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Image123:
Did Jesus say that He'd come back before His disciples die, or is it your comprehension that's poor?

Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Mark 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

Mark 13:30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.

Luke 9:27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

Also see Luke 21:8 - 27

Luke 21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.

@Image123 - The first thing I will say to you is that you clearly are the one who suffers from poor comprehension. Did I mention disciples?
Secondly, it is quite clear that like most who profess to be christians, you lack knowledge of the contents of your "holy" book. Do not take my word for it, read the above passages in your bible. You might be educated about the false (and failed) prophesies of Jesus.

mabell:
What you do not know don't say,
There are things that must happen before he comes
Trust me they are happening fast.

Examples, please.
Tell us what is new under the sun.
In other words, put up or shut up.

mabell:
@poster,

    NO

Afterall Jesus never fails!

Yeah, right.
Except, that he has not come back yet, even though (according to the inerrant bible), he promised to return within the lifetime of some of his listeners.
If his failure to return as promised is not failing, I wonder what is.

[quote author=Rhino.5dm link=topic=729953.msg8904253#msg8904253 date=1313092279]How can nothing form something? Honestly i go with the creation a zillion times. Its even safer to conclude that we dont know who create the earth than the idea of just popping out from NOTHING.

My new BMW just pop out from NO WHERE! NOTHING?!! This is delusion at its peak.

Give me GOD any time, anyday. . .Apes & monkies are not my choice.[/quote]The classic "God of the gaps" argument.
I cannot explain so goddidit.
How very "intelligent".
Unfortunately, when you reduce the arguments of the theists to their bare minimum, this seems to be what they are saying - God did it.

Image123:
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From experience, it does happen but it's seldom. You don't believe in miracles anyway, so don't bother yourself.

I am afraid, but evidence from personal experience is not evidence. If I told you that unicorns exist from personal experience, would you accept that as evidence that unicorns exist?
In any event, what is the use of a god who allows miracles only seldomly.
You are right about one thing though, I do not believe in miracles because miracles never happen.

frosbel:
^^^^

Do you read papers at all.

It was your fellow BLACK brothers who started all this and many are muslims, lol.  

Why are you incapable of allowing the truth to come between your delusions and hate filled facist christian fanatism?
Making it up for the sake of jeebus does not really help your cause.
You really are a hate filled individual who appears to be beyond help.
Why do you have such a problem with muslims that you are willing to make up lies to justify your ridiculous postion?
The funny thing is that both groups are deluded.

May I say that the question has not been properly formulated.
It should read, "Why shouldn't christians fail?".
They should not fail if it can be established that the ordinary laws of nature are generally suspended to accomodate their superstitious beliefs.
They should not fail if it can be established that above all other groups they are specially selected by the big fairy in the sky for special things.

Image123:
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The context conveyed of natural laws are e.g gravity, hunger, sickness, aging, death, tiredness, forgetting etc. Christians and every other person on earth are still subject to these. It's takes special miracle and purpose to escape these and it's seldom.

Wrong - these are not seldom, these are never.
These truth is, despite the special pleadings and so on, the only difference between the religious and the rest of us, is their belief in the existence of god, irrational though the belief is.
Christians "fail" because people fail, christains fall ill because people fall ill, christian businesses fail because businesses fail, christain students fail examinations because students fail examinations. No more no less.
No special favours, no miracles, no purpose.

davidylan:
nothing sophisticated about it. its plain as day, you can take it or leave it. i'm not one of those who believes the gospel MUST NEEDS be understood by all especially those who are DETERMINED not to understand it.

With regard to Abraham, in those days they married their close relatives . . . so indeed Sarah was his sister. Stop making comments based on the half-baked nonsense you read off of websites.

With regard to the midwives, yes they lied . . . to prevent the death of millions of babies. They didnt lie to gain an unfair advantage or wickedly manipulate others. You are free to turn up your nose at this, the explanation really isnt about appeasing you afterall.

Typical christian dishonesty. Over the years, one has become accustomed to their capacity to lie and make things up as they go along.
For one who appears to get his morality from the insane justifications of William Craig Lane,the above comment is very rich.
Put aside he fact that the the Israelites were never enslaved by the Egyptians, and gte Exodus account never ever happened, it is debatable whether you know the bible as well as you claim.
What did I write that is not from the bible? Instead, you introduce another dimension: god supports in.cest.
Abraham lied, Sarah was his wife. Twisting the plain facts is dishonest.

davidylan:
and the popular conjob of the pseudo-scientist (i.e. the ignorant who use science as a cloak for their own disbelief) is to claim that man must have evolved from a primordial soup.

If you say that man and apes have a common ancestor, on what scientific basis is that claim made and how is it much different from evolving from apes?

Abuse coming from one who believes that the earth was created in six days. One who is a creationist. One who believes the bible to the inerrant word of god. And you, sir, call me ignorant.
You are the one who hides his ignorance behind a two thousand year collection of myths, fairy tales and failed prophecies by people who believed that illness was caused by demons. By people who believed that the sun revolved the earth. By people who believed that their god destroyed the earth in a flood. By people who believed that a man lived inside a fish for three days. By people who believed that their lord rose from the dead after   three days in a tomb.
You, who tries to explain the various inconsistencies in the book by really sophisticated babble.
Whether you like it or not, evolution best explains man and other living things today.
Deny this as much as you want. Your sincere beliefs (false and mistaken) are irrelevant to the truth.

mazaje:
. . .According to the scientific explanation man evolved from apes. . . .

As I understand it, this is not exactly correct. Man and ape (and indeed all animals) have a common ancestor. The theory is that man and ape split from their common ancestor millions of years ago.
It is a popular ploy of the cretinists creationists to claim that if evolution is true, it means that man evolved from apes.

davidylan:
First of all, learn to cite your sources. this was copied verbatim from another source.

Note the example you cite. God did not reward the midwives for lying, He did so because they saved the jewish male children. In that case, the women were allowed in that one account to lie in order to prevent a horrible evil, not to wickedly manipulate or gain an unfair advantage. Dont mix the two.

This is an example of sophisticated christian theology. The point is they lied. The point is Abraham lied about Sarah being his wife, and god approved.
In another post, I pointed out that frosbel fails to take the log out of his eye before trying to take one out of another person's eye.
This post is another example of his delibrate attempts to cause trouble in the name of his god.

Is it any surprise that you guys are called crazy?
When faced with lunacy this extreme, what can one say?

You guys are scary.

frosbel:
Zodiac61

In relation to sin


Well if you believe in Mary apparitions, rosary prayer, mass, venerating dead people then you sure are superstitious, because you see , the bible never mentioned any of these things.


I do, I examine myself DAILY to see whether I am still in the faith.

But I believe in the simplistic faith which is ME, MY SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST and FATHER GOD, not me MY BIBLE, MY SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST ,  MARY, CANDLES, DEAD SAINTS , HOLY WATER etc etc .



These are Biblical truths all stated in the Bible.

But you continue making the same mistake by calling JESUS CHRIST DEAD, no he is not DEAD, he WAS DEAD, but it RISEN and sits down on the right hand of FATHER GOD until he makes his enemies his FOOTSTOOL.

DEAD means STONE DEAD, with skeletons and a grave as evidence.


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Not sure what you are implying.


But I suspect that you are atheist and therefore no further comments other than the bible calls the one who does not believe in at least GOD, as  a FOOL !!

"For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn't worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused.Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools.And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people and birds and animals and reptiles.So God abandoned them to do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies." - Romans 1:20-24

Need I say any more?
Black is white and white is black.
If this is not superstition, I do not know what is.

There is something in the bible about removing the log from your eyes before trying to remove one from another person's eyes.
The poster is effectively accusing catholics of being superstitious.
It is a pity that frosbel does not apply the same standards by which he judges the catholics to himself.
Here is a person who believes that the earth and contents were created by god in six days, that the same god destroyed the earth in a world-wide flood save for eight individuals and a few animals, that god's son was born of a virgin, that the said son was executed and rose from the dead three days later, that the said dead son of of god will return soon to judge all mankind and so on and so forth.
If these beliefs are not as crazy as the catholic veneration of the dead, what is?
Echoes of the pot calling the kettle black and so on.

I wish I could say that this is just an opportunist, trying to make money fast.
This is unfortunately part of an intolerant strain of christianity that has been trying to impose its will on the country.
They keep on failing in courts and keep on trying.
These rightwingers will not rest (they think) until they impose the laws of Leviticus on the rest of us.
They pay lip-service to equal opportunities and are quick to see discrimination everywhere.
The reality is that all they want is a theocratic state.
The sad thing is that whilst most of the christian litigants are blacks or asians, the people who generally fund the litigations are white christians, who are no doubt happy for us to make fools of ourselves.
She will fail.

You make me laugh.
You expect them to give away something for free 
What do you think churches are? Charities?
Get a life and get real.

I guess it takes one conman to know others. It always amuses me when one pastor (or whatever they call themselves) accuses his fellow conmen of immorality and so on.
You almost get the impression of the pot calling the kettle black.
As for Nigerians being the most gullible in the world, he should know. Afterall, he is one of the parasites feeding on the gullibility of those who are foolish enough to listen to the inanities that sprout from his lips.

Money talks.
Reading between the lines, their main problem is that the GO has not given them a share of the profit he pockets.
I wish them good luck.
Six of one and half a dozen of the other.
Conmen all.

Joagbaje:
A pastor is a spiritual guide. He can advise and counsel

This is a joke, isn't it?
Advise what
Counsel What

Talkyaown:
you better get serious with your life, heaven and hell are not anybody's imagination, they're real!!

Have you visited hell, or do you know anyone who has? Mumu, asking me to be Serious. You better get a life.

It is not possible for a policeman ot anybody else to make heaven, because heaven is a figment of man's imagination.
Instead of threatening people with heaven or hell, we should be trying to improve conditions here on earth.

[quote author=jesus. link=topic=658612.msg8298316#msg8298316 date=1305112967]2011 Prophesies: 'Two Govs will die mysteriously'

, Surprises in 2011 elections

* Warns FG of coastal attacks

By Shedrack Ifurueze     Date Published 20/12/2010

the characters in bold speaks for theselves
Its a pity Papa u are not around to witness your prophecy come to past. Both Local and international obcervers said the election was reasonably free and fair. We saw many surprises as OBJ was defeated in his own constituency as well as the Speaker Dimeji Bankole being unable to return to the lower house.

We saw how ACN tagged as a Yoruba part gave Dr Chris Ngige in an IGBo state the Senatorial ticket in Anambra state defeating Mrs re-branding of the ruling party



Source   http://newsdirectonline.com/newstory.php?ID=1013[/quote]It is a pity he did not foresee his own death.
If he did, maybe one would believe all this man of god nonsense that Nigerians are so fond of.
It is easy to sprout vague rubbish and claim them to be prophesies from god.

Joagbaje:
Slavery was once a way o life. Until knowledge came. You can't really blame anyone . The world is evolving . Laws are changing . Human rights,Civil right, Children rights, animal rights, foetus rights, women rights. All are art of the evolution.

So christians can believe in evolution when it lets god off the hook 
Seeing that god is supposed to be the fount of all knowledge, I am surprised with this feeble defense of slavery.
If god exists there should never have been slavery.

This is child abuse.
The parents and pastor who allowed this insanity to happen ought to be prosecuted.
All you who think that your god encourages this kind of freak show should hang your heads in shame.

noetic16:
this shows u dont understand the point of prayers.  why should anyone pray n be asking God for protection? do they really know God? . . . .this is what Christ says

I dont know where u got the message that Christians will not suffer persecution or evil that others suffer from . . .Christ Himself was crucified, peter was crucified upside down, Paul was beheaded, stephen was lynched to death, James was beheaded, John was imprisoned, Andrew was fried in hot oil. . . .the first church were lynched and killed incessantly. if the first generation of Christians could suffer this much. . . how much more latter day believers. The problem here is that u have been wrongly taught. . perhaps u attended chris oyakilome's church?

prayer is a personal communion between two persons who know each other . . did God ask him to go preach? was he doing this on his own will or based on instructions? I am not in any way passing judgement of your friend, but the point here is, choosing to work for God is DIFFERENT from being called. is your friend lamenting on this accident? Apostle Paul also had a ship accident on his way to preaching the gospel . .  .that did not stop him from preaching. The point is thet tha Christian walk has NO earthly reward.

can u testify that they were all walking with God in obedience? remember that God sees and knows all things.

Excuses, excuses, excuses.
If god treats his own like this, why should we care for him?
Frankly, the post above is meaningless tosh, typical theology double talk.
Prayer is a waste of time. If a parent behaves the way god does, we would all call that parent evil and uncaring.
The only consolation is that god does not exist. The sad thing is that there are a lot of people who delude themselves that there is a god and are willing to deny women, homosexuals etc simple human rights in the name of god.

Deep Sight:
^^^ See Mantraa's Post #10 above. He was being sarcastic in his first post.

My fail.
Problem is, many christians believe the 'God is love' and 'he did it for our own good' lines.

mantraa:
God is love.

The jewish/christian God Yahweh/Jesus is a merciful, loving and peaceful God.

He had to make those harsh laws to keep sinful humans from falling into the hands of the devil.

Classic example of cognitive dissonance. Yes means no and all that crap.
An all powerful god does not need harsh laws to keep his creation from falling into the hands of the 'devil'. All he would need to do is will things to happen.
If, on the other hand, god does not exist, the need to kill in his name becomes obvious.
God is a human invention.

In addition to being a charlatan and a fraud, I see that Ashimolowo lies as well. Someone points and at the TV and Ashimolowo upends the laws of nature to send money to her. Why is his god a god of money?
Yet they accuse atheists of being materialistic.
Man of god indeed 

kris2glo:
It’s a very simple issue to understand, what the guy did was that he operated on FAITH, and the answer he got wasn’t from his god, rather from his FAITH.

Hebrews 11:1. Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

The scripture above didn’t say:
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for 'in Jesus name’, the evidence of things not seen.

It rather says: Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

That means Faith stands alone as a singular element which can be used to attract the production of anything.
So, what gave him the job wasn’t his god, but his faith!

This is arrant nonsence.
A little bit of honesty is all that is required. It is quite clear that the Hindu gods are not the christian one. No one who prays to Brahma, Shiva, Vishnu, Ganesha and so on prays in faith to Jesus or in Jesus's name.
Prayers to the Hindu gods are not the same as prayers to the christian god or muslim god or jewish god.
To claim otherwise is dishonest.
Nothing surprising there, seeing that lying on behalf of the faith is what the religious do best.

noetic16:
cant u see that u are not qualified to talk about prayer? its like a novice attempting to explain a medical surgery process and dismissing his ignorance cos he lacks understanding.

prayer works. what is prayer? prayer is a communion to the invisible creator of all things. if u dont believe in a creator or superior being, how can u believe in prayer?

Really sophisticated theology at work. The art of making gibberish sound intelligent.

I notice that none of the godbots has answered what is a really simple question

huxley:
Do the Hindu god(s) answer prayers too or was it sheer luck that he got his job and that prayers had nothing to do with it?

And whilst you godists are struggling with that question, answer this one as well, "Why doesn't God heal amputees?"
And this one as well "Why do christians die in car crashes, air crashes, of cancer and other illnesses?"

Guys, it is now the 22nd of May, 2011.
what happened??
did I miss anything??
All the christians I know are still here.
Maybe they are not true christians.
If they are, they should have been Raptured.
I really did wish for it to happen - the earth would be a far better place without the sanctimonious born-agains.

josephate:
Message from the living GOD, He said we should praise him for 72hrs b4 election of our nation . GOD said that he wants to visit our nation b4 election, he said  he wants to visit the high places of the wicked people that are ruling indirectly in our nation, and he wants to bless his people. if we obey him, he wants to put an end to afflictions in our nation.
whats your advice/opinion?

what a waste of time. No wonder We cannot make any progress as a nation. Nigerians have been praying for years, where has it got us? No where
educaWe like to think that we are a religious country, yet our hospitals are in shambles, education is useless (most university graduates cannot string a sentence togethe and the only successful industires are the god-businesses.
Two hands working are more productive than a thousand clasped in prayer.