₦airaland Forum

jmoore:
South south?
You are the one displaying babablu here.

When did geopolitical zones came?

Park one side!!

Quarrel with the United nations that first used the term south south. - https://www.un.org/pl/desa/what-%E2%80%98south-south-cooperation%E2%80%99-and-why-does-it-matter

gidgiddy:
Don't you find this a bit odd? That people who speak Igbo as their language, bear Igbo names, were in a political unit with other tribes they don't even understand what they are saying without English?

These people had never and I repeat NEVER complained of being separated from their Igbo kith and kin, they were proud westerners under Awolowo, they were proud mid-westerners, they proudly shouted "up Bendel" under Bendel State. Till date they are very happy to still be political brothers with other tribes in Delta State and by extension happy to be termed South South along with other niger Delta tribes. That you guys from core Igbo states are desperately trying to force them to abandon over a century of political affiliation and cajole them into yours will certainly be met with resistance. That's why IPOB is not popular in Asaba, Ukwani, Ikwerre, and other non core Igbo speaking people.

Language had never been the main determinant of political units throughout history. There are many German speakers in Switzerland, Austria and even Belgium. That doesn't mean Germany must claim those people.

jmoore:
Identity crisis dey knock engine wey dey for brain.

Anioma is an Igbo word.

I think they should use another name and stop using the word Anioma.

No be only south south. They should be under north north.

Comprehension deficit disorder. Nobody is saying Anioma is not an Igbo word, what the Ukwuanis and Aniomas are saying is that they have never been in the same political unit with the Igbos - never, whether under colonial rule or post colonial governments. They have always been with the south south. First with the south west, and then with the mid west. So removing them from their historical political brothers and lumping them with the igbos is not welcomed.

Bahamas95:
I prefer the hindu way of cremation.

That Islamic way dey make me fear, I've heard of people that were confirmed dead but later woke up. Muslims are always in a hurry to bury the dead.........What if the person later wakes up in the grave? Double wahala for deadi body.

I don't agree with cremation. I believe burning disrupts the cycle of life, I am talking about recycling the raw materials that was used to make up the body of the dead person. Burying a body allows other living organisms - bacteria, plants, insects, worms and even scavengers to feed on compounds/ resources in the body, which are eventually used to build other human beings. Burning the body destroys these compounds.

In today’s modern era, the practice of burying someone on the same day of death—sometimes before the body is even cold —appears unreasonable. While such customs may have made practical sense during the time of Prophet Mohammed, especially given the intense desert heat that accelerated decomposition that posed public health risks then, those conditions no longer apply.

With the advent of modern refrigeration and advances in medical science, the urgency to bury a body immediately has significantly diminished. In fact, delaying burial can be medically and socially beneficial. Performing an autopsy on a newly deceased person can help determine the exact cause of death—an essential step in identifying potential outbreaks of new diseases or pandemics, which could ultimately save millions of lives.

Moreover, autopsies are a vital tool for law enforcement and justice systems. They can reveal whether a death was due to natural causes or foul play, ensuring that potential homicides are not overlooked. In short, modern technology has removed the need for hasty burials and highlights the value of post-mortem investigations for both public health and justice.

It seems Muslims are stuck in a time bubble or capsule in the 7th century AD

stagger:
The whole earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof. Go away.

Which of the Lords- Lord Jehovah, Lord Jesus, Lord Allah or Lord Shiva?

onomej4u1:
That was his wish to his family to be buried in Saudi Arabia before he died.

Why do Africans have more patriotic attachment to the lands of the colonisers/enslavers than the land of their ancestors? We seem to be the only race with that mindset. Ukrainians last wish is to be buried in Ukraine, a Syrian last wish is to be buried in his village in Syria, even a lowly salmon swims thousand of miles to die in the place of its birth. We are proud to die and be buried anywhere else but the land of our birth.

Kemetian:
The day Africans stop believing that God is a white or Arab creature who lives ‘abroad’, not in Africa, is the day Africa will be liberated.

For now, keep displaying your slavery to the world.

I honestly do not understand why he is buried in a foreign land instead of the land of his ancestors. Has he disowned his fatherland and adopted that of foreigners who enslaved his ancestors?

MIKOLOWISKA:
Why are you jumping through hoops to get visa to country you don't agree with their policies.?
How does this make sense to you
Yes you do support lgbtqia otherwise you wouldn't go there and be quiet unlike here where you can mock/rebuke and discriminate them openly

So every American citizen agree with the policies of every American administration?

That I do not support LGBTQ does not mean you mock/rebuke or discriminate against them. It simply means you don't agree or support their lifestyle. Same way I don't agree with Tinubu’s or current Nigerian policies, eg subsidy removal, floating of currency and excessive taxes. Does that mean I am no longer a good citizen?

name somewhere freer

Most of Western Europe are freer. Their government don't see opposing opinions as enemies, they don't punish citizens, non citizens and visitors or aspiring visitors for holding opposition opinions.

Ojiofor:
Governor Ojukwu of Eastern region
Governor Ejor of mid western region
Governor Kastina of Northern region
And governor of western region.
Plus Gen Gowon who was the head of state they all agreed and willingly signed the Aburi accord.

You are funny o. First, you are harping on the lie that an accord was actually signed, I challenged you to provide proof of a signed document, but you just keep repeating that an accord was signed. Repeating a lie 1000 times cannot make it true.

Secondly and most importantly, who made Ojukwu, Ejor and Kastina Governor? Were they representatives of their regions? Even the appointed military governor of the Western Region, Lieutenant Colonel Adekunle Fajuyi was not even at the conference. Maybe any yoruba man that attend the conference was deemed to be representing the whole western region.
The government of Aguiyi ironsi was a illegal government
The Government of Yakubu Gowon was an illegal government.
All appointed governors of the regions were illegal governments
They had no mandate to split the country.

If Aguiyi ironsi, Yakubu Gowon, Ojukwu and their fellow military conspirators were not power hungry, they would have returned the country to democratic rule after the failed coup or successful counter coup, instead to attempting to divide the country along their sphere of influence.

Cleanmouth:
They will say de*th to America, de*th to Israel on social media but will still go to those Countries to Hussle.
You can't try that in China. They will track and deport you without any noise.

How many Nigerians have you seen or heard chant "de*th to America, de*th to Israel" on social media. Yes, many Nigerians don't support US policies on how the treat Africans, and Israeli policies on occupied lands, that's not tantamount to wishing de*th to America and de*th to Israel.

So the US wants to control our thoughts and minds before the grant us visa? So we must support every US policy before they deemed us fit to visit their country? Maybe they would start demanding we show support for LGBQ before they grant us visa to visit the US.
Land of the free indeed.

Mind you, in this case, I don't blame the immigration officers for deporting this lady. Lying, dishonesty and deceit are cultural norms in Nigeria, we tend to lie, even when it's unnecessary. Here are some examples of cultural lies; when we are poor, we say we are rich, when we are sick, we say we are strong. We lie in Visa applications when it's is utterly unnecessary.

tiwasiaife:
If there is no succession Pakistan and Bangladesh will be in India by now.
Every country allows succession through referendum.

Not every country. It has to be permitted by the constitution, and you arre aware that the Eastern Region did not support a secession clause in our constitution.

For you information, the US constitution does not permit secession from the Union. The also fought a civil war to keep the country one.

Ojiofor:
The four regional governors was in attendance and they all signed the Aburi accord.

Please name the four regional governors in attendance, and I am yet to see a copy of any signed document.

Ojiofor:
You disagreed over Aburi accord yet you signed the documents. No be juju be that?
You went to Ghana and was laughing like a clown while Ojukwu was there for business.

Where was the document? Which document was signed and by who?

Aburi would never have worked. It was never discuss with the other 3 regions, and most importantly, T.Y.Danjuma and Murtala Mohammed vehemently opposed it.

Unenforceable agreement. Even if Fubara signs the agreement not to seek reelection, the agreement cannot be enforced in any court,except by violence or use of federal intimidation. It would be similar to the case of Jonathan, where he was said to have signed for only one term. No agreement can override his constitutional rights to seek reelection.

We should blame INEC and the judiciary for destroying Nigeria's electoral process and making people like Tinubu and Wike feel like Gods, if votes actually count and people are allowed to choose their leader, Wikes would become powerless, and Fubara would simply join another party not controlled by Wike or Tinubu, he would defeat both of them in a landslide.

naptu2:
That's not what that means. It means that all references to "governor" will apply to president and or minister. It means that the president and minister will have the power of a governor with respect to federal land.

This is basic knowledge.

Which "governor" does the minister of the FCT "refer" to?

The FCT minister is the defacto governor of Abuja and exercise all the powers of a Governor.

Now are you insinuating that the act gives a minister of power the powers to give C of Os, governors consent, give building permits and collect ground rents in states without any reference to state governments?

DomPerignon:
Lolz


What is peaceful possession?


The woman wants every trace of the now evicted squatters off her land.

The court HSS ruled that it is her land have given their verdict to evict the squatters and their belongings off her property.

Did she send Obi to build on her land ?

Peaceful possession means without violence or force. I know you have a fair understanding of the English language.

Are you aware that the legal system allows for appeal? A man sentenced to death is not Immediately killed, but given the right of appeal.

Myrepublic:
Take religion out of it,how can you be bathing with shit as an adult?

What's your pain if I decide to bath with shit? Na your shit or your body, or even your bathroom?

aswani:
They were aware of the proceedings, knowing fully well that they were wrong, they decided to, sensibly I guess, not involve themselves with the court proceedings or allow themselves to be named.

As soon as they saw the court order, which would have been posted on the building, they packed their stuff and left.

No one can force you to divulge your name, apart from the police, and as you know this is a civil matter.

And you are knew all these details because?

You said they saw a court order of possession and then decided to pack their loads and leave. Does that even make sense. Mind you the court order never specified demolition, it specifically instructed peaceful possession.

aieromon:
From your link
(2) The powers of a Governor under this Act shall, in respect of land comprised in
the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja, or any land held or vested in the Federal Government in any State, be exercisable by the President or any Minister designated by him in that behalf and references in this Act to Governor shall be construed accordingly.

Re-read again - any land held or vested in the federal government, and references to Governor shall be construed accordingly.

Meaning the FG cannot give C of Os without reference to Governors.

Myrepublic:
The thing is even disgusting sef. A man that doesn't that has elements of gayism inside of him.. How you go leave tohtoh dey fvck anunununus

I honestly don't understand religiosity folks obsession with what two consenting adults do in the secrecy of their bedrooms. Imagine obsessing on how a married couple decide to have sex - ridiculous.

aswani:
Haven't you seen the information put out by the lady?

They refused to be around to identify themselves or go to the court so quite rightly, the subpoena can be served to either The occupant or Unknown.

Once the court notice is placed on the door or even a tree on the property, that is reasonable notice. If the squatters decide to ignore it, on their head be it.

By the way, you would have noticed there was no one around to be bulldozed alongside the property which suggests they knew when the bulldozers were coming (anytime after the final possession order court judgement) and sensibly packed out and ran off by then. So no one was arrested for trespass or whatever.

You are right in your last paragraph, tribalism kills people's sense of reasoning, no wonder Peter Obi immediately carried his camera man to the scene.

What do you mean by "they refused to be around to identify themselves"? You mean you can report a case of trespass to the police, file a case in court, obtain a judgement, and execute the judgement all without interacting with the accused. Its even more absurd when you consider that we are talking about a property, with security and other workers working or residing there. No evidence of letters addressed to anybody in the property. Just evidence of subsituted service to an anonymous person or entity.

aieromon:
This is untrue Sir. The Federal Government owns land in all states of the federation. You may wish to refer to the Land Use Act or better still see the attached picture as evidence.

The land use act is actually an outdated law that needs revision to reflect Nigeria's current realities. It was created under military dictatorship when Nigeria has 19 states and Lagos was still Federal Capital. The 2004 act was simply a renaming of the land use decree to land use act. It was the same document.
The national assembly are more interested in constituency projects, salaries and allowances, appropriation budget, and lately Senator Natasha Akpoti Uduaghan than actually making laws for the progress and betterment of the country.

Now having said that, I have looked across the land use act of 2004, and no where did it give the president, minister of works or any other Federal Government official, the powers to issue Certificate of Occupany, Governors consent or any other taxes on lands situated in states outside those prescribed by the act itself - waterways, beach fronts, and lands already owned or acquired. The act equivocally stated multiple times, the powers of Governors to exercise such powers. Not one reference to any powers conferred on the FG in the whole act.
I looked at section 51 (1 and 2) as quoted in the document you posted, I did not see where it granted the minister of works such powers as stated.
Progress and development of a nation is determine by the quality, and adherence to its laws. This is where Nigeria is seriously lacking.

Here is the land use act of 2004 - https://lawsofnigeria.placng.org/view2.php?sn=228

Yadaddy:
Law makers where fast to object and push for readjustment when it concerns them. They know they earn more than N25m in a month so they pushed for it to be upscaled to N50m for individuals.

Nigerians are about the most taxed people on earth, it seems President Tinubu wants to tax Nigerians into oblivion. Its not just the officially stated taxes, but also lots of hidden taxes, and then myriads of unofficial taxes.
For example with the new N50 tax on every N10,000 digital transaction. My business pays between N2,000 to N4,000 daily. I have a friend that does POS business that pays close to N10,000 everyday. Then there is council tax, and other various local government taxes. State taxes nko, e dey. Then depending on your business and locations, there are the almighty "omonile".
Doing business in Nigeria is a herculean task.

casualobserver:
The federal govt can acquire land from anyone. Oloronlogbon bought the land from the federal govt in 2003 not 2022. Peter Obi bought the land from individuals in 2011.

Below is an example of federal govt acquisition of land for Unilag and the official gazette! If you search the official gazette archives there will be an official gazette for this land in GRA!

You are now coming back to reality to admit the obvious. It's not in within the powers of the FG to issue C of O on state lands. To show that FG acquired Unilag from the state government and gazetted such prove that assertion.

Now coming back to this case. I am aware the FG sold off most of its properties in Lagos at the onset of this democratic dispensation in 1999. So it is reasonable that she bought the Land from FG in 2003, and the sale should have been gazetted. Now, having bought it from the FG, she should have still obtained a C of O and possibly governor's consent from the Lagos State government. She should have been paying ground rent and relevant taxes to the Lagos State government since then. These are what would have made her ownership indisputable. Now, I am not aware who Peter obi or brother acquired the property from, but they seem to have been obtained a C of O from the Lagos State government and been paying relevant taxes. If Mrs Olorunlogbon had been straight forward and taken the proper legal channels, by first writing to the company or persons occupying the property and then taking them to court and serving them personally, the matter would have been resolved in court without all the hullabaloo. Now the matter is just starting in court after much damage had been done to the property. As the matter is in court, no one can make use of the property until the cases is determined, which might take years.

Let me add. Nigerians are very lax when it comes to permits, taxes and approvals. Most houses in lagos has not be regularised by the owners. They would just pay "omoniles" and start building without all the necessary permits. That's why most lands are under dispute. In Abuja its worse. This is the loop hole various FCT ministers exploit in taking landed properties from their owners and reallocating it to their friends and cronies.

casualobserver:
When Federal govt acquires a piece of Land, it is gazetted! At that point your ownership of the land must follow a trail from the federal govt! Anyone who later buys that land and their is no chain of sale that involves the federal govt sale is wasting his time. If Mrs olorunlogbon indeed bought the land from the Federal govt and has not sold it to anyone then rest assured the land belongs to her!

You are contracting yourself in the same paragraph. Federal government acquires property, from who? Who owns the land to begin with? Who does the FG acquires it from before it gazette it. If Mr Olorunlogbon bought the land from FG in 2021, who owned the land before then, the FG or Lagos State government?

DeepSight:
Dont mind that unteachable fellow. There can be nothing like Federal C of O here.

Thank my brother. Nigerians accept and defend illegality as long as it benefits them or their interests. That's why the government and those in power trample on the rights of Nigerians with impunity.

agabusta:
All these ones you are saying is story. Why do you people don't ever want to learn and relearn?? You have been provided info that FG issues C of O for FG owned properties in Lagos. After which the beneficiaries goes to State govt to get the State C of O and you are still arguing.

There are many of such properties in VI, Ikoyi and Apapa. I have seen many of those FG issued C of Os. I even have 2 of such with me but can't post it because of privacy issues.

The fact that the FG does something does not make it legal. In Nigeria states and the FG engage in lots of illegalities, and only comes to light when someone takes the FG or state to court. Gani Fawehinmi has taken FG to court on many issues and won. Ebun-Olu Adegboruwa, SAN took the Lagos State government to court over the environmental sanitation exercise which restricted freedom of movement as enshrined in our constitution, and won.

Once again, the Nigerian constitution and the Land use act of 1978, does not give FG the power over Land matters except in few exceptions. The president or ministers cannot give C of O in states, except Abuja of course. I am glad this case is coming up, and I hope this case is pursued beyond ownership of the disputed property, but resolve the issue of the legality of FG issuing C of O once and for all.

agabusta:
So you know more than the lawyer right? Even the lawyer knows the FG issues some C of O and only concerned about the date.

The lawyer never addressed the issue of C of O being issued by the FG. From my unlearned interpretation of the land use act of 1978, all land in each state is vested in the governors, who holds it in trust for the people, except a few exceptions like waterways, beach fronts and critical federal infrastructure.

aswani:
There was nothing illegal about it, she has a court order for possession of her land.

The people that illegally built on the land and ignored various court requests to turn up in court to present their case should have removed their illegal property brick by brick if they didn't want the owner to demolish it prior to doing what else she wanted with it.

Hopefully, they will show their face one day and she will be able to send the bill from the caterpillar and other machinery used to demolish their property to them for reimbursement.

Which various requests did they ignore? Did dey even address the suit to anyone? You mean the complainant did not even bother to inquire the identity of the persons allegedly squatting on her land since 2013, and the courts decided to give a judgement against unknown persons. Also the clerks of the court and the process server served notices to unknown persons. Furthermore, the police decides to arrest unknown persons for trespass.
Tribalism kills sense of reasoning.

Tareq1105:
It's only one side you read. Wait to hear from the other side. Don't be like Obi that would hear one side and move to town with one sided information.

You people are blinded by tribalism. Whether I like Obi or not is irrelevant. Demolishing a disputed property without informing or even ascertaining the identity of the other party is wrong in any sane society. The court order said possession should be peaceful, it did not say demolish or burn the property.

Profteey:
This is very simple, get his address and the next of kin details from the bank and you will know his whereabout

No bank will give a third party to an account that kind of information.

agabusta:
Stop being dishonest na. The report stated that they have governor's consent.
Governor's consent is different from C of O.

Is it possible to obtain a governor's consent without C of O?