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lionshare:It's been really refreshing reading from you here because it confirms the forum still has objective, forward thinking and balanced folks here. The bolded is solid gold as they are issues I make the conscious effort to be aware of for the purposes of self-improvement and greater efficacy at delivering solutions. One other thing as well with Nigerians is that most lack humility to concede others know more than them to then submit to learning from that person for the purpose of their own self-improvement and progress. I can learn from a 10 year old and even thank him/her for the knowledge he/she imparted because life is result business. Whatever/whoever helps you achieve results you should appreciate. As you said, large scale Property development is very complex and involves a lot of specialist knowledge. It is therefore disturbing to see Nigerians with not even rudimentary knowledge in the sector thrash the decisions and choices of those with perhaps decades of experience in the sector and have become multi millionaires in dollars developing property. That is how we are as a People and it is a problem.. |
lionshare:Precisely. Smart and successful developers plan meticulously and have good line of credit they service over time. Even sales of 10% of units available may allow them cover a significant portion of build cost and service construction loans they obtained. |
jaxxy:Okay I get you now. The bolded is civil of you and the way it should be. In facts some of your comments above puts things in perspective meaning I understand you better. Yet my point, which I am sure you will admit is not unreasonable, is that we should all celebrate these projects which beautify our landscape, and as lionshare has eloquently and correctly argued, bring direct and indirect wealth to Nigeria. You have to remember this is a private initiative meaning that, whether you like it or not, private money will go ahead and build it anyway. The risk of slow or even stagnant sales is borne by the developer who has every right to choose this project rather than carry the matter of Nigeria's poor masses on his head. I am not and can never be an elitist focused alone on what benefits the wealthy but it is always right to warn the poor and frustrated not to work with misplaced anger against those innocent of blame for the problems they are in. This is a private project some people who have worked dedicatedly and very hard, perhaps all their lives, have found themselves in a position to execute. We should celebrate them and celebrate the positives of the project rather than think "they never build for the poor" or "they are wicked" etc. Look at trending questions popular on forums with intellectual topics and discussions like Quora. You'd find that people have reflected on why Elon Musk, with a net worth of $484 billion dollars, cannot simply begin dashing money to the poor and needy. The answer is simple. Doing that does more damage by removing the incentive for others to go out and work as hard, innovated and dedicatedly as Musk did to succeed. It is the Governments people must face to improve the lives of the masses. That is not a duty of the rich and nothing to hate them for if, like Musk, they do not start literally dashing the poor money. The rich, especially those who have worked had to amass wealth, cannot stop doing what pleases them.because Nigerians are in poverty. Charitable acts from the rich is good but it is still voluntary and not obligation.. We all need to remember that and stop automatically hating on every spectacular thing wealthy people, especially business investors, do with their own money. |
SlavaUkraini:Don't waste your Time responding to that bitter and frustrated individual. That is what he enjoys. I.e annoying and depressing back and forth with others till you are as miserable as he is wherever he is . Below was his attack against my post here, not addressed to him, simply because I praised Eko Atlantic Project. I just ignored him because I know what he is about. I,d advise you to do same. lexy2014: |
lionshare:See below a perfect example of what we are both saying about mentality and how some have finished themselves with hate and negativity to the extent their thinking is failed and doomed. I never addressed the character below yet view his personalised, frustrated and insulting attack, I chose to ignore, simply because I defended Eko Atlantic for being an iconic project in my own nation of origin. This is same Eko Atlantic USA has shown global confidence in and preference for by purchasing a plot to building their biggest consulate in the whole world. Many African and global Premier companies have secured plots at Eko Atlantic to gain presence in one of Africa's most prestigious and iconic address. Yet, according to this chap, and because I do not have "a plot or half plot inside eko atlantic" or "a bucket of sand there", I cannot have the natural patritionism, that does not take owning anything at Eko Atlantic, to defend and be proud of a project that puts Nigeria on the spectacular level of around only a few nations in Africa that can boast of similar. Look at the Anwer AI gave when I asked it of projects on similar level and scale to Eko Atlantic in Africa. Five. With one being the masterplanned Cetenary City in Abuja. You can see the mentality that results in Nigerians being toxic , envious and malevolent enemies of each other's progress. Let Eko Atlantic be in Ghana. The whole world will hear it non-stop , about "the Dubai of Africa in Ghana", from Ghanaians lol. lexy2014:
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jaxxy:Like a drowning man, you're just clutching at straws here instead of admitting you are wrong. Eko Atlantic is a bold and audacious project , like the Palms Dubai, that is a mini-city within a city. It is commonsensical it will be affected by overarching global consideration, such as COVID-19 that made many grand scale luxury projects lose traction, that will take time to overcome. Still yet the future of Eko Atlantic, when optimal economic conditions will fully allow, will be secure with how so many Prestigious African and global business/conglomerates/institutions etal have secured plots there to have a presence in what is going to be one of Africa's most prestigious, most iconic and most sought-after residential and business address. To put things in perspective, Eko Atlantic , at 10 square kilometres, is slightly bigger than Ikoyi at around 9 square kilometres. How then can you compare efforts to build something the size of Ikoyi from scratch,i.e Eko Atlantic, to a single skyscraper in same Ikoyi when Eko Atlantic can literally accommodate hundreds of said skyscraper? This skyscraper, marketed competitively globally, can have 15 to even 25% of units sold offline or by 6 months after official sales of completed units begin. That amount of sales may even have covered most of the building costs outlay meaning majority of the remaining units are profit earnings for the developer. If you view issues with a closed-minded and prejudiced/biased outlook then you'd miss a lot. |
Max24:Don't mind them. Look at the story of the 33 year old below, a former Uber driver from Ibadan, who became Nigeria's youngest property billionaire at 31. Would he be where he is if he let his ordinary background poison his mind to the extent he becomes someone resentful of wealth and the wealthy instead of seeking wealth and becoming wealthy as many ordinary and even very poor Nigerians chased and achieved? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMzo36IROD0?si=66i5pNH8KKRlzyxC |
jaxxy:Are you informed at all or just pandering ignorantly to your own prejudice? The investors for this project are foreign so is it not their prerogative to choose what they invest their money on in Nigeria? They should be forced to think of poor Nigerians how or why? Finally, they have done their feasibility and market research. They will not invest what they have invested if their many clever technocrats believe they are "building average luxury apartments that nobody within the country can afford to live in". They know many Nigerians and even non-Nigerians, inside and outside Nigeria, can afford to buy the units they will be offering. Their world-class marketing team reveals that to them. I don't know how some of you live life to the extent you can just say things that ignores the fact many brilliant folks, who take measured and calculated risks, are successful investors. Whereas you who may have never even bought a single plot are here disparaging their effort thinking you know better than them. |
lionshare:Absolutely. Projects like this create multi-level opportunities that aren't even directly related to the Property developers. I don't understand why some wish to paint these luxury projects as bad or unneeded when the fact that they are entirely private ventures mean they do not come as an opportunity cost to anything else. This project, for example, does not stop any Government building homes for the poor. I personally provide a balance on this sort of thread so that Nigerians who can still think and are decent should see need to reign in their routinely negative mindset which damages mental health and positive ambition/inspiration to do and become more in life. |
Ekaka14:This is a completely private project so what necessitates your talk suggesting alternatives the Government can spend the project money on when it is not Government money being used on the project? You even ungraciously overstep boundaries , with your misplaced anger and frustration,mocking government saying " a responsible, honest , transparent and smart government will invest that money ($1.5bn) in Oil/gas". What has a 100% private property development project got to do with the Nigerian Government for it to then be taking flack from you and others? To me, many of your type of responses just indicate how too many average Nigerians now have the mentality wealth and the wealthy are bad because they don't have the former and believe they can never be the later. They therefore prefer to criminalise both. |
helinues:You may be right sha. Besides, motivation to pay should come from how constant power allows everyone, from private individuals to businesses, to be more productive. Some States, and their people, will definitely have enough financial muscle to pay. My thinking is that they are few though. |
famouscargo4u:Na wa bro. I don't get people like that dude. Legitimately successful people in Nigeria deserve whatever they have because doing business in Nigeria is very difficult. I can confirm this first hand. The culture of corruption is ingrained and everywhere with government offices and parastatals being the worst. If you a re unfortunate enough to need them be ready to be extorted at all level or risk them frustrating and harming your business. Even with private businesses retailing products, be ready for virtually all your staff to be crooks. It takes balls, innovation, energy, can-do spirit and huge people management skills (perhaps the most important quality needed) to succeed in Nigeria. Even those from overseas who would be buying apartments in that building would have worked hard to be able to afford it. Legitimately successful people deserve luxuries their wealth buys them. What the wealthy own and how they live should inspire ordinary Nigerians to double their hussle, acquire more skills, remain ambitious and not give up. |
yemre:Great post. I am a fan of architecture and love nothing better than seeing beautiful buildings rise up and planned areas develop. Your talk about Ogun show's you're up to speed with naturally direction financial , residential and investment energy will flow towards from Lagos. In fact I am always pushing my friend abroad to buy plots at Obasanjo Hilltop residence in Abeokuta, while they are still available, because the place is a decent compromise of modernity, infrastructure, affordability and security. From there, with presence on ground, they can prepare for Ogun State really taking off to benefit from huge inflow of FDI and greater industrialisation in the State in the near future which is 💯% inevitable. |
lebete3000:The UBA building is old and probably not well -maintained. This will likely have state-of the-art automatic sprinkler system and an annual service charge that will probably be more than 10 million Naira annually ensuring maintenance is too notch.. |
Criksus:You have poor man's mentality, detrimental to your ability to succeed, but you don't know this. How will the common man "suffer for this" when it is a privately-funded project targeted at wealthy Nigerians in one of the wealthiest areas in Nigeria? It is like saying common Ney Yorkers will "suffer for this" if a similar project is rising up in Manhattan. When you hate anything for the wealthy and always speak of "common man" it means, unconsciously, you never wish to be wealthy or have what legitimate wealth brings since even people poor today , if well-adjusted, understand they can be wealthy tomorrow. The saying "don't hate, appreciate" is an example of letting good things inspire you, so you too may gain/achieve them, rather than hating on anything good or anyone wealth/successful. |
helinues:Yes but assured returns on their investment is critical to investors committing their money. It then becomes about whether Nigeria has the market that can afford the tariff levels that will allow investors recoup their capital and returns on investment. |
Nkl4u:You expect the poor to be living there? Can even average Britons afford to buy property in Westminster today or Americans purchase in the Hamptons? Ikoyi is for the very wealthy. Nothing wrong with that. |
mainkendo:There are several under construction in Ikoyi right now. I think most people don't appreciate how much private wealth and financial energy is concentrated in Lagos. It will only get better. |
helinues:It's a mixture of a few things. Cost is a big issues as power supply, across generation, transmission and distribution, is very expensive. Our Minister of Power estimates that 10 billion dollars is needed over ten years, equating 100 billion dollars, for Nigeria to gain constant power. Private companies could bear a significant part of the cost ,working with Government in PPP arrangement i.e private public sector partnership. Yet, virtually non would be attracted to most states of Nigeria because people of many States of our nation cannot pay enough, tariffs-wise, to allow these companies collect their capital over time plus considerable Return on Investment (ROI) that would make the venture worthwhile for them. This is why I am always amused when ignorant Nigerians shout "we can have 24/7 electricity using all the money politicians are looting" and attack Adelabu who is doing a good job per issues he can control and have impact on. Today, decades of under-investment in our near moribund power sector infrastructure now means it requires significant upgrade and modernising at huge costs. In the SW, as I don't like to speak for other regions, Lagos will achieve 24/7 power supply in the near future. It's obvious from how the State is moving. A clue is how Lagos has moved to rename Distribution companies in the State. I believe this allows them to set tariffs independent of what other States are doing. The thinking would be that , per fully privatised power sector, setting of tariff now becomes a State thing no Nigerian can attack FG over. If Lagos increase tariff, higher than anywhere else in Nigeria, to secure 24/7 power to the State, they will not tolerate protest as they will justifiably insist they have the authority to do so and anyone displeased can move to a cheaper State because Lagos cannot remain underdeveloped kowtowing to issues of "affordability" over critical sectors it needs PPP arrangements to make work optimally. Possible, perhaps later, for Ogun State and Oyo also to gain significant improvement in power supply. The other three SW States will need to leverage on the capacity of Lagos, Ogun and Oyo in a regional array as DAWN commission proposes. |
helinues:You're right. Just saw similar announced yesterday. An FG 100 billion Naira initiative to power public sector infrastructure, including schools, hospitals, and government buildings, with clean energy replacing diesel generators. What the Government should consider later, when the economy improves enough, is a specialised agency that will partner with qualified companies to sell and fit solar system, to Nigerians with a 30 to 5O% discount. This will really improve the use of solar power in homes and businesses considering sunny weather virtually all year round is a blessing Nigeria enjoys The UK, with long periods of inadequate sunshine , especially in the winter and autumn months, still gives Briton a grant on solar system they purchase to encourage a move towards cleaner and more sustainable energy. https://punchng.com/fg-to-tackle-energy-cost-in-public-institutions-with-n100bn-solar-initiative/
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helinues:Lol. Witty. We know who those "we are finished people" are. They need no introduction or formal naming. |
helinues:Abi OO. This is a needed and responsive bill because the Nigerian police force need top-to-bottom reformation and overhaul. |
helinues:Yes OO. Signed into law yesterday. This is what some of us supporters of Tinubu say about his Government. So much going on that is good but not publicised. I was not aware this bill was sponsored let alone as advanced as needing executive assent which Mr.President has now provided. |
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanguardngr.com/2025/10/tinubu-signs-into-law-police-training-institutions-bill-establishing-48-specialised-academies-nationwide/amp/ Tinubu signs into law Police Training Institutions Bill establishing 48 specialised academies nationwide. |
Mbanda:The fate of Kanu does not matter to me either way. I am just starting what he will be reduced to doing because lengthy incarceration can break most men and make them beg for freedom. |
yarimo:Atiku has to try because it is his last chance to become President. Yet he will fail against a formidable incumbent President. Obi has zero hope. Events have overtaken him and Tinubu is now President meaning the playing field is different and not one favourable to Obi who is now yesterday's man and way less appealing than he was before th 2023 election. GEJ has not stated he will contest and I doubt he will. If anything, he will swing behind Tinubu and endorse him publicly. Tinubu will win in 2027 fairly easily. |
beerfraud:No ethnic group in the whole world more emptily braggart than those people. Lol. |
Streetinvestor2:Lol. More empty threats as usual. That is all you people are about. Scan Nairaland to see several threads with your kinsmens bragging, before Kanu was nabbed in Kenya, that "arrest Kanu and Nigeria burns down". Nigerians now know you people are discredited and empty noisemakers not to be taken seriously. |
Tinubu never joins issues with anyone pettily. He goes to a corner to reflect on how to deal with you if you become a problem to him. Kanu will beg last last. Even then , with time in custody taken into account, he may still spend substantial time in prison after being found guilty. We all should remember that this is the same Tinubu, before he became President, Kanu directed his mob to hunt down and kill during #EndSARS as if he is some General directing a formidable Army. |
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