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realmindz:
The only way out of mental slavery is reasoning.

Now that you have spiritual delusioned understanding, kindly explain....but don't bother explaining, it's the same old tales we have been hearing, nothing new for Yahweh works in mysterious ways, and you need the holy spirit to understand

if not that you allow your human understanding to prevail in your perception of spiritual things I must admit you are a deep thinker, but am a spiritual person and I have severally tear down the forces of darkness so I know about spiritual stuff that is our differences

realmindz:
Tell me how Yahweh has given us purpose?

according to religion, he created man with an intention for man to live naked forever, unfortunately, things did not go as planned....failed mission 1

Then later, he regretted he created man (although he is all perfect, does not make mistakes and all knowing)

He destroyed man with flood (in an attempt to make a correction even though he is all perfect), which eventually did not stop the evil on earth..( It got me thinking so hard, how the wisest of all could not come up with any better option than destruction)..... failed mission 2.

Then he sent his only son to come and die in order for him to forgive mankind. And did this solve the problem of the world? NO!...there are billions of people who dont believe this Jesus, so the wisest god of all did not see this coming....failed mission 3.

Yahweh is not only a serial killer but a serial failure.

The only solutions he knows are Die!, Destroy! Sacrifice! Blood! and yet he fails

the original purpose of God will stand don't forget that, he gave the devil to prove several things, with free hand the devil succeeded in the fall of man and other things but God final purpose will stand

that is the rapture when God will not give any being permission to thwart is purpose, that is when he will make everything new and exactly the way it should be

realmindz:
You speak from the limit of your understanding.

pls u can watch a bit of animal documentary to upgrade your knowledge and stop this arrogance that earth was made for you alone.

Don't let people see this your comment, it's humiliating. You rly underestimated the animal world to a pathetic level which is unforgivable

are you trying to tell me man and animals are the same?
if not what then is the difference? if yes why the suppose apes that change to man evolution way are still yet to improve on their supposed wooden tool

realmindz:
Tell me how Yahweh has given us purpose?

according to religion, he created man with an intention for man to live naked forever, unfortunately, things did not go as planned....failed mission 1

Then later, he regretted he created man (although he is all perfect, does not make mistakes and all knowing)

He destroyed man with flood (in an attempt to make a correction even though he is all perfect), which eventually did not stop the evil on earth..( It got me thinking so hard, how the wisest of all could not come up with any better option than destruction)..... failed mission 2.

Then he sent his only son to come and die in order for him to forgive mankind. And did this solve the problem of the world? NO!...there are billions of people who dont believe this Jesus, so the wisest god of all did not see this coming....failed mission 3.

Yahweh is not only a serial killer but a serial failure.

The only solutions he knows are Die!, Destroy! Sacrifice! Blood! and yet he fails

wow! you explain spiritual things in human logical way. do you know the purpose of the flood very well.

do you know how Jesus coming saved man kind? with all this your logical view, you did not tell me why your supposed God like figure created the universe and earth precisely

realmindz:
I gave up when u said animals don't think...

smh @ the bolded, what a shame...

I attach simple reasoning and refused to be brainwashed and deluded.

You and many others are emotionally attached and that's what religion is all about. Defending what you have been told regardless of what is right

I did not say animals don't think they act on same instinct throughout each organism unlike man

no body brainwashed me, I was once an atheist. animals are not like humans they are designed differently. ever seen animals creating and modifying what they create with each passing day? what they do today is what they ever did.

realmindz:
I believe religion was all made up as a tool of control. It is evident in the uncountable contradictions as seen in the so called holy books which display an unrighteous evil god who bullies and demand worship from his creations.

The tales of the bible can be passed for moonlight tales....e.g. Noahs ark is completely nonsense and a complete Jewish myth.
People are only being attached emotionally to these books/ religion and have no facts to back them up, that's the power of indoctrination.
Religion is the biggest bullshit man has ever encountered.

However, the existence of an almighty god who created the universe may not have been defined by religion. All cultures have their different views of their gods. The whites rebranded and packaged the jewish version versus the Arabic versions. called their lands holy lands.

A true almighty god won't be bothered about being worshipped neither will he seek vengeance and death upon his enemies. ( neither will he have enemies in the first place) nor a people he call his people nor a tiny portion of land in one tiny planet in a solar system among several billions others in the galaxy among several billion galaxies in the universe he will decide to have his chosen land and chosen people.

Or why will the almighty god desire sacrifices of mere cattle he created to appease his anger. (creator of the universe)
Or destroy people he supposedly created in one tiny planet for not worshipping him.

I can go on and on but I will stop here saying for sure, if there's god, he does not have a religion.

your version of your own God will have no purpose or direction with no rules and everyone doing what he likes.

but mine has a purpose direction and reason for creating man

realmindz:
I believe religion was all made up as a tool of control. It is evident in the uncountable contradictions as seen in the so called holy books which display an unrighteous evil god who bullies and demand worship from his creations.

The tales of the bible can be passed for moonlight tales....e.g. Noahs ark is completely nonsense and a complete Jewish myth.
People are only being attached emotionally to these books/ religion and have no facts to back them up, that's the power of indoctrination.
Religion is the biggest bullshit man has ever encountered.

However, the existence of an almighty god who created the universe may not have been defined by religion. All cultures have their different views of their gods. The whites rebranded and packaged the jewish version versus the Arabic versions. called their lands holy lands.

A true almighty god won't be bothered about being worshipped neither will he seek vengeance and death upon his enemies. ( neither will he have enemies in the first place) nor a people he call his people nor a tiny portion of land in one tiny planet in a solar system among several billions others in the galaxy among several billion galaxies in the universe he will decide to have his chosen land and chosen people.

Or why will the almighty god desire sacrifices of mere cattle he created to appease his anger. (creator of the universe)
Or destroy people he supposedly created in one tiny planet for not worshipping him.

I can go on and on but I will stop here saying for sure, if there's god, he does not have a religion.

you are mixing logical thinking with the spiritual.
remember the free will part, sun, moon, stars etc are just dummies, animals don't think but men are different.
God has is own character, if I had not got contact with the holy spirit I too would remain an atheist.

free will with option, the bible says heaven is his throne the earth his foot stool, another portion says he do as he wills cause he created all things, another says will a clay say to a porter why did you form me like this or why did you destroy me and remoulding me, God through his spirit said we are like clay in his hands and ask every one to kneel with fear and kiss his feet cause he hate disobedience. you are definitely attaching human emotion in studying God.

realmindz:
So many openings in ur arguments I dont even know which to deal with first.

ok, lemme ask. So Adam eating an apple is the reason living things don't live forever

and this your god that is always getting provoked and jealous seems to be short slighted. Completey immature, going into contest with the devil he supposedly created..

behold, god the creator of the universe indeed.

the devil is a rebel, God is not contesting with him.
unfortunately God is a jealous God that no one can change. is actions cannot be contested cause he form all things.

if I may ask don't you have the right to do whatever you please with your stuff? if all your stuff where living thing don't you think the socks will be ungrateful, but only you know why you put it there

now tell me your own version of God or how the world was formed maybe it will make more sense than mine

realmindz:
God seeing him eating apple but left him to eat it so he can show up and punish him.
Your definition of God is contradicting as he seems childish, immature, a bully, boastful and proud of it.

If he's all knowing, then why does he need to hide and peep at Adam to see the choice he will make. That's contradicting.

well, I won't contend that god exists, but I can say surely that the description of god by religion, i.e bible and Koran can never be god.

Imagine a god who is ageless, created the whole universe going into contest with mere mortals who barely live up to 100 years, threatening them with fire and brimstone at the slightest provocation

you still don't understand, God is a master creator, he has created so many things and thought best to create man that has total free will.

if God had intervene when Adam was about to eat the Apple will it still be free will? he gave a command and he expect him to follow. God created the tree that cannot think for themselves, the animals that follow a particular pattern and rules and created man with free will to choose his own path

the difficulty you are having understanding this is because you are putting human sentiment into it.

man do not listen to God and still doesn't, he sent prophets and men killed them, he gave them choice to choice instead they choice the wrong one. men even denied he existed even with the works of his hands clearly evident of his powers.

man was created to live forever, but died because of disobedience. one weak point of God his that he is very jealous and his jealousy moves him to anger, God was angry when Adam obeyed the devil that did not form them and he proclaimed a curse which must stand cause none of his words go back to him. out of love he gave man so many choices to change but men rebelled the more.

he is not threatening man, he gave man just two option to choose from, life and death and showed man the dangers of choosing death but man care less.

if you were God what would you have done different if you are to create a thing with free will?
you see

man itself is finding it hard to control what they created has you can see

realmindz:
perhaps Abraham was the only righteous man on earth?
are u a descendant of Abraham the Jew?

now can we say Yahweh through Abraham has successfully restored man to himself?
why must Yahweh attempt to even restore man if he was all perfect in all his works in the 1st place?

am not a descendant of Abraham, but none descendants have already be added through Christ coming.

God gave man total free will to act, take it like a test. God created so many things, as a master creator he deem it fit to create a being that has total free will to choose, that alone have attracted many other things, like not intervening when man is making a choice hence Adam was not prevented from eating the Apple even though God was seeing him trying to eat it, it is called total free will.

God is acting as he pleased him, he his the owner of this universe, more like a man behaves when he his at his own house, he moves the furniture around, remove some, and put anything at different places according to his wish


also God reserve the right to do as he please, God is like man, a man choose to wear different clothes at different times as his heart wish

do4luv14:
you got me there, but are you religious, do you study the bible, do you believe in GOD,

ok, you said many billionairas don't pay tithe to the church, do you personally interview Dem, ofcos you don't expect dem to come and tell you that dey did, do you

do you know the Facebook owner is an open atheist, he said there is no God how then do you expect such man to pay tithe. he laughed at those that mention God. believe me there are more than many very rich people that are not Christians and don't even know what tithe means

realmindz:
If there is god, why sud he be an Israelite?? Don't u think u belittle that god.
Take a bigger picture of the universe, it's far too large for the supposed god of the universe to have a chosen tribe in one very insignificant portion of a planet which is also insignificant in the cosmos

u cannot apply your logical thought to just everything. there are things you prefer than other things, but some things you like may be an abomination to others.

God choose the isrealites because of Abraham righteousness, in those days righteousness was a thing of luxury to man. God looked at the earth and said Abraham is a man of my heart, through him I will restore man to my self again.

he promised Abraham that he will bless his seeds forever, thus the term God of isreal.

but do you know that his just one of his names, God of Abraham, God of Moses, God of Elijah etc
you over simplify the meaning of the word God of Israel

caniva:
So, tell us what kind of the differences is this?

it is because you think all is staged so it will be hard for you to differentiate.
am not saying this is real or not, but from the way you sound you think all is staged.

ApenaEde:
Dat is y I left Christianity 4 Islam.
This mumu mumu magic advert 4 Church just taya me. Every day na magic competition for churches, each trying 2 outdo d other.
Fakes

because you pay more attention to the messenger than the boss.
focus on God not man that is full with lies and deception.

caniva:
Staged and Played for the Blinds

not everything is staged, but it is important that you can tell the difference

realmindz:
I know several gods, including Yahweh, Vishnu, Olodumare, Sango, Horus, Odin, Abassi etc. which do you know?

God of isreal, from your description you certainly don't know him just ideas about him

do4luv14:
Simply put
that which you are planning to give the NGO is called DONATION
give to dem for GOD luvs a CHEERFUL giver


but, i repeat but, your TITHE. Is your insurance no playing with it,

you can still donate to the NGO and still give your tithe to the church, omo, nah double double blessing oluwa go dey shower you ooo

you tie tithe paying to blessing, what about the many billionaires that don't pay tithe to the church?

realmindz:
The psychopathic god of Israel

oh! I see the God you don't know

emmayayodeji:
I will assume that youre a christian

Earlier you said ur uncle did bullet proof charm
If this is correct that means there is a traditional "God"

And also as a christian you belive in yaweh

Muslims also belive in allah

Now we have 3verified Gods
Does that sound right to you??



Think about that

not my uncle my brother.
we have one God that created the earth and the heavens and everything in them. when man was created he immediately identify himself through his spirit in form of an Angel telling the man he created him he never ever reveal to man how he came to pass .
no other god ever in the history of life lay claim to creating man, but man in search of the creator have been mislead by their own thought or by the devil the founder of other religions.

the devil creates confusion and man ignorantly follow, just like the evolution theory, everyone knows it is highly flawed with no physical proof, but we believe any way cause man don't want to subject itself to any creator.

God had created many different things and thought best to create a being that thinks for itself hence man is different from the animals. the free will of man has been abused severally and he promise to correct everything in the last day to his original plan.

how do I know all this? God gave us his spirit, that testifies in our heart. three thoughts are in man good (God) the bad (devil) and the man itself. this spirit uses this medium to talk with us.

because we are created with free will we choose the one that speaks to our head

realmindz:
god is jealous, if you give his money to somebody else especially little children in need, he will be angry and send devourers to you..


Talk of a mentally ill god

are you talking about the God you know or the God you don't know?

emmayayodeji:
Until i see it
Sorry bro

I dont gather "them say" facts

nothing to be sorry about. we are just raising different facts.
but there are higher powers than that of man operating in this universe it is clear to see weather we believe or not.

emmayayodeji:
No i dont

Ill like to see it tho
As they say

Seeing is believing

I am from warri in the Niger Delta, I witness it a thousand times, during one of the hot wars in warri my dad took us to do this charm according to him for protection. my brother is one of the guards in our street, and as tested this severally.

if you just take a little more effort you will be able to confirm this yourself as you say seeing is believing

Immorttal:
Bro not all atheist or agnostic believe in evolution, it is highly flawed too but then again, the religious books dont have the answer too. i believe here is our learning ground to expand our consciousness, or you can term it a playground too. should i say we are Gods, once we come here our conciousness goes off until when we die we recognize who we are. i believe in reincarnation based on well scrutinised fact and occurrences, finally we might be the actual creators of the universe.

religion causes confusion, cause the founder want men to be confused and not to recognized the voice of who created them.

is it not clear that all this are the handiwork of somebody. yes man is like God cause God created him like himself, but man is not God. what about the animals fish and trees? man cannot even understand fully how they work or came into existence.

emmayayodeji:
Easy by putting on bullet proof

Bros that is physically wearing something.
I mean with your bare body, do you know people can withstand bullets with their bare body using charms?

emmayayodeji:
How is it clear?

Is it those staged miracles u watch?lol

you are not scientific in nature. science study things closely and thoroughly before they come to conclusion.
are you judging based on what you are told? or based on what you think or based on what you observed?

or maybe you are missing the staged miracles with the unstaged ones.
but seriously let's not talk of miracles, there are higher power than that of men. charms for instance can make a man's body to withstand bullets do you know this?

emmayayodeji:
Its none of my business how the universe came into excistence
There are somethings that no man can explain perfectly Scientisis can only try but that doesnt mean one "God" created it
We cant pin our ignorance on one fictional God

God is fictional? but it is clear that higher power exist than that of man

[quote author=hopefulLandlord post=55182233]as shown in the Bible? that's easy

read the creation story attributed to Yahweh in Genesis 1

read the contradictory creation story attributed to the same Yahweh in Genesis 2

I'll make it easy for you by giving you a link

http://www.leighb.com/genesis.htm

the holy bible is an insult to intellect


secondly, Yahweh came down to earth as himself to say the below words


And Jesus answered and said to them, “Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, `Be taken up and cast into the sea,’ it will happen. “And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive.” (Matthew 21:21-22)

Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven. For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst. (Matthew 18:19-20)

Amen, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it shall be done for him. Therefore I tell you, all that you ask for in prayer, believe that you will receive it and it shall be yours. (Mark 11:24-25)

And whatever you ask in my name, I will do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything of me in my name, I will do it. (John 14:13-14)

With all these passages claiming that if you have even the smallest amount of faith (Matthew 17:20 For truly, I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you.) then whatever you ask for in prayer will be granted,

a simple look at the real world shows those verses don't work

so there are obviously only a few options available for you to chose from, feel free to chose

1) the Bible is wrong, Jesus never said these things

2) the Bible is right, Jesus said these things but Jesus was wrong

3) the Bible is right, Jesus said these things but Jesus lied

4) no one who prayed for anything that actually required god's intervention had any faith

5) the Bible is just a collection of myths & fables & Yahweh, Jesus, Holy Spirit, Satan doesn't exist


These are just 2 (two) out of the many examples I have




Yahweh is fictional


a Jew can't die for the sins of a Nigerian[/quote

you thought you are reading a maths textbook explaining it based on your level of comprehension.
no offense please

emmayayodeji:
u just read my mind
Same excuse

let's see your own explanation of how the universe came into existence

hopefulLandlord:
My excuse

Yahweh does not exist, if he does he's definitely not as described in the Bible

how is he described in the Bible that make you think is not fit for the description. pls cite verses

Kingsley1000:
all churches are scam

not all

teemanbastos:
Need financial help badly.. I called on Jesus , i haven't received a reply.. I want to get born again Genuinely.. I called on Jesus i haven't received a reply.

maybe you thought you were calling your boy

Immorttal:
lmao. which trumpet keep deluding unaselfs. outgrow religion,it is for kids.

maybe evolution theory that say a dot expanded to form the universe and everything inside it or organism miraculously transforming from one form to another is for adults

though I don't support religion