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Kassidy4luv: If only voting for him will liberate osun from Janjaweedism no wahala..........

biafran soul: Amen

I see some IGBO people here just supporting this man they know nothing about, all becuase he is a PDP member, please ask wht omisore did when he was first there as governor?...NOTHING and this is all PDP have to offer the people of OSUN? Olorun maje.

Lucky77: WHO KILLED BOLA IGE ??

Na him na....in conjunction with MR OBJ AND PDP has decided to recycle them

There is one question which I keep asking people, can one really take on PDP wiithout a vast treasurey?...CAPITAL NO.

Its so absurd to think one man would corner all this wealth for himself, they are shouting tinubu this and that, ask the PDP where they to get all the moneis they use in financing the parties activities . However the guy needs to allow for intenal democracy within the party, even if you want to select the best candidate for the party, negotiate , not impose. Without the advent of ACN/ APC, nigeria would be a party state whcih would definately do us no good

THE PERFECT REPLY TO THIS ARTICLE, READ THIS ONLINE A FEW DAYS AGO

Does Nigeria have an image problem?

ome years ago, a British filmmaker discovered an exotic site in Nigeria: An entire community of human beings subsisting on mountains of refuse. And not in some remote state, but in Lagos, the country's commercial nerve centre - a city of fast cars, luxury shops and sleek folk, with women in Brazilian hair weaves and men in Ferragamo shoes.
Shortly after the Welcome to Lagos series aired on the BBC in April 2010, Nigerians around the world went berserk.
"There was this colonialist idea of the noble savage which motivated the programme," Nobel laureate Wole Soyinka said of the documentary.

"It was patronising and condescending," he added.

But over five decades later, Nigerians remain in captivity: Foreigners control our self-image.

What the West thinks of us often takes manic precedence over who we really are, what we know and feel about ourselves.

The Europeans who first landed in Africa were unconcerned when the people they regarded as monkeys equally assumed that the white interlopers were ghosts.

The Germans can shrug it off when they are stereotyped as humourless; the Russians can dismiss it when they are described as cold.

But the Nigerian just has to kick up a tornado whenever he is perceived unpalatably.

He is touchy because he has no alternative image on which to base his confidence.

Like many Africans in the diaspora, a number of Nigerians abroad have erected careers out of defending their people's image.

With indignant frowns and stern tones, they strut from one global stage to the other like superintendents, dismantling stereotypes and whitewashing sepulchres.


Nigeria's High Commissioner to the UK Dalhatu Tafida described it as "a calculated attempt to bring Nigeria and its hard-working people to international odium and scorn".

Online forums also went ablaze. "They are giving us a bad image," many Nigerians fumed.

Then the Lagos State government submitted a formal complaint to the BBC, calling on the organisation to commission an alternative series to "repair the damage we believe this series has caused to our image".

These patriots were not distressed that their compatriots in the oil giant of Africa were living in such squalor - that development had somehow eluded those Nigerians.

They did not rally with cries of: "There are people in our country living like this? What shall we do? How fast can we act?"

No, no, no.
The majority of voices were harmonised in one tune: Anxiety over their country's image.

Similarly, Nigeria was reluctant to accept desperately needed foreign assistance to fight terrorism, despite the country's armed forces being clearly overwhelmed.

We were more worried about how requesting help might affect Nigeria's image than about forestalling the wanton destruction by the Islamist militant group Boko Haram.

In October 1960, Nigeria was loosed from the shackles of imperialism when the colonialists packed their bags and left.

This passion probably sprouts from a desire to blend into their host communities, to not be perceived as savages from some nihilistic jungle.

Unknowingly, they reinforce the subconscious message that has been passed down to generations of Nigerians and other Africans: That the West's opinion of us is paramount; that enlightening and convincing foreigners matters more than discerning who we are and who we want to be.

Fret and panic
And so, when the West claps for us, we get excited.

When they tell us off, we get upset.

When they applaud one of us, we automatically join in applauding the person.

We frantically monitor foreign opinions and we panic at the slightest hint of a negative perception of us.

We fret about the many uncomplimentary stories from our land making the rounds on international media circuits, more than about the actual negative circumstances that birth those narratives.

From politicians to intellectuals to entertainers to terrorists, Nigerians have been socialised to rate themselves in the light of Western perceptions.

And as some of us have discovered first hand, the most effective way to draw the attention of our own people to any issue, is to speak to them through a Western medium.

It is unhealthy for a people's self-image to be hinged almost entirely on outside forces.

Nigeria expends too much valuable energy on sweeping dirt under carpets and stuffing skeletons inside closets.

Consequently, we deny ourselves the opportunity of frank dialogue, cultural criticism and self-examination—processes that are vital for a society to advance, by which the imperious West itself has developed thus far.

Nigeria can lead the rest of Africa in freeing our people from this image bondage.[b]THE PERFECT REPLY TO THIS ARTICLE, READ THIS ONLINE A FEW DAYS AGO

Does Nigeria have an image problem?

ome years ago, a British filmmaker discovered an exotic site in Nigeria: An entire community of human beings subsisting on mountains of refuse. And not in some remote state, but in Lagos, the country's commercial nerve centre - a city of fast cars, luxury shops and sleek folk, with women in Brazilian hair weaves and men in Ferragamo shoes.
Shortly after the Welcome to Lagos series aired on the BBC in April 2010, Nigerians around the world went berserk.
"There was this colonialist idea of the noble savage which motivated the programme," Nobel laureate Wole Soyinka said of the documentary.

"It was patronising and condescending," he added.

But over five decades later, Nigerians remain in captivity: Foreigners control our self-image.

What the West thinks of us often takes manic precedence over who we really are, what we know and feel about ourselves.

The Europeans who first landed in Africa were unconcerned when the people they regarded as monkeys equally assumed that the white interlopers were ghosts.

The Germans can shrug it off when they are stereotyped as humourless; the Russians can dismiss it when they are described as cold.

But the Nigerian just has to kick up a tornado whenever he is perceived unpalatably.

He is touchy because he has no alternative image on which to base his confidence.

Like many Africans in the diaspora, a number of Nigerians abroad have erected careers out of defending their people's image.

With indignant frowns and stern tones, they strut from one global stage to the other like superintendents, dismantling stereotypes and whitewashing sepulchres.


Nigeria's High Commissioner to the UK Dalhatu Tafida described it as "a calculated attempt to bring Nigeria and its hard-working people to international odium and scorn".

Online forums also went ablaze. "They are giving us a bad image," many Nigerians fumed.

Then the Lagos State government submitted a formal complaint to the BBC, calling on the organisation to commission an alternative series to "repair the damage we believe this series has caused to our image".

These patriots were not distressed that their compatriots in the oil giant of Africa were living in such squalor - that development had somehow eluded those Nigerians.

They did not rally with cries of: "There are people in our country living like this? What shall we do? How fast can we act?"

No, no, no.
The majority of voices were harmonised in one tune: Anxiety over their country's image.

Similarly, Nigeria was reluctant to accept desperately needed foreign assistance to fight terrorism, despite the country's armed forces being clearly overwhelmed.

We were more worried about how requesting help might affect Nigeria's image than about forestalling the wanton destruction by the Islamist militant group Boko Haram.

In October 1960, Nigeria was loosed from the shackles of imperialism when the colonialists packed their bags and left.

This passion probably sprouts from a desire to blend into their host communities, to not be perceived as savages from some nihilistic jungle.

Unknowingly, they reinforce the subconscious message that has been passed down to generations of Nigerians and other Africans: That the West's opinion of us is paramount; that enlightening and convincing foreigners matters more than discerning who we are and who we want to be.

Fret and panic
And so, when the West claps for us, we get excited.

When they tell us off, we get upset.

When they applaud one of us, we automatically join in applauding the person.

We frantically monitor foreign opinions and we panic at the slightest hint of a negative perception of us.

We fret about the many uncomplimentary stories from our land making the rounds on international media circuits, more than about the actual negative circumstances that birth those narratives.

From politicians to intellectuals to entertainers to terrorists, Nigerians have been socialised to rate themselves in the light of Western perceptions.

And as some of us have discovered first hand, the most effective way to draw the attention of our own people to any issue, is to speak to them through a Western medium.

It is unhealthy for a people's self-image to be hinged almost entirely on outside forces.

Nigeria expends too much valuable energy on sweeping dirt under carpets and stuffing skeletons inside closets.

Consequently, we deny ourselves the opportunity of frank dialogue, cultural criticism and self-examination—processes that are vital for a society to advance, by which the imperious West itself has developed thus far.

Nigeria can lead the rest of Africa in freeing our people from this image bondage.[

I can smell my cash..ladbrookes go pay me today game in #TEAMFRANCE

Omo make france score make I go cash my winnings

But i though FFK in his interview with channels TV said this same man was the founder of BH

That interior minister is just a scam, could not even give a direct answer asked to him, just diverting the answers up and down

This is one thing people that understand about private and elite education. You create a good foundation to build your future success on. Look at it this way. There is every chance that students who go to that uni will also go to private universities like the CU's and Babcocks of this world, there is everychance most of them will school abroad , all along you make connections and friends for life. Most of them finish come back to Nigeria and get the top jobs every where, they have friends that they went to the same school with, they are all in the same social circles again, they give out contracts to each other, they pull strings for each other. Not saying its a guarantee for success but it is a good step

really wished I stayed back in Nigeria, so many opportunities to make money from students (Legally). I would like to think most students live a busy life and really dont have time on their hands e.g to cook. Simply open a take away and delivery shop to sell variety of food and snacks pizza kebab, burgers, add some nigerian elements to it as well. The late night studiers that are hungry can easily call in and order food or the late night party goers. However the nigerian factor is an hinderance....

THIS GUY SHOULD STOP WASTING MONEY AND START FOCUSING ON BEING THE LAST EXECUTIVE PRESIDENT OF THE FEDERAL REPUBLIC OF NIGERIA.........Pls initiate the CONFAB AND NATIONAL CONFERENCE LET EACH ZONE MANAGED THEMSELVES AND THEIR RESOURCES

Who the heck picks out clothe for that boy?..plus with all that money you would think they would get him a personal trainner and make effective use of the gym in the state house. That gym must be lying fallow....waste of resources.

People have not really stopped and had a second thought on why there is so much lack of funding especially in the tertiary institutions. Its because students dont pay enough. 100k for three years whts that ? and you expect high quality education. Even in foreign countries, most tertiary institutions are funded by student fees and not government allocation. Take for the UK where even home students pay about £9000 per year which is excluding accommodation and cost of living which is roughly about 2million naira or America which is more expensive and not to talk of Intl students. With this fees the quality of education can improve as there is more funding for research, infrastructural development, training and development for the staff and for the university to implement any initiative it want. This is why ASUU can strike for as long as they want because of continuous dependence on government for funding.

HISTORY NEEDS TO BE A COMPULSORY SUBJECT IN THIS COUNTRY..............IF we do not know does who campaigned for us to be an independent country then what else are we meant to know...I can accept ZIK, but GEJ?......Seriously?....this people need to stopp butt kissing this guy, so many sycophants in this government today..................GEJ?..MANDELA?.........What has he even done for his people in Bayelsa state ?

ONE THING IS FOR SURE THO. HISTORY NEVER LIES....SO PEOPLE CAN SAY ALLL THEY WANT TO SAY HISTORY KNOWS THOSE WHO CAN BE CALLED OR NAMED THE MANDELA OF NIGERIA.

The Renault-Nissan Alliance and Stallion Group sign Memorandum of Understanding for vehicle assembly in Lagos
Nissan to become the first major global auto manufacturer to assemble vehicles in Nigeria following legislation change
Potential to develop plant into a major manufacturing hub for Nissan in Africa
LAGOS, Nigeria (9 October 2013) - Today Nissan and West African conglomerate Stallion Group announced their intention to jointly launch vehicle assembly in Nigeria.

The announcement is in expectation of final approval by the Federal Government of the new Automobile Industrial Policy, designed to encourage development of the auto industry in Nigeria, and would see Nissan become the first major international manufacturer to launch vehicle assembly in the country following the new legislation.

The parties have signed a Memorandum of Understanding which will result in Stallion – already Nissan's exclusive distributor in Nigeria - increasing capacity at its existing plant, VON Automobile Ltd in Lagos.

Stallion currently produces commercial vehicles at the facility. The plant's annual capacity will be expanded to 45,000 units to assemble a range of cars, light duty trucks, pickups and vans. Full details of the product lineup will be confirmed at a later date, however it is anticipated the first product to be introduced will be the iconic Nissan Patrol SUV in spring 2014.

Capacity at the plant will also be opened to Nissan's Alliance partner Renault, to be utilized according to future business needs.

Nissan President and CEO, Carlos Ghosn, said: “We welcome the proactive measures being taken by the Government of Nigeria to encourage inward investment and job creation driven by local auto manufacturing. Together with our local partner, Nissan is preparing to make Nigeria a significant manufacturing hub in Africa. As the first-mover in Nigeria, we are positioned for the long-term growth of this market and across the broader continent."

Sunil Vaswani, Chairman of Stallion Group said “The new automotive policy spearheaded by His Excellency The President and Commander–in-Chief of Armed Forces of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, Dr Goodluck Jonathan, and the Honorable Minister Olusegun Aganga is a laudable Government initiative aimed at making Nigeria the regional leader in the industry. Our group is committed to invest in a fully integrated automobile industry that fosters the creation of several ancillary industries with associated socio-economic benefits." He added: “We value our partnership with Renault and Nissan immensely and are aiming to deliver their world class expertise to Nigeria."

Nissan in Africa:
Nissan is positioned for significant future growth in Africa as part of its mid-term business strategy. By FY 2016 the company is aiming to double annual sales on the continent, up from 110,000 units at the end of FY 2012. To help achieve this, a number of new models have already been confirmed including an all-new pickup truck which will be produced locally by Nissan at its plant in Rosslyn, Pretoria and the launch of the Datsun brand in South Africa before the end of FY 2014.

About The Renault-Nissan Alliance:
The Renault-Nissan Alliance is a strategic partnership between Paris-based Renault and Yokohama, Japan-based Nissan, which together sell one in 10 cars worldwide. The companies, which have been strategic partners since 1999, sold 8.1 million cars in nearly 200 countries in 2012. In addition to AVTOVAZ, the Alliance operates strategic collaborations with automakers including Germany's Daimler, China's Dong Feng, and India's Ashok Leyland.

http://www.nissan-global.com/EN/NEWS/2013/_STORY/131009-01-e.html

idupaul: Jonathan is a dreamer if you think Nissan is going to open an assembly plant run with Generators then you must be Joking .

Oh yes they are......another plus for this regime,

Nissan and Stallion Group to Start Auto Assembly in Nigeria

The Renault-Nissan Alliance and Stallion Group sign Memorandum of Understanding for vehicle assembly in Lagos
Nissan to become the first major global auto manufacturer to assemble vehicles in Nigeria following legislation change
Potential to develop plant into a major manufacturing hub for Nissan in Africa
LAGOS, Nigeria (9 October 2013) - Today Nissan and West African conglomerate Stallion Group announced their intention to jointly launch vehicle assembly in Nigeria.

The announcement is in expectation of final approval by the Federal Government of the new Automobile Industrial Policy, designed to encourage development of the auto industry in Nigeria, and would see Nissan become the first major international manufacturer to launch vehicle assembly in the country following the new legislation.

The parties have signed a Memorandum of Understanding which will result in Stallion – already Nissan's exclusive distributor in Nigeria - increasing capacity at its existing plant, VON Automobile Ltd in Lagos.

Stallion currently produces commercial vehicles at the facility. The plant's annual capacity will be expanded to 45,000 units to assemble a range of cars, light duty trucks, pickups and vans. Full details of the product lineup will be confirmed at a later date, however it is anticipated the first product to be introduced will be the iconic Nissan Patrol SUV in spring 2014.

Capacity at the plant will also be opened to Nissan's Alliance partner Renault, to be utilized according to future business needs.

Nissan President and CEO, Carlos Ghosn, said: “We welcome the proactive measures being taken by the Government of Nigeria to encourage inward investment and job creation driven by local auto manufacturing. Together with our local partner, Nissan is preparing to make Nigeria a significant manufacturing hub in Africa. As the first-mover in Nigeria, we are positioned for the long-term growth of this market and across the broader continent."

Sunil Vaswani, Chairman of Stallion Group said “The new automotive policy spearheaded by His Excellency The President and Commander–in-Chief of Armed Forces of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, Dr Goodluck Jonathan, and the Honorable Minister Olusegun Aganga is a laudable Government initiative aimed at making Nigeria the regional leader in the industry. Our group is committed to invest in a fully integrated automobile industry that fosters the creation of several ancillary industries with associated socio-economic benefits." He added: “We value our partnership with Renault and Nissan immensely and are aiming to deliver their world class expertise to Nigeria."

Nissan in Africa:
Nissan is positioned for significant future growth in Africa as part of its mid-term business strategy. By FY 2016 the company is aiming to double annual sales on the continent, up from 110,000 units at the end of FY 2012. To help achieve this, a number of new models have already been confirmed including an all-new pickup truck which will be produced locally by Nissan at its plant in Rosslyn, Pretoria and the launch of the Datsun brand in South Africa before the end of FY 2014.

About The Renault-Nissan Alliance:
The Renault-Nissan Alliance is a strategic partnership between Paris-based Renault and Yokohama, Japan-based Nissan, which together sell one in 10 cars worldwide. The companies, which have been strategic partners since 1999, sold 8.1 million cars in nearly 200 countries in 2012. In addition to AVTOVAZ, the Alliance operates strategic collaborations with automakers including Germany's Daimler, China's Dong Feng, and India's Ashok Leyland.

http://www.nissan-global.com/EN/NEWS/2013/_STORY/131009-01-e.html

It not that hard, In the advent of Nigeria breaking up. Firstly there should be a proper census in each newly formed country, proper registration on indigenous citizens and immigrants. Immigrants with significant level of investment and contribution to the local economy may be allowed to stay if they so wish likewise those of them that are highly skilled in some certian aspects. The rest im sorry would have to be deported back to their country ......arewa republic, or People republic of Biafra.

Its situations like this that lay bad precedents, if it happens to another minister now from another region and such a person is fired, people would referr back to this. Why not just let the case die out slowly as it was already doing .

THE EAGLE HAS LANDED!!.............ARIK IS STILLL THE BEST OPTION

http://news.sky.com/story/1170157/emirates-airlines-in-boeing-and-airbus-spree

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/17/us-airshow-dubai-idUSBRE9AF0DF20131117

cHAI AND MY OWN COUNTRY IS REPAIRING AND SPRAY PAINTING!!

People not better be fooling themselves. Firstly these are private investors and not government building those houses hence they want returns on it.....those pics you put up on Nigeria, how many people can afford, the a very tiny percentage of the lagos population. Same goes to the ones in Angola a large percentage of the populace cannot afford them, they were mostly built for expats who were working in the oil industry in Angola

Def kukere had a much global audience than do me...........anyday anytime but situations were different when both were realeased

now thats this spirit, rather than importing this things at a much higher cost,,, we can assemble them here!!....HATS OF TO MR CHIKA

Sheeple: What is the correlation between the topic and this nonsense? Waivers for car import by a car dealer correlates with raw materials in your blinkered brain, yes?

What did you score in your last IQ test?

120 the last time i checked.....Pls take your time to read the main article on the first page Thank you

Wonder what all this noise and argument is about. Its simple and plain economics: IF THE PRIVATE SECTOR CANNOT SOURCE THEIR RAW MATERIALS WITHIN NIGERIA, WHY NOT MAKE IT CHEAPER FOR THEM TO IMPORT, IT REDUCES THEIR COST STRUCTURE BY A LENGHT. IN THE END THIS BUSINESSES DO WELL, GOVERNMENT GET THEIR TAX. ITS PLAIN AND SIMPLE. AS HARD AS IT IS TO DO BUSINESS IN NIGERIA, THIS GOES A LONG WAY IN HELPING FIRMS. so lets stop all this APC and PDP bullshit

Younng Nigerians need to start discussing and looking at issues on a wider plain, think outside the box, everything aint about tribe or politics, it is this private sector that will still employ most of YOU

I wish people could really study and know more about their economics before comparing Nigeria and Angola!!!

Trust me your better of living in Lagos than in Luanda............way way better off, that all that matters

nnenna.1:
And it's not like the average Angolan is better off economically than the average Nigerian!

Nigerian architects and project planners simply have no taste! Just gaudy, lopsided, sparsely distributed and CHEAP looking buildings all around!

Ghanaians are guilty of this too. In short West African countries fall my hand for that one.

First of all thats their oil dollar working well for them, which is very goods for them as there has been increased chinese investment in Angolas infrastructure. Trust me most of those building either lie empty or are occupied by expatriates. The average citizen of that country cannot afford those houses. They are one of the most expensive real estate on the continent. One good thing going for them is that the population is not as large as that of lagos hence its easy to plan. LUANDA IS OUR ABUJA.......ABJ has its good side and bad likewise Angola.....one thing they have in common is the ridiculous real estate prices.

In as much as many Nigerians do not like or respect this man....trust me if you dnt want him...other nations do they respect him for what he has done for the financial industry in this country...........

kandiikane: So, after banning, are they going to open up a "special school" to help those unable to pass?

lol... They should go and learn trade Nigeria is in dear need of more mechanics, carpenters, plumbers, hairstylist, gardeners, skilled drivers, electricians, skilled bricklayers, They can serve their country join the armed forces....God there are lots of options in Nigeria ooo everybody cannot be accountant or doctor or lawyer

divinelove: Falana seems to b seeking for sth to keep him in the pages of newspaper. y dt special interest in this, bc it involves a gov abi. Nw this woman is mentally challenged, y dnt u allow d families involved to take care of their own. Leave human rights out of this one, human right is nt applicable to mad ppl abeg

I really have no words for this your statement other than "IGNORANCE IS BAD, IT KILLS"

Gbawe: That is the crux of the matter but don't expect this prejudiced and ethnocentric individual to understand what you are saying. See how he even alludes to your "comrades", as in fellow Yorubas, because it is always about playing the ethnic card for them. These sort are just bigotry and clannishness personified. They have totally and nauseatingly ethnicised the Presidency of GEJ whereas no such thing existed under OBJ and Yar Adua who were heavily and mercilessly criticized also. The proven actions and inactions of GEJ that has worsened things for Nigeria are not something any of us made up yet some will begin talking of Lagos/Yoruba media when he is rightly criticized for that.

Was it the Yorubas who forced GEJ to shamelessly bin the recommendations of the Ribadu petroleum task force and then unleash Okupe and co on a vindictive mission to denigrate Ribadu?

Did GEJ not set up the Danjuma-led PAC? I.e Presidential advisory committee? What did GEJ do when that committee asked GEJ, as a matter of urgency, to cut waste, bloated governance and profligacy? He disbanded the committee and announced glibly to the world that "leaner Government not possible" !!!! Those are the sort of things, too many to list, that gets GEJ criticized by myself and others !!! Nothing at all to do with ethnicity. Yet it is a damn shame that, day in day out, some will still never gain the reasonable mind to note that no lies are told against GEJ. He has actually worsened things for Nigeria with his actions and inaction. All the talks of previous President and previous problems are the same bullcrap jingoist hide behind to validate their clannish support of GEJ.

Holding leaders to account is actually very easy for a sophisticated polity. For example, if you asked sensible folks from a sensible Country what their President has done to cut bloated governance they should be able to say such without equivocation. They should be able to point to cuts, reduced waste and a leaner, more efficient ways with which things are being done !!!

Ask Nigerians the same. A critic of government will rightly point to GEJ buying 3 planes at a cost of $151 million to add to a fleet of 7. Many will note that corruption is hideous under GEJ who is running "a scam a day" Government !!!! They will reason correctly that the crazy decision to hand pipeline protection contracts to former militants is the reason oil theft is now at an all time high !!!! They will tell you GEJ can never claim ignorance of the fuel subsidy scam since it is the FG and NNPC that issued fuel marketers licence to the scammers in the first place !!! They will highlight that the NNPC is unreformed and still the worthlessly corrupt and inefficient parastatal costing Nigeria a fortune. Folks will factually point to the lack of cost-cutting anywhere and show that there is no difference at all to the hideous profligacy and bloated governance that has always existed. Etc, etc, etc, etc !!!! In short things are worse because GEJ has not tried to do anything differently to how things have been done previously to get Nigeria where she is today !!! What do these critics then get for that truthful take on affairs? You guessed it. Accusations of "Yoruba/Hausa/Fulani haters". Absolutely sick to death of these people and I actually regret sharing a nation with such backward folks who are always sentimental and perpetually unable to confront facts.

You have said it all and this aint making the situation any better for Nigeria when the President cannot be questioned without certian ppl bringing the tribal issue up, it just lays a bad precedent for future leadership and further divides the country as we can see now. Certain people cannot be not be held accountable without some people defending their shortcoming all because they are from the same tribe.