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Dumb take. How many people can afford to try that from their salary in these present circumstances? They will just open mouth to talk anyhow. That the grass is green in his own compound does not mean that it is the same for others all around. After all, his brother was a governor.

The way these people talk, it is clear that as long as they can still afford these things, the average citizen can go to blazes. They care not.

This is one thing I detest about the APC. To appear good, they will dig up the worse and then compare themselves to it. You don't make progress by comparing yourself with the worse. To make progress, you compare yourself to those who are better and then strive forward, but not APC government. They don't mind going to Mars to find something worse that they can compare themselves to in order to prove that they are still good. Bollocks! Very irritating! No wonder the country is regressing.

Politicians! People that have a problem with respecting their own constitution can definitely not respect the laws of the land.

He has promised not to disappoint the dead, he might disappoint the living though.

SisterAnn:
E be like car na essential commodity for your area?

Not so, but what do we do to those who have this whatchamacallit mindset like my landlady eh? Lol

With the present mindset that is prevalent, legalising gun ownership for everyone is dangerous. What will a hungry with a gun resort to? Yet in the face of the present insecurity, it seems wise to legalise gun ownership, but without fixing the economy and making life better for the citizenry, it's another keg of gunpowder.

Privacy of course. This is Africa, not Europe. People have the habit of always poking their noses in other people's business here. My friend and his wife visited me in their car last boxing day, if you see how my landlady came to stand outside on the balcony upstairs looking at us eh... Same thing when they were leaving. I will pack at night or very early in the morning please.

The level of disrespect! You did well.

Do you think the babe would take it easy with you if it had been you who posted one of your female friends with that caption? Let no one deceive you, you did well ending it.

However, I have a hunch you will still go back to the girl. Phew!

House fellowship! How the early church started, but today it is mostly looked down on.

babyfaceafrica:
But former governors also didn't do those roads.. They are also guilty

This your logic will just take everything downhill if it is used to measure every government. It is what Buhari for 8 years to wreck everything.

Observing! 😂

FeliciaOja:
When i said Demoracy cannot work in Nigeria, prople where busy criticizing me
The reason democracy worked in the west is because they one ethnic group in each country

But when you have a mixture of differnt trubes insude one pool and try to do Democracy it will become competiton
Each tribe will be fighting for who to rule instead of voting a qualuty leader

Imagine if ukraine had 76 differnt tribes in one country speaking different languages

You will see that 60% will support russia
Because russia favor their tribe
But that can never happen because ukraine have ONE tribe. Norway has one ethnic tribe, Croatia, Romania, itlay has one ethnic tribe italians. All speaking ONE language
So they are united and not bias by tribe ir ethnic propaganda.

During end sars , The SW SE were united in that protest. While the north was doing anti protest supporting Sars


This is why i hold Baba Olusegun Obasanjo with the highest regards for handling true democracy.

Instead of coting Peter Obi you all decided to put hand in fire and now you are crying that it hurts. Before Nko??

You collect 2k to sell your votes
And still wonder why you are suffering
Una never see anything
Even Bible says The ignorant will suffer from their lack of knowledge

Newtons 3rd law
All actions have equal cosequence

You see that Obasanjo that you mentioned, God bless you for it. That man deserves his flowers. Who was concerned about insecurity during his time? Nobody!

Hmmmmm mixed feelings about this.

Hmmmm truly this matter cuts across both genders, however, I think it's more common to females than males. If we will be truthful, men are the root cause of this issue. Look at Yahoo boys, what they do out there with these ladies, it's just crazy. We now have too many feminised men in the society today.

frankson1:
He's being deceived and would be told to shut up and sit down when the time comes.

It's really disheartening to see my beloved club in this mess and has become so ordinary.

I gave up on United a little long while back.

frankson1:
Manchester United troubles continue as long as the clueless, selfish and greedy Glazers are still in charge. They won't be bothered about the growth or improvement of the club on-field as long as they're cashing out.

Jim won't be any way different from them because I don't get why he was so dieing to have any % of share in the club.

I hope the FA doesn't give approval to Jim's buying of a stake.

I completely agree with you. I also don't understand the nonsensical rambling about Jim (a minority shareholder) being the one in control of all sporting affairs. There's no club anywhere where the minority shareholder controls completely the sporting affairs. Pure lies.

Ratcliffe has been ripped. He paid way too much. The Glazers are overvaluing the club beyond the total value of its shares in the stock market. Sheikh Jassim dodged a bullet. Man offered £6bn plus an extra £1bn for facilities but it was still not enough for them. Club is worth just $5bn, but they still wanted more, as if £6bn is not way more than $5bn. I don't see much changing with Ratcliffe at United. Ratcliffe did not do anything with Nice in Ligue 1. He just screwed the club over, even the team captain came out publicly to complain. Time will unravel all.

TOBILOBA2023:
Do you really know about them in real life?

Very good question!

This man's political end is near. Taking every perceived enemy head-on is never a wise thing to do. All this noise, he will soon kiss the dust.

flexyrule:
Something tells me River state governor will be removed at the Supreme Court, and all these commissioners that resigned will be reappointed.

I have a very strong feeling about it!

It's not as straightforward as you think. If Sim loses at the Supreme Court, Wike will also lose. Why do you think Wike has not completely left the PDP? It's more tricky than it appears. Who says the next person to take over will also allow Wike walk over him? Mind you, he cannot go to APC because he only has a fraction of those ones in his pocket, not all. The assembly members that also defected will still hear it very soon.

Someone that likes cooking still wants a man that will be ordering food for her? Isn't that a bit awkward and contradictory?

What is this?

ndukao2000:
In your first post, you made a very important point about fruitfulness, which is the truth that Jesus actually wants us to be fruitful and that's why He called us in the first place. I commend that.

In response to your reaction...

Don't forget that John 15:2 doesn't have it's own context outside the entire chapter and even the entire Bible. Remember that the Book of John, just like almost every other book of the Bible, was not originally written in chapters and verses. The book of John was originally written as a letter from John to a specific audience (ie Jews and believers in the diaspora). Hence, you see why you can never accurately teach or explain one verse of the Bible in isolation. At best, you will make the word say something completely different from what the Author (the Holy Spirit) intended.

The same Jesus who spoke in verse 2 clearly stated in verse 6 that people will be cast out, become withered and be thrown into the fire if they don't abide in Him.

If you maintain that verse 2 doesn't connote being literally taken away, then you are clearly saying that Jesus contradicted Himself as we read further down in verse 6. And we all know that scriptures cannot be broken (John 10:35). Jesus started a very critical conversation on fruitfulness in verse 2 and then went further in verse 6 to show us how to be fruitful as well as the consequences of not being connected to Him.

Remember, a branch cannot be fruitful if it doesn't abide (remain) in the vine. It is commonsense that the branch which doesn't remain in the vine cannot be nourished. It will eventually die a natural death and wither away. It will then be discarded by the farmer because it will be useless, occupying good space.

Many errors have been created because some persons have interpreted one verse of the Bible outside the surrounding verses and even the entire Bible. Hence, attempting to explain 15:2 alone will only create confusion.

You gloriously shot yourself in the leg. Verse 2 talks about unfruitful branches IN HIM being lifted up so that it may bear fruit. verse 6 talks about a man that is NOT ABIDING IN HIM, but you are here to argue blindly. you don't even pay proper attention to what you claim to read. smh. The post explains how the Greek word "airo" does not mean "take away or cut away", and how the translation there in the English does not align with the original Greek text, that explanation you cannot say a thing about, and you cannot because you are just here to shove your opinion down people's throat saying yada-yada. Nairaland is big enough for you to create your own posts, huh. I advised you the last time. Take it. I'm having no engagement with you whatsoever hereafter. I've found you out elsewhere on Nairaland. Enjoy your grievances.

Dtruthspeaker:
What happened to Esau, king Saul, Solomon, Eli's sons? Isaiah 5.

Read what you wrote again. How we read the bible as if the cross of Christ changes and means nothing requires a doctoral study in theology.

Lmao. Not surprised

Omoluabi16:
They keep renovating offices every 4-8 years. How many Nigerians get to do that?
She does not even know Nigeria's BOT with china, our major trading partner.. unaware the records even exist. Then the billion naira trip to Geneva.
Osho did well this time by telling her to sit down and work.

I was shocked to read that Trade Ministry does not have the Balance of Trade records. Just imagine. I wonder the office they are renovating.

Waiting to see how it turns out in the end.

There are people on Nairaland o. 😂 Thank God I checked this thread, now I know someone here better.

Kobojunkie:
Massacre? You mean to say that where in the same John 15 vs 1 - 15, which you posted from earlier, where Jesus Christ divides the branches into those who are friends and those who are enemies, Jesus Christ was complicit in destroying scripture?

You mean to say that Isaiah 54 where The barren woman(the Nation of Israel which God first abandoned/punished with divorce) is told that she will eventually have more children than the other woman(the Nation of Judah), God and Isaiah were complicit in this destruction of scripture?

In Matthew 22 Jesus Christ quotes Isaiah 41 vs 1- 4 where it is explained that without even condemning any of those — Jesus Christ said He had come to save but not to condemn — whom He was sent to, Jesus Christ would bring true Justice. You think Jesus Christ was wrong and you are right for twisting the content of that passage to apply a completely different meaning?

2. I see you are versed in the art of special interpretation magic of the religious folks. You lost major in twisting and skewing that which is presented in Scripture any which way you can to replace the meaning intended by the writers with your special interpretations. Good for you, however, the Truth of God is everlasting and no amount of your special interpretation attempts can change that.

Lol. 😂 Instead of him to just Google hermeneutics and homiletics, he's talking about "special interpretation magic". smh. Twisting and skewing scriptures? Lol. Why not just rest since you are the reservoir of the truth eh? I don't understand any more. You've added ad hominems to your initial strawman. E be things o.

Kobojunkie:
I don't presume my assertions are correct rather Scripture itself as presented even from the same context of John 15 vs 1 - 15 and Mattthew 22 stand as proof against your interpretations of portions of scripture whicu you lifted out of context. Open your eyes to see what is in fact written

I lifted scripture out of context? Coming from you? Really? Do you realise that everything you posted up there is not even a matter of just lifting scripture out of context but a massacre of bible texts? I think what you mean by context is something else known just to you. I'm wondering why I'm responding to you here when it is evident already that you're neither a student of hermeneutics nor of homiletics. You need the eye opening more actually. Now do yourself a favour, avoid my posts huh. Make your own posts stating your own "correct" interpretation of scriptures. You know so much and you're so objective. Take your trophy. I do not contend for it with you. Byeeeeee!

Kobojunkie:
Explain exactly how pointing out the obvious errors in your convenient interpretation there amounts to a strawman.

Errors? Did you say errors? You presume your assertions are correct and true then. Obvious errors my foot. Enjoy man. I have no time. Funny. Enjoy your "correctness".

ndukao2000:
Thanks for sharing this insight.

I think you should look at the passage in context of John 15 as well as the fuller context (which is the entirety of Jesus's teachings and commands)

Consider verse 6:

If Jesus will never cast out anyone who doesn't bear fruit, then what explanation do you have for the phrase "cast out"?

"If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned."
John 15:6 NKJV

In view of your explanation, kindly consider the below verse:

"I tell you, the Kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a nation that will produce the proper fruit."
Matthew 21:43 NLT

Please bear in mind that the audience Jesus was referring to in this context had the kingdom. However, it would be taken away from them according to Jesus and given to those who will bear fruit.

When a man doesn't have the kingdom of God, what would the man have? What is the state of the man who no longer possesses the Kingdom?

Please take your time to read the story that led to the conclusion of Jesus in the above verse.

After sharing the parable of the wicked vinedressers with his audience, Jesus asked them a very critical question:

“When the owner of the vineyard returns,” Jesus asked, “what do you think he will do to those farmers?”
Matthew 21:40 NLT

His audience then responded:

“He will put the wicked men to a horrible death and lease the vineyard to others who will give him his share of the crop after each harvest.”
Matthew 21:41 NLT.

The audience clearly judged themselves with the answer they gave. They clearly said what should be done to those who don't bear fruits. And Jesus never went against their reply. Rather, He further emphasized it.


Lastly, going back to the passage you referenced (John 15:2), you must realise that the meaning of the Greek word, "airō" isn't limited to "to raise up, elevate, lift up" It literally means "to raise up or take away"

When a vinedresser notices that a branch isn't bearing fruit, he will raise it to a vantage position where it can be well nourished and exposed to favourable conditions. However, if after all the patient assistance, the branch refuses to bear fruit, the vinedresser will be left with no choice but to take it away so it doesn't introduce corruption into the vine.

Please read another parable of Jesus below that further explains this:

"Then Jesus told this story: “A man planted a fig tree in his garden and came again and again to see if there was any fruit on it, but he was always disappointed. Finally, he said to his gardener, ‘I’ve waited three years, and there hasn’t been a single fig! Cut it down. It’s just taking up space in the garden.’ “The gardener answered, ‘Sir, give it one more chance. Leave it another year, and I’ll give it special attention and plenty of fertilizer. If we get figs next year, fine. If not, then you can cut it down.’”
Luke 13:6‭-‬9 NLT

Notice in the above that The Master gave the fig tree ample opportunity to bear fruit. However, he also stipulated conditions that would determine whether or not He would allow it remain on his farm.

There are things the believer must do in Christ to be fruitful. Fruitfulness is not automatic.

"But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ."
II Peter 1:5‭-‬8 NKJV

Verse 10 says:
"So, dear brothers and sisters, work hard to prove that you really are among those God has called and chosen. Do these things, and you will never fall away."
2 Peter 1:10 NLT

The believer who doesn't work hard to become fruitful (or become diligent as stated by KJV) will fall away

Before you jump from scripture to scripture, hermeneutics demands that you first understand a single text within it's own complete context first. Your assertion about John 15;6 does not even follow the post. Now you have gone ahead to add other verses to it, taken out of context.