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[quote author=High_Chief link=topic=873979.msg10223708#msg10223708 date=1329572798]@OP----Like someone earlier said, this plans is surely IBB's, lets see how it goes.[/quote]Whether or not this was IBB's idea, it makes perfect sense as no sensible govt would sit back and watch a separatist group flex its muscle in the full glare of the international community as MASSOB threatens to. And do you think this would be done without the support of the governors of the Eastern states? No way, I bet they actually requested for this considering the fact that they'll be the first victims of a resurgent MASSOB and an increase in separatist sentiments. All in all, its a good move and in the best interest of the nation.

^^ Bless your soul.

Onlytruth:
This move has IBB written all over it.

This move has sanity written all over it. If he's a Nigerian hero as most seem to agree why allow his burial rites to be handled by a group of clandestine disorganized separatist? IMO, this is the ultimate honour Nigeria can grant the former rebel leader. Anything less would have made a mockery of the pardon he received and the accolades from all quarters that followed his death.

By Onyebuchi Ezigbo

There are indications that the late Dim Chukwuemeka Odumegwu Ojukwu will be accorded full military honours in keeping with the tradition of the Nigerian Army.

The plan by the Army came just as the Chairman of the national committee for the burial of Dim Chukwuemeka Odumegwu Ojukwu, former Supreme Court Justice, Chukwudifu Oputa described the late Ikemba as a rare patriot who lived a life of unflinching love for his fatherland.

THISDAY learnt that the move by the military to take over Ikemba's burial has the support of the Presidency which has directed the Military High Command to take charge of the body till it is interred.

Ojukwu was a very senior military officer and the first Military Governor of Eastern Nigeria before the civil war broke out. After he was granted full pardon, Ojukwu had all his benefits restored as a retired officer.

A family source told THISDAY that with the involvement of the army, all protocols relating to the movement of the body, including the coffin, clothing and logistics is to be taken over by the military.

"The Army has assured that it would be involved in the burial of late Ojukwu and that it would accord him all the military rites due to a senior military officer of his stature," he said.

Meanwhile, as part of the burial activities for the late Igbo leader, a ceremony is being held today in Zungeru, Niger State where the Ikemba was born.

I wonder how MASSOB and other Igbo separatists would take having to watch the Nigerian Military handle the burial ceremonies of their leader and mentor. I sincerely hope this burial will pass without incident.

You guys have already made yr minds up so I doubt we'll get anywhere with this. Isnt it curious that u guys r yet to site any bible verse that backs your claims? Instead u're just drawing references from your cousins experience - shame!
I can go on and respond to yr questions to show how ridiculous they are but its obvious u're someone that doesnt know "jack" abt speaking in tongues. Your questions give u away. You sound terribly naive and I'm sori I dont have the time to put you through.

^^^Deal - At least d first part is. But if u think I'm going to waste my bundle watching some "psychic videos" online, dat one na lie o!

^^^ You're only proving how fixated you are cos you're yet to show a single area in the prediction that was vague. Point out an area in the prophecy that was vague instead of indulging in 'vague' arguments yourself.

^^^ You have a point but I personally base my argument on the KJV which happens to be the closest English rendition to the original.

^^^U're joking right? Dont tell me you quoted those scriptures without actually knowing what they meant. Pls read them over again and this time pray that God grants you understanding.

It would have been 100,000 and counting not to count the toll on our economy and the blow on investor confidence. No matter how u choose to look at it, the man deserves more credit than anything else.

^^ stop blabbing incoherently about a thing u know nothing about. Go and read your Bible, understand the topic u're trying to discuss before coming out to make claims and throw accusations. Tell me what Paul meant in 1st Corinth 14 ; 2? Explain that and prove there's a basis to continue this discussion with u.

Don't you too make a pair? Frosbel and Crossman what a tag team you guys would make!

^^ You know what? I was once a TB Joshua - sceptic just like you, but i had an open mind and was willing to discover the truth for myself. I cant tell you what to believe but from where i am, you're wallowing in ignorance and seem to be basking in it. If u are in Spain like your profile suggests i'm sure u can view youtube videos quite quickly and if data charges wont be an issue, why not take out some time and view some of his predictions on youtube so you can have enough ammunition to prove he's phoney? It isnt cool to bad mouth someone based on scanty information, you only display how ignorant you are - seriously no offense.

To the other part of your assertion and a most important one. Must everyone speak in tongues? Emphatically Yes!
I'll refer you to 1st Corinth chapt 14 vs 23
'if therefore the whole church be come together into one place and all speak with tongues and there come in those that are UNLEARNED, or UNBELIEVERS, will they not say that ye are mad'?
Putting this in context, you should recognize that this letter was written to the entire church in Corinth and from Paul's assertion above it shows that he believed everyone in church apart from the unlearned and unbelievers could speak in tongues and the only issue he had with them praying in tongues was when they chose to do so and not the act itself. In verse 22 he says
'wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe but to them that believe not , '
What sign? Speaking in tongues is an outward sign of the indwelling presence of God thru the Holy Ghost. In verse 39 of same chapter he says;
'covet to prophesy and forbid not to speak with tongues' (note he doesnt mention divers tongues)
  He clearly asks us to 'covet' ie desire to prophesy which is a gift God can give to us but when it comes to speaking in tongues, the instruction is different, ie dont forbid it or as the Living Bible puts it 'never say it is wrong to speak in tongues'. You do not have to covet it, it is yours for the taking!

@Chiteny
Yeah, I knew someone would pick on those. But u should understand that what he listed in Gal 5:22-23 isnt an exhaustive list of the fruits of the spirit Just as those he listed from verse 19-23 are not an exhaustive list of the 'workings of the flesh'. Rather his list of fruits of the spirit are those that highlight the deep contrast with the workings of the flesh listed in verses 19-23, its very important u understand that.

1st Corinth 12:1-12 . . . . . . To another the working
of miracles; to another prophecy; to another
discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of
tongues; to another the interpretation of
tongues: But all these worketh that one and the
selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man
severally as he will,
Speaking in tongues is a gift from the Holy Spirit
and He gives it to christians as He wills. So all
Christians must not speak in tongues

You dont sound like u have an open mind but i'll give u the benefit of doubt.
Now what did Paul actually mean by 'Divers kind of tongues'? For that I refer u to 1st Corinth 13:1a where he says 'though i speak with the tongues of men and angels', Please get the distinction. Tongues of men here refers to 'divers tongues' which rightly is a gift from God while tongues of Angels refers to speaking in tongues which is a fruit of the Spirit and not necessarily a gift. Paul could very well have listed 'speaking in unknown tongues' as a gift, but the distinction was well intended.

@numo86
Maybe all you need is to understand the concept of speaking in tongues. Speaking in tongues is a spiritual thing and is a communication between our spirit and God's. In 1st Corinth 13 vs 1 Paul calls it 'the tongue of Angels'. It is a communication at a spiritual level which you should have no problem understanding if you actually realize that man is a Spirit being trapped in a Mortal body.
In 1st Corinth 14 vs 2 Paul says; 'for he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men but unto God; for no man understandeth him (except those with d gift to do so) howbeit in the Spirit he speaks mysteries. Understand this; tongues isnt a language for mortal communication and thats exactly what the Apostle was alluding to in those verses you did well to quote. But isnt it indicative that in verse 18 of same chapter 14 Paul said; 'I thank my God I speak with tongues more than ye all'? And while writing to brethren in Jude 1:20 He enjoined them to 'build up on their most holy faith by praying in the holy Ghost? And finally in verse 39b he said 'forbid not to speak with tongues' so who was he referring to here? I believe its to those that think only a selected few ought to speak in tongues.

^^
U done see am?

Pastor Kun:
@wesley
Can you give scripture to support speaking in tongues is a fruit of the spirit and not a gift? Also scripture to ascertain that all christians must speaking in tongues. And please don't come here quoting what your pastor said just give us bible based facts.

1st Corinth 14:13
One quick question; Do u believe the Holy Spirit is for all belivers and should dwell in us like it did in the early xtians on the day of Pentecost? Tanx.

^^ nothing spiritual huh? so how many can u diverse tongues can u learn in a day? 1?

m.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&hl=en-GB&client=mv-google&v=vC7giIJT0pw

That's the link to the video maybe someone can post a better one.

while everybody associates this
with Zambia, lets remember that also recently
came out of a civil war and the whole Outtarra/
gbagbo thing

He specifically said the tragedy happened when they were on their way to a particular country so people like u can shut up!

However, there were
other goal opportunities throught the game that
could have changed the outcome and gervinho's
miss and Stophyra scoring the deciding penalty
were the greatest determinants on the outcome
of the game rather than drogba's miss. TB Joshua
did not predict that.

Oh pls spare me that BS will u? He said in the 25th minute an opportunity that would have handed them the cup would be wasted and it would be just BW the player and the goalkeeper! Oh, he also said the ball wld be played "over". so u were saying?

My broda, I understand in our Christian walk there are lots of things we don't know simply cos we've not been taught. Buy pls have an open mind and be willing to learn.
There's a marked difference BW speaking in tongues and speaking in DIVERSE tongues. The latter is a GIFT of the spirit while the former is a FRUit of the spirit. Having the gift of diverse tongues is different from having the gift to understand Tongues, it means u can speak different languages as need be. It manifested in one of our pstrs in a crusade in Edo state where his sermon was being interpreted to the congregation but after sometime, he started speaking directly to the people in their own dialect rendering the interpreter redundant!
It is possible to understand tongues but you have to understand its a gift we can ask from God. Like Paul said in 1st Corinth 14:14 "For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit, prayeth but my understanding is unfruitful". You DO NOT necessarily have to understand tongues.

PA1982:
You're very funny.
I'm amused you defend a fraud's prophetic ability by abusing those who see through him.

Too bad u see that as an abuse, I thot it was a rational deduction. Perhaps u've not seen the video of the prophecy that's y you're still here saying stuff like this pls try n view it. He was very well specific, mentioning the time a goal scoring opportunity that wld have handed the cup over to CIV wld be lost as well as the manner. How u manage to see a match BW a side with at least 5 very world class players and a Zambian side whose only professional player plays for a second rate SA clubside as a battle BW equals is beyond me.
There are many questions we can raise Abt TB Joshua and they might sound tenable but one of them certainly isn't the genuineness of his predictions, there, he has proven himself BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT! Any aspersions are just ignorant or malicious.

^^ No offense, but you're yet to show you've got functional brain cells.

^^^ nothing could be further from the truth. You should draw a distinction between "gift of the spirit" and "fruit of the spirit". Speaking in tongues is a FRUIT of the spirit therefor compulsory for Christians, anything less is choosing to live less than you've been called to.
In 1st Corinth 14 vs 15 Paul says "for i pray in an unknown tongue my spirit prayeth but my understanding is unfruitful" therefor understand that the interpretation of tongues is a gift of the spirit which he enjoins us to pray to have in verse 13 so we can "Exhort" the church if we choose to speak in tongues b4 it. For emphasis in verse 18 he says " I thank my God I speak in tongues more than ye all" Understand he does this when he prays alone and isn't exhorting anyone.
Further in Jude 1 vs 20 Paul urges brethren "but ye beloved, building up yourself on your most holy faith, praying in the holy Ghost." now how will a Christian that can't speak in tongues build on his most holy faith? Its good to pray in your understanding, but it is much greater to pray in the spirit.

^^^ Take it from me, you are the only one who didn't think Zambia was the underdog cos that match was tagged David vs Goliath from the beginning.

A huge hoax this. Serious enough to have made the local news who sent a camera crew to cover the entire hotel (hotel excel) lead by the hotel manager who attributed the rumour to demarketing by rivals. You had to see the crowd outside the hotel to believe it, they completely paralysed biz in the hotel today. Sick mischief.

^^^It is no joke. Though i didnt see for myself, the news is all over town and with the way d story's being peddled, i'm sure it will make the local news tonight. Heard she (or whatever it was) was set alight. I'll upload the picture as soon as i get it.

^^^ Before u start blasting all things 9ja u might want to take a second to read the actual story cos he hasn't been sentenced YET!

^^ He comes in the name of God and preaches Christ Jesus. That makes all the difference.

Producing great Men of God that are taking the Gospel to the far ends of the earth in these last days and demonstrating the character of the spirit of God such that our nation has become one of the top 5 destinations for religious tourism.

^^^ And how many of those that were predicting that decades ago foresaw the death of Gadaffi a year b4 the start of the Arab spring, The death of Michael jackson, The pushing forward of Nigerias election 3times, Nigerias last gasp qualification for the world cup and our subsequent crashing out in good detail, Nigerias failure to qualify for the Nations cup and a specific time in a match a definite goal opportunity would be flunked? Name one of them.

Enigma:
Even though I have not studied TB Joshua well enough, I can tell you the following.

That above there is not a prophecy. Anyone who follows current affairs a little could have written that word for word and even much much better (and I'm not even saying the 'calculation' is true/correct; it is more just a 'potential' for world war).

Second, notice the words "if God doesn't intervene"! That is simply an escape clause if the prediction (ok or "prophecy" fails.

Sorry, that is how I see it.

Anyone who follows world events would have predicted that a few months ago - granted, but TB Joshua made it over a year ago when it was still nice and calm. Maybe u should study the man before jumping to cast aspersions on his prophecies.