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truthislight: which of this aspects you have mention involves worshiped?

Grow up guy.

You assume everything have to do with worship. That's very wrong.

If growing up equates to senility, am comfortable with my current status jare

truthislight: pick another day, d what exactly?

Worship the spirit charge of that day in the form of "birth day" celebrations?

You think the pegan were fools? No.

They did every thing to please theirgods = Demons.

Which spirit is in charge of that day self? You don dey conjure strange theories here o! How do you worship? Is it by cooking and chopulating special birthday rice & chicken?

truthislight: well then, continue with your celebration and lets see what happens at the last day. We shall see.

Lol! You are looking forward to the last day abi am sure you Will looking out for zikkyy to see him receiving his punishment for celebrating Xmas. You go develop cardiac arrest that day when you see the Lord rewarding zikkyy for doing the right thing

honeric01: Not posting does not mean i haven't been following the thread, what gives you the impression i didn't read through?

Reading is not enough. Don't assume you know me enough to know when am playing and when am serious. Besides my post on the surface don't always reflect my intentions.

plappville: The guy over understand you die....See him comment na.....abi na you dey fail to accept His advice self

Lol

plappville: Don't mind Zykky, He can not provide a scripture in his post, all He does is showing childishness.....He need to upgrade...

Anything you like talk. You know say I no go vex because na you.

truthislight: so, minus Chrismas day you dont "bond" with your loved once abi?

You are a bad person for saying that.

So, you wait for a whole 364days to bond with your love ones? Smh for you.

I bond with my love once every now and then.

You no get work na. Thats why you have 365days of the year to do nanny work. Some of us are very busy you know. That's why we don't joke with any extra days we can get to spend quality time with peeps we love.

plappville: Go and sleep my friend , i stopped Christmas, easter, birthday celebration not very long ago. after much research and seeing they are not Scripture examples.
I have listened to sound sermons, Scriptures used are so plain, should i still harden my heart tiowards the word of God and do things my way instead of God's way? NO.

The issue of ring just rises here, i know the bible does not condernm the use of jewelry, It only condermn the abuse of it. See how appreciating jewelry is in the bible.

Gen 24:47, 48 “And I asked her, and said, whose daughter art thou? And she said, the daughter of Bethuel, Nahor's son, whom Milcah bare unto him: and I put the earring upon her face, and the bracelets upon her hands. And I bowed down my head, and worshipped the LORD, and blessed the LORD God of my master Abraham, which had led me in the right way to take my master's brother's daughter unto his son.”

Here we have a rather tender story of Abraham's servant giving jewelry to Rebekah, who was the
woman God had specially chosen for Isaac. Rebekah would not have accepted it, or the servant wouldn't
have offered it, if it was not pleasant in the eyes of His masters God.

I have told @true2god to creat a thread for the ring discussion, I do not want to derail this thread.
It makes no sense pretending to be following God why indulging in Pagan feasts or pratice.

By the way, i wasn't a believe when i got married then, so you can't judged me with my past.

And i repeat, it cost me nothing to take it off if truelly proven its paganism!

So na traditional wedding you do. My sister you have been living in sin o! God no condemn jewelry abi? In the same manner he did not condemn the use of bulls for burnt offerings. But did he sanction the use of bulls as burnt offering to baal?

honeric01: This is a very bad way to debate an issue, you are making spiritual stuffs look so common, we're talking about Jesus here and what Christianity should be all about, you're here trying to blackmail people into dropping the quest for fact findings.

There's a difference between celebrating what was not asked of us as "Christians" and the color of dress worn during marriage. Jesus attended marriages and never spoke against what is worn in marriages.

I advised last time that it always good to first understand the intentions of the person you are quoting so you dont make faulty assumptions. I don't think you took my advice. I am sorry but with plappville I was not talking about Jesus. I was discussing wedding gowns and accessories.

TroGunn: The date wasn't picked by mistake or by some roll of dice. It was deliberately chosen and also copied were the practices the pagans did, not one but lots of them. No amount of whitewashing will make it "Christian".

And the controversy over it continues. Thankfully more and more sincere Christians are seeing it for what it really is.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_controversy

I was referring to myself. Did i perform something that could be termed pagan practice yesterday? NO. Is my celebration pagan because i decided to align with the date selected by the Catholic church? NO. I know the idea was not properly implemented but that does not make the date pagan. It's like holding a church congress in my village and choosing the date my village peeps have their hold the sango feast with the intention of winning them over and stopping them from participating inthe sango feast.

TroGunn: The date wasn't picked by mistake or by some roll of dice. It was deliberately chosen and also copied were the practices the pagans did, not one but lots of them. No amount of whitewashing will make it "Christian".

And the controversy over it continues. Thankfully more and more sincere Christians are seeing it for what it really is.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_controversy

I was referring to myself. Did o perform something that could be termed pagan practice yesterday? NO. Is my celebration pagan because i decided to align with the date selected by the Catholic church? NO. I know the idea was not properly implemented but that does not make the date pagan. It's like holding a church congress in my village and choosing the date my village peeps have their hold the sango feast with

plappville: You are the one deraillling....go answer those question and invite me when you creat a
wedding ring thread. I will participate, I am married with a ring. If I can put away all these pagan feast after after knowing their roots, putting my ring off is nothing. After all ring is not the center of our r marriage. Love is

You see yourself na? what do you mean ring is not the centre of your marriage? abeg make I hear better word! Your wedding is of pagan origin jor if I tell you am not thinking ancient pagan worship when am celebrating Xmas, you go begin argue. The only reason am not using words like 'hypocrite' is because you guys are my good friends.

plappville: You are the one deraillling....go answer those question and invite me when you creat a
wedding ring thread. I will participate, I am married with a ring. If I can put away all these pagan feast after after knowing their roots, putting my ring off is nothing. After all ring is not the center of our r marriage. Love is

Don't forget to add the wedding gown, its pagan.bridal train nko? all join you better check that your wedding very well. It was pagan. If na traditional wedding yo do, then your case is worse.p

truthislight: i am not a prsumpteouse person.

You seem to have gotten a "degree" for presumptiouseness.

We have given you reason to arrived a conclusion for your own self but you say no. Good for you.
Peace

If you can give me reason to arrive at a conclusion, why did you not give me reasons for me to decide if Xmas is pagan or not. You have been shouting pagan everywhere without proof. It's when it comes to answering my question that you provide 'something' for me to decide myself. You see yourself

truthislight: but you added Chrismas/birth day a pegan celebration from pegan sources. No?

Picking a date that coincide with a day for pagan feast does not make my action pagan. I could choose another date and it Will probably coincides with sango feast day.

truthislight: you are on your own.

Do things outside the law of God then you are a lawless person.

I wander why people are always presumptiouse, and is it not true that Yahweh always kill such individuals?
Yes he does!

Well, am still alive. Meaning you are very wrong

You have not been able to show am acting outside of the law of God. You guys keeping dancing round the issue without actually touching it.

truthislight: you are on your own.

Do things outside the law of God then you are a lawless person.

I wander why people are always presumptiouse, and is it not true that Yahweh always kill such individuals?
Yes he does!

Well, am still alive. Meaning you are very wrong

plappville: You have skiped several of my posts, even when i reposted them, you have refused to respond, Your statement here is false.
I have shown scriptures that treated "Birthday", but you have ignored them...wayo boy

What are you accusing of this time? You know I don't avoid posts. I believe I have addressed your concerns.

Rich4god: How does my xmas tree have any thing to do with a pagan. If a pagan eats rice and i myself eats rice, does that make me an idol worshipper. You should stop attributing things to pagans just because the started doing it first before christians started.

The pagans were not really the first to start. If you go with the 'origin' argument, all practices started from or have It's origin in Cain and Abel. So pagans has its origin,in God worship. Maybe that's enough to say that there is nothing like paganism.

Rich4god: I did that because of xmas. Does that makes me a pagan?

According to ijawkid, you are a pagan for eating the food you cooked, you are a pagan for visiting friends and bonding with your loved one. You are a pagan for being happy that Christ was born.

TroGunn: It has nothing to do with balls. Your question about labelling it as sinful is childish at best - it's why it's been largely ignored. If something is steeped is paganism, and God condemns mixing his worship with paganism, the implication is obvious.

Hahahaha this is all you have to day? Well I can conclude you don't the balls required to respond to a childish question now that my question suddenly became childish. You guys have shown your views here are personal. I have nothing more to say to you.

plappville: SOAP BODY CREAM BE IT BLEACHING OR NOT ARE ALL COSMETICS, THE WORLDLY THINGS DID NOT MENTION THEM AS WORLDLY THINGS BUT THE INTERPRETATION OF THE POSTER DID CLASSIFIED THEM AS WORLDLINESS. THE BIBLE SIMPLY TREATS BIRTHDAY ISSUES, I HAVE PRESENTED SCRIPTURES NOT MY WORDS. IT IS LEFT FOR YOU TO JUDGE YOURSELF. «perming ur hair has no worldliness, if you don´t relax it, you have a strong hair, men have no course to do this as they carry short hair. the bible spoke about women hair as thier glory, caring for your natural hair mark no sin to God. you are adding to Gods word. except you prove me wrong by providing no perm/care for ur hair secripture just like i provided verses that proved how negetive birthday is.» You came to this this world with nothing, so if worldliness is misinterpreted as the use of care products, then you haave no reason to use soap. they all have trace of chimic.

Hahaha I no fit shout. See as you dey fight as if the ownership of your makeup kit depend on this discussion

true2god: Lets look at another angle of event\fashion, something not quite related to xmas. When i was in school i used to attend one xtain fellowship where i was told that the wearing of Jeans is against the word of God. We were told the history of peaple dat started the use of Jeans trousiers hw bad they are and their association with pple of the dark world. Incidentally over 70% of we guys in dat meeting were putting on Jean trousiers.

Some guys left the meetin in annoyance for wat the guy said on the podium cos most of us see jeans as rugged and can be used for weeks without washing (just brushing) and will save us time for anoda useful things in sch.

The other issue is the wedding ring, many pple view wedding ring as as ancient hindu practice associated with occultism, but today its a norm and even an integral part of the weddin process. Can we now say wedding rings are demonic cos it has no root in xtainity?

Most of us will rather choose to stay in our house and lock up ourselves frm the society if we choose to entertain all our time and taught on practices of today that are not in the bible. Even the olympics (greek olympus) is associated with idols (see the olympic sign and hologram and study its origin ). Are we now saying that the competitors and athletes and spectators and the LOC are worshipping idol?

The moment we realize the dynamics of human civilization and progression, most of our unneccessary burdens of certains things we see wrong will ease. Paul talked about the celebration of time and season (during his time there was no xmas,partly cos the church system is still strange to the pple at dat time), but he placed no burden on the pple not to celebrate as long as no sacrifice is made to 'appease' any false god (somewhere in the book of corinthian).

Happy holiday to all my friends, incuding plappvile.

True talk. But I know my people, they pretend you did not make this post.

true2god: One thing most pple dnt understand is dat the present day calender system(especially gregorian calender) and days namings were all named after stranges gods. Sunday in particular was names after the god of the SUN, and d day (sunday) was the day dedicated to idol worship during the greeko-roman empire.

Can we now say dat xtains dat go to church on sundays are worshipping the SUN god, given the historical antecedent of sunday, as a day dedicated to idol worship? One thing we need understand is dat the world has evolved so much and many practices ones seen as paganistic are no longer so. Take for instance, on SUNDAY (during the greeko-roman period), sacrifices are made to gods of ephesus and others. But in today sundays pple go to church to hear the word of God, and no ritual made. Will u now say sunday services are dedicated to SUN god? No.

The basis for my argument is dis, even though im not a xmas freak, there is nothing wrong celebratin the birth of christ if done modestly and with sober reflection on the significance of christ birth. No one knws the specific date christ was born. Even my grand mother(in dis modern era), the family dont knw the actual date she was born cos there is no birth registration centre in my village. So if the family choses a particular day to celebrate her it is never a crime as long as no idol or ancestral worship is attched to dat.

So the argument of not seeing anything good in xmas celebration is wrong and bias. It is true dat durin xmas so might choose to do things contrary to the bible, like drinkin and partying, but we shouldnt also forget dat many good things equally take place during xmas (family meetings, family prayers, showing love to friends, sharing of gifts, visitings friends and families, taking time off work, team\ bonding exercise, and even travelling)

let always see the + side of life and not be unnecesarily critics dat will not change anything but always in the corner to judge the seemingly flawed part of a system.

Thank you my brother, I have laid something similar before my anti Xmas brothers & sisters in the past but they will pretend not to see it cos they are blinded by their bias. They live a pagan derived life, but its only Christmas they see.

@honeric, I consider the act in the question below acceptable.

Zikkyy: "what if I decided to celebrate the birth of Christ by a dedicating a day once a year for it, a day I chose, and I spend the day giving praises. Do you consider my action a sin? If yes kindly state why"

ijawkid: Lol....no send santa come my door o....lol................

You and Santa go settle una self when he knock for your door. If you like bury a bullet in his head, na you know

honeric01: Christian practices like?

No one is condemning anyone (Not me), only pointing out the dangers in celebrating what is alien to Christianity (from the little i have researched)

The concept and the practice are the same because it's still to the same god of the sun on the 25th and with almost the same "rituals"

How do you know this manner is acceptable unto God? where was it commanded that we do this? genuine Christians are suppose to know what Christ (the founder of Christianity) told us to[/b]observe while waiting for his second coming and Christmas was never one of them, they never partook in it (early Christians and Christ himself), he employed us to do what he did and Christmas is not among what he did.

[b]Every other christian practices like?

Now you are the asking me to repeat what I already stated.

If you want to know what I consider acceptable practice refer to sample from the question my anti-xmas brothers have been avoiding. I will try attempt to refresh with the next post I make.

How do I know it is acceptable? I look at the commandment, have I breached it by my action using the freedom I have been given?

honeric01: Why are you repeating yourself even though i have already answered you?

My apologies, I respond to posts as I read them even before reading subsequent posts. I saw your response after making my post.

ijawkid: I don talk wetin dey my belle...............who does nt know that engaging in pagan infested celebrations or festivities is a sin??......na for my mouth you wan hear am??.......zikki ooo.........

We fit rest now??......after today don pass just buy me dring e hear....

No wahala. We can start from today, visit NL bar and have a drink or two on me. I get credit line for there. I still get leftover of drinks specially purchased for Xmas merry-ment. I fit package some for you specially wrapped in Santa designed wrapper. I fit get Santa to deliver self. Just drop your delivery address

honeric01: Yes, in your physical sight, it's from stores around the world but the real message (what we know of santa) is that the gifts are suppose to come from north-pole, this is symbolic, you need to calm down to understand it. when you look at this point as a common man, the answer you just gave would be samer because it's based on your understanding of spiritual things. the devil does not operate in physical form or does he?

Yes, it takes you farther from God, sin is a reproach and we know xmas encourages more sin and God's not seen near sinful environment, very simple!

Yes, sins are committed everytime but xmas even gives sin some form of "holy" approval, idol worshiping is one of the atrocities, worshiping the god of the sun unknowingly. Christians shouldn't have anything to do with Christmas because it has nothing to do with Christians, the Catholics who calved yuletide into a "christian" festival should continue with it, but never make it look as if it's God's will/way or doing it for Jesus.

Christian - Christ-like: You can't scrap Christianity because it's suppose to be what you are, what you say and how you live, you can't scrap a personality, religion can be scrapped but you can't scrap your identity which is suppose to be how Jesus lived, what he did while on earth, his teachings and his lifestyle.

Partially yes, xtians are not suppose to do what the rest of the world partake in, anything that won't progress the kingdom of God and also bring out the Christ in you must not be partake in. no one's telling you not to live a good life or make money legally, fun and happiness is not from what you gain or gather, it comes from the inner acceptance you have for your spirit being. if you're empty spiritually, physically, you won't find that inner peace and xmas/partying/material gains won't fill the gap.


Someone already answered you on this before and i also answered you before, let's stop beating about the bush, this questions got answered a long time ago, go back and read through some of our replies to you. accepting/believing is a choice.

I have given you more than 5 reasons not to celebrate xmas and others have done so too, how else do you want it spelt out?

You accuse me of repeating the same thing yet you keep referring to issues I have long given my views about. I have stated over and over my position on the sins associated with Xmas which is just like any other event. I will only respond to couple of things so you dont accuse me of repetition. The first is to correct my comment that Christianity be scrapped, I meant Christian practices. The second is that you talk about the sin associated with Xmas which I have always agreed with. My focus has been to question the condemnation of everybody celebrating Xmas. Is the celebration (the concept) that has to do with Sun worship or the actual practice? If some peeps are celebrating Christ birth in a manner acceptable to God, should we go ahead and condemn them? In addition if Xmas should be scrapped because it lead some Christians to sin, every other Christian practice that provides opportunity for sin should also be scrapped. I don't think you should be selective irrespective of what you considered as magnitude of sin.

TroGunn: It's not personal opinion when the bible reports negatively on birthdays and for only pagans. Obviously, God's worshippers did not celebrate it because of it's pagan roots.

It's not personal opinion if from the scriptures, principles that condemn copying pagan practices (of which Christmas reeks of) is clearly stated.

It's not personal opinion, when you are shown from the Bible the ONLY celebration Jesus said should be done to remember him - and no, that celebration is not Christmas.

It's not personal opinion, when you are shown that the bible as is is "complete" for one to worship God acceptably without need for adding a pagan-derived celebration.

You are just going round in circles. So, you do want it expressly stated in the bible that we should or shouldn't celebrate Christmas, even though the principles against such abounds in the bible?

It is very personal when you interpret biblical events to suit your cause. It is your personal interpretation when you say the bible reports negatively on birthdays. At the same birthday a life was saved and it was the life that was saved that got Joseph out of jail. And we all know what Joseph later became.

It is personal when you claim that every Christian involve in pagan activities during Xmas celebration, when you are not there with all of them.

It is personal opinion when you claim that Jesus reference that a particular celebration should be done in remembrance of him imply that Jesus is saying no other act should be performed to celebrate him. Do Christians celebrate the birth of Christ in remembrance of his death?

It personal opinion when you say Christians engage in a pagan derived celebration, especially when you are afraid to say that the so called pagan derived celebration is a sin. If celebrating birthday is pagan, it implies it is a sin. So how come nobody had the balls to label the actions I stated in my questions as sinful?

eddy spice: guy think again i choose an option dat highlights paganism and i dont see y 1 must celebrate jesus birthday.philippians 1:10 says we shuld focus on what is more important.so what will give us salvation (a)his birth or (b) beliving in his sacrificial death.make ur choice

Oga, you chose an option that imply you don't have issues with the concept of Xmas. This no time to lie. Nobody is saying we should not focus on more important issues, okay.