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frosbel:
Lol, you must place a high value on your ignorance !

Put it this way, some of us refuse to be controlled by religious mumbo jumbo that makes no sense except to either the brainwashed or religiously dogmatic fanatics.

Keep believing that snakes and donkeys talk and I will continue to rip apart at the heart of your fallacious dogmas.

Expect more ground breaking stuff in the next few days/weeks.

nnenneigbo:
Maybe it was you it happened to. The way you're vouching for this so called colleague that now seems a close friend.

nnenneigbo:
This!!

Afterall In the beginning, the lady never told him, she was the childless one but that it was a friend. Childless couples, usually never give up too so was probably still receiving treatment anyway.

Books is taking this way personally. People tell white lies and I find especially when talking about miracles. See jabogje's hiv healing testimony for example.

dorox:
Please don't make it about yourself, I have never questioned if you believe your account of the story to be true, it is the lady's account I question.
Too many times i have been told some fantastic tales by people who claimed to have experienced it or seen it first hand only for their story to change from the spectacular to the not so spectacular after just a few questions.
Once again my friend, I did not and will never accuse you of making the story up, I am only saying that people when faced with problems of that nature become very emotional which makes them to over emphasize certain aspect of their story while deemphasizing other aspects of the same story.
So unless you took your time to sift through the noise in her story before accepting it as fact, I would remain skeptical about the absolute truthfulness of her story.

Joagbaje:
Selling Mesages is not thesame as merchandising the gospel . In the bible days messages of prophets were copied and sold by scribes .

Messages of people like paul were highly circulated in his time . How did peter get Paul's materials ? How did Daniel get Jeremiah books to read? They bought them .

paulGrundy:
I must say totally agree with all you said at this post except for the bolded. If you imply that real miracles are very rare, then jesus wouldn't have told his disciples that they would do greater works than him. There wouldn't have been any gifts of healing given to another as stated in the book of corithians. Since it was so rare, God wouldn't have given anyone the gift, he would have just done his thing, and then go away as he did through the prophets of old.

dorox:
Hey vooks, I mean no harm with all my doubts and questions, I was only trying to demonstrate that in the instance you gave it will be quite difficult to prove even to yourself that your prayer hard anything to do with your friends pregnancy.
People say that they have given up many times only to save enough money for one last try. So until you ask her categorically if she was still receiving treatment when she got pregnant I won't accept her expression of a moment of despair to mean so.
You say it was your prayer, why can it not be the prayer and fasting she must have been doing all those years?
Surely, a desperate person like her would ask her pastor and other close friends to pray for her as well, could it have been their prayers and not yours?
I still believe that behind your miracle is someone wearing a white coat.

BabaGnoni:
vooks and I, tend to come up with the same ideas or similar ideas at the same.

so no wonder in the beginning, we were repeatedly mistaken for each other.

vooks loves many, trusts few (i.e. obviously, you, frosbel, to some degree, currently aren't included in the trusted list) and always paddles his own canoe
He is his own man, has his own mind, a great mind for that matter and so cannot be anyones mentee

The Virgin birth is NOT a myth.

The Virgin birth is not and/or might not be a condition for salvation, it, HOWEVER, is PIVOTAL to the development of the salvation process and to the success of salvation too

frosbel, I know you are to some extent IT software literate.
Tell us, what is the implication of damaged or corrupt normal.dot file? (i.e. the default Microsoft Word template)
How do you fix it or salvage the situation, in order for you to successful create your word document?

Now the Holy Spirit tells us clearly that
in the last times some will turn away from the true faith;
they will follow deceptive spirits
and teachings that come from demons.
- 1 Timothy 4:1 NLT

It appears you're romanticizing with the devil and it's actually you taking counsel from the "pit of hell"
It's you finding the devil to be a mentor

Be careful frosbel, because when you go on the merry-go-round with the devil, you might not get the chance to get off
- the devil doesn't care about your feelings of "truth seeking" and takes no prisoners on amusement rides

nnenneigbo:
Maybe after you prayed for them, they calmed down and let nature take its full course, instead of stressing about having a baby. Stress doesn't help with conceiving I've heard.

dorox:
Do you know for a fact that she was not receiving any treatment when you prayed for her? If not, how are you sure that it was your prayer that worked? Afterall it is common knowledge that for some women it can take multiple sessions before they can conceive.

vooks:
Remove your house door for a few days. The dead negro will have nothing to knock. He'll get bored and find a new hobby or something

Bidam:
And this is where[b] folks like you seems to miss the whole point until it is supernatural and spectacular before u term it a miracle abi?[/b] show me where the holy spirit is divorced from the miraculous?

WinsomeX:
vooks, I hope you won't find it surprising that despite our disagreement on the MacArthur, the bolded is my belief too.

On that thread I was pushing the Cessationists position. But do you know that the Cessationists are also saying the bolded in a different way.

The miracles are rare because it pleases God to give them when he wants. They are not at our beck and call as these charlatans will have us believe.

My condolence to the families of the last of the Oyakhilome "healed" folks. I hope we find more people who will locate this thread and safeguard themselves.

As for the ranting of CE nl ambassador, Gombs, why is Christ Embassy again in the news for all the wrong reasons? Why does Chris have to charge worshippers for cross over night? When will the scale fall off your eyes for you to realize that Chris Oyakhilome is not a man of God but a THIEF and a ROBBER?

It's a New Year... a renewed opportunity to think.

blackjack21:
$5.

God does not need you, you need him.
So,you either pay or go away.

dorox:
How are you sure that the couple weren't receiving treatment at the time you prayed for them? Moreover, have you considered the fact that a low fertility of a couple does not rule out the possibility of them to conceive, only that it makes it more difficult?
I would be very wary of calling their conception a miracle without knowing the full facts. I also know a couple that had twins after receiving fertility treatment on the advice of my sister.
The tale they told in church on their thanks giving day was all about how pastor prayed for them and nothing about the wonderful work of modern medicine.

NEWBIN:
is it bad or sinful to learn more about things of God?

Bidam:
By saying miracles ARE rare, you are alluding to the Holy Spirit being rare in the lives of believers. It is the Holy Spirit that does the Miracles through mortal men and the glory is ascribe to God alone not to men and that is why folks like Smith wigglesworth experienced such manifestations of healing gifts in their time.

GOD'S WORD® Translation Acts 10:38
You know that God anointed Jesus from Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. Jesus went everywhere and did good things, such as healing everyone who was under the devil's power. Jesus did these things because God was with him.

NEWBIN:
GOD

It is in the bible, Matthew chapter 6

NEWBIN:
i want to learn

dorox:
Care to explain the bold?

johhnnie:
remember Myles Monroe of blessed memory?

paulGrundy:
I didn't get you.

paulGrundy:

frosbel:
Can you help me then with the following questions, and please don't start with rigmarole, stick to the point ;

1. When did these people resurrect, v52, or v53

2. Who did they appear to and how could these people even have recognised them seeing that their lives were over hundreds of years apart ?

3. Where are they today ?

4. How come this news was not even mentioned as a rumour in Any historical document to date and not even by any of the Apostles including Paul.

Thanks.

Lazarus was dead for 3 days, Jairus's daughter was dead for a few hours, all in all they were within the limits of their life span. On the contrary those who were supposedly raised to life in Matthew 27:50-53 were dead for hundreds of years , how the hell could they have died again when many of them had already died of old age etc. Please make some SENSE here.

frosbel:
Show us your evidence.

And ;

If these people did indeed rise from their tombs it means that Jesus was not the firstborn from the dead or the first to resurrect fully , since at the time these people resurrected , Jesus was dead.

Also there are no historical facts to backup this event, not even by a historian who was also a contemporary of Jesus by the name of Josephus Flavius , he did not mention this event and neither did any of the Roman historians of that age.

We need raw facts not assumptions and hearsay .

frosbel:
Let me try to answer you at a kindergarten level since that is within the realm in which you operate.

Jesus is first born from the dead because he is alive forver more, i.e death has no longer any hold on him, whereas the others were liable to die at a later date.

PastorAIO:
How do you know that they died later on? Please provide sources. Unless you are guessing or presuming based on your preconception.

PastorAIO:
I don't, although I'm aware that Catholic's claim that the vatican is built around his tomb. I can't remember the name of the cathedral built on it.
I'm also aware of a tradition that says that Mary was assumed into heaven. There are many such traditions both within orthodox christianity and outside of it.

But I don't get what you are trying to get at. Is there a point to any of this?

PastorAIO:
I don't.

PastorAIO:
How do you know that they died later on? Please provide sources. Unless you are guessing or presuming based on your preconception.