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zionmade:
My brother i will comment on ur post
Pastor Ibiyeome did nothing wrong.
Reason being dat: kemi is not a Christian and d bible only says dnt take ur brother to court. Dat means it will be wrong for pst David to do dat if d lady was a Christian.
Remember wat is happening to apostle Suleiman do u know how many souls dat must have been lost because of dat. If Kemi succeeds in diverting d pastor's attention into defending himself even though he did nothing do u know how d matter will excavate and how many souls will be lost?
Sometimes we need to shut d devil's vessel

the brother the Bible is talking about means every body not just Christians. love your neighbour as yourself, neighbour can be a Muslim, Jews etc.

jaybabs1:
I tire for all these evolution theorist, does it make sense to believe in the first place that life began from a big bang or tiny dot what not when you aren't there to witness it happened,not one among all these pro-evolution scientist witnessed the big bang. so why the senseless guess? speaking as someone who is religiously biased, I think it makes more sense to reason and deduce that our universe and all that exist therein is a very intelligently planned and organized existence and this can be corroborated by the simple points of the poster I quoted. Now, what pro-evolution theorists do not want to accept is this, this entire sequence of activities in this universe is an intelligent design and every design should have some separate existence that designed it. Either the designer is seen or unseen, the fact still remains unchangeable that there is one super intelligent and highly ordered master designer responsible for all creations and their respective sequence of existence.

in religious context, this master designer is called God, and some school of thought calls him 'the source' he conceives this natural creations, plans how they should operate and determine where they should fit and function in the other creature he made. The subject of biology and anatomy explains a lot about this. wait why is science contesting the existence of this infinite intelligence when the same infinite intelligence was the one who gave knowledge of science?

I believe in The reality and existence of a master designer and an infinite intelligence who conceived and created the entire universe. All that exist now is simply atoms and molecules under continous vibration, but he is not a vibration, He is the very one from which everything gets the energy for existence. He is real, more real that any other thing or person in existence.

simple and clear. only a dumb person would believe otherwise.
imagine a dot expanding and forming the earth and everything inside it the stars and everything. how can people even believe that

gypsey:
fine! electricity may be the handiwork of Faraday clearly, now give me one example of God's handiwork.

wow just one.
God is a master creator he created so many things at last he said to himself let me create a thing that can think for itself and he created man.

and man created so many things and thought to himself let me create a thing that can think for itself and he created computer chip.

look around you don't let anyone judge for you. all this things you see from man to animals to plants and the universe all maintaining their law, animals mating and giving birth to a being like themselves eating, sleeping and playing those this things look as though someone planned it or spring up from a dot that expanded (evolution)?

aribisala0:
That is a job for a psychiatrist not me. We all know there are 7 days in a week ,so when you come and say there are 8 and ask me to verify if I start verifying will they not admit both of us together?

what if the psychiatrist did not do his job well and misinform you? look we enjoy scientific innovations today because of investigation, so if you want the truth you must verify yourself

ExInferis:
Kindly rationally and logically disprove cosmic inflation. Don't just make offhanded statements.

Next, show me proof of your god, demons and angels. Show me evidence a supposedly higher being created this world.

Your book says your god made man in his image.

This means your god has eyes, nose, mouth, spleen and pancreas.

Sounds like your god is a mortal being who needed a mouth to eat, nose to breathe and pancreas to make insulin.

scientist said a dot expanded to form the universe are you trying to tell me they found a dot that expanded and formed solid rocks and earth?

demons are easy to find cause they operate without rules and regulations.
I have proof they exist but cannot be seen with naked eyes. for you, you have to go where they are. they can be found easily in native doctors place. if u are in Nigeria you can easily find them in any state, tell them u need charm against gun shot , this demons speak directly with this doctors and how this doctors will prepare a charm as directed by
this demons, do whatever you are told ones you use this charm they deposit trace of themselves in you like a ear phone then you begin to hear and feel their presence

God created man in his image don't mean we are exactly like him. a robot is created in the image of man but very different.

God is a spirit, so even if he has different parts he can easily move and transform more like a gaseous atom.
God said I raise my right hand so yes God look like man but not restricted by a solid flesh

God is a spirit so he command and things come forth, but man use his hand to form things, spirit command if it happens they have the measure of power if not they don't have the measure to do that

ExInferis:
Oh it's quite possible.
Probable even.
Thus i can identify your own illness.

hahahaha

gypsey:
look! That was your examples. okay, now I am sure we can trace their families or their descendants if required. Now can we trace the descendants of the the men who wrote the son called bible? Besides how do we know that Faraday ever existed? We are only going by what we were made to believe in the case of the history of the bible and chritianity and other religions

Faraday handiwork is clear for everyone to see, certainly electricity did not just came to pass by itself.
so also God's handiwork speaks for itself.
beside his spirit testify all the time

ExInferis:
You missed my nazi analogy.

Otherwise brilliant people -doctors, professors, economists, lecturers, chicken farmers - rose to be the leaders of one of the most powerful, educated. And technologically advanced countries in the world...and proceeded to plunge the world into world war 2 where over 50 million lost their lives.

The chicken farmer alone murdered over 11 million, including 6 million jews.

The medical doctor performed horrible experiments on human beings.

The little lawyer in poland massacred millions. And Frank was an ardent believer in the christian god.

Point is: mad men are not always in asylums.

from your own point you too might be a mad man?

ExInferis:
Cancer.

66% of cancer occurrence is random bad luck.

The sperm that fuses with and fertilizes an egg is random chance.

If someone made the universe, what's the point of all that space and all that junk? What's the essence of stars and meteors and comets and asteroids and nebulae and 7 other planets (pluto is no longer a planet) in this solar system?

If everything is due to intelligent design, why the vastness of space and all the junk in it strewn across billions of miles?

Awful wate of time and resources if you ask me.

No wonder your god needed to rest!

in the design of your house why do you have to leave so much space around your stuffs?

the sperm cell cannot form by mistake but the designer makes the journey so cause he don't want pregnancy all the time. nothing is effective without control

ExInferis:
Hans Frank had a law degree, had a wife and kids.

Dr. Mengele had a degree in medicine.

Josef Goebbels was well educated and had a wife and kids.

Heinrich Himmler was once a chicken farmer. Chicken farmer!

So what's your point?

you said am a lunatic, which means a mad person. and a mad person is either found in hospital or in the bush eating trash.

ExInferis:
The big bang has evidence sprewn across the cosmos.
Galaxies are expanding.
The cosmic background radiation exists.
What does religion have?

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big bang as no evidence just assumptions, religion have nothing but God left so much evidence around us

ExInferis:
Now you're meandering into the refuge of the illogical, unreasoning, deluded cults of god.

Spirits...god....bible.

These are works of fiction you cannot prove.

Scientific facts are measurable, replicable, and evident.

That the universe is expanding is fact that requires simply a powerful telescope. You may take a trip to an observatory to see for yourself.

Light from cataclysmic events in the past travel billions of miles to us, carrying the information of their origin. Everything you see before you is in the past, even when you wave your hand before your very eyes because light traveled the distance between your hand and your face. Nothing is instantaneous.

The light traveling from space to us carry information about events billions of years ago. Because we know the speed of light is a constant and we measure its spectral shift since we know the doppler effect.

Now if light traveled from billions of years ago when two supermassive blackholes collided, and we see it amd measure it here, it means the universe is far older than your biblical creationist drivel.

I will not begrudge you your beliefs, but stop propagating it as knowledge or fact. If you cannot prove gods and monsters and angels and spirits exist, then don't bandy your delusions as the only viable explanation of life.

Like i said earlier the fruits of scientific knowledge is all around you, even in the device you're using now to view this thread.

Show me the fruits of your religion beyond mental enslavement and bigotry.

the years you are talking about is imaginary.
religion has no good fruit, what we are discussing is weather life came about itself or someone did all this.
am also against religion

aribisala0:
Seriously what is the difference
you both hold on strongly to peculiar unverifiable and irrational delusions. Here you are claiming to be in contact with some deity of your imagination

unverified cause you don't believed. have you taken your time to investigate different miraculous claims personaly to know if it is true or lie?

ExInferis:
I have a pet troll and i speak with fairies.

Do you believe me?

If you do, then you're crazy than i thought.

If you don't then you're biased and bigoted.

This is your dilemma.

you will know when you see a crazy person certainly not me. I am happily married with kids, I am a top engineer in my company, I head so many other things. learn to differentiate

ExInferis:
Now you're meandering into the refuge of the illogical, unreasoning, deluded cults of god.

Spirits...god....bible.

These are works of fiction you cannot prove.

Scientific facts are measurable, replicable, and evident.

That the universe is expanding is fact that requires simply a powerful telescope. You may take a trip to an observatory to see for yourself.

Light from cataclysmic events in the past travel billions of miles to us, carrying the information of their origin. Everything you see before you is in the past, even when you wave your hand before your very eyes because light traveled the distance between your hand and your face. Nothing is instantaneous.

The light traveling from space to us carry information about events billions of years ago. Because we know the speed of light is a constant and we measure its spectral shift since we know the doppler effect.

Now if light traveled from billions of years ago when two supermassive blackholes collided, and we see it amd measure it here, it means the universe is far older than your biblical creationist drivel.

I will not begrudge you your beliefs, but stop propagating it as knowledge or fact. If you cannot prove gods and monsters and angels and spirits exist, then don't bandy your delusions as the only viable explanation of life.

Like i said earlier the fruits of scientific knowledge is all around you, even in the device you're using now to view this thread.

Show me the fruits of your religion beyond mental enslavement and bigotry.

so you believe that the universe expanded from a dot and give rise to all we see, you call that science? no that is a believe not science

aribisala0:
You CLAIM you have contact just like many other lunatics ,what is the difference?

I know that is what you will say. but clearly a lunatic is a lunatic and you can tell from his behaviour, I have children I live in abuja and many people take advice from me in fact am a big boss

aribisala0:
That is your imgination,there is no difference between you and Boko Haram

haha

ExInferis:
You lost me when you said you have one on one contact with god's spirit.

I did not lost you. you guys don't believe this and termed anyone that has had contact with the spirits delusional and unwell

aribisala0:
What a stupid question. Imagination and fantasy have no precision. They are the imaginings of weak minds

Where is the evidence fr all that twaddle presented there . Can you substantiate any of it?

what evidence do you want? I have one on one contact with the spirit this you will not believe, but look at the world closely and deeply you will know somebody made all this.
you guys that have strong minds look at your assumption that a dot expanded and give rise to the universe which gave rise to man and animals that are well organised even without prove or considering how unthinkable it sounds

aribisala0:
What a stupid question. Imagination and fantasy have no precision. They are the imaginings of weak minds

Where is the evidence fr all that twaddle presented there . Can you substantiate any of it?

what evidence do you want? I have one on one contact with the spirit this you will not believe, but look at the world closely and deeply you will know somebody made all this.

ExInferis:
I can be snarky and ask you the same question as well.

How do you know god exists? Can you prove his existence? Can you show evidence he made the things around us? What is he made of? How do u even know your god is male? Did he mention his Instruments? Did he even need one?

If the universe needed to be made, who made god?

How can you prove jesus existed when there is no contemporaneous record he did? What is heaven and where is it? What evidence is there heaven exists?

You see, none of your beliefs is provable and measurable or even observable.

Thus you fashioned out that word "faith" to explain away your needless belief system which is no different from the beliefs of all the religious cults out there.

You believe without proof. And you're forbidden from asking questions to make sense of the contradictions and paradoxes of your beliefs.
z

You're nought but a slave to your dogma.

haba, how can you see a car and say how can one prove the car was made. can't you see from creation that someone made all this, he left his spirit to testify this.

see God did not tell us how he was made but he told us through his spirit time after number that he made us.
u confuse me with brainwashed people that are told about God. I have one on one contact with God's spirit.
I was once an atheist so nothing you are telling me is new, I don't believe on pastors and nobody told me about God.

God is a spirit, it occupies space but cannot been seen but can speak and move.

God is neither male nor female this attributes are confined to this earth.

Jesus existed cause his spirit testify all the time to different people at different times.
my faith is not as blind as yours that believe a ridiculous assumption. the spirit of Jesus testify in my heart even now

heaven is above in the universe but on seen except when you exercise your spiritual part

faith is not without proof, cause it can be seen and felt.
am not a church goer cause many has mislead many

gypsey:
laughable your Operational manual comparison makes no sense, because you could Call the manufacturer and speak to him/them maybe even meet them if you wish, infact he/them are prepared to give their place of birth, his parents and ETC and they would be delighted to provide you with that information,
But we could not contact the people who wrote the bible or their descendants, are you telling me that these people has no existing families?

please how can you contact the families of Faraday and other scientists

gypsey:
laughable your Operational manual comparison makes no sense, because you could Call the manufacturer and speak to him/them maybe even meet them if you wish, infact he/them are prepared to give their place of birth, his parents and ETC and they would be delighted to provide you with that information,
But we could not contact the people who wrote the bible or their descendants, are you telling me that these people has no existing families?

and u think God cannot be contacted?

aribisala0:
This is just imagination and fantasy

imagination and fantasy about what precisely

ExInferis:
The earth is not the center of the universe. Neither is the sun. Both are just average, nondescript cosmic bodies in an average galaxy.

There are billions of suns and earth-like planets all over billions of galaxies in the known universe.

The stuff we're made of, carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, is scattered all over the cosmos. Nothing unique in that.

All the ingredients and conditions necessary for life to flourish is all over the universe.

We think we're unique and special simply because the limits of our instruments cannot peer deeper into the mysteries of the universe to show us life elsewhere.

There was once water on mars. There is water in europa, and probably life.

What mystery man finds explanations and laws for become knowledge; what he's yet to unravel or explain he ascribes to some mystical and mythical entity the origin and nature of which he can neither prove nor explain.

How is your god any different from mysteries science is yet to explain?

u have good knowledge about this things, hydrogen, oxygen etc. but how did they arise from expansion of the universe. the stars, sun earth etc how did they arise from a dot expanding?

simple man is not the greatest mystery but God. who his this being that make this big universe

ExInferis:
Millions of years later?

Who's been observing for millions of years when modern man has been around for only thousands of years?

Cosmic, geologic, anthropologic, and biological evidence, physical evidence, suggests otherwise.

But you place your beliefs in some book written by a bunch of unknowns who never even met the principal subject.

Science tells me the universe came into existence in an instant. Hubble presented the evidence.

The bible tells me some unknown, omnipotent, omniscient, everlasting "god" made the entire universe in 6 days, and paradoxically needed to rest on the 7th. Why does your god need to rest? Is he suffering from human frailty despite being omnipotent, or was that an error ascribed to him by his human inventors?

If everything needed to be made, who made your god? What is his origin story? If he's always been there, why did he wait until the last 6000 years ago to make the universe? What has he been doing since before?

Evidence of the big bang and cosmic inflation abounds if only you were to look up.

Show me one evidence your god created earth.

very funny, man has not been around much long and he already know what happened billions of years ago.
you cannot comprehend spiritual things with your logical mind. the books of the bible where written by different men for different time and different reasons

When God created us he did not give us details of how him came into existence , but he left so many evidence and sent his spirits to testify that he his the creator.

when a manufacturer produce a good he place an operational manual that tell us how to operate the product. he left out unnecessary details like that of his place of birth, his parents e.t.c

the books of the bible are just manuals you need the spirit of God to understand deep questions about life

ExInferis:
Big bang was not an explosion. It was an expansion. The universe started as an infinitesimally small point that is now rapidly ever expanding.

That is observable fact, not your abracadabraic marine spirits.

As for evolution, there is nowhere in the scientific world where it is presented as fact.

But it does make a better natrative than some fancy tale of life beginning in a garden less than 10,000 years ago.

And evolutionists believe life evolves over millions of years, not overnight. You creationists view the universe in a myopic constriction of time: god made the world in 6 days, life began 7000 years ago.

You people are not evolving, you're devolving.

through the evolution theory, you see the limits of man logical reasoning. how can you say expansion give rise to the universe. expanding from what?
the uniqueness of living things reduced to chance. more like saying a chimpanzee can make a computer by chance billions of years from now

ExInferis:
Big bang was not an explosion. It was an expansion. The universe started as an infinitesimally small point that is now rapidly ever expanding.

That is observable fact, not your abracadabraic marine spirits.

As for evolution, there is nowhere in the scientific world where it is presented as fact.

But it does make a better natrative than some fancy tale of life beginning in a garden less than 10,000 years ago.

And evolutionists believe life evolves over millions of years, not overnight. You creationists view the universe in a myopic constriction of time: god made the world in 6 days, life began 7000 years ago.

You people are not evolving, you're devolving.

it is strange how you believe that. world expansion give rise to the sun, stars and solid earth. millions of years give rise to animals and man. millions years later not even one has been found in the translational state

ExInferis:
Don't apply logical reasoning?

Why you poor hapless dogmatic soul.

Man is a creature of logic.

Evolution may be questionable but the big bang is real. Its evidence is scattered all over the cosmos. Read up on cosmic inflation.

Your very existence is draped with the fruits of science and logic.

But give me one substantial proof of the influence of religion in your life, without ethereal mumbo jumbo.

big bang is real? haba. something that explode gave rise to solid earth. what exploded and how was it formed. also about organisms transforming into another, since the man has been living on earth which animal has transformed into another ?

ifenes:
They are all illusions bro, works of our minds.

just want to know what you think that brought everything into existence

ifenes:
You can see how man creates gods. You think that type of god exist? What about I give it "Meat Eater" a god who loves eating meat, including human meat? Gods will continue to exist as long as humans see the need for one.

need for one?
how then all the things we see came into existence

MZLady39:
Well that's where I agree with you (although we believe differently in terms of religion or lack of). I'm not convinced that people are having sex with a spirit. Human beings & spirits cannot "mate".
It's moreso about imagining/dreaming about intercourse with a human being, and then experiencing the biological effects in real life (if that makes sense). I know my brethren will disagree with me though.

don't apply logical reasoning to things of the spirit.
that is how the great scientists said big bang gave rise to the universe and species transform from one form to another (evolution). up till today we are still waiting for one to happen