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Redemption1:
Abeg if una get 68rc pop pics make una drop


Modified: congrats to members of nda 68rc on your pop, many were called, few were chosen but only the fittest survived.

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Tobiloba24072:
I support him, and I feel you're wrong..... the stabilised platform and accuracy and safety almost akin to that of a MBT makes ifv really needed, it offers a lot of advantage almost cheating, when used against bht, if they are used in sufficient numbers, imagine placing accurate 30mm shots, from 3km , where by bht can't even see from that distance....left to me, I would prefer more ifv, that mbt, in the present fighting we have in the country.

And that stability, accuracy and safety also exist in the 12.7mm RCWS fitted on ST1 light tank. I also do not see a need for an MBT when fighting BH as well and I'm not making a case for it,
What I'm saying is buying an IFV for BH is waste of resources.

Light tanks like the ST1 fitted with 105mm would be used for destroying BH sentry, smoke them out of their trenches and other defensive positions while the 12.7mm RCWS will be used to shell their guntrucks.
An IFV won't be able to destroy a well fortified sentry, so it will have to be complemented with a bigger gun like ST1

And If we need heavy guns for patrols, we can just easily buy a 40mm AGL RCWS and fit it on our Isotrex APC or legion MRAP or any APC.

ecomog1990:
Country people I hail una. Imaginary view of war differs from combat reality view. Those who tasted Liberia and Borno conflicts tell us IFV is the magic weapon that Nigerian Army has never used to try defeat insecurity nationwide.
So, am sorry mate, your logic written up there about NA & IFV is technically very wrong.

You said NA needs systems not just one weapon like IFV, thats wrong because modern IFV is an integrated system of several components:

(1) ISR equipt tru RCWS EOS - Electro-Optical sensors with 5 to 15km range of day/night battlefield thermal TV cameras intel surveillance recce makes IFV perform Non-Kinetic tasks of UAV Drone, binoculars, aircraft FLIR, ground radars

(2) Guns & Missiles tru RCWS stabilized Autocannon with long range heavy rapid fire, GPMG, AGL, ATGM makes IFV perform Kinetic tasks strike role of AFV, UCAV Drone, light Tanks, light artillery.

(3) Cabin seats, Hull & Belly Armour - IFV performs roles of cargo and troop transport tasks of APC, ICV, LATV, MRAP

(4) Various types of weapons as system integration fires - makes IFV performs role of surface strike anti-personnel, anti-material, anti-tank, anti-aircraft, anti-munition, anti-structure all multiroles in one

(5) C3 Equipt for Command, Control, Communication - VHF/UHF radios, digital comms, data-link, SatCom, battle management console visual display, makes IFV perform long range C3 roles

All these and more, make modern IFV like Boxer, BMP-3, VN-1C, the magic platform of any effective army.
Attack, defence, mobility, surveillance, communication network, patrol, command/control, tactical deterrent, force/power projection, peace enforcement, CT-COIN, conventional conflict, are all done with IFV fleet in Army ORBAT & TOE.

Army without full IFV fleet is suffering what is called land power operational capability gap, and Nigeria is dying because of it.
No other single platform can replace IFV.

IFV is not just a single weapon unit, it is a platform of many weapons integrated, so IFV is a system.
Nigerian Army needs a system and IFV is that missing system.

IFV is best solution to kill all enemy gun trucks damaging Nigeria killing our army, police, and civilians
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IFV proven roles effect in terrorism - insurgency history:

Many times when USA-NATO soldiers are being overrun by Taliban, Al Qaeda, ISIS, and no air support available, they call in IFV - Stryker or Warrior to save those troops, and Taliban dies or runs away.
Records say once Rosomak IFV appears, Taliban fighters disappear.
Bradley IFV practically killed Iraq in ground battles of the first Gulf war.
BMP IFV and MTLB 23mm IFV did very well against ISIS in Iraq.
LAV-III IFV tormented Taliban hiding on high mountains in Afghanistan, with insurgents killed where they are safe from other NATO weapons.


You also said shebi we have 1,000s equipment in NA now and all those have not made our Army succeed. Ah mate, such ignorant statements is what is killing us today, does our 1,000 weapons include Norinco Type-08 IFV, ISR assets with FLIR & SATCOM, Command Post C4, BMP-3 IFV ? Answer is big No !

99% of those your NA 1,000 weapons are old obsolete, worn out, rusted, breaking down, night blind without night vision thermals, no stabilized guns, no guided munitions, no long range ISTAR, no rapid fire medium calibre Autocannon, and almost no IFV among them, the very right type of weapons we need for our type of war is the very one we don't have among those your 1,000 weapons in NA.

If we follow what you wrote up there Nigerian people will continue to die like chickens inside this insecurity
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Not most of our engagements are during patrols, just some. Many times BH & ISW hav overrun our based at FOBs, checkpoints, Super Camps, NAF base, Navy base Lake Chad, NN garrison on Chad Islands, NA town garrisons, etc. Our contacts with enemy happens everywhere.

To say IFV is not for patrol is wrong, tactical operational deployment & employment role of IFV especially wheeled type includes ops where one IFV leads patrol convoy as vanguard/escort to five weaker Humvees or Toyota gun trucks on patrol missions.

It's called mechanized element of motorized infantry formations.
Only IFV has all-round capabilities needed to end insecurity nationwide, we just let equipment manufacturer train our crew properly to master their IFV and the new Zaria NA Infantry training center train them on effective field use of IFV, our men will now gain overwhelming force to defeat insecurity.

FGN has tested all other asset is except IFV, lets give this magic asset a try with VN-1C variants in large numbers, let wheeled IFV answer distress call in every LGA and lets see which Boko Bandit ISIS-WA Kidnappers Robbers Herdsmen can remain alive after fighting vs modern IFV like Bumerang or cheaper VN-1C of $1.2 million price per one.

Lets stop all these novice talk of this war is not all about weapons, we already have 1000 weapons, weapons alone is nothing without training, morale is down no weapons can boost it, no new weapon can change situation, unless we address all the other non-kinetic problems affecting insecurity;

Who does not know all these? Are these new thinking? Look my people we all know all these, so lets stop stories and do the right thing by filling the dangerous capability gaps that has weakened Nigerian Army for decades!

There are global standards for structuring a modern, balanced, combat-effective, war winning Army that will overcome guerilla insurgents or state-actor conventional adversaries.

DefSec technologists and tacticians invented and created IFV for a specific reason, if its not needed, it will not remain a most vital asset in all modern armies since 1960s.

Some European, American Armies, USA Marines, are eliminating tanks, replacing MBT with multirole IFV to show us importance of IFV is today's defence security architecture.

Do all needful non-kinetic, religious, economic, orientation, social solutions to Nigeria's insecurity and also do needful tech equipt capability gap solution.

Across city street asphalt roads, Sahel semi-desert, Sahara sands, Savannah grassland, amphibious River Niger-Benue, River Yobe, Lake Chad waters, far remote borders, in all weather rain storm, sand storm, its IFV that can cover the whole of Nigeria and hold ground like garrison, defend small or big bases, secure cities, villages, etc. IFV is the magic system NA needs, with proper training & tactics we will secure the whole Nigeria with a cheap platform always available 24/7 with firepower that Boko ISW Bandit Herdsmen cannot survive.


Anyone who does not understand role and place of IFV in Nigeria's old outdated 1945 WW-II doctrine Army, he does not understand modern 2020 AD warfare in the land domain.

Lets not mislead with wrong thinking that has no technical foundations of how 21st century Armies that are balanced and effective, are structured according to universal military standards.

My few words on IFV & NA, country people I thank una for your contributions, everybody.

This is you just overhyping the worth of an IFV. IFV is not any magic weapon or a game changer, it's just an addition or rather an alternative. You can destroy a gun truck with 12.7mm RCWS(fire at the engine, take out the gunner, the driver and other occupants in the vehicle), the only difference is that the 30mm will burn them alive at the first or second burst.

In as much as I'm also a fan of an IFV and I will like the army to get some, It isn't going to change anything or win any war. We need to stop overhyping equipments just because we don't possess them.

Sizzorkay:
"Our target over the medium term is to grow our Revenue-to-GDP ratio from about 8 percent currently to 15 percent by 2025," said Buhari.

I pray so

There are some factors not taken into context here in respect to the IFVs discussion.

We need to first understand that IFVs will not change the guntruck(12.7mm) Vs guntruck (12.7mm) game cos majority of contacts made with BH are mostly during patrol missions and I'm 100% sure the army will barely use IFVs for patrol and even if they're used for patrol, there won't have enough for every patrol mission. Even the US that has lots of IFVs rarely use them for patrols.

So what this means is that the army will only be using these platforms for offensive operations which occurs once or twice in a year and probably for repelling attacks.
For Offensive operation, there would be platforms like the VT4 and ST1 tank dedicated to the operation and maybe the alternative to 30mm for the army is the 12.7mm RCWS on ST1 and VT4.

So buying IFVs is not going to change the firepower balance as most contact will be made during patrols and if you want to increase the firepower for patrol teams, just put 40mm AGL on an APC or Hilux in the convoy and you're good to go.

LTGEN:
Your are making sense however for Nigeria your figures for a standard NA battalion are off
NA BATTALION
SIZE :750+ MEN with approximately 70 officers starting from LT to a top rank of LT. Col.

70 officers in a battalion
I don't think that's accurate

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Roan77:
Nigeria Super Tucano firing hydra 70 rockets at a target.

Was this photo taken in Nigeria?

JohnEagle96:
If the BMP Terminator will be an overkill and it will rid off the guntrucks of iswap and bokoharam easily within comfortable kilometers for our troops, then it is okay.
As a matter of concern NA needs a dedicated IFV urgently.

You did not get his point. There are lots of IFVs that will perform the role of BMP terminator with respect to shelling of guntrucks at a lower cost, you don't need to buy terminator that's meant for tank support at a higher cost. That's waste of resources.

Dammysmart:
Boss honestly your first paragraph I’ve thought it over and over and it really dampens my morale and that of my boys many times. We are obviously fighting a fruitless war and we may continue in this vicious circle even regardless of change of govt.

Dont you think military take over might be the solution to this menace Honestly, the reasons for previous c*up was never aggravated to this present state we are in.

Your input sir

Nigeria is still battling with alot of ills caused by the military regime decades after and you're still thinking Military regime will bring a solution

Whyem15:
A credible source on Twitter gave the number of ISWAP fighters to be as high as 17,000.

In my own opinion, unless most of them are part-time fighters(more of civilians than fighters) we would have seen very large scale attacks on NA formation in the North East. We would have seen larger aggregation of the terrorists too which would have made it easier for the airforce to inflict a lot more damage on them. None of their propaganda videos has also indicated this.



Or maybe the bulk of their fighting force is made up of child soldiers. Especially with the way they force children and adolescents to join them. Consider reading the article written by Abbakar to know more about this.

https://fij.ng/article/i-did-it-to-survive-confessions-of-a-14-year-old-boko-haram-recruit-just-before-his-death/

You'll know this is incorrect if you judge from the numbers of fighters that attack when they are desperate for victory.

Most of these figures are mere assumptions.

lionel4power:
Personally, I feel this is a welcome change to the usual Ak-47 and Hilux special forces pictures always posted here. (No offence intended)

Many of us have been so engrossed in our various small wars and COIN operations that we've forgotten how conventional armies are equipped.

Oga relax, no be everything be competition.

Faithful007:
For what exactly? Why are you disturbed and agitated

You guys are derailing the thread and you're asking me why I'm disturbed.
There are tons of threads on here purposely made for your kind of discussion which you folks can take your ethnic and religious jargons to, why should it be here?

Please can someone help us call in the mods

What is it going to take you guys to create your own threads.

QuietMynd:

Not all muslim tho
It has to do with culture, when a culture supports fanaticism, that's what u get.
If not, why aren't Muslim from the south doing terrorism or supporting them.
When u have a Saudi Arabia kinda society u will get wat u have in the north.
The fanatism in the north is on another level, it only rival the ones in Saudi where public execution is the norm in the city square.

Sometimes I wonder the kind of weed people smoke in this part of the world.
The same Muslims or northerners that are being killed are the ones supporting terrorism?
How does sheikh Gumi represent millions of northerners but Sanusi or even Emir Sokoto doesn't

Xbee007:
They knew IPOB/ESN killed Chike Akinyili when they mistook him for a politician yet are somehow blaming herdsmen, the red pill is obviously difficult to swallow. I am just watching the cognitive dissonance in awe. It is amazing how people can be easily brainwashed when you appeal to their emotions.

Even in Nassarawa, the epicenter of banditry in Nigeria, bandits don't commit their crimes in public places. They always prefer secluded places and mostly under the cover of darkness, yet Dr Chike was murdered in broad day light with civilians watching and video taping the whole ordeal. When the man made several harrowing futile attempt to stand up with his dying breath, no one came to help him . Everyone was focused on getting the perfect gut wrenching video. The masses have been thoroughly brainwashed, truth is now secondary.

Nasarawa epicenter of banditry? Did you mean zamfara?

Whyem15:
Glad that the Army already ordered the Viper MRAP but to be frank, stanag level 1 isn't enough ballistic protection where the enemy has enough 12.7mm ammunitions and other armor piercing bullet callibres.

They could have shown the UAV too though,it would have been a great marketing opportunity.
They could have also mentioned their current production capacity, not just telling us they now produce the ARA faster, I will root for them more if I know they are capable of producing 20-25 per month.
The army for kukuma turn the place into another barracks with the way they've painted the whole place in their colors , no be only them be their partner now, but on a serious note I'm very glad with the support provided.
Government at all levels should also attempt to support the company and other indeginous companies too. For example, the 100 hectares could have been provided for free or at least at a subsidized rate. Tax holidays, grants and so on are also other ways by which we can support the company. On the part of the FG, they should focus on reactivation Ajaokuta, that alone is a great support they can render to the company.

According to defenceweb, their current ARA production capacity is 20 vehicles per month.

Chakib:
MI-24 MK III Super Hind - AAF

The 20mm turret magazine has 800 round capacity ?

Chakib?

Whyem15:
Could you back up the NASC Baga and Mallam fatori claims with a link or any other proof?

Read it properly bro
NASC mallam fatori,baga, NBLC is standing tall. Zulum relocated thousands back to Lake Chad but my oga says it's a known fact most of Lake Chad is governed by ISWAP.

Xbee007:
It is a known fact. How is that an exaggeration or can you mention parts of Lake Chad under government control?

Exactly it's a known fact that NASC baga has been dislodged, it's a known fact that NASC mallam fatori is under ISWAP control. It's a known fact that NBLC was donated to ISWAP. It's a known fact that borno state governor Zulum relocated thousands of residents into the hands of ISWAP in lake Chad.

jteku:
Guy cool down now,
this thread is for African Militaries not Algerian Military

He didn't stop you from posting yours man

SamuelAnyawu:
Most of the Lake Chad areas are Governed by ISWAP. Infact when ISWAP carried that ambush on Monguno road two weeks ago, they took some of the Soldiers caught alive to Kukawa market and shot them in the presence of Civilians.

Our Supercamps defensive strategy will not yield the desired results. We need a massive operation in LAC region

This your exaggeration again.

Whyem15:
I disagree with this, most of them come with hydraulic systems that can suspend them 3m or more above wherever they are mounted.

Well 3m is good if it's placed on 2m+ mrap. That would be suitable for borno's terrain.
The army has started this on some of their hilux tho.

The border surveillance project that was signed in 2019 still hasn't kicked off according to punch.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://punchng.com/n52bn-border-security-project-in-a-coma-two-years-after-contract-award/%3Famp&ved=2ahUKEwjop5n9xaLzAhWRAmMBHah8AmQQFnoECAgQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1B_8ggnuSmYn8xDdPcpULb&ampcf=1

Whyem15:
https://www.ascendentgroup.com/store/configure/Long%20Range%20Thermal%20Imager%20LRTI%20Night%20Vision%20Infrared%20Surveillance%20Vehicle%20Mobile%20Mounted%20Gyro%20Cam/364

Not a video but read through then search on YouTube.

Forget the stupid border wall sef, a few hundreds of these sensors and a highly mobile border guard/immigration officers/customs will stop most smuggling and illegal migration.

These are the things I've been advocating for all this while, I don't really know why it's that hard to achieve..

We don't need a wall, we can't even afford it but we can build a small fence or trenches just to make it hard for vehicles or motorcycles to cross easily which buys more time for the response unit. Secondly, building a wall will only radicalise the criminals and force them to learn and employ turnel strategies.

And the interesting thing part of it is that the northern border terrains are majorly flat terrain which makes it easy for the radars and cameras to capture a very long distance without obstruction like hills, mountains etc.

However, systems like this will not be suitable for detecting ambushes cos lack of elevation will reduce its ability.

Toju200:
The lighter version of the ARA mrap is almost ready it's called PF viper
Get ready people

Do you think Stagnag level 1 will be useful to the army

Whyem15:
APCs should fit that role with a reasonable quantity of MRAP. Maybe ration 3:1.
Proforce has nice APCs, even if it is the uparmored versions of the hilux to start with.
Making MRAP the standard will be too expensive and if we are being frank, the Army doesn't have such funds, especially when you consider their other needs like tanks, artilleries, fire support vehicles etc, the other corps such as engineering and signals also need heavy funding.
Also, I have heard rumors of troops complaining that the Ara is too heavy and too slow but 17tons, a max speed of 96km/hr (the guy in the video claimed Ara is 15tons with max speed of 110km but the website claims 17tons) , and an engine capacity of 400hp,is it too heavier or slower than most MRAPs in its class?
And mind you, Ara has Stanag level 3a and 3b ballistic and 4a and 4b mine protection.

Ara 1 is 17tons
Ara 2 is 15tons

Nemesis4you:
Sorry, will take it down

I should have double checked given the "source" on twitter

Should have known better

Anyways how you doing ?

this guy

Litmus:
No one expects patrols to cover all of Borno State, I for one thought that patrols are held in areas the military believe the enemy is extraordinarily active. For long stretches of roads, as you describe Maiduguri-monguno road that is presumably flanked by concealing vegetations, why would military vehicles prowl slowly along it, especially unprotected military vehicles and given the history of ambushes in the area?

You will move slowly simply because you're not only looking out for ambushes but also IEDs.

And for clarification, your speed doesn't really matter if an ambush is waiting for you. The only thing that can save you in an ambush is protected vehicles and/or situational awareness.

Tobiloba24072:
Truthfully after thinking things through, I don't think the tucano would change anything, because the executive still seems to be protecting certain interests. We would be at a stalemate thing another president comes in , and is ready to put a final full stop to insecurity, but this present set....they are blowing smoke wahala.

Air support is pretty much worthless in ambushes. The first few minutes is the main deal for the attackers. There's no way any air support will get to the action place within that short time, the deed would have already been done before the aircraft arrive.

Odunayaw:
3-4km apart? Let's be making informed opinions here na

Asin It's exhausting.