₦airaland Forum

gregyboy:
You need prayer, you shouldn't make biafra you should be left in the north after its emancipation now i agree with Yujin on all he said i dont think you're igbo you must be from the north
You lie through your teeth if i could block peeps on nairaland you will be the very first nairaland i block,
Nothing you will say on nairaland again both on culture thread and off culture thread would i take serious you lie to yourself, you should be feared


You're a northern i can see through your message

Now watch him avoid you. Fulanis thrives in putting a wedge among neighbouring tribes so they can easily have their way against each of them. It has been working for them for long. Do your research about the fulanis' foray into northern Nigeria and you'll be amazed at the type of people the people of Nigeria are playing with. They fear the Igbos so much because we're the backbone stopping them from taking over Nigeria.
His other names are Meles-Zenawi, Julius-Malema and a few others I can't remember now but I always notice his signature when he uses any moniker.

Tranquill:
Yes it's all about your Biafran agenda and not genuine conviction that Ikwerre is Igbo. You need a platform to keep you attached with the South South.

You don't want to be in Nigeria but want to force yourself on the minorities because you feel you'll be in a position to do what you are accusing the northerners of doing and even worse. All those people you mentioned should also decide who they are and where they want to belong. Countries are not formed strictly by lumping the same ethnicity under one umbrella. Luxembourg, Switzerland, Lichtenstein, Belgium and some other European countries still have native French and Germans but they are in different countries. Start your Biafra with your 5 Eastern states or even a few local government areas first then when you turn it to your Dubai as you claim, the rest of Nigeria and not just the South South will beg you to join.

We don't listen to the suggestions of our enemies.

SaintBishop:
Nope it is not the same ikwerred denial being Igbo's.

Kalabari and co never denial being ijaws.

As for the language can an ebony man understand the language of an IMO state or anambra man?
Seeing as they don't understand each other that means Ebony people are are not Igbos.

Do not put your mouth in what you know nothing about. Have you ever in your life go to Ebonyi to listen to how they speak?

spiritmasquerad:
I understand were u are coming from, I am anioma and from Idumuje-Unor and when i ask myself this question the only similarity with Igbo my community have is language nothing more

There are more similarities than you know for now because you don't even know the culture and traditions east of the Niger. You can visit their during ceremonies and festivities to observe for yourself. What are the common proverbs particularly from your town? Say them here and see that majority are found in almost all other Igbo clans.

Igboid:
Where are you from?

Let's start from there.

He can't answer that question.

nengibo:
Etche to me is a pure Igbo group, there dialect is no different from Aba people, Ikwerre identity on the other hand is understandable because of the heavy mixture with Ijaw groups like Kalabari and Okrika their language shows more difference than other igboid groups

Lol. What makes Kalabari to be Ijaw? Do they speak like Ijaws from Bayelsa? What about the Andonis? Do an Ijaw from Bayelsa understand him when he speaks? Yet you can call all of these groups Ijaw but want to call Ikwerres something else from Igbo. It is that same similarity that connects Kalabari to Ijaws in Bayelsa that connects Ikwerre to other Igbo clans.

kingzizzy:
In other words, if the Ngwa man chooses himself as Ngwa and not Igbo, he stops being Igbo. If the Nsukka man decides to identify as Nsukka and not Igbo, he stops being Igbo. Any community can choose when and when not to be Igbo just by rejecting being Igbo.

If my community rejects being Igbo and identify as Japanese, everyone should respect their right to be Japanese. Lol

Nice questions. They think we're naive like them.

Igboid:
Lies!

Ezeh Obi Ossai of Aboh kingdom was the first Igbo king that met the British, and he clearly told them he and his people were Eboes and that the rest of the Eboes were across the Niger.
Simon Jonas an Igbo slave from Sierra Leone served as the interpreter between Ezeh obi Ossai of Aboh and the British.
The British even named Aboh as Eboe town and many speculate that the usage of Eboe to refer to all other Igbo speaking clans was forged and given birth to by the whites at Aboh. Once they started calling Aboh Eboe town, they decided that everyone else who spoke similar dialects as Aboh was Eboe.

Below is a link to colonial report on visit to Aboh and encounter between Ezeh Obi ossai, his son Chukwuma and the British colonial masters.
http://www.archive.org/stream/narrativeofexped01alle/narrativeofexped01alle_djvu.txt

Unlike other lying Igboid groups. Aboh history was well documented by the British, so it would be so hard for you lots to change history overnight.

Ukwuani happily identified as Igbo until 1970. That's the truth.

Oh so you know this yet you still occasionally accord some confused people from certain quarters cook up rubbish about Ukwuani here? All the Igbo clans will be referred to as Igbos by me until a referendum is done and they vote against Igbo consensus. Thereafter their fate will be sealed. Until then, certain elements no matter how influential they be will not make me reject the whole clan. Not to talk of the many serpents here from the Wastelands camouflaging as members of those clans. I won't pay attention to all those.

bizzibodi:
So Bubu has d strength to visit Mali.

The people of Nigeria are either suffering from selective amnesia or are overtly foolish. The body double Buhari went to Mali because fulanis are being handled properly there. The other tribes give fulanis doubt trouble for any one they bring. Fulanis are losing big time there hence the fulani elites from Nigeria sent him there to speak for their people. That is the only peace that makes sense to fulanis. When their people are dying more in numbers, it is then they seek peace. Here in Nigeria, they're winning hence no need for peace. Thousands will be killed before the end of this year to confirm what I'm saying. No fulani will talk about peace as long as they're winning.
Don't just agree with me... Google about the fights in Mali to understand better.
I hope the biased murderator won't delete this post too.

ebbo:
U call SK people "peace" loving people? U don't know what u re saying my friend. Get out.

I know how you guys reason. Southern Kaduna people just like the people of plateau are peaceful. Fulanis will cry their eyes out if one of theirs is accidentally killed but will kill hundreds without any iota of human feelings. Even if they burnt those huts, it's simply being proactive. Have they ever travelled to any fulani territory to attack them? You can only fool people here on nairaland who don't know the reality on ground. Fulanis are blood suckers as their ancestors who pillaged the middlebelt 200yrs ago and sold the people into slavery. Is So Rufai today not forcing emirates on the Southern Kaduna people? You terrorists will be fed your own flesh in due time. We're taking note of all the killings.

Hedonisco:
Alert me when busty, young, nubile maidens protest topless anywhere in Nigeria, even in Kafanchan. I will generously support their movement. Forget all these shrivelled l, flat-chested rural mamas.

I can't believe what I'm reading here. Tufiakwa!

isaacprinz:
Borno state is far worse, a lot of blood spilling in the north God pls help Nigeria.

God wants to help Nigeria by dividing her but most of you are blind to see. What next will happen before you guys know that your lives worth nothing in Nigeria?

kestolove95:
Ashawo women see as Dem expose Dem body, people mama ND grand mama

Wow. Just see the total lack of empathy! Wow.

flokii:
Did you know that Ironsi and Ojukwu were ready to quickly execute the Niger Delta soldiers caught fighting for their liberation while Nzeogwu and other Ironsi's boys that took part in the bloody coup on our democracy were left untouched and even given heroes treatment in detention?

We must not forget so soon, the real perpetrators of hate, discord and bitterness in this country. SS people better wake up and see that the we SS/SE rhetoric is a plot to dominate Niger Delta and take over her resources.

Lol. It's been 60yrs since the end of the Biafran war. Who is eating the resources now? Fulani plus their Yoruba slaves. Hahahaha... Only fools listen to such fabricated tales.

Racoon:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/punchng.com/buhari-says-killers-of-borno-aid-workersll-face-law-shehu/%3famp=1

Hahahahaha... what if they repent; will they still face the law?

NwaAro:
This video is for the misguided Igbo agents of delusion still singing the anthem of "2023 is time for Igbo presidency" una dey fool una sef cause power is going back to the North come 2023, well this is a quick memo to you guys: We don't need no useless presidency!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZDTMShwA1w

Well said! Igbo political elites are yet to figure out the game maybe because of greed or due to ignorance. Who in his right mind should be discussing about being the president when you clearly will be frustrated and rendered useless? They've forgotten how GEJ was really battled until his wife even cried openly on the media. Even Goodluck himself seem to have forgot that they fought and ensured he didn't have the peace to carry out his plans. Nigeria was designed to fail and it has failed woefully. The more it lingers, the more destruction it does to its inhabitants. Some southern elites know this but because they're scared to be involved in the fight to free their people, they just shut their mouth and join in the loot. All of them will regret their present silence soon. Who would believe that the men held in who were once held in high esteem will have their statues brought down by mind in USA and even other western countries? It is the cries of their victims that have been heard. The actions they committed 100s of years ago are been condemned today. You elites who know the truth but remain shut will be condemned soon and no one will have any good memory of you.

Afam4eva:
Nobody would have known that there's any grouip called Ikwerre except for people who live or have lived in Rivers state. Igbos made Ikwerre popular by constantly trying to force them to be what they say they are not. I knew Ikwerre because i lived in PH when i was much younger.

Chai, why do you write like this? Who's forcing an Igbo group to be Igbo?

Francis95:
I am Igbo from Anambra. I only got to know that there are tribes called Etche, Ikwerre and Ekpeye because I am schooling in Uniport. Here in Onitsha nobody knows what is Ikwerre or Etche.

Welcome on board. You may need to study the history of the clans you mentioned before making any argument with them.

Dedetwo:
At Ozuzu yet people from Ozuzu , Etche pay annual homage to Umuneoha in Mbaitolu, LGA as their ancestral home and the place where the deity originated.

Speaking of Umunneoha, is it where the famous Igwekala shrine is located? If it is, is it connected with the popular Amadioha?

Oghene1st:
Isoko was part of Urhobo until 1957 when Chief James Otobo influenced the creation during his tenure in Western House of Assembly, Ibadan.

Even till now, you won't hear any Isoko song without adding Urhobo to it. like 'Isoko and Urhobo' which shows that they still recognise the unity then. But still yet, Urhobo nor carry am for head like una Igbos. Igbos for worst pass white for colonialism.

You can still pass your message without throwing jibes at Igbos.

Igboid:
Let me give you an insider information. The current Igbanke mainstream are breaking away from Ika tag. Their politicians and their lackeys in Edo government led by Gloria Adagbon are pushing for establishment of Igbanke ethnic nationality, distinct from Ika.

The idea is that claiming Ika is making them outsiders in Edo state, and tha their claims to Ika doesn't sit well with the Binis whose Bininization drive on Igbanke are on steroids.
Igbankes also feel left out and not being carried along by Ikas in Delta state.

So any Igbanke that tells you he is Igbanke, is actually political. Because that's the current political decision of the people. The apolitical ones among them will tell you that they are Ika.

Ok. At least the Ika nationality proponents will understand what pan-Igbo nationalists are saying.

[quote author=Oghene1st post=91975453][/quote]I've met an Okpe guy who told me he's not Urhobo. I asked him what the difference was and he couldn't give me any clear answer. Personally, I see both Isokos and Urhobos as the same people. After reading a lengthy piece from Obaro Ikime on the subject matter, all I could get is just the overbloated need for recognition of clan identity mostly for political expediency. It was difficult for me to understand why a brilliant Professor like him will stick to the dichotomy but then it's non of my business.
One thing all these tribes in the South are doing don't know is that they appear foolish before others just because of leadership failure. No big tribe is made up of one clan. Even the Jews who could trace their history to one man- Abraham later became 12 tribes of Israel with dialectical differences. Remember the 'Sibboleth and Shibboleth' story they used to identify one specific tribe? Even they later had the Samaritans different from the Jews but today the story has changed. They're looking all over the world for their people with a DNA match to claim. No more you're this or that.
When danger lurks, all these divisions will cease.

Blackking98:
Good luck to biafra too bro.

Thanks.

kollinzgee:
So this thing is everywhere I notice the itshekiris too deny yorubas even though the similarity is 90%.

Itsekiris are quite different from Yorubas and they've always been like that for over 200 yrs now. They're among the first people to meet the European explorers and their history is clear enough. In the 60s when a vote was cast to remain with the Yorubas or move to Midwest, they choose to leave the Yorubas clearly because they're not Yorubas. Their language is Yoruboid though.

Etinosa1234:
Yeah..they clearly don't wanna be associated with the South east for reasons I don't know...

One was bearing a Benin surname and an Igbo Middle name...

I asked him weda he was Benin...No
what of Igbo....No

Wetin he come be.... Igbanke...

Omo...I Jus weak

You can't blame them. Politics is very tough and the first thing for any specie to consider is survival. He's clearly apolitical hence he said he's Igbanke. If he's a bit political, he'd have said 'he's Ika' because that's a better group name to use in identification. If he was very political and know his history well, he'll tell you he's Igbo. So don't blame him.
Let me ask you. If you see someone from Oza-nogogo with an Edo name, will he easily tell you that he's Bini? Oza-nogogo is in Ika North-East near Agbor.

Blackking98:
You're referring to your anioma brothers and igbos in the SS so I know what you're saying.
I'm now telling you that ijaws, ibibios, urhobo,etc if by chance we agree to form Niger Delta republic we'd love to form it without aniomas or other Igbo groups in the SS. Read and understand

Agreed 100%. My advice is to start pushing for it at present. Nigeria is dead already. Don't foot drag about it. Good luck on your Niger Delta republic.

OfoIgbo:
And the current Ohanaeze secretary general is an Ikwerre man.

I'm not trying to force the Ikwerres into the Igbo group though

No one is forcing anyone to be Igbo. You don't choose your ethnic origin. You can choose what group you identify with though. Today, the opportunities that come with identifying as Igbo is so enormous that any Igbo clan that does otherwise will be suffocating itself. The few Ikwerres that have left Rivers state will easily see this just like Amaechi. Even outside Nigeria, all these Igbo clans easily blend in and make things easier for themselves. Only local folks domiciled entirely in Rivers still revel in those post Biafran war tales of survival. Igbos have risen to success all over the world through sheer hardwork and the grace of God. It's obvious and audible to all. Therefore, our saying that Ikwerres are Igbos isn't borne out of anything apart from ancestry and language. For God sake, what do I gain from claiming Ikwerres are Igbos? Nothing. It doesn't put food on my table nor open doors for me. Why didn't I claim the same for Ogonis and Andonis? Simply because they're not Igbos. The Kalabaris despite the level of intermarriage are still not called Igbos because they're not.

EagleNest:
The most deceitful media assistant I have ever seen including his brother Femi. Painting red as white and blue as black. Many have been slaughtered and this cycle still goes on. Do we really have a living president?

Lol. Garba was paired with Femi to learn work and he's really doing 'well'. However, the truth is very clear to everyone. From Plateau through Benue, Nassarawa, Kaduna. Not to forget similar killings in Adamawa, Taraba and other parts of the south. Too many orphans, widows and widowers already no thanks to the vampirès from the Sahel. It's too late to change the narrative now.

Tranquill:
So saying 'I am not Igbo' ='I hate Igbo'
Bro, you are very intelligent.

You can remove your cap, kneel down and beg him to say he's not Igbo. Maybe then he can change his mind. Typical of slimy creatures.

OfoIgbo:
The bolded is further proof that you are still Yoruba instead of a southern minority.

Ikwerres and Etches claim that their ancestor was a man named AKALAKA, who came from Benin.
Akalaka is not a Bini word. The name is an Igbo word which means DESTINY.

Eventually NRI people will help decipher the extent of ana Igbo

Lol. The criminal you quoted is so dumb not to know that he's dancing naked at the market place. I wonder why anyone will not sniff him out.

IkwerrePikin:
I doubt if you are Etche because as a Rivers man from Ikwerre, i know and have etchie friends who know their history which is not related to Igbo.

If you are truly etche then you’re a disgrace to etchie people. You went to the university in Lagos, instead of you to form your cultural group, you decided to join igbo cultural group. The etches in Rivers state universities do they have their own cultural group or join the igbos? Of course they have their own cultural group in Rivers state universities but yet you went to Lagos to betray your people that is why i doubt if you’re truly Etche.

Another thing is that, you lack true history. If you don’t know your history, then you don’t know where you come from, and that is your problem.

Ikwerre,Ekpeye, Ogba and Etche people are not Igbos and have never been Igbos.

But Chibuike Amaechi said he has Igbo heritage. What's your response on that issue?

Afam4eva:
I've always maintained the fact that people are who they say they are whether or not they're playing politics with it and that is why for a while now i've come to accept Ikwerres as a distinct ethnic group because they're far gone and nothing can make them Igbo again. Infact, some of them have resorted to lies just to push this non-Igbo narrative but it's still acceptable, afterall there are are ethnic groups in other parts of the world that have similar language and culture.

Now for other Igboid groups in Rivers and Delta States especially Etche/Omuma, Ndoki, Aniocha/Oshimili, i've always wondered why they would deny being Igbo when they're the most Igbotic of the Igboid groups in Delta and Rivers state. For some reason, i can give a pass to Ikwerre, Ekpeye, Ukwuani, Ika and Ndoni but the former groups i mention are unmistakably Igbo and not just because of language and culture but because they are contiguous with Igboland and if not for state creation that took them to a different state, they would have naturally been in either Abia/Imo or Anambra.

I like the fact that the OP opened his mind and did his research and come to a logical conclusion which is what many people cannot do because they want to take their current narrative to the grave. Even though i don't think you need a research to see that you are Igbo. By your language and the culture/traditions you practice, it should be seld evident.

I've known you for long on nairaland and have understood your position on this issue. I just want you to always bear in mind whatever you're writing here doesn't go down well with a lot of evil minded people when it is pan-Igbo. Stop trying to be academic for anyone. No Igbo clan is more Igbo than the other and the only group that can be considered Igboid is Ekpeye. The Ukwuanis you see are one of the most famous Igbo clans of old that European explorers met and interviewed their Obi at Aboh yet you're referring to them as 'Igboid'. The Ika that you speak of is one of the strongest Igbo clan I've studied so far. Despite their proximity to Benin, their language structure remained Igbo with dilutions of bini words. They have the Ikenga cult and the wooden statues are clearly similar to those East of the Niger. What makes them Igboid? Nothing. The Ndonis are just an extension of the Ukwuanis just like Oguta people in Imo. The Ikwerres are also not Igboid. Their dialect is clear enough to make them just another clan. The bini story is very ridiculous as not a single thing connects them to Bini. Their denial like OP said was for survival so that the leeches nearby won't have to claim their land. It will be nice if you can see it this way; always maintain their Igbo ancestry no matter what and discuss their politics as the case may be when the need arise. Don't dance to the tune of our numerous enemies. All Igbo clans remain Igbo despite their denials. Fulanis will still call a similar traditional tribe in far Senegal thousands of kilometres away as fulani but you're calling a contiguous Ikwerreland a lost case. I wonder how some us do things. So because one of your brothers decided for any reason to deny your family, hence you'll join as say likewise of him? Let's think and write bearing a lot in mind.
Udo nwanna.