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Re: Is Michael The Archangel Really Jesus? (revelation 12:7) by Boomark(m): 8:17pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
plappville: On pre-existence? Who are they? |
Re: Is Michael The Archangel Really Jesus? (revelation 12:7) by truthislight: 8:42pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
Boomark: seal your mouth and seal your mouth and seal it well. If you know you will not continue to seal you mouth, then please answer this question: Boomark: @ boomark come and answer thisquestion and dont avoid it and later post anything you like here. truthislight: am waiting. Here: if michael is not Jesus christ then how many persons are allowed to receive worship in among Yahweh's loyal organisation? |
Re: Is Michael The Archangel Really Jesus? (revelation 12:7) by Nobody: 10:30pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
Boomark: The fact that the Archangel is also a prince should be another pointer to Christ. Being a prince denotes rulership. Christ is clearly Prince of Peace. Doubt you have other angels being referred to as Prince other than Michael. If Michael is not Christ, which kingdom does he/will he rule? About this 'ordinary' angel matter, while not looking down on the service of God's faithful angels, Michael being Archangel clearly is more superior to the angels he leads. 2 Likes |
Re: Is Michael The Archangel Really Jesus? (revelation 12:7) by plappville(f): 10:49pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
Boomark:If Id Michael is à prince and Jesus is also à prince. And u do not agree they re same being. Are you now suggesting two princes in Yahweh's Kingdom? Michael is great, Jesus is also great accordung to him. Cant you see the match? Thesame problème trinitarians are having. Holding tightly (john 1:1) ignoring other sculptures. Just to make à point...SMH 2 Likes |
Re: Is Michael The Archangel Really Jesus? (revelation 12:7) by pastormustwacc: 10:55pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
Trollin. . . |
Re: Is Michael The Archangel Really Jesus? (revelation 12:7) by ijawkid(m): 10:59pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
pastormustwacc: Trollin. . . Oboy where u go chuk head since na??.... This thread don gather enough pages o...... |
Re: Is Michael The Archangel Really Jesus? (revelation 12:7) by pastormustwacc: 11:01pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
I visit this thread every day and have read every comment (many times over). As the original poster, i am very interested in the thread and the end if possible. |
Re: Is Michael The Archangel Really Jesus? (revelation 12:7) by plappville(f): 11:05pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
Boomark: Good question, thats far bk, maybe p7 - p10 icant scroll bk now. It's not important, just, for joke sake.... |
Re: Is Michael The Archangel Really Jesus? (revelation 12:7) by plappville(f): 11:09pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
pastormustwacc: I visit this thread every day and have read every comment (many times over). As the original poster, i am very interested in the thread and the end if possible. Bros @Boomark, has décleared this thread as unendding..... . Keeping us busy here... |
Re: Is Michael The Archangel Really Jesus? (revelation 12:7) by pastormustwacc: 11:24pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
This thread has raised many other questions - like preexistence of jesus, trinity, angel, angel of covenant, jesus = god or purely man and others. a good read. |
Re: Is Michael The Archangel Really Jesus? (revelation 12:7) by BARRISTERS: 11:53pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
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Re: Is Michael The Archangel Really Jesus? (revelation 12:7) by BARRISTERS: 11:55pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
@Boomark i adressed you and ubenedictus earlier on this,but you never replied, only to see this below; Hebrew is what they can't crack. If the Son was an angel, that rhetoric question wouldn't have been asked. So for the archangel to fit into this he must not be an angels. He must have been created above the angels he leads. see it again, there is nothing in that hebrews 1, that i have not adressed, but on the use of rhetorical question, see my reply to both you and ube, @ubenedictus and @Boomark(pls ignore the part that concerns ube and trinity i knew you are not one) d wiki d quote said one plays two parts of a stage usually when one asks and answers himself! This isnt the case in heb 1, paul doesnt ask and answers his question, he isnt playing two parts of a stage. firstly, i dont expect you to see the answer expecially when you are determined to reason from the trinitarian angle! and that has led you into this mistake of using a wrong gramatical example (erotema) in describing my own figure of reasoning (anthypophora)below Just d way "can't u do good?" implys d subject fails in doing good so does "to which of the angels has God ever said "..."? Imply that he has never said it to anyone! i will advice that You need to understand what 'rhetorical questions' inludes and all the different usages, "can't u do good?" or ''why are you so stupid''? are examples of [erotema];'The technical term for rhetorical questions in general' and the aim is to ''affirm or deny a point strongly by asking it as a question''. no one is disputing that! im not making a case for [erotema] we have other kinds of rhetorical questions, in which one asks the opinion of those listening, called [anacoenosis]. and many more......! rather, the one im reffering to,as quoted in the wiki, thus ''especially when the speaker both asks and answers them himself, as if he were playing two parts on the stage'' is known as ; [anthypophora] Anthypophora is a figure of reasoning in which one asks and then immediately answers one's own questions (or raises and then settles imaginary objections). Reasoning aloud. Anthypophora sometimes takes the form of asking the audience or one's adversary what can be said on a matter, and thus can involve both anacoenosis and apostrophe. rhetorical uses, the question as a grammatical form has important rhetorical dimensions; examples are; # Is the Republican party the best? I think not. Why else were they beaten? Because they are no longer in touch with the people. # Are they ministers of Christ? I am talking like a madman--I am a better one..." II Cor. 11:22-23. so also,[size=14pt] verse 4 and 5 of hebrews 1, were to be read altogether [/i]this way [/size](see the bridge between vs4 and 5 in the first word in vs5 [size=16pt]'for'[/size])the answer is contained in verse 4, fortunately provided by the same writer; hebrews 1:4-5; 4, Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. 5, [size=16pt]For[/size] unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? [i]''To which of the angels did He say: "You are my son...."? is criminally seperated from a context,thereby rendering it impotent. the point here is that the answer is within the context and the writer presents it in a technical way, hence the argument! Anthypophora uses the principle of rhetorical questions to ask questions which the speaker wishes to answer. as you see above. Boomark |
Re: Is Michael The Archangel Really Jesus? (revelation 12:7) by Nobody: 12:42am On Dec 20, 2012 |
plappville:ONLY THING FROSBEL CONCURS TO IS HIS OWN DOCTRINE. LOLZ. WE SHALL LEAVE HIM IN HIS OWN FOLLY I BELIEVE FROSBEL SAID A HOLY GHOST PUT THE BABY IN MARYS STOMACH <<< CRAZY TALK *SMH* |
Re: Is Michael The Archangel Really Jesus? (revelation 12:7) by Nobody: 12:46am On Dec 20, 2012 |
TroGunn:AND I REPEAT. BOOKMARK IS A DRUNK. HOW HE GETS THAT MICHEAL THE ARCHANGEL IS NOT CHRIST FROM HIS HEBREW 1 VS 5 AND 13 IS BEYOND ME. BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ANGEL AND ARCHANGEL 2 Likes |
Re: Is Michael The Archangel Really Jesus? (revelation 12:7) by Nobody: 12:47am On Dec 20, 2012 |
pastormustwacc: This thread. . .THE THREAD IS GOING STRONG SIRE. THAT STONE THAT YOU REJECTED HAS BECOME A STUMBLING BLOCK 2 Likes |
Re: Is Michael The Archangel Really Jesus? (revelation 12:7) by Nobody: 12:52am On Dec 20, 2012 |
ijawkid:YOU ARE RIGHT. AND I DID ERR A LITTLE YESTERDAY. YOU WANT TO KNOW HOW I KNOW THAT THE ARCHANGEL MICHEAL IS CHRIST ? CHRIST IS FROM THE TRIBE OF JUDAH AND CAME TO DIE FOR ISRAEL. MATTHEW 15 VS 24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. <<<< SO CHRIST IS AN ISRAELITE FROM THE TRIBE OF JUDAH ( HEBREW 7 VS 14 ) WHO CAME TO GIVE SALVATION TO THE ELECT OF ISRAEL. AND IN SPEAKING TO DANIEL, ALSO AN ELECT OF ISRAEL THIS IS WHAT THE LORD TOLD HIM DANIEL 12 VS 1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people <<< JESUS AS MICHEAL STANDING UP FOR DANIELS PEOPLE WHO WILL BE ISRAEL. CASE CLOSED 3 Likes |
Re: Is Michael The Archangel Really Jesus? (revelation 12:7) by ijawkid(m): 12:56am On Dec 20, 2012 |
obadiah777: YOU ARE RIGHT. AND I DID ERR A LITTLE YESTERDAY. YOU WANT TO KNOW HOW I KNOW THAT THE ARCHANGEL MICHEAL IS CHRIST ? CHRIST IS FROM THE TRIBE OF JUDAH AND CAME TO DIE FOR ISRAEL. MATTHEW 15 VS 24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. <<<< SO CHRIST IS AN ISRAELITE FROM THE TRIBE OF JUDAH ( HEBREW 7 VS 14 ) WHO CAME TO GIVE SALVATION TO THE ELECT OF ISRAEL. Now you see why we are twin brothers....let's drink to this... Oya make I go buy 2 bottles of heineken......... Its all about precept upon precepts bro..... 2 Likes |
Re: Is Michael The Archangel Really Jesus? (revelation 12:7) by Nobody: 1:05am On Dec 20, 2012 |
ijawkid:LMAO. DUNNO BOUT THE DRINK BRAH. I AM 6 DAYS SOBER I WANT TO GIVE IT UP ENTIRELY. THE THING DEY DRAIN MY VITAMINS AND MINERALS.BUT WE GO CELEBRATE WITH VITAMALT LOLZ. BROS HOW NAIJA ? OH BOY THAT FRONTPAGE, NA SCARY NEWS WE DEY HEAR SHA. TODAY NA TRAILER PLUNGE, TOMORROW NA PLANE, THEN HELICOPTER, THEN BOKO HARAM, THEN FLOOD, THEN CHARLIE BOY BUTT NEKKID IN MAGAZINE << |
Re: Is Michael The Archangel Really Jesus? (revelation 12:7) by ijawkid(m): 1:16am On Dec 20, 2012 |
obadiah777: LMAO. DUNNO BOUT THE DRINK BRAH. I AM 6 DAYS SOBER I WANT TO GIVE IT UP ENTIRELY. THE THING DEY DRAIN MY VITAMINS AND MINERALS.BUT WE GO CELEBRATE WITH VITAMALT LOLZ. BROS HOW NAIJA ? OH BOY THAT FRONTPAGE, NA SCARY NEWS WE DEY HEAR SHA. TODAY NA TRAILER PLUNGE, TOMORROW NA PLANE, THEN HELICOPTER, THEN BOKO HARAM, THEN FLOOD, THEN CHARLIE BOY BUTT NEKKID IN MAGAZINE << My bro na so o........bad news all over naija.......smh!!!!.... As for charlie boy just leave that mad man alone.......na to do yeye things him sabi........ The helicopter crash took place in bayelsa my state......the governor was on a frolic movement when this dilemma caught up with him..........you know how naija politicians move about unnecessarily........ My bro its just sad news everywhere...... ___________________________ I can get maltina or some pepsi if heineken would drain your system....lol....... |
Re: Is Michael The Archangel Really Jesus? (revelation 12:7) by Nobody: 1:22am On Dec 20, 2012 |
ijawkid:WELL YOU KNOW ALL ISSUES OF DEATH IS FROM THE LORD ( I KNOW THIS IS ONE SCRIPTURE YOU DONT AGREE WITH ME ON LOLZ.) BUT I GOT THE VERSES. PSALMS 68 VS 20, 1 SAMUEL 2 VS 6, DEUTERONOMY 32 VS 39, AMOS 3 VS 6, ISAIAH 45 VS 7, LAMENTATIONS 3 VS 38. SO THESE ARE JUDGEMENTS BEEN HANDED OUT. SCRIPTURE DO SAY THE LORD WILL NOT MAKE A RIGHTEOUS PERSON PERISH ( JOB 4 VS 7 ) ( JOB 8 VS 20 ). EITHER WAY, GOD KNOWS BEST. MALTINA SOUNDS MIGHT FINE |
Re: Is Michael The Archangel Really Jesus? (revelation 12:7) by ijawkid(m): 1:39am On Dec 20, 2012 |
obadiah777: WELL YOU KNOW ALL ISSUES OF DEATH IS FROM THE LORD ( I KNOW THIS IS ONE SCRIPTURE YOU DONT AGREE WITH ME ON LOLZ.) BUT I GOT THE VERSES. PSALMS 68 VS 20, 1 SAMUEL 2 VS 6, DEUTERONOMY 32 VS 39, AMOS 3 VS 6, ISAIAH 45 VS 7, LAMENTATIONS 3 VS 38. SO THESE ARE JUDGEMENTS BEEN HANDED OUT. SCRIPTURE DO SAY THE LORD WILL NOT MAKE A RIGHTEOUS PERSON PERISH ( JOB 4 VS 7 ) ( JOB 8 VS 20 ). EITHER WAY, GOD KNOWS BEST. MALTINA SOUNDS MIGHT FINE I know for sure that some of these greedy men are reaping what they must have sown sometime ago...... you know I'll always disagree with you when it concerns innocent persons............ Hope you'll be coming to naija soon...??... No fear ya country o...lol... |
Re: Is Michael The Archangel Really Jesus? (revelation 12:7) by Nobody: 2:04am On Dec 20, 2012 |
ijawkid:BROS I DEY WORK ON AM. I GO FULL GROUND SOON GOD WILLING. OH BOY THOSE WEY PERISH NO BE INNOCENT OOOOOOO ( JOB 4 VS 7 ) ( JOB 8 VS 20 ) <<<< CHECK THOSE 2 VERSES OUT IN THE KJV. INNOCENT PERSON NO DEY PERISH. I AM SURE YOU BELIEVE BABA GOD WHEN HE SAYS THAT. I NO FEAR NAIJA AT ALL. THE POWER WEY DEY IN ME DEY GREATER THAN ALL THE DEMONS WEY DEY FOR THAT SIDE |
Re: Is Michael The Archangel Really Jesus? (revelation 12:7) by truthislight: 8:38am On Dec 20, 2012 |
obadiah777: BROS I DEY WORK ON AM. I GO FULL GROUND SOON GOD WILLING. OH BOY THOSE WEY PERISH NO BE INNOCENT OOOOOOO ( JOB 4 VS 7 ) ( JOB 8 VS 20 ) <<<< CHECK THOSE 2 VERSES OUT IN THE KJV. INNOCENT PERSON NO DEY PERISH. I AM SURE YOU BELIEVE BABA GOD WHEN HE SAYS THAT. I NO FEAR NAIJA AT ALL. THE POWER WEY DEY IN ME DEY GREATER THAN ALL THE DEMONS WEY DEY FOR THAT SIDE my guy, i hope you know that some of the statement in Job were made by the fake/false advisers/companion of Job? Besides, God will not punish the righteouse yes, but the ruler of this world is satan and as such evil can still happen to the righteouse once. "And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in the hand of the wicked one" (1 John 5:19). 1 Like |
Re: Is Michael The Archangel Really Jesus? (revelation 12:7) by Boomark(m): 9:22am On Dec 20, 2012 |
TroGunn: Daniel 10:13 New International Version (NIV) 13 But the prince of the Persian kingdom resisted me twenty-one days. Then Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, because I was detained there with the king of Persia. Chief/foremost princes is not just one person. They are more than one. Michael is the prince of the people. |
Re: Is Michael The Archangel Really Jesus? (revelation 12:7) by Boomark(m): 9:35am On Dec 20, 2012 |
plappville: Yea, i now remember he has a group. That article is one his group members. |
Re: Is Michael The Archangel Really Jesus? (revelation 12:7) by ijawkid(m): 9:42am On Dec 20, 2012 |
Boomark: And the other princes are the prince of persia ,prince of babylon,prince of the anglo/american world power......... Jesus is the prince of Gods people(both the natural isrealites back then and the isreal of God today)........... That same daniel mentioned the other foremost princes........ 2 Likes |
Re: Is Michael The Archangel Really Jesus? (revelation 12:7) by Boomark(m): 10:22am On Dec 20, 2012 |
obadiah777: YOU ARE RIGHT. AND I DID ERR A LITTLE YESTERDAY. YOU WANT TO KNOW HOW I KNOW THAT THE ARCHANGEL MICHEAL IS CHRIST ? CHRIST IS FROM THE TRIBE OF JUDAH AND CAME TO DIE FOR ISRAEL. MATTHEW 15 VS 24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. <<<< SO CHRIST IS AN ISRAELITE FROM THE TRIBE OF JUDAH ( HEBREW 7 VS 14 ) WHO CAME TO GIVE SALVATION TO THE ELECT OF ISRAEL. This was how you closed a case yesterday. I opened it again. Try that Hebrew verses and see. Christ is still a messenger now but not an angel. He still possess flaming fire looks. |
Re: Is Michael The Archangel Really Jesus? (revelation 12:7) by Boomark(m): 10:51am On Dec 20, 2012 |
# Is the Republican party the Rhetorical questions always have an already made answer for it which ever type of rhetorical question it is. So tell us the answer to Hebrew 1:5. The decree is the focal point. You said the answer should be within the context, why then do you criminally separate v5 from the context? |
Re: Is Michael The Archangel Really Jesus? (revelation 12:7) by BARRISTERS: 11:26am On Dec 20, 2012 |
@boomark Rhetorical questions always have[b] an already made answer for it[/b] which ever type of rhetorical question it is. before i proceed, are you changing your stand that,Rhetorical questions do not expect any other question, that is the 'question itself' also pose as the answer, because when you say 'an already made answer' is it within the context of the idea, or within the sole question itself? So tell us the answer to Hebrew 1:5. 4, Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. 5, For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? bolded is the answer! par 4,5 are joint statement! 'for' in the beggining of par 5 confirm a continous idea in the the statement,and hence vs5 cannot stand alone! The decree is the focal point. You said the answer should be within the context, why then do you criminally separate v5 from the context? i never did, but rather joined it rightly so as to make a meaning! |
Re: Is Michael The Archangel Really Jesus? (revelation 12:7) by Boomark(m): 2:56pm On Dec 20, 2012 |
@barristers Rhetoric questions has answer ready for it. If you are asking so many questions without answers or the following questions implying the answer, then what you are asking is a direct question. As an heir and due to his inheritance, he was better than the angels and not at their level or one of them. |
Re: Is Michael The Archangel Really Jesus? (revelation 12:7) by BARRISTERS: 4:21pm On Dec 20, 2012 |
@boomark Rhetoric questions has answer ready for it. If you are asking so many questions without answers or the following questions implying the answer, then what you are asking is a direct question. an heir he was appointed 'an heir' not when in the heaven; bolded above, heb 1 verse 2;whom He [size=14pt]has appointed[/size] heir of all things. his appoitment as heir of all things. is confirmed after his fuffilment on earth; phill 2:9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name. that is the [b]dramatic answer [/b]the rhetoric question is trying to pose, im only trating verse 2 alongside because it is parrallel with verse 4, which highlight jesus rise after his obtaining 'a better' name! |
Re: Is Michael The Archangel Really Jesus? (revelation 12:7) by Boomark(m): 4:40pm On Dec 20, 2012 |
BARRISTERS: @boomark So the decree "You are my son..." was made after his stay on earth? |
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