₦airaland Forum

PrecisionFx:
Stop making daft statements. Why didn't FG shutdown tincan port n also convert the other port in Lagos to a naval base (just like they did to Onne seaport).

Why should the east need a concession Why should eastern governros be doing an exclusive job of the FG should open up the seaports n river ports in eastern Nigeria n allow dem to work. Simple.

Are you guys condemned to a life of wailings and excuses. Most of the ports in the SS was just wasting away before the FG put them to alternative use. Jonathan was in power for close to 6 years, if the SS ports were being sabotaged by the FG as you guys are propagating, why didn't Jonathan revive the ports?
You ate telling me that the governors bear no responsibility at all in the welfare of the people. So if the FG refuse to do something vital to the survival of the state, the governors should simply do nothing.

PrecisionFx:
Piracy and Militancy ....Why hasn't the piracy and Militancy in the Niger delta killed the export of 2 million barrels of crude oil daily from that same Niger delta Use ur sense.

There are 6 seaports in nigeria, And there are about 3 or 4 river ports in Nigeria namely Onitsha river port, Oguta river port in imo state, Sapele river port, Okrika river port in rivers, there's also a river port in Kogi state.

Do u still need to be cleared? Militancy my ass.

First of all crude oil vessels are super tankers and are huge compared to ordinary cargo ships. Secondly oil tankers are heavily guarded by the Nigerian navy and even armed guards on board. Finally, what will pirates steal from oil vessels? Except maybe they want to steal the whole vessel. How many oil tankers have you ever heard that has been hijacked?

Cargo vessels are another thing entirely. They are the targets of pirates, as they sometimes carry valuable goods.

Ferrying goods through the gulf of guinea would attract extra insurance costs and possible extra hazard allowance for crew.

horlique:
do you know that using Calabar or warrior is nearer to major international vessels than Lagos.. we are just practising a terrible tribalistic governance ..

Please explain. How is calabar or warri nearer to major international vessels than Lagos for vessels coming from Europe and the US?

PrecisionFx:
All ports in Nigeria are owned by the Nigerian government and they are the ones that shutdown 6 or 7 seaports in eastern Nigeria. This has absolutely nothing to do with political will, yoruba politicians never needed political will to build the Ports in Lagos

Yes all ports are owned by the Nigerian government, but they have been concessioned to private companies. This means the operation and maintenance is given to private companies. So why can't the rivers state government or the SS goverment bid for the port and partner with foreign experts to manage the ports, if only for the benefit of their region.

NkayStory:
The SE and SS regiion needs a functioning Seaport capable of ferrying very large vessels as a matter of serious urgency

Lagos seaport is not sustainable anymore.

The SS has many seaports, it's just not being utilised.

The SE cannot have a sea port simply because there are no seas in the SE. What can be built are river ports.
Building river ports to the SE is a bit complicated. You need permission from communities down the delta to dredge the river. Abacha had problems with Ijaw communities when he attempted to dredge the river to onitsha.
Furthermore, the river would need periodic maintenance, ie periodic dredging and removing of debis from the river to allow ships sail through easily. The tiny stretch of water between the ocean and Apapa ports undergoes constant dredging.
You need a long term serious maintainable plan to operate and maintain a river port deep inland.

Chinablack:
very much easy, all destined for the north will be transported via rail lines free of charge

You mean the trains would not charge for transporting the cargos from lagos to Kaduna? How will that work?

alphaNomega:
How will the goods make it to Kaduna? Teleportation?

NB: I need someone to break it down for me. I don't understand how containers are cleared at ports.

Exactly what is on my mind. How will the cargo get to Kaduna?

jumper524:
I agree with you on this, I know how difficult it is convincing you guys that's why I suggested you try visiting secondary schools in the north as it's not a difficult thing to experience here.
if you make your research you'll know am speaking the truth but I think it's better u witness it yourself..

I schooled for 2 years in the north and I never experienced any jinn or spiritual experience, in spite of numerous tales of spirits around the school.

Now answer these questions too;
Why is it that atheists do not see or get attacked by Jinns and also don't get attacked by demons and spirits?

Why is it that Muslims don't see winged white skinned angels in white robes blowing trumpets? Why don't Muslims see demons and spirits in the former our Christian brothers see it.

Why don't Christians see and get attacked by Jinns?

Ekpeitit:
For a group of people who are the 3rd biggest tribe in Nigeria to believe in and call a stupid small boy with no brain ( Kanu) their leader shows how ignorant and uneducated the Igbos are, I actually feel very sorry for them.
Keep dreaming that one day the South South will join you.
If I may ask,the South South will bring oil and sea,what will the Igbos bring ?
Maybe armed robbery.

It is beyond belief that a tribe that produced people like Okonjo Iweala, chimmama Adiche, Charles soludo, and many other world renowned professions has allowed a young man with questionable educational background, zero political experience and zero working experience to hoodwink them, just because he can shout Fulani, Afonja or Yorobbers, Zoogeria, slaves, etc on radio.

Ekpeitit:
Biafra is for Igbos,the Igbos are free to form anything and go anywhere but they should stay away from Niger Delta or else millions of useless Igbo people will be killed again.
Don't include Niger Delta in your stupid struggle.

Apart from playing the victim card, they actually loves playing the victim. When the shit hits the ceiling, it is them that would scream betrayer and sabotage to describe everyone else.

Osagyefo98:
So we have small obas and big obas.....ok ooo

They are now crowning obas in diaspora....oba of Yoruba in Liberia....

Yorubas now want to compete with igbos on installing kings in foreign lands. Since there is eze indigbo of Liberia, why should there not be Oba Yoruba of Liberia?

mysticwarrior:
we all know that the bible is a historical book, let me quickly remind you that Herod ordered the killings but Roman soldiers executed the slaughtering, pls my heart is not dark about the Jewish people because I have nothing against them, Jewish people are not as Holy as you think and I made reference on how Ethiopian Jews are treated to justify that part.

The Bible is not a history book, it is a religious book, to serve and promote a religious purpose.

You obviously need to read a proper historical book concerning the Roman empire. Roman soldiers don't take orders from local Kings, just like Nigerian soldiers don't take orders from Obas or Obis. They only take orders from their general who takes orders from Caesar. Roman soldiers were nevered ordered to kill babies anywhere in the Roman empire.

No one is arguing about the holiness of Jews or any other group of people, there is no connection whatsoever between the Holocaust and how Ethiopian Jews are treated in Israel.

wildikeman:
Africunts and their ways of life . I thought the church wqs against men marrying more than one wives..... Because of money

Polygamy is a way of life for most African societies. There are Christian denominations that permits polygamy.

mastermaestro:
Simply put, my brother. My only worry is her number in the wives' queue, not the age. All said and done, everyone should mind their business.

Gbam. Different strokes for different folks. As long as both parties are happy and it's not illegal, it is their business

SEONaijaExpert:
I think the massive acceptance of this girl's marriage to her ancestor in the name of "her decision... her choice...some girls are looking for this..." is just an outright interpretation of how hopeless many ladies

And when Bianca married Ojukwu, it probably a showcase of hunger in the Onoh family. What of when Aisha married Buhari, it probablyshowcased the hunger in Ribadu family. What of Briggitte Macron's marriage to Emmanuel. Emmanuel macron's family must have been starvingly hungry.

You guys really learn to mind your business. One man's meat is another man's poison.

mysticwarrior:
the Egyptians subjected the Jews to slavery out of fear but didn't attempt to wipe them out, the Babylonians also captured them and took them as slaves, that one is justified according to the principles of war then (spoils of war) the Romans ruled in Judea for many years and the worst they did was slaughtering Babies during the time of Jesus, [/color] Herod king of Judea felt threatened because of a prophecy that a new king has been born and ordered the killings of infants, the number of Jewish children killed as at then was not known. But the Germans obliterated 6 million Jews in Germany, Poland, Hungary and Russia , reasons for this racial extermination was as a results of Antisemitism, accumulated hatred and bitterness towards the Jews who has lived in Germany for many decades, and the German also did all these to demonstrate their claims of being racially superior.

I can't say if its the fault of the Jews or not, but the Jews too are not free from accusations, in recent times the have been reports of how Ethiopian Jews are being ill treated in Isreal .

The red quote is a lie. There is no record anywhere of Romans ordering the slaughtering of babies in Judea or any where else, except in the bible. The Romans were excellent record keepers, if such events happened, it would not have escaped them roman historians if the time.

The blue quote is highly contradictory. You said Herod ordered the killing of babies, but at the same time accuse the Romans of ordering the killings. Herod is a Jewish king. It was pilate that was the roman governor appointed by Rome.

The bold quote is a sad reflection of how dark your heart is. How is it the fault of the Jews for Hitler's hatred towards them? What is the accusations the Jews are not free from? It's like saying igbo killings and burning of their businesses and churches in the north is the fault of igbos. There was no Israel at the time Hitler was exterminating them, so how does the way the state of Israel treats Ethiopian Jews justify the evil acts of 70 years ago?

Notasyouthink:
What makes Kanu a respectable leader is his love for his people and he has sacrificed everything sacrificable for his people.

Now tell me what makes you think Kanu is the leader of a cult??

Kanu has achieved a lot for this cause.

Can you please list just one thing kanu has achieved for the Biafran cause.

It is only a cult leader that demands absolute loyalty from his followers. It is only a cult leader that issues instructions from his base and expect compliance without question, and it is only a cult leader that expects followers to kiss his feet and bow in his presence.

Frankdoz29:
no biafran tribe have tribal mark. Tribal mark in Nigeria is exclusive to Yoruba Muslim and core Hausa/Fulani north. Igbo's and real Yoruba Christians don't bear such awkward mark. Ask your self, why prominent Yoruba pastor like adeboye, oyedepo don't bear such mark?

You guys are so ignorant it's beyond belief
You are so arrogant in your ignorance, that you don't even attempt to get an education.

Tribal marks are according to not only clans and tribes but also according to circumstances. Sometimes it is given to a child as a remedy to cure certain illness, physical or spiritual. I have tribal marks, but my father did not have any. Majority of my family do not have any but a few have.
I have seen lots Igbo people with tribal marks. Igbo tribal marks are not prominent like some yoruba clans? Most of the time it is just two small slashes besides the eyes.
Tribal marks has no relationships whatsoever with Islam. It is a vestige of African traditional religion.

One again get an education, that is if hatred for yoruba Muslims and bigotry permits you.

Notasyouthink:
You're correct.. Igbos are egalitarian but not when it comes to a person or leader who have the ability to love his people more than himself. A leader that can sacrificed everything sacrificable just for the betterment of his people.
Kanu is a replacement of ojukwu in our hearts.

But I have never seen any Igbo man kneel or kiss Ojukwu's feet, and Ojukwu's was the general that lead the Biafran war.
Are you insinuating that Kanu is more than all igbos that had ever existed? Including Obis, Igwes and all political leaders?

Notasyouthink:
I should be asking you the same question how do you expect a Biafran to greet a respectable leader like Kanu??

What makes Kanu a respectable leader. He is at best the leader of a cult group.
He had achieved nothing significant except shouting Fulani, Afonja and Zoo on Radio and social media.

What is the claim to fame of Kanu?

Notasyouthink:
So you don't know that you people are being insultingly mischievous for lying and making mockery of the picture where a man prostrated for Kanu??
Igbos are a very difficult race to understand. You as a yoruba person can never understand the way Igbos behave and reason unless you're Igbo. Most Igbos found Kanu worthy of their respect and loyalty because Kanu has done and is still doing what the people that parades themselves as Igbo elites and leaders cannot do.

As you said igbos are difficult to understand collectively. It's difficult to get a consensus on any cultural practice. Before now, it was said that igbos are egalitarian and an Igbo man bows to no one, even a king. An anambra man that married my first cousin refused to wear wrapper during the traditional wedding in warri and vehemently refused to kneel down, because he said anambra prince do not wear wrapper or bow to no one. Now here on nairaland, we have igbos saying you bow and kiss the feet of a fellow man because, they found him worthy of respect.
It's confusing.

Frankdoz29:
afonja are cat face Yoruba Muslim. Afonja is worse than boko haram. Our leader Nnamdi kanu always warn about afonjas.

Explain further, what was the warnings advice your supreme leader gave concerning Afonja? That you should leave their land , like a kind of travel advisory? That you should not buy or sell to a yoruba man or you should not interact whatsoever with a Yoruba man?

How is Yoruba comparable to Boko Haram? Have Yoruba Muslims killed igbos in yoruba land or bomb igbo Christians?

About tribal marks, many tribes in Nigeria including igbos and in fact fact Africa have tribal marks. It's not restricted to Yoruba. I have Itsekiri tribal marks. It was a form of group, clan or tribal identification, especially during the civil war.

Frankdoz29:
afonja

Is Afonja supposed to be some sort of insult? I just don't understand.

You guys are reinforcing the belief that you culture shows no respect for elders.

Even Oyinbo people that is believed not to have culture of respect teach their children to respect elders.

Notasyouthink:
Even a wealthy family in afonja land can't resist buhari urine

So how do you expect a yoruba (which you like to call Afonja) child to greet a septuagenarian like Buhari?

Tell tell me how you trained your child to greet elders.

Notasyouthink:
yourobbers can't stay without licking buhari's urine

That's being insultingly mischievous. Yoruba prostrate to great elders, it's their culture. It has nothing to do with reverence. Yoruba children don't stand straight and say hi, when greeting their seniors in age. Further more, if you or you friend is planning on marrying a yoruba woman, you need to practice doing at least 30 press ups, you wi prostrate tire in front of the parents and family.

Now explain why does anybody would prostrate for kanu, even his seniors in age, when prostration is alien to igbo culture? Igbos don't even prostrate for their kings and traditional rulers.

Efewestern:
The Urhobos already had a share of being dominated by a single major Ethnic group, we won't try that mistake again (Never). The experience in the then Western region wasnt really nice (don't want to go into details), thou still better than what some suffered in other region(s).

Now if your read my previous post clearly, I said for a referendum to be conducted in any Town/Clan/City, the indigenes of that place must first of all agree to vote, you "DON'T" impose referendum on people, The questions you should be asking yourself are,

* Are these people interested in this struggle?
* Are they ready for disintegration?
* How is our relationship with this people like?

Still on the issue of referendum, let me again cite some examples using the Mid-west referendum.

When Anioma, Edo & Urhobo were leading for a separate region, The itsekiri's weren't that interested, because of the bound and relationship they had with Yoruba, it took some time before the Olu of Warri keyed into the Idea, and the only reason they accepted that was because they felt if they remain in Western Nigeria, Yoruba will and can easily adsorb them into their fold since they speak a version of the Yoruba language, So they joined the other minorities in a call for referendum so as to protect their unique identity, even after the voting, A significant amount of Itsekiris voted to remain with the Yorubas.

So in essence, without the approval of the people and their leaders you can not conduct any referendum in any place , Even if you want to penetrate into Delta state, start with Anioma, That's the highest you can go, I see no reason why an Itsekiri man will vote for a Biafran referendum or why an Urhobo/Isoko man will vote for a Biafran referendum. These particular ethnic groups have no single affinity with the struggle.

If there is need for us to fight for a new country, we are capable of doing that "Ourselves", but for now let us think for a way out of this poo our leaders brought us in.

You are talking to a human bot. He is programmed to think like " if any tribe is not interested in biafra, they should vote in a referendum " even when the people are not interested in a referendum. They will repeat that and no matter what you say will change that .

Excaperx:
I'll be listing the ethnic groups that have rejected Igbo and biafra, what are you going to do? Force them and killed the if they rejected it like igbos did during the war? I swear you guys will continue to remain like this.


1:https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sunnewsonline.com/stop-dragging-us-into-biafra-anioma-people-of-delta-tell-agitators/amp/

2:https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanguardngr.com/2017/06/urhobo-rejects-inclusion-biafra-map-warns-ipob-massob/amp/

3:https://www.google.com/amp/dailypost.ng/2017/07/29/biafra-nothing-binds-urhobo-people-igbos-together-upu-president-taiga/amp/

4:https://www.nigerianbulletin.com/threads/why-we-will-never-be-a-part-of-biafra-urhobo-elders-issue-strong-statement.240145/

5:https://www.tribuneonlineng.com/96414/

6:https://allafrica.com/stories/201709110226.html

7:https://punchng.com/were-not-biafrans-ijaw-youths-tell-kanu-others/

8:https://www.dailytrust.com.ng/n-delta-not-supporting-biafra-ijaw-leader.html

9:https://www.google.com/amp/dailypost.ng/2017/06/09/biafra-remove-delta-map-governor-okowas-aide-warns-massob-ipob/amp/

10:https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.legit.ng/amp/1109029-deltans-proud-nigerians-part-biafra-gov-okowas-aide.html

11:http://thenationonlineng.net/not-part-biafra-say-ibibio/

12:https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sunnewsonline.com/including-ibibio-in-biafra-map-an-affront-group/amp/

13:https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/213280-south-south-cant-part-biafra-former-nigerian-general.html

14:https://www.google.com/amp/dailypost.ng/2017/09/18/biafra-not-land-cross-river-govt-talks-tough-ipob-allegedly-targets-ogoja-ugep/amp/

Why you no include itsekiri. The Itsekiris have warned Kanu and IPOB people from including us in their Biafra madness, but them no gree. They just can't take their eyes off the oil.

1. https://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/06/warri-benin-invasion-biafra-never-will-itsekiri-tolerate/amp/

2. https://www.vanguardngr.com/2015/10/itsekiri-nation-disowns-calls-for-creation-of-biafra-republic/amp/

You can even see a nairaland thread where various SS leaders dissociated themselves from biafra - https://www.nairaland.com/2733473/southsouth-voices-against-biafra-agitation

But Kanu and his people are ready to die for SS to be included in their utopia.

gidgiddy:
That's why the Biafran agitators want a referendum so that everyone can choose where they want to be

You still don't get it? Who gives Igbos the right to speak for everyone

immhotep:
But PDP became "Igbo party" when Gov. Wike and Uche Secondus (both from Rivers) took over leadership

cc lzaa adaibeku t9ksy afamed yarimo sarrki deomelo

Why are you so obsessed with what others think and disregard what the subject matter himself thinks. Has Wike or Secondus ever called themselves or identify with Igbos?

In politics others can call you or your party anything - ewedu party, Muslim party, looting party, that's politics.

Nigeriabiafra80:
referendum is not force you can only vote yes or no, I know you are brainless but continue

You cannot force a referendum on a people. Let them be the one to ask for a referendum. Kanu cannot force the horse to the river and also force the horse to drink.

immhotep:
It does not matter, he became Igbo and the persecution intensified.

Meanwhile Igbo amaka.


cc lzaa adaibeku t9ksy afamed yarimo sarrki deomelo

You are now going off tangent. We are talking about how IPOB and Kanu wants to impose Biafra on all Igbos speaking people and in fact all Niger delta tribes, and you are veering off on how Jonathan was persecuted because he was perceived by others of being igbo.
Learn to focus on subject matters of discussion.