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waldigit:
Of course he passing through a session a man experiences when they start thinking they can outsmart God and are not ready to pay price of humility and wait on office of Holy Spirit to reveal Christ and Gods' inward secret to them. Its not new I have been there before.

Who is this God? I can name no less than 5 Gods on this religious section, different Gods that are worshiped by different people.

There's Yahweh, Allah, Sango, You and I, and Patience Jonathan. Which one is Frosbel trying to outsmart?

asalimpo:
why not invest same amount of effort at debunking, islam, eastern religion, local african religion. Ok,if that's too much try to focus equally on islam , eckankar etc.
More atheists hav never touched d koran but for the bible,they scour it cover to cover , why d biase ? Y not try to b objective in ur attacks?

Fact is that the inclination to Christianity and the fervent attempt to pull it down is not logical.

As for santa the principle is the same. People dont exert themselves over somthing that isnt real. They warn,instruct then leave the deluded one as a fool to his ways.

I assume that you have an open mind, so I'll try to respond as honestly as possible. Most atheists, including myself, grew up in a Christian environment. This means that as a child, I was ALREADY told that Islam and other religions were false. You, no doubt, feel the EXACT same way, unless you tend to hold two contrasting ideas in your head simultaneously.


I used to insult Mohammed as a brainwashed Christian child. It came easily for me, after all, I was "covered with the blood" of another deity and he was the competition. I never insulted Jesus.

I'm only doing now, what I did to Islam in the past. But I feel the same way about ALL organized religions that have a personal, prayer answering God. There's no preference. In response to your question about the Eastern Religion and Local African religion, they do not post that many threads here as advertisement of their Gods. When they do, lemme know and I'll be on it.

Princecalm:
one thing the Jews and the Pharises failed to understand was; they have been living in darkness and someone has come to rescue them but they couldn't be carried along because of some sort traditions which they have been following ever since.

The funny thing with holy books is that they are never UPDATED. If I told you now, that I spoke to God, and he instructed me to forget about turning the other cheek, would you believe me? NO.

Jesus in the bible did the exact same thing. He showed up and decided to change the Yahweh-ordained laws of the Pharisees and Sadducees. Like I said, in predominantly Muslim countries, maybe even in Northern Nigeria, the offense is punishable by death.

Sarhamsyn:
when i started believing T.B prophecy was when he predicted Chelsea win against Bayern Munich even when dat yeeye Octopus predicts Chelsea to loose but i'on no if he truly meant viz one o... maybe he ris jus joking ni. #IssOk

Two teams play in the finals, one team always loses.

I saw a magician on YouTube predict the score of the World Cup final, with the name of scorer and exact minute of goal.

That was an impressive magical feat. Joshua's own was the cheap one.

benalvino1:
the verses is talking about some ancient nation in ancient time... it doesn't go past those times. Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, the verses of violence in the Quran are mostly open-ended, meaning that they are not restrained by the historical context of the surrounding text. They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subjective as anything else in the Quran.

The context of violent passages is more ambiguous than might be expected of a perfect book from a loving God, however this can work both ways. Most of today's Muslims exercise a personal choice to interpret their holy book's call to arms according to their own moral preconceptions about justifiable violence. Apologists cater to their preferences with tenuous arguments that gloss over historical fact and generally do not stand up to scrutiny. Still, it is important to note that the problem is not bad people, but bad ideology.

Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to abrogate or even balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed. Muhammad's own martial legacy - and that of his companions - along with the remarkable stress on violence found in the Quran have produced a trail of blood and tears across world history.

Be a decent human being, provide a citation for the work that you copied. The person you're talking to is using his own words. Use your own or provide a link to the words you copy. It's what Jesus would have done.

How are you gonna wash yer a/ss with water if you're using the restroom at Wal-Mart? The deed is almost impossible.

Water is good for washing and cleaning almost anything. But to suggest that people use water to wash their a/ss is nasty. Unless you're jumping directly in the shower with yer sh.itty hands.

Drunk bit.ch. Get off the curb!

Princecalm:
the Pharises have been finding a way to track Jesus down since he started convincing the people that he was God sent and so they tried all means possible to silence him and that was how they laid false accusation against him that he blasphemed against the God of Moses.

Jesus came with laws that were different from Jewish Law and traditions. In Saudi Arabia today, the punishment for that crime is death, preferably by decapitation.

You can't show up and tell people to turn the other cheek when Yahweh ALREADY told them that an eye should cost another eye. That's considered blasphemy and in countries that rely on a holy book for guidance, that crime is the same as TREASON.

asalimpo:
The irony is people dont over extend themselves over fantasy, which begs the question on y atheists do?

Santa isnt real, we laff over it ang go . Nobody has lobbied to erase him from christmas culture.

But atheists read everything on God - to discredit the idea.

They curse Gpd like a man would cuss his enemy.
- nobody gets so worked over an obviously fasle thing.

Thet try to ridicule God belittle Him, etc.

Who does these over somthing tht doesnt exist?

Is there a religion in which Santa Claus is worshipped as the primary deity? If not, then there's no equivocation.

The primary Gods on this forum are Yahweh and Allah.
Both of them do not exist. But adults believe that they do, and societies are being designed with that reality in mind.

I'm well within the confines of sanity to do anything I can to temper the spread of this disease of mass delusion.
If it makes you happy, I'll also behave the same way against any God known as Santa Claus too. Just point out the Santa followers and watch me ridicule them online.

Princecalm:
i never said all death are murders but in the case of Jesus he never commited a crime nor broke any law but he was killed, so what do you call that.

Wasn't he tried in a court of law? Listen, in the 50's, entering a "Whites Only" restroom was a crime. Criminal statutes vary with the time and place. Jesus may not have been guilty today, but he must have broken a law to have been dragged into court. Maybe the law prohibited people from calling themselves God or Messiah.

benalvino1:
Faith don't work with proof... the creation of earth in the bible and the God that create humans documented in the bible is what I believe... I don't use Hubble telescope to start talking crap.

This thread is not about me proving anything but about atheists who base their beliefs on backs to back up the creation of the universe with facts

I have to commend you for admitting that all you have is faith. At least you're an honest person. Probably even the first one to admit that on NL.

costandi:
If the so called incident was averted, most of you would claim that his prophecy didn't come to pass.

Another crash was averted yesterday. Same airline and country, I believe. So which one was the prophecy talking about?

That Joshua fellow is so concerned about foreign prophecies to the point where he almost lost his own life when his church building collapsed. Hahaha. Atheist in disguise. Anyone who claims to perform miracles from God is an atheist.

Princecalm:
if someone is killed then tell me what it is called.

All deaths are not murders. Some people kill in self defense. Sometimes, death serves as the ultimate punishment for a crime, as in the case of Jesus, who, it is alleged, was in violation of Roman or Jewish law.

Where is Tb Joshua? One of his prophecies may have been fulfilled again.

"I'm seeing an Asian country. [Human beings live there]. I'm seeing tragedy involving an airliner, pray to God so that this disaster may be averted."

kdfemi:
Mayb Christianity was introduced den but d pple fail to accept d religion, a lot of it happened in biblical txt

May God bless you and keep you. Away from me.

benalvino1:
what's bigger than the sun in our solar system? or you don't know what solar system is

They say ignorance is bliss and I agree. Good luck to you in life my brother. You're OK with me.

benalvino1:
the sun is the biggest in our solar system

Really? We should offer you a Rhodes Scholarship.

michaelwestern:
Dont mind them, they spend 90% of their time on nairaland in religion section arguing about a God they believe does not exist. The question is WHY?

Easy. You believe that the God is real. I'm only interested in discussing the matter now, using words, before the thing gets violent later. Boko Haram never got the chance to share their ideas, or listen to ideas, in an anonymous forum of this nature. The interaction may have saved the lives of women and lots of young children.

There will be another Muslim and Christian war, unless this God issue is addressed, believe me. How long do you think Allah and Yahweh can cohabit together peacefully without some kind of major concession from both sides?

italo:
Many of them are simply being used by satan. No human being, on his own, would spend so much of his time and life on something that doesn't exist.

Are you saying that God doesn't exist?

Bleep Yahweh, Jesus, and their brother in crime, Allah. They all have blood on their hands and should be brought in front of an imaginary court.

benalvino1:
faith is explained,
science is explained...
atheists believed time and space started at a given point... but they don't know right?
some say it is big bang which is what they belief...
but let me ask you! how can you say or proof it is not God when you say you don't know how?
not that am saying it is god for the benefit of this debate but do you have any grounds to say it is not God when you have no clue?

No. Atheists believe that personal Gods are imaginary and do not exist. That's what makes someone an atheist. Seeking to understand the origin of the universe is a personal quest, uncoupled from the belief in personal, book publishing Gods.

sapientia:
you just posted things that i know of.. No new thing there... Am a voracious reader.. I know much about *almost* every religion.. Thanks to google.. But that is different from to study them.. I dont care what myths said about who and who.. Greek gods are non existent.. Aside muslim and christianity.. Other religions have just incoherent confusing unconfirmed ridiculous fictitious stories.. Let me not digress.. Bro.. I say it one more time.. If it aint christianity (living like christ).. Am no more interested.. Thanks

A human female getting impregnated without human semen being involved is the most ridiculous story I've ever heard.

And the fact that the baby who didn't come from a human, turned out to be human, it's even more ridiculous. Can a goat impregnate a chicken and have goat babies?

Totfulguy:
Candybabe, there will be terrorist attacks in Born state (with due sympathy to those in that State ). Again, a senior citizen of Nigeria will die in 2015. If my common sense predictions come to pass, does that make me a reliable prophet? TB Joshua has perfected the art of open ended guess. And because many Nigerians have an avowed penchant to gullibility and are predisposed to believe any spec of poorly conceived explanation for any situation provided it suits their intellectual laziness, they readily swallow whatever is tossed at them as a possible explanation for their condition. Not many have paused to draw a parallel between the prophecies of the ancients and the predictions of TBJ. Whereas the prophecies of past offered specifics as to time personalities and order of events, as well as a charitable solution to impending crises, the footprint of TBJ's prophecies are after - the -fact statements that are scary enough to make his victims part with their hard earned livelihoods. Until Nigerians and all the admirers of TBJ learn to think retrospectively and pull themselves out of their mental servitude, only then will we see that TBJ'S prediction only serve to fill his pocket.

Seconded. Thank you for taking the time to write this.

Femmymata2:
I felt the bible didn't state categorically that the money judas got from betraying jesus is what he used to buy the field where he hanged himself. Judas seems to be a dishonest person who got money from evil schemes,. Hanging from a tree and falling headlong still not quite, i'm open to corrections though...

This is what the Bible says in Acts 1:

16 and said, “Brothers and sisters, the Scripture had to be fulfilled in which the Holy Spirit spoke long ago through David concerning Judas, who served as guide for those who arrested Jesus. 17 He was one of our number and shared in our ministry.”

18 (With the payment he received for his wickedness, Judas bought a field; there he fell headlong, his body burst open and all his intestines spilled out. 19 Everyone in Jerusalem heard about this, so they called that field in their language Akeldama, that is, Field of Blood.)

This is what it says in Matthew 27:

3 When Judas, who had betrayed him, saw that Jesus was condemned, he was seized with remorse and returned the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and the elders. 4 “I have sinned,” he said, “for I have betrayed innocent blood.”

“What is that to us?” they replied. “That’s your responsibility.”

5 So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself.

6 The chief priests picked up the coins and said, “It is against the law to put this into the treasury, since it is blood money.” 7 So they decided to use the money to buy the potter’s field as a burial place for foreigners. 8 That is why it has been called the Field of Blood to this day.

So who purchased the muthafkn Field of Blood?

damosky12:
My testimony of Jesus opening the eyes of a blind man through me is self evident. Infact, his sight was granted through the ministration of the word. I understand why you are all alarmed and some of you sceptical. All I pray for is for you to witness one of such supernatural occurences. Many atimes I have been graced to pray for sick folks with their healings restored. Its not strange to me. Rather, it has helped me to see more of the reality of the person of Jesus. HE is real no doubt!!

I don't believe it.

Rednation07:
The billion us it in naira or pounds

It's in kobos. The girl is probably an aspiring model, and not a very good one at that. That guy is a delivery man for Pizza Hut. He models on the side for extra cash.

Equado:
don't get!

Some atheists decided one day to say that they were divine human beings. Or that God gave them a book. Mormonism, Scientology, and The Nation of Islam were all founded that way.

Sometimes, trying to convince people that the book is not a special book can be a futile endeavor. That's how we end up with the prophets. They are in all likelihood atheists themselves, especially the miracle working ones. Any pastor claiming to perform miracles in the name of God is an atheist in disguise.

hifaif:
There is not one single prophet in the whole of Africa. There are just businessmen making merchandise of the gospel. Name them; Oyedepo, Adeboye, Signman whatever, etc. The office of a pastor has been so bastardized that everyone thinks a pastor must have all the gifts of the holy spirit. That is why every new year's day, you see gullible folks waiting to hear prophecies from these conmen. And you hear these scammers giving out predictable and safe prophesies like 'a man will die this year' 'a blind man shall recieve his sight.' WTF!!!

Can't beat them, join them. That's how the Nation of Islam was founded. A black guy woke up one day and said f>uck it. These guys are this dumb, I might as well say that I, myself, am God. Mormonism and Scientology began that way too. Atheists gave up on humanity and decided to fight madness with madness.

truthman2012:
Did you read my questions in the OP? Do and give me your answer.

It is the will of Allah. Allah doesn't have a son who can cancel his order. Maybe he will have to impregnate a human from the Caucasian race in the future and use the offspring as a means of canceling the words in the Quran, but that hasn't happened yet.

Now, you're asking yourself why would Allah do such a thing, why would he demand the death of apostates or non Muslims who don't pay Jizya? Well, I don't know. Allah ways cannot be questioned by mere human beings. Remember Jesus, as the father, ordered EXACTLY the same thing, and even WORSE in the very BIBLE. But Jesus, the father, was able to send Jesus the son, to cancel out the old order by means of a human blood sacrifice.

Allah doesn't have biological children or bipolar personalities to offer as a blood sacrifice to himself.

Does that answer your question?

truthman2012:
Jesus in the capacity as the Son of God cancelled warring.

Listen, you're welcome to take solace in this schizophrenic nonsense where Jesus the father can order the deaths of human beings, only for Jesus the son to show up later, disguised as a white man, and cancel his own order. I like people to take responsibility for their actions, without pretending to be bipolar, or tri-polar, but to each his own.

Do you know that the Nation of Islam was founded by a black man who claimed that he himself was God? I sh)it you not. That guy must have been one of the smartest black men to ever walk the face of the earth. He at least tried to wrestle the African consciousness away from the foreign deities. But he did it by doing EXACTLY what the white people and Arabs did with the Jesus and Mohammed stories. He gave them a taste of their own medicine, so to speak.

Sometimes it's better to fight silliness with even greater silliness. There's no point in telling people that the book is a regular book. Prompted by the natural fear of our inevitable demise, the conditioning is too deep seated and entrenched for mere words to make an impact. That is why we find history to be replete with great men who finally threw their hands in the air and said, "f)uck it, I'm God, or I found a new book."

In the 1800's, the Mormon guy, for example, said God gave him the recorded history of a special American people written down on shiny plates. The Nation of Islam guy said he was God himself. In the 50's, the 1950's, the Scientology guy said that he was God too and will be back in a freaking rocket ship.

What are you telling me?