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gree-die:
PACK OF LIES

please can you give us the truth. We will be grateful for being able to take a sip from your fountain of knowledge.

*Kails*:
I'm an "outsider", I am not Nigerian nor do I know much about Nigerian history/politics
but can someone PLEASE answer this question for me...


I WANT AN UNBIASED ANSWER TOO....like seriously....

What was the real issue with Igbos wanting to have their own nation?
(Also) How did that "want" affect any of the other ethnic groups for them to be so perplexed about it?

It's a simple question.

If you are an unbais observer as you claim, then i will try to educate you.

If you want to understand Nigeria politic, then you have come to the right place, and if you want to understand Nigeria history, then Google is your best friend.

Now to your questions; there is no proof that the generality of the igbos people wanted their own nation. In fact the only people that initially opposed joining Nigeria pre-independence were the hausas, they agreed to join after being convinced by the British. There had never been a referendum, plebiscite or poll to show that the igbos want their own nation. What happened was that there were massacres of igbos in the north as a result of power struggle between the ruling elites. The highest ranked military officer of igbos extraction felt he should be the ruler but was out smarted by his inferior. He took advantage of his position of being the governor of eastern Nigeria and the prevailing charged emotional atmosphere to unilaterally declare independence, and the Nigeria state naturally opposed the declaration and thus the Nigeria civil war.

Any educated person will know that you do not form a new nation is not formed by simple declaration by one person or a few individuals, if it was so African countries would have gain independence long before they did.

Then on how others are affected, a new nation would have effects on its neighbours, so the terms and boundaries of the new nations must be negotiated to avoid future conflicts. During the Nigeria civil war, other regions and tribes were attacked and occupied by biafra without warning, no body want to substitute one colonizer with another.

I have never been a supporter of GEJ, but on this one he got it right. Appealing the ICJ judgement would have been a political and diplomatic blunder. We made the fatal blunder of submitting to the ICJ in the first case, once we did that the Destiny of bakassi left our hands.

The most important thing now is to build houses and infrastructure for the new bakassi settlements. That would reduce the tension due to the suffering of the bakassi people.

meksroland: The best suggestion so far made. We should purchase the land

why did he not make this suggestion before we went to the world court to make a fool of ourselves?

Why should Cameroon sell when they can make much more money in the long run by exploiting the oil?

Besides, where does the government hope to get the money to buy the oil rich peninsula? Is it all our 42 odd billion dollars in reserve or they would take a loan from the IMF. If Cameroon needs money desperately and decided to sell, it would be tens of billions of dollars. Remember France is also an interested party, so France would get their share also.

Clowns. Greed has seriously affected the mental state of most Nigerian politicians.
Why should Cameroon sell its well won price to Nigeria. This is the most stupid suggestion in the world, it deserves to enter Guinness book of records.
Bakassi is gone forever, if we should stupidly do anything stupid, we will incur the wrath of the international community. Not one country would support us.

This whole issue is coming up because the government have refused to spend money to resettle the bakassi people. Why can't they use the money they are getting from the 20 yr concession on the oil field to build good houses and resettle the bakassi people? No they would rather pay incompetent lawyers billions of dollars to make a fool of themselves.

I have always been against jungle or extra judiciary justice but a lot of people on this forum support it if it was carried out by higher authorities like governors but condemn it if done by ordinary people. Jungle justice turn people to animals and rob them of their humanity.
Jungle justice is a symptom of a breakdown of trust in the police and judicial system. How many of us have used extra judicial means to collect debts or money owed us instead of going through judicial process. What of police, how many people are ready to enter a police station to report a crime, when the police lack the motivation, training and logistics to investigate crime. The accuser can easily become the accused depending on who is ready to bid the highest.

So until we all change our mind set and demand for justice, equity and fairness irrespective of tribe, religion or political persuasion, we will all become a victim of jungle justice.

Myne White: 16, 17, 19, 21, 25?

http://www.mynewhitmanwrites.com/2012/10/how-old-is-too-young-to-get-married.html

Someone said - well, 19 is too young. I got married at 22, I have 3 kids and to be honest I blame my husband for so many things. No 1, I did not reach my full potential. For crying out loud I had 8As in secondary school!!!! in uni I was just ordinary and struggling. I love my kids and I love my husband, if I could turn back time, I would wait at least 4 years before marrying my hubby. To be honest my parents, grandparents, uncles and aunties asked me to wait but I refused and married with my big head. This is my story, others may have a different experience.

i do not believe there is a particular age for a lady to get married, it should depend on the objectives and aims of the lady. Different ladies are in different situations, some find love early, some have build careers and need to settle down, others are old and past child bearing age and just need companionship.

You are in fact very lucky that you found love early. If you are truly brilliant as you say, you should finish having children by age 30 and get an education, by 35 you should have gotten a degree and started a career. By 45, you should be way above your peers, socially and professionally, and you children will almost be independent. I have seen many women follow this route.

ebere1712: SO we should be scared to say the truth because you think those scum are the makers and breakers of everything? I don't blame you at all.

so were has saying your so called truth gotten you? And where is it expected to get you?

And yes those "scums" together with China control the UN and thus control everything in the world. You cannot succeed in anything without their support, especially the US. I thought you should know that.

gree-die:
well, u should go and read the UN guidelines.... Before a. Group can be supplied wit arms, it has to be a sovreign, with it's own currency, anthem and do I say democrats? Nigeria was waging war against d igbos, ojukwu had to formally secede inother to get arms...

U see, totally against war, because I know that there are other diplomatic ways to break free. All the igbos need is to apply wit and this is why none of the
powerful igbos are supporting biafran war strategy. This freedom will come, it's just a matter of time

then caution you people to stop stroking hatred and threatening war and use diplomatic means to achieve their aims, if that is what the generality of the igbos want. Being confrontational and blaming the US, Britain, Russia and France for their failure would jeopardize their case, as these are the countries that can make Biafra happen.

I honestly do not know what the biafrans want, are they only sulking and expecting pity 40 yrs after the war? Or they are threatening revenge and thus nigerian civil war part 2? Because part two would be worse than part 1. The same disadvantages against biafra in 67 are still available today. All the FG has to do to starve biafra once again is to effect a land blockade of biafra and comeroon will once again shut its borders. As we all know biafra is landlocked. Nigeria can also change currencies once again and all naira held by biafrans would be useless.

These noise making biafrans would be surprised to know how many igbos that do not support biafra. I do not know any prominent igbo politician that support biafra, nor any prominent igbo business man. Even my in-law who fought on the biafran side and claimed to be one of the last to see Ojukwu before he fled is not ready to abandon his numerous properties in lagos and go and fight for biafra. Even the so called MASSOB, how much support do they get from the prominent igbo leaders?

I have a feeling those stroking the embers of hatred are a small minority of igbos who are looking for somebody or anything to blame their frustrations on.

Imagine someone saying a part of a sovereign state can secceed by just a declearation and arming itself. That is the most stupid thing i have heard. They should tell me where such had ever happpened in the history of the world. Even isreal had to get a UN resolution before declaring a sovereign state. If it was that easy Palestine would long have been a sovereign state.

Since a lady must confirm the pay cheque and bank account of a potential suitor before agreeing to a marriage proposal, what of the man? Should he too not confirm the job status or family wealth of the lady? Since the overiding interest is material, should not the guy avoid a lady who together with her family would be a burden?

From my personal experience, the happiest most successful marriages is when both partners start from zero and struggle their way up together.

ilugunboy: For your personal knowledge... Governor Fashola is a thorough bred Lagosian with generational tree way back in time as Lagosian. His parents grand parents were born and raised here.

please furnish us with a little bit of information on Fashola's roots. There are too many rumours flying around with no source of accurate info. If his parents grand parents were born in lagos, it means the fashola roots go back up to a hundred years in lagos.
Where is their family house?

alj harem: oh I see your point and it is strong too. One thing you must realise is that Nigeria is a young country. I support your views as well not cuz my father is from ogun but my family name is an original Lagos name. If I as a Yoruba man support your views then you should know that a lot of Yoruba support such views. Now this law is not to discriminate if not I consider myself as being discriminated against too cuz we are in the same shoes.

The reason for my support is due to the increase crime rate in Nigeria. We as lagosians need to be critical and hold our own if the fg is not helping us. The fg has abandon all territories apart from abuja thus we need to protect ourselves regardless of ethnicity.

Was it not last week an unknown police man shot a newly wedded igboman. It was Yorubas including me real life that fought for justice cuz I have the fear of Allah/God. Internet is completely different from real life. We all mix well in Lagos, please lets maintain it

compulsory registration of cars with lagos plate number would not help the situation, what would help the problem is accurate data bank especially national data bank, trained and effective police with forensic training - maybe state and local community police included and good examples from leaders who the general population copies from.

If i have to change my plate number every time i change residences, it would further complicate the security problem, as i could be in possession of multiple plate numbers for the same car and use them alternatively in different states.

alj harem: oh I see your point and it is strong too. One thing you must realise is that Nigeria is a young country. I support your views as well not cuz my father is from ogun but my family name is an original Lagos name. If I as a Yoruba man support your views then you should know that a lot of Yoruba support such views. Now this law is not to discriminate if not I consider myself as being discriminated against too cuz we are in the same shoes.

The reason for my support is due to the increase crime rate in Nigeria. We as lagosians need to be critical and hold our own if the fg is not helping us. The fg has abandon all territories apart from abuja thus we need to protect ourselves regardless of ethnicity.

Was it not last week an unknown police man shot a newly wedded igboman. It was Yorubas including me real life that fought for justice cuz I have the fear of Allah/God. Internet is completely different from real life. We all mix well in Lagos, please lets maintain it

compulsory registration of cars with lagos plate number would not help the situation, what would help the problem is accurate data bank especially national data bank, trained and effective police with forensic training - maybe state and local community police included and good examples from leaders who the general population copies from.

ilugunboy: You may hate a law...but NEVER run foul of the law or else you will face the music. If you so hate the law that you can't obey the law, then in your own interest you have the option of leaving the state for a more favorable place.

The answer to the bold part is simple; the plate number doesn't come with any gprs, however once you fixed that plate number to a vehicle, the ownership of such vehicle can easily be verified from the central data base of the state registry....If you get the owner...you will locate the vehicle.

So what in effect you are saying is that the feeling and the opinions of the people you are making law for does not matter. And they have no choice whatsover in how they are governed. You AC people are making GEJ look like a saint because of the way he suspended the N5000 note soley due to public opinion.

If this is the mindset of AC, i doubt you will win many elections in the future - fairly that is.

If other state start making unconstitutional discriminatory laws and telling you to live with it or get out, i hope you will not shout.

Please re-read my question concerning how a lagos plate numbered car can be tracked while those registered in other states cannot, and answer appropriately.

alj harem: now you are talking. You see before you condemn a law passed by those in authority you need to give reasons. I said what I said out of anger. Those that don't like the law should give genuine reasons. We all are in the same shoes but I sea the positive side to it.

Thanks my brother.

Appriciated. You should know that Nigeria is still a disunited country, with various tribes suspicious and antagonistic of each other. That is why further laws aggravating the situation further needs to be discouraged. That is why issues like sharia law that discriminates agains non indigines is to be condemned.

We are yet to resolve the indigine problem because a Yoruba man born in lagos becomes a lagos indigine, but a hausa or igbo man whose father was born in lagos cannot claim indigene. Even Ifashola is not native to lagos. So most probably the governors parents were not born in lagos

we really need to define who an indigene is. That is why you cannot use the US as an example, there are defined indigene and nationalization laws.

alj harem: my brother you are just hyper ventilating. If you read my post well, I never claim to have more right than you. You are a Nigerian lagosian and so am I. Now what I am saying is if you hate the laws in Lagos or any other state, please by all means leave the state. It is not bigotry but peaceful negotiation. This law is to make your children and relatives saver.
Think of it, you son enters a bus not registered. 10pm necks and your son is still not home. What do you do ? Cuz you cannot blame fashola or the police for your stupidity and carelessness

Now picture this, your son enters a registered bus and we can track where he is even if he is not home.

Which do you prefer ? Please by all means if you hate taxes, tolls, security and laws then go to YOUR STATE OF ORIGIN. Bleep YOUR OIL FUVK YOUR ANGER CUZ YOUR OIL IS WORTHLESS TO ME IF I AM KIDNAPPED OR CANNOT LIVE IN PEACE. CHINA DOES NOT HAVE OIL BUT THEY ARE BETTER THAN NIGERIA. SO WHAT USE IS YOUR OIL IN THE WORLD OR LOCAL SCALE ?

If as a Nigerian Lagosian that is in love with this law, what of the other Nigerian Lagosians that hate the law? They should migrate to other state too? Please explain how registration of a bus with a lagos plate number make the bus safer than if the bus was registered in another state. Does the lagos plate number come with a gps tracker?

Outside revenue generation, i do not see the benefit of this law. How does the fact that a car is registered in another state make it impossible to enter such car in a lagos state data base, especially if the car is registered with lagos to operate as a commercial vehicle. You should see the tons of papers necessary to operate as a commercial vehicle in lagos. To make the matter more absurd, car plates registration and allocation is still under the purview of FRSC, and unless the constitution vests that responsibility with states, Fashola is just engaging in a hypothetical academic exercise.

Cars in lagos renew their licence yearly, wether the plate number was registered in lagos or not, why not lagos state work with FRSC, to capture all cars renewing vehicle particulars in lagos. They could alternatively work with insurance companies to capure all cars insured in lagos.
Governing requires more brains than brawl

Outside revenue generation, i do not see the benefit of this law. How does the fact that a car is registered in another state make it impossible to enter such car in a lagos state data base, especially if the car is registered with lagos to operate as a commercial vehicle. You should see the tons of papers necessary to operate as a commercial vehicle in lagos. To make the matter more absurd, car plates registration and allocation is still under the perview of FRSC, and unless the constitution vests that responsibility with states, Fashola is just engaging in a hypothetical academic exercise.

What pains me with nigerians is that most people lose touch with reality once they change status. They immediately suffer from the "if they can't eat bread, why not eat cake syndrome". That is why someone that walked shoeless to school does not understand why students would protest petrol increase to N150 per litre.

Believe me there are no hard fast rules to becoming a millionaire. It is not necessarily how hardworking you are, not how much money you start with, not even how brilliant or skillful you are. Even the so called closeness to God is not a guarantee for success. Now check the list of the top 10 business men in the world, then check also the top 10richest men businessmen in Nigeria(not government workers or people fronting for government workers), you will see that those 5 criteria do not necessarily apply.

yes to be a successful businessman requires skill but not any skill, the acquired skill must be relevant to your environment. Most courses and skills taught in our institutions are irrelevant to the Nigerian environment. That is why most graduates are unemployable without retraining.

About savings, businesses are not started with savings. Start up capital is mainly sourced from banks and family members and friends. It is after you are able to start up a business, stabilize the business and start posting profit, that you can talk of saving. It is the high interest rate of close to 20% that makes starting a business difficult in Nigeria while in Japan the interest rate is less than 5%. Also do not forget the multiple tax regime in Nigeria, or you did not put tax into consideration?

The most important thing in business is ideas, innovation, education, hard work, sound money management, leverage, finance and the X factor. The X factor can be called luck and it does not depend on what religion or God you worship.

legalwealth: E ti mo esi oro ju.

ejo translate si oyinbo, mi o gbo yoruba o.

inspire101: 1). Have a skill: I see most people moving about with Bsc without any skill….Some even go cap it with Msc from Uk or wherever but Unfortunately, they were not taught that employers don’t pay u 4a certificate….they pay u 4d value u can add to an organization! Now, let me ask you sincerely…Do you go to the market to buy what you don’t need? If you were the employer, would you employ a “valueless” staff?

2). Create a product/service: Create a product or service and charge a fair rate….even if you will still go look for a job. Make sure you carry a solution to someone’s problem (could be a potential employer or end-user). Exchanging your time for money is a short term strategy…Don’t ever rely on that as your income. Your skill is the only thing that would guarantee a continuous flow of income.

3). Save as if your life depends on it: Listen my friend, to arrive too soon is to arrive too small. Don’t be moved by the pressure to look like the Jokes and the dejis. Live within your means. Paying bills without paying yourself is the number 1 secret to financial suicide. There will always be a reason not to save…so do Save, save and save at every opportunity you have.

4). Invest Wisely: A fool and his money would soon part ways. Avoid funny schemes. Run away from “Get rich quick programs”. High yield investment programs come with high yield of loss and disaster. Your race is a marathon and not an 100meters dash. Seek to understand the dynamics of investment before getting involved.

5). Know God: Understand that there is an infinite intelligence that oversees the affairs of the Universe. That you and I have his spirit within us and we can achieve a lot more that we are achieving if there is an alignment with this source. That he that dwells on our inside has no religion or skin color. That he hears our deepest thoughts and aspirations. Share your thoughts with him, whatever you conceive him to be and I am sure he will strengthen your desires.


There are a lot more but these are the basic principles I set in motion about 6years ago.I am 30years old now and I can tell you that i have achieved many of my financial goals.

Are there people here who have tested similar principles and would like to share or add to these ones…kindly go ahead.

stay inspired.

Nigerians love motivational speeches, that is why MOGs make so much money with only motivational/inspirational speeches.
A critical analysis of the OP shows he his a motivational speaker marketing some money making program online.

Now let me analyze his points one by one.
1. You talk about having a skill but you did not talk about acquiring that skill. With our dilapidated and disfunctional educational system, how do you go acquiring a skill. As you pointed put even an MSC golfer is without skill.

2. Create a product? Really? What kind of product physical or digital products? Because in terms of physical products, you cannot compete with cheap imports, not with the high cost of production in Nigeria. When more established companies see closing down and moving their production overseas, you are talking about some small start up Guy producing. In terms of digital products it is possible to produce but you will have to contend with poor infrastructure like poor internet services, poor electricity and difficult online banking procedures.
3. Save? Now that is a joke in Nigeria. Do you know the cost of living in Nigeria? Staple foods like garri, beans, rice, bread have hit the ceiling, transport costs, house rents, school fees, medical expenses, etc have skyrocketed. PHCN bills are put of this world. Even the cost of pure water is high. Most people including the so called big me driving jeeps are unable to meet up with essential expenses and you are talking about saving. Maybe your parents are still taking care of your expenses.
Even if one is somehow able to save, the inflation rate of close to 12% yearly would wipe put your projected savings.

Invest wisely? That is too general. Invest in what, how much is required and how does one source the funds.

So you should understand the perculiarities of the nigerian economic system, you will not find it in any economic or motivational text book. Most successful business and businessmen in Nigeria rely on government.

My own 5 guaranteed tip for becoming a multimillionaire in Nigeria.
1. Contest for a political office in Nigeria and make sure you win by hook or crook, even if it is a local government chairman or councellor. You are sure to become a multimillionaire within one month.

2. Lobby and be appointed into any political office, even if it is a special advicer to a special addiver to a commissioner. You are guaranteed a millionaire very fast.

3. Lobby to be a front for a political office holder, help launder stolen wealth abroad or within Nigeria and you collect between 20 - 30% of the money.

4. Lobby for a member of the subsidy cartel. With this one you are guaranteed a multi billionaire status.

5. Lobby and be appointed a member of a committee, task force or panel to look into any matter or to probe the work of another committee, task force or panel.

Afican historians insist that it was Islam that introduced slavery to black Africa while european historians says there was some form of slavery without proof. See the links below for more.

http://africanhistory.about.com/od/slavery/p/SlaveryTypes.htm

http://africanhistory.about.com/od/slavery/tp/TransAtlantic001.htm

capricon: I will assume you are one of these things
1. you are young and ignorant

2. All u do with yourself is drink, party and chase after women just to satisfy ur urge

3. illiterate

well let me give a little home work. Go and read about the OYO empire and their wars with the NUPE and DAHOMEY kingdom and even the rebellion of EGBAS from the oppressive OYO kingdom.

pls do not reply till you have read it.

I am perplex by your post above, it does not qualify as a debate or argument. It is just an incoherent blabber. You left the topic at hand and started blabbing nonsense.

Let me respond to your personal attacks.
1. I am not young and anything but ignorant. I am sure i am older and more educated than you. I hold a masters degree in architecture, i studied extensively histories of african societies through their architecture. So i appreciate arab and european influences on our culture much more than you could ever do.

2. I honestly do not know how you came to these assumptions or how it has any bearing to the topic at hand. Are you sure you did not type the above after an abuse of a banded substance?

3. Repetition of no. 1, so refer to my answer for no. 1.

If you want to educate me that the Oyo empire was created before the coming of the Europeans that is before the 14th century, why not show me the link or refer me to the book. That is what a supposedly educated person would do.

capricon: Yes there were wars before the coming of europeans and Arabs. History is filled with them. oyo empire was constantly at war with dahomy and Nupe kindom and constantly tried to expand its territory. same with Ashantis just to mention a few. There were numerous intertribal wars. Slavery was also practised, they were often captured in war and sold or serve kings and deities. There is nothing new under the sun

My friend you lie or you are simply ignorant. Let me repeat load and clear "THERE WERE NO WARS IN BLACK AFRICA BEFORE THE COMING OF THE WHITE MAN - ARABS AND EUROPEANS". Even the wikipedia link you provided shows islamic influences in the first empires in black africa - songhai, mali and kanem bornu empires.

The Benin and Oyo empires were the influenced by the Europeans, who armed the kings to the detriment of their neighbours, first for slave trade and later for agricultural trade.

Before the white man came an african had no need to conquer and dominate his neighbour. That was why we had so many small tribes cohabiting within a small geographical space.

So please give me just one example of pre-arab/european war in black africa.

capricon: Nice, its good too see a pagan hausa person which is very rare. i thought they were all die hard islamic followers. But tell me do u practice your faith openly without persecution or stigma?

Hausas are traditionally pagans, it was the fulanis that conquered, dominated and converted them to islam.

vislabraye: Stop mixing up things. In the bid to win an argument you contradict yourself.
Let's go point by point. You said christians are against taking medication? But you agree with me that missionaries built schools and hospitals. How can they now be against taking drugs if they built hospitals?
Christianity and witch killing? I'm sure you want to talk about Rev. King. If christianity supports witch killing, why did Mary Slessor stop the killing of children in Calabar?
The problem with African christianity is that there are still some elements of traditional practise. And its this traditional practises that kill witches or torture children. They believe that if you cross a pregnant woman its a bad omen.
What has pevert got to do with christianity? Do the pastors that you claim do it openly. Any thing you have to say about christianity, let it be from the scriptures.

You are the one mixing issues up. Yes Christian missionaries build schools and hospitals but you people (born again Christians) deny that that the missionaries (Catholics and orthodox Christianity) are not real Christians, and so buildings schools and hospitals is not a part of your modern day Christianity.

born again Christianity has reversed the germ theory, to them deseases are attacks by the devil and evil spirits, now tell me how that is different from African traditional religions.

Christianity does not support killing of witches, really? Do you know how many alleged witches were killed in Europe by the church? o I forgot, they were not real Christians. Did the bible not say suffer a witch not to live, or is that a figure of speech?

There is nothing and I mean nothing that is practiced in African traditional religion that was not practiced in Christianity. Christianity had to demonize African religions to gain acceptance.

capricon: I agree with u on most things Ptolomeus though i still think ur weired ok seroulsly, take no offense. i do disagree with u on one thing. u seem to think one of the ills of Africa is caused by colonization/slavery. it tend to disagree there. you see most cultures in the world either practised slavery or were colonized or ruled by foreign cultures but that doesn't stop them from developing.

Black Africa never practiced slavery before the coming of the Europeans and Arabs, like religion and language, slavery was imposed on black Africa. There were also no record of wars in pre-colonial black Africa, we were sold weapons and taught how to kill and conquer each other.