or raise the dead or his mother was Mary

frosbel:
^^^

Junk !!!

Show me ONE scripture in the OT where anyone believed in Abraham's bosom with 2 compartments or even Adam's bosom if you wish.

Don't start another pointless rant, just show me, after all scripture should validate scripture or are you not taking the metaphor in a parable to force a meaning which is alien to the truth ?

Let's deal with this in a systematic way.

Man,Satan and demons are immortal. Eternal life is life with God, Eternal punishment is life without God. Eternal punishment will be spent in everlasting fire/Lake of fire

You are assuming that eternal life is immortality,it is not.

Look at your confusion highlighted in blue. Is God punishing Sodom TODAY? Sodom in Jude and 2 Peter is an antitype,a shadow of what is to come. Sodom destruction is as literal as Incense in Revelation 5:8

2 Peter 2:6 (KJV)
And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an [b]ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

Watchtower sheeple and other annihilation sectsare fed the Saduccees garbage that man has no conscious spirit that survives his death. On that they are fed the conditional immortality trash namely that only the righteous bodies will live forever. And finally they are taught that the wicked will be annihilated. They are confusing immortality of the spirit with eternal life.

CAPTIVATOR:

SO WHO told u the purnishment is not everlasting ........ Sodom and Gomorah will remain desolate till eternity .

What is the everlasting purniment ?? Hellfire , u miss it, for someone to be tormented forver in fabricated hell myth ( go and reasearch on hade's, sheo'l, gehenna), such a person must be granted everlasting life .... Which is a "GIFT" and not a purnishment ( Rom 6:23) !!

This text contrast everlastin life WITH everlasting purnishment [greek /kolasin/] ! Destruction , cut- off from life !

" Just a little while longer, and the wicked will be no more ..... They will VANISH like smoke" Psalm 37:7,10,20, 34

CAPTIVATOR:
God condemns the idea of a burning Nebuchadnezzar's Hell ...... Jer 7:31

You are incoherent. Do you believe that the wicked will be burnt outside Jerusalem in the valley of Hinnon where pagan sacrifices were offered?

Its clear Jesus was not tryin to contradict the scripture where God describe the dead as a person "who knows nothing" Ecc 9:5,10.

It is clear you are trying hard to be confuse yourself. The verse I just shared is not of Jesus addressing corpses and instructing them, those are fully conscious beings. Let me aks you something, will the WICKED resurrect?

In Matt 25:41-46 you quoted above ..... The parable deals with SHEEP and GOATS ( MATT 25:33) , this are representing a certain group of people !!! .... What does the everlastin fire represent ? Remember Sodom and Gomorah and some cities suffer this same purnishment of everlastin fire ! It doesnt mean fire is still burning there .. But dey are completely destroyed and cease existing , the scripture then warns "they are placed before us as a warning example" Jude 7 ... " They were reduced to ashes" Settin a pattern for d ungodly(2pet2:6

Since this is a parable full of symbols, what does the Son of Man represent? Not everything in a parable is
Secondly, is it possible that everlasting life is equally finite?

Matthew 25:46 (KJV)
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Blessings in heaven are of the SAME duration as punishment in hell

Look at Mounce Interlinear. The exact same word used for life is used for punishment.

Get off the fence and I will make time and engage you

esere826:
Uhmm,.. I think I understand you better now

Well like I told the other chap
My view on hell is neither for nor against. Though to the untrained mind it looks like I'm against
My motive is different
It leans more to simply showing that the passages that are used in support of hell have gaps
and the logic when the verses are put together is inconsistent
And yes, I lean more (not totally) towards hell not being what we,ve been taught by the church so far

Perhaps it exists, perhaps it doesn't. But mehn..... So far, there have been holes everywhere
For example, in a previous post I tried to show that the lake of fire might be everlasting for only some specific beings
It doesn't mean that is my position
But it does mean that I can easily draw this out from the arguments so far proffered
And you know what?
I can puncture this verse you've put up there within the hell concept

Very predictable these Watchtower Sheeple.
Let's look at Jude
Jude 1:7 (KJV)
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example,suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Your logic broken down
1. Sodom and Gomorrha suffered eternal/everlasting fire
2. Sodom and Gomorrha were destroyed thousands of years ago
3. Eternal/everlasting fire means anything BUT FOREVER. It means annihilation

Is this what you are saying?

CANTICLES:
Let the scripture explain itself in its usage of everlasting fire.

Sodom and Gomorrah suffer the purnishment of " evelastin fire" Jude 7 ..... IS FIRE STILL BURNING IN THOSE CITIES ?? NO ! They were destroyed forever !! .

Their experience shows that judicial purnishment of Everlasting fire refers to " everlastin destruction" 2 the 1:9

OR dont u read that many yrs after the destruction, Jesus said : ' Sodom didnt exist when he was on earth' Matt 11:23 ??

2015 is the year TB Joshua money will work for him and exonerate him for any culpability in the murder of 116 hapless souls

Image123,
I salute your patience in dealing with this amateur skeptic who has no idea what he believes in yet will not hesitate to jump into arguments.

I'd rather a cold and hard atheist to a confused ignoramus who hallucinates having Eistein IQ after reading some garbage off the internet.

He is not here to learn but to draw as much attention to himself as he can by making some absurd and ludicrous posts aimed at nothing. If you doubt this, watch him slithering back into his hole and ignoring you completely only to resurface elsewhere with another idi0tic post.

He claims that Karma is in play and the wicked will be rewarded right here on earth. DOn't confuse him further with facts nor the illogic of his rants

Image123:
It would help you if you will calm your nerves and learn instead of sorry attempts to juggle other's thinking. i did not dispute Mark 9 :48's correlation with Isaiah 66. Instead, i explained it to you but you missed the bus. Maybe i should number the staements so that you can tell me the part you are not clear with or the part where you think i'm wrong.
1. Isaiah 66 talks about the second COMING of Christ Jesus.
2. The second coming is also referred to as the millenial reign or 1000year reign of Jesus Christ on earth. This is corroborated in Revelations.
3. Those unfortunate fellows who die during the second coming(Isaiah 66 and Rev 19: 21) are going to be raised at the White throne judgement(Revelations 20:12-15).
4. They and all other sinners would be thrown into where the worms that eat them will not die, the fire that burns them will not be quenched.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
This lake of fire is the hell fire that Jesus talked about as hell fire.



i have not prevented people from reading whether by books or internet. You are the one preventing people from reading IF it does not support your position. You are the one poisoning other's minds against whatever their pastors say, calling it tradition or old fashion lies. Kinly show us any place where i have wanted to prevent believers from researching on the Internet. Of course you cannot, why, because you are a liar.
i have not described a pastor or given any opinions about who a pastor is, so don't make up any for me. Don't paint me any colour you wish, like you paint people who are not here. i am here and i will likely respond. Again, you want to teach us through the internet, but you are twisting scriptures to tell us not to listen to other teachers like our pastors. You are an hypocrite.


You were the one that naively told someone that "If he has the Spirit of Christ he will not be deceived, besides the web site is a Christian web site quoting bible scripture not books from the 6 books of Moses." You said that if someone has the Spirit of Christ, he will not be deceived. i simply called you to order. One can have the Spirit of Christ and be deceived if one is careless.


No need to re-phrase. If you read my posts, you would have seen that i later noticed that you do not believe that the devil will be tormented forever and ever. "never shalt thou be any more" in Ezekiel 28 means that he will not exist anymore in the land of life, or of the living Meanwhile in the lake where hell and death themselves are thrown, devil will be there. Death will be powerless to help his cause or put him out of his misery, and that would secondarily apply to other inhabitants of that dreadful place. When the Bible is promising no more pain, no more sorrow, of course the promise is not for the inhabitants of hell.

Except the lake of fire is SPECIFICALLY prepared for Satan and his angels. if they will be consumed, what's the point of the fire persisting beyond their annihilation into eternity?


Matthew 25:41King James Version (KJV)
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

esere826:
i would have preferred to ignore you because your post shows the attributes of a scoffer
However, I couldn't resist critiquing (not criticising) your logic here

I hear there are fiery stars in other universes and galaxies
Obviously created by god as you and I believe

But wait a minute, is their purpose to warm other creations in other planets?

Now let me also scoff
You don't need to answer me
Go ask your pastor then get back to me

When God is silent, men spew the most rabid glib

Thank you OP

Who told you lake of Fire is Daniel's fiery furnace?


Revelation has symbols and there is no clear distinction between the literal and symbolic parts
Common sense and basic logic demands that you stick to literal UNLESS compelled by overwhelming evidence

Demons have been living since they were created. That means they can live for as long as the Lord wills

You are arguing in circles
The opposite of everlasting life is not non-everlasting life

CAPTIVATOR:
Signs
Lamb of God is not a literal lamb but refers to Jesus !

Seven stars means seven angels ( Rev 1:20)
Seven Lampstand Means Seven congregations
Lake of fire means second death ( Rev 21:4, 21: !!
Lake of fire is a symbol ! Further bible proof

1) Devil a spirit creature is thrown into it, spirit creatures cant be harmed by fire - exodus 3:2, judges 13:20 !!!

2) death, which means a state of dyin ... An unconscious state ( Ecc 9:10) is thrown into it ! Death cant be tortured. Rev 20:14,21:8

3) "wild beast" and "false prophet" which are symbols were thrown into it, isnt it reasonable dat the lake of fire itself is a symbol?
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CONSIDER THIS:
Devil must live forever to be tortured forever, WHEREAS everlastin life is a gift (rom6:23) !! Haba

2) scripture foretold dat both death and the devil will be brought to Non existent,( Heb 2:14, 1cor 15:26)

Ayoku777,
you are wise

ayoku777:
This is where people always pitch their nest when they find a scripture they can't explain in simple terms. "Revelation is a symbolic book, it is a mystery, it doesn't mean exactly what it said," etc

So, to have no rest day nor night doesn't mean exactly that? To be tormented for ever and ever doesn't mean exactly that?

Maybe that we will reign with Christ doesn't mean exactly that too. Or that God liveth for ever and ever doesn't mean exactly that as well.

Since revelation is all signs and symbols, no literals.

I weep at your illogic

esere826:
I think i just accused him of being Hitler.

You happy now?

What will the fire be burning in eternity if all that's thrown there will be burned up in seconds?
Are you accusing your Creator of arson?
Wait, even arsonists have a purpose for lighting up fires. You just accused God of a meaningless exercise. But then again, may be the eternal fire looks cute

esere826:
that a fire is everlasting doesn't' necessarily mean that folks burn in it continuously
after all and so to speak, if you put paper into an everlasting fire, the paper will burn off, while the fire continues unabated

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There is a Naija prayer merchant based in Canada or US who makes a killing selling prayers to storm the gates of the next year. Aks him
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