torkaka: @jp phillips & the others displaying stark ignorance.

this is the basis of a legal case against coxson;

facts of the matter:
coxson raised an alarm.
vigilante/people around apprehended the boys.
the chief passed judgement(meaning coxson's side of the story was heard and believed.
the boys were killed.

now this is the case;
coxson raised an alarm knowing fully well that the alarm was false which resulted to the apprehension and killing of the boys therefore he will be charged for accessory to murder. i.e he raised the alarm because he knew the reaction from the public and concealed information deliberately with the intent to cause bodily harm on the boys via proxy.

secondly, coxson raised a false alarm therefore his words stood as the basis the community/vigilante had for the jungle justice carried out on the boys. jungle justice being a criminal act thereby aiding and abetting a crime!

A BABY LAWYER WILL TELL YOU ALL THIS! NOTHING COMPLICATED

jp philips:


please direct that question to that "joehunt". he seems not to understand that once the debtor can prove his life was threatened that night that all charges will be dropped.

kids that fail to realize the real world is not run with emotions

rman:

She is a kid.

thegoodjoehunt:

How can you ignore someone by commenting. Now you want to wait for report to confirm. You have been running your words up and down as if you were sure the boys came with a cultist, shots were fired, they were cultists etc. Now you want to wait for report.

All the time I was begging you to wait for report, you said, "HELL NO" with your statements. Now you want to wait.

Why not wait before making statements like this, " please we are talking about victims of circumstance they brought upon themselves (not verified though) not some hate droppings u posted above.there is a possibly they brought terror to someone and they ended up dead."

or


The problem with most dumb skulls here is that they think ALUU is in space. Ask the students staying there and get the facts straight.
the video you watched had numerous spectators, are they not life witnesses to what happened? are they not giving their own accounts?

there are loads of video on you tube, see the one with the title, "the truth is finally out" that is the only video that had what seems like a reality to this matter. the rest are childish.

I attended a Nigerian Uni and i can confidently tell you how these things play out, sink your emotions in your pants and face common sense for once.

I have been to ALUU several times, I have also been to Alakahia close to Aluu, these places are not hidden, sitting abroad or lagos typing thrash wont help anybody.

the pertinent areas the video did not address was that the boys were caught in the night and paraded during the day.
How did i know this? Aluu vigilante operate only in the night, from 10pm or so.

Aluu like i said is a small community, they know themselves you cannot just scream thief!!!! thief!!! and the whole community follows you, it is not possible. i stand on that 100%. it is the lie of the century, someone planted that Hoax and it is selling.

you cannot shout "thief" behind me in my neighborhood and you expect neighbors to burn me alive without asking questions?
doesn't it sound dumb??, people are being too emotional about this and its very annoying.

if the boys went for debt recovery in the middle of the night like the video claimed, what minimal force did they intend to use?
for God's sake the debtor can as well be your child, don't we owe people

if the boys came in peace, why did the debtor feel threatened to alert the vigilante?? or does he not have the right to live??
using "thief" was prolly to aggravate the scenario to spur the vigilante to react, i would have done same myself. i want to survive too. Occult hit in Nigeria is no child's play, UNEC 1998 woke up with the gory sight of a human head of a mid twenty's boy hanging on a spike, a victim of over night hit with a side note. "one down more to follow, egede no be beans"

these killings happen on daily basis and nobody is talking about it.

let us not over flog whether they are cultists or not, something must have spurred the community to react, thief thief!!! is not enough, vigilante claimed they heard gunshots though the shooter escaped after scaring them with few shots.

now, that is likely to make the community to react and treat these boys without mercy, not necessarily the shouts of "thieves".
we saw the girl that stole BB, and some other thieves paraded, one thing is common, they are always caught in the act in such scenarios, we see them snap pictures with their loot Unclad, why is the ALUU case different?

was these guys living in ALuu community? yet, no one could identify or vouch for their integrity? your guess is as good as mine, at the very least someone rented them a house that could have said, "these are my tenants" and i don't think its right, "joints where they hang out"? people they mix with,ladies they are toasting? the story doesn't add up.

the community response eludes common sense, my guess is that those boys are "externals" in that neighbor hood that is why nobody knows or could vouch for them.

it is synonymous to Nigerian cult operations, they import people from other zones to treat internal "Bleep ups" as they call it.

lastly, look at the students retaliatory response just few days after the incident, was there an assembly for the aluu victims? no!!. solidarity movement? no!! what about their depts? faculties? NO!! etc.

over night, we saw a well organized mobilized group causing mayhem in the community, who were they? some emotional students may have joined the movement out of ignorance (like the peeps on Nairaland)no doubt, but who are the organizers? whose brain child was it?.

my guess? his group, Nigerian cultists are notorious for retaliatory hits.

every aspects of this story so far revealed, points to one direction "CULTISM", until we see fresh facts that speak otherwise, i will gladly apologize and withdraw my comments


God in his infinite wisdom has used the vigilante to save 1 life at the expense of 4, what am i supposed to do about that? cry




or

the only pointers sacrosanct in nature are;

for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction..........Sir isaac newton
what you sow, you shall reap..............Good book



Whether you like it or not you were wrong. So next time don't do it.

Biggyd2: Whether or not the 4 students committed any crime is not the issue. The question is- WAS THE KILLING BY THE ALUU COMMUNITY JUSTIFIED UNDER THE LAW? NO!

thegoodjoehunt:

How can you ignore someone by commenting. Now you want to wait for report to confirm. You have been running your words up and down as if you were sure the boys came with a cultist, shots were fired, they were cultists etc. Now you want to wait for report.

All the time I was begging you to wait for report, you said, "HELL NO" with your statements. Now you want to wait.

Why not wait before making statements like this, " please we are talking about victims of circumstance they brought upon themselves (not verified though) not some hate droppings u posted above.there is a possibly they brought terror to someone and they ended up dead."

or


The problem with most dumb skulls here is that they think ALUU is in space. Ask the students staying there and get the facts straight.
the video you watched had numerous spectators, are they not life witnesses to what happened? are they not giving their own accounts?

there are loads of video on you tube, see the one with the title, "the truth is finally out" that is the only video that had what seems like a reality to this matter. the rest are childish.

I attended a Nigerian Uni and i can confidently tell you how these things play out, sink your emotions in your pants and face common sense for once.

I have been to ALUU several times, I have also been to Alakahia close to Aluu, these places are not hidden, sitting abroad or lagos typing thrash wont help anybody.

the pertinent areas the video did not address was that the boys were caught in the night and paraded during the day.
How did i know this? Aluu vigilante operate only in the night, from 10pm or so.

Aluu like i said is a small community, they know themselves you cannot just scream thief!!!! thief!!! and the whole community follows you, it is not possible. i stand on that 100%. it is the lie of the century, someone planted that Hoax and it is selling.

you cannot shout "thief" behind me in my neighborhood and you expect neighbors to burn me alive without asking questions?
doesn't it sound dumb??, people are being too emotional about this and its very annoying.

if the boys went for debt recovery in the middle of the night like the video claimed, what minimal force did they intend to use?
for God's sake the debtor can as well be your child, don't we owe people

if the boys came in peace, why did the debtor feel threatened to alert the vigilante?? or does he not have the right to live??
using "thief" was prolly to aggravate the scenario to spur the vigilante to react, i would have done same myself. i want to survive too. Occult hit in Nigeria is no child's play, UNEC 1998 woke up with the gory sight of a human head of a mid twenty's boy hanging on a spike, a victim of over night hit with a side note. "one down more to follow, egede no be beans"

these killings happen on daily basis and nobody is talking about it.

let us not over flog whether they are cultists or not, something must have spurred the community to react, thief thief!!! is not enough, vigilante claimed they heard gunshots though the shooter escaped after scaring them with few shots.

now, that is likely to make the community to react and treat these boys without mercy, not necessarily the shouts of "thieves".
we saw the girl that stole BB, and some other thieves paraded, one thing is common, they are always caught in the act in such scenarios, we see them snap pictures with their loot Unclad, why is the ALUU case different?

was these guys living in ALuu community? yet, no one could identify or vouch for their integrity? your guess is as good as mine, at the very least someone rented them a house that could have said, "these are my tenants" and i don't think its right, "joints where they hang out"? people they mix with,ladies they are toasting? the story doesn't add up.

the community response eludes common sense, my guess is that those boys are "externals" in that neighbor hood that is why nobody knows or could vouch for them.

it is synonymous to Nigerian cult operations, they import people from other zones to treat internal "Bleep ups" as they call it.

lastly, look at the students retaliatory response just few days after the incident, was there an assembly for the aluu victims? no!!. solidarity movement? no!! what about their depts? faculties? NO!! etc.

over night, we saw a well organized mobilized group causing mayhem in the community, who were they? some emotional students may have joined the movement out of ignorance (like the peeps on Nairaland)no doubt, but who are the organizers? whose brain child was it?.

my guess? his group, Nigerian cultists are notorious for retaliatory hits.

every aspects of this story so far revealed, points to one direction "CULTISM", until we see fresh facts that speak otherwise, i will gladly apologize and withdraw my comments


God in his infinite wisdom has used the vigilante to save 1 life at the expense of 4, what am i supposed to do about that? cry




or

the only pointers sacrosanct in nature are;

for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction..........Sir isaac newton
what you sow, you shall reap..............Good book



Whether you like it or not you were wrong. So next time don't do it.

gbadexy: Picture please!

Biggyd2: Whether or not the 4 students committed any crime is not the issue. The question is- WAS THE KILLING BY THE ALUU COMMUNITY JUSTIFIED UNDER THE LAW? NO!

snowprince01:

His life was threatened nd he screamed thief, what about after d boize were caught, why did he not say they were not robbers bt came to collect dept in a forceful way?..u b total mumu nd u reason only 1 sided.. If its dat easy for him to just say his life was threatened nd all case will b dropped, then why is he on d run?

goldenval: Why is everyone using blue and red colours to write? Is this the sign of gays calling?

jp philips:



in a forceful way you said, forceful enough to threaten his safety? because he is owing a paltry students debt?

how much is geometrics, gitto, etc owing Nigerian banks?

is it justifiable to threaten his life because he is owing you?

it was a 4/5 men against 1, can you guarantee his safety?

havent you seen where a debtor is beaten to death before?

why did the boys not use vigillante or police to collect the money?

what about reporting bright to the chief of their community ? why use "force" like you claimed?

if your theory is corrct, then the boys took the law in their hands before the community did to them.

what do you think bright's family will be saying in the media tomorrow?

you lack common sense.

ItsModella: That's good development. What of the guy who was using a plank on them? That one needs to be caught ASAP.

phreakabit:

Quit arguing. . . Your opinion wouldn't matter. These animals arrested all deserve to die, and die they shall.

Imanuelle:



What are u saying
I skool in uniport.... And i know these ppl.
Aluu ppl beef the students!


Did u actually spend time to type so much rubbish?
U deserve an award!

jp philips: I am waiting for the debtor to tell us why he raised his alarm which police has claimed its false even without arresting the him.

if his life was threatened that night, his alarm is truly justified, if not then he has a case to answer, im keeping my fingers crossed for Bright not you nor the police.

i am not an !d!ot and i wont blame you if you choose to be one

thegoodjoehunt:

1. JP Phillips made very valid postulations on this matter, - If you are honest, they are postulations not fact. So no one can judge the boys based on Valid postulations.

2. The fact remains that the police are playing to the gallery in this matter, as I suspected they would. - Another speculation, not facts. Now you are judging the investigation base on what you suspect.

3. Most people already blindly and stubbornly presumed these 'fine boys' were innocent from the beginning, - I have been on this topic on nairaland for a while. I hardly saw anybody proclaiming the boys innocent. They only told people to stop branding the ALUU4 as cultists without proof. It will be wrong calling them cultists, if really they are innocent. That doesn't show that people are brandishing them as innocent victims.

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4. Now, how on earth is the said Coxson Lerebori a "mastermind" of anything? - The police have not yet concluded their investigation but from their ongoing investigation, he was declared wanted for questioning. Their investigation is pointing to him raising a false alarm. People are happy he is gotten. They are not celebrating a verdict. So don't make it look as if they are tagging him guilty.

5. If he simply raised the JUSTIFIED alarm that some cultists were subjecting him to violence in his own house - You are still speculating.

thegoodjoehunt:

1. JP Phillips made very valid postulations on this matter, - If you are honest, they are postulations not fact. So no one can judge the boys based on Valid postulations.

2. The fact remains that the police are playing to the gallery in this matter, as I suspected they would. - Another speculation, not facts. Now you are judging the investigation base on what you suspect.

3. Most people already blindly and stubbornly presumed these 'fine boys' were innocent from the beginning, - I have been on this topic on nairaland for a while. I hardly saw anybody proclaiming the boys innocent. They only told people to stop branding the ALUU4 as cultists without proof. It will be wrong calling them cultists, if really they are innocent. That doesn't show that people are brandishing them as innocent victims.

4. Now, how on earth is the said Coxson Lerebori a "mastermind" of anything? - The police have not yet concluded their investigation but from their ongoing investigation, he was declared wanted for questioning. Their investigation is pointing to him raising a false alarm. People are happy he is gotten. They are not celebrating a verdict. So don't make it look as if they are tagging him guilty.

5. If he simply raised the JUSTIFIED alarm that some cultists were subjecting him to violence in his own house - You are still speculating.

jp philips:


Total bullish ignorance, once the boy can prove his life was threatened that night, perhaps present neighbors as witnesses, his lawyer will argue on self defense,
any sane judge will discharge him ASAP.

the only problem i foresee is the parents of the boys bribing the judge to thwart justice. Nigeria justice system is that porous.

jp philips:


pathetic to say the least. why wont he run if he was threatened? did he know the vigilante will kill them?

reports have it that the boys was taken to the chief,
what if he assumed the boys will get justice there? but in the interim, he had to run to save himself.

the chief is the devil here if he actually pronounced the boys dead.

bright remains innocent till proven guilty.

mba emeka: From what i gather from my family friend (the girl that spoke to him that morning), alot of people owed Ugonna money. It wasnt just the Pastor "Bright" Lelebori. I know of another girl that misplaced a laptop and he gave her 50K on the spot so that she could stop crying. That was how kind he was. You can carry out your investigations and you'd see what would turn up.


In conclusion, I would never believe they were cultists, robbers, criminals etc. They didnt also go there at an ungodly hour, or for the wrong reasons. even in the video (according to Chidiakas mum) one could hear somebody yelling "beat them well well, shey dem wan collect your money? beat them well well". meaning that some folks got a wind of the reasons the boys were being beaten but egged the murderers on.

We have prayed, whether the police like it or not, whether the Vc likes it or not, Whether the governor likes it or not justice would be delivered. Mark my words!

TroGunn:

And what will they charge him for? Raising alarm? No way will he be blamed for the actions of vigilante, unless he was part of the mob. Police should investigate properly. Sad what happened to Aluu4, but the real killers should be targeted not play to public gallery. If the "alarm" guy had no other hand in the matter other than raising alarm, possibly over his own safety, then he should be let go.

chronique: @jp philips:

You really have a low I.Q and bad education as far as this subject is concerned. So,the judge will set the accused/suspect(s) free for saying/trying to prove that they were a threat to his life if he provides witnesses? What constitutes threat? Are you aware that the victims in death are presumed innocent of the crime? Did they find any weapon on any of them? Even if the debtor calls witnesses to say they saw them with weapons,are you aware that the weapons will have to be provided and forensic tests would be carried out to determine whose finger prints are on those weapons? If you claim they were cultists/thieves,where are the weapons/stolen items recovered from them(in the video)? No evidence of any stolen item/weapon in the recording. Moreover,ignorance is not an excuse in the court of law. No citizen has the right to kill a "suspect" who is suppose to be "innocent" until proven guilty in the court of law. Self defence doesnt apply here cos they weren't killed during a fight or arguement. This is a case of a properly planned action which can be termed as "malicious" as they were paraded naked,their rights to fair hearing was violated,they were beaten for hours before finally being set ablaze. They had the victims for hours & didn't hand them over to the police/law enforcement agents. Moreover,the police are claiming they were chased away with stones from the mob. This worsens the defence of the suspect(s) in custody as they'd also be accused of deliberately obstructing justice. Under this scenario,self defence doesnt apply. Salient points should be noted here: the sibling of one of the victim had identified at least one of them as her brother & pleaded that he wad innocent. But she was bullied & threatened to run away or risk being added to the four. This means that the only option for them at that point should have been handing over suspects to the police since someone was identified. It would have been a little bit more difficult if no one was able to identify at least one of them. Pls dont go about misinforming people on subjects you have no proper/comprehensive knowledge/information about. Thanks.
I wouldn't have replied but then,you've shown so much ignorance in your thesis above. You need proper education on the matter at hand before you can speak. No legal practictioner will back you up with all these stuffs you wrote above.

morzook: Don't really like dropping comments but it's been baffling me: what in the world would he be charged for, what is his crime?

Osheshe:

Bless you too, ma'am

sorry sir!
Bless u ma'am

TroGunn:

And what will they charge him for? Raising alarm? No way will he be blamed for the actions of vigilante, unless he was part of the mob. Police should investigate properly. Sad what happened to Aluu4, but the real killers should be targeted not play to public gallery. If the "alarm" guy had no other hand in the matter other than raising alarm, possibly over his own safety, then he should be let go.