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Re: Passengers Overwhelm NRC On Lagos-kano Route by headtoto: 6:33pm On Jan 20, 2013
I dont think the train thing for now is for people who can afford alternative means of travel, like coaches, airplanes or their personal cars. This train service is probably a welcome development to most people who travel to the north on trailers, on trucks, on petrol tankers etc just because they cant afford the normal fares for better travel up North. to those people, what will they be complaining about 30hrs, when in actual fact they probably spend more time than that on trailers and all their unconventional means of travel hitherto.

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Re: Passengers Overwhelm NRC On Lagos-kano Route by rodeo0070(m): 7:24pm On Jan 20, 2013
ceejay80s: so, u prefer to be conductor for the train?
So you think that's the only kind of job that will be available if there's a general upgrade and expansion of the existing facilities?
The accounts department will need more people, engineering department also, Medic, Safety, Technicians, Security, Admin, Logistics, etc. You name it. Mind you these are direct employment...

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Re: Passengers Overwhelm NRC On Lagos-kano Route by greaterlove(m): 7:46pm On Jan 20, 2013
otokx: They should increase the price if so
i dont think that is a good idea, they should look for a way to increase the number of trains thereby increasing the number of days they leave lagos to kano and vice versa.
Re: Passengers Overwhelm NRC On Lagos-kano Route by toideve(m): 7:49pm On Jan 20, 2013
A whole 30hrs shocked
Re: Passengers Overwhelm NRC On Lagos-kano Route by Nobody: 7:54pm On Jan 20, 2013
deor03: Typical rubbish mindset, instead of increasing capacity, they are saying they want to reduce adverts.

There was a time NITEL had thesame mindset. where are they today ?
You're wrong. He's talking of reducing the crowds in the short term, while the system is further developed to integrate more trains.

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Re: Passengers Overwhelm NRC On Lagos-kano Route by Nobody: 8:03pm On Jan 20, 2013
manny4life:

A lot of you guys are just either plainly silly or just completely ignorant. If you better better coaches that travel and 3x the same speed of the locomotive, won't you offer the same price and increase service on same route by x3? Geez, sometimes I feel like there are kids on this forum.

Spending 30hrs on a trip as against spend 10hrs for same trip, do the math - if you bought a train that travels at 3x the speed of the current train, everything remaining equal, wouldn't you cover the same 30hrs in three trips? Isn't that triple income? Man, a lot of yall lack simple business acumen. Going by your mentality, Nigeria is in derious trouble.
You're the one that's not thinking straight. It's not just about "buying faster trains". You need a system that can easily accommodate such trains, which are basically electric trains, and hence, a more solid electricity infrastructure will be required. That's probably a couple of years off, so be patient.

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Re: Passengers Overwhelm NRC On Lagos-kano Route by naptu2: 8:10pm On Jan 20, 2013
head_to_to:

Laugh wan kill me die. You go school at all? So na because make people no ride on top trains, na im make dem raise the lines?

Have you read the Lagos State Government LRT briefing document? Have you read the reasons given there?


Read and educate yourself

http://www.lagosrail.com/_downloads/Lagos%20Blue%20Line%20Project%20Briefing.pdf


http://www.lagosrail.com/_downloads/Lagos%20Red%20Line%20Project%20Briefing.pdf
Re: Passengers Overwhelm NRC On Lagos-kano Route by thelastPope(m): 8:13pm On Jan 20, 2013
ROSSIKE: You're the one that's not thinking straight. It's not just about "buying faster trains". You need a system that can easily accommodate such trains, which are basically electric trains, and hence, a more solid electricity infrastructure will be required. That's probably a couple of years off, so be patient.

You know its sad that some folks just want to spread their sadness and bitterness around. While it is in order for us to keep the pressure up on the government, you have to wonder why some on this forum want to rubbish any good news with venomous fiery. It is sad. Even with electric trains in place, locomotive trains will not stop operating just like in the US and Europe. We have to learn to ignore such critics on NL. They do no one any good, including themselves.

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Re: Passengers Overwhelm NRC On Lagos-kano Route by manny4life(m): 8:13pm On Jan 20, 2013
ROSSIKE: You're the one that's not thinking straight. It's not just about "buying faster trains". You need a system that can easily accommodate such trains, which are basically electric trains, and hence, a more solid electricity infrastructure will be required. That's probably a couple of years off, so be patient.

No offense, but apparently, you have jumped the gun making me believe you're not the one with your think hat on.

Who's talking about electric trains? Is it only electric trains that travel at moderate speed? Don't they have locomotives trains that use diesel that travel faster that what your current train is going at now? Geez, what is wrong with you people? I'm so done with this argument... It is whatever man.
Re: Passengers Overwhelm NRC On Lagos-kano Route by thelastPope(m): 8:20pm On Jan 20, 2013
naptu2:

Have you read the Lagos State Government LRT briefing document? Have you read the reasons given there?


Read and educate yourself

http://www.lagosrail.com/_downloads/Lagos%20Blue%20Line%20Project%20Briefing.pdf


http://www.lagosrail.com/_downloads/Lagos%20Red%20Line%20Project%20Briefing.pdf

If that is the reason given by Lagos state goverment, then they don't know what they are talking about. The key reason for raising lines or taking them under ground is to maximize space especially through crowded and congested cities. You do not raise lines in open forests for example. The raising of lines is extra cost for the project. It is not because they want to deter people from climbing the trains. That a ridiculous reason to spend such extra cost.

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Re: Passengers Overwhelm NRC On Lagos-kano Route by naptu2: 8:23pm On Jan 20, 2013
thelastPope:

If that is the reason given by Lagos state goverment, then they don't know what they are talking about. The key reason for raising lines or taking them under ground is to maximize space especially through crowded and congested cities. You do not raise lines in open forests for example. The raising of lines is extra cost for the project. It is not because they want to deter people from climbing the trains. That a ridiculous reason to spend such extra cost.

They want to deter people from having access to the train lines and also eliminate level crossings, so they are building huge barriers and building rail bridges. Question: how would people have access to the track to do what is described in the articles I'll post if the tracks are high up on those bridges?
Re: Passengers Overwhelm NRC On Lagos-kano Route by naptu2: 8:24pm On Jan 20, 2013
naptu2: 26 Arrested Over Alleged Attempted Suicide


A team of railway officials and policemen on Wednesday night in Lagos arrested 26 men, including a deaf and dumb, for allegedly sitting on the roof of a moving train and attempting to commit suicide.


The News Agency of Nigeria (NAN) reports that the men were arrested at about 8 p.m. at Iju railway station on the roof of the Iddo-Ijoko mass transit train.


Mr Samuel Elumole, district superintendent of the railways, told NAN in Lagos on Thursday that the men would be charged to court on Friday for “attempting to commit suicide”.


According to Elumole, though the offence carries a fine of N50,000 or a 3-month imprisonment, the Nigeria Railway Corporation (NRC) will plead that the men be sent to prison as the fine had proved to be no deterrent against this suicidal act.

https://www.nairaland.com/666131/26-arrested-over-alleged-attempted#8309416
Re: Passengers Overwhelm NRC On Lagos-kano Route by thelastPope(m): 8:29pm On Jan 20, 2013
naptu2:

They want to deter people from having access to the train lines and also eliminate level crossings, so they are building huge barriers and building rail bridges. Question: how would people have access to the track to do what is described in the articles I'll post if the tracks are high up on those bridges?

Like I said before, maximize space, then you can add to avoid crossings, to avoid damage from public activities, etc. Detering those who want to climb and hang on should not be a reason to spend extra cost. Have you seen electric trains for example, you can hardly on to them.
Re: Passengers Overwhelm NRC On Lagos-kano Route by naptu2: 8:34pm On Jan 20, 2013
thelastPope:

Like I said before, maximize space, then you can add to avoid crossings, to avoid damage from public activities, etc. Detering those who want to climb and hang on should not be a reason to spend extra cost. Have you seen electric trains for example, you can hardly on to them.

Hahahahahahahaha! Like you didn't see "one of the reasons" in my original post. Of course it maximises space, but it also makes it difficult for people to encroach on the rail line.
Re: Passengers Overwhelm NRC On Lagos-kano Route by naptu2: 8:35pm On Jan 20, 2013
naptu2: Passenger killed while boarding train at Agbado, Ogun state

Lagos – A passenger was killed and another broke his legs while rushing to board a moving and  overcrowded train at Agbado train station, Ogun, on Monday.

According to reports, the two separate accidents were linked with the Ijoko-Lagos Mass Transit Trains (MTT) services of the Nigeria Railway Corporation (NRC).

The mangled body of the dead victim was pulled out from the wheels and placed beside the rail track, while the man with a broken leg was taken to a nearby hospital.

Eyewitnesses told journalist that the two victims slipped and fell off while trying to board the moving train.

“The man that died rushed to board the train while on motion, he would have succeeded but was blocked by passengers hanging at the entrance.

Regular train passengers blamed the accidents on overcrowding and the attitude of passengers who blocked the entrance of the coaches, preventing other passengers from getting onto the train.

An NRC official, who pleaded anonymity, told journalists at Agbado station that the incidents had been reported to the NRC headquarters at Ebute Meta for proper action.

Earlier, the railway police command had warned passengers against hanging on moving trains, saying that offenders would be charged with attempted suicide.

Meanwhile, a trader at Agbado station, Mrs Ronke Ogunlade, has appealed to the NRC to increase the number of shuttle services and attach more coaches to trains on the route.

“The number of passengers on this route is increasing on daily basis; I think more shuttles and more coaches would solve the problem,’’ she said

She said that people would continue to hang on the train because there were not enough coaches for the ever-increasing passengers on the route. (NAN)


http://news2.onlinenigeria.com/national/145962-passenger-killed-while-boarding-train-at-agbado-ogun-state.html
Re: Passengers Overwhelm NRC On Lagos-kano Route by naptu2: 8:36pm On Jan 20, 2013
naptu2: Nigerian police harassment at Jibowu railway line.

https://www.nairaland.com/738583/nigerian-police-harassment-jibowu-railway
Re: Passengers Overwhelm NRC On Lagos-kano Route by jumobi1(m): 8:39pm On Jan 20, 2013
thelastPope:

Google is always your friend. It takes 2 days to travel from Los Angeles California to Austin Texas on Amtrak trains. That is 1400km. Locomotive trains are still used all over the world. Some of you just comment ignorantly.
It's not 1400 km. it's 1400 miles which is about 2300km.
It takes between 33-68 hrs depending on what train you catch.
By the way, no one takes the AMTRAK from Cali to Texas because of the economics. The train are also connecting trains where you will have to transfer to another Train line in another State.

30 hours is too much
Re: Passengers Overwhelm NRC On Lagos-kano Route by naptu2: 8:48pm On Jan 20, 2013
Re: Passengers Overwhelm NRC On Lagos-kano Route by manny4life(m): 8:52pm On Jan 20, 2013
jumobi1:
It's not 1400 km. it's 1400 miles which is about 2300km.
It takes between 33-68 hrs depending on what train you catch.
By the way, no one takes the AMTRAK from Cali to Texas because of the economics. The train are also connecting trains where you will have to transfer to another Train line in another State.

30 hours is too much

Don't mind the local yampion, quickly attacked my post, now u see why I'm laughing stupidly at him. Oh btw, I checked out the Amtrak he claimed, guess what, max out was 33hrs for a 1,400 mile trip. Now do the comparison, after all he called Amtrak... lol

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Re: Passengers Overwhelm NRC On Lagos-kano Route by naptu2: 8:59pm On Jan 20, 2013
At Yaba I've watched people chase the train and jump aboard in the same way that people jump aboard molue buses.

The NRC and Railway Police Command have tried to discourage this practice, but people won't listen (as you can read in the report I posted above, people have died while trying to climb aboard these trains from the track side). This won't be possible on the rail bridges.
Re: Passengers Overwhelm NRC On Lagos-kano Route by jpphilips(m): 12:59pm On Jan 21, 2013
40Lightyears:


Let FG start thinking of expanding the rail system now. With a population of 160 million, what we have on ground now won't go anywhere.
They can take a cue from China and Indias' rail system, that services hundreds of millions of passengers.

Don't be surprised that all this revenue being generated will be consumed by one act of corruption, i see this Govt not achieving much in the face of corruption.

it is no rocket science to partner with a local bank or 2nd tier train manufacturer with a sweet deal like this.
Re: Passengers Overwhelm NRC On Lagos-kano Route by laudate: 12:04am On Aug 07, 2014
thelastPope:

Even you? Haba, you dey fall hand with dis kind ignorant post, walahi!

Again:

Google is always your friend. It takes 2 days to travel from Los Angeles California to Austin Texas on Amtrak trains. That is 1400km. Locomotive trains are still used all over the world. Some of you just comment ignorantly.

Oga, your comparison is not detailed enough. What do the interior of the Los Angeles California to Austin Texas coaches look like? What comfort level do they provide? Is it comparable to the discomfort encountered in the coaches on the Lagos - Kano route? Please when replying, post the url/link from Google so we can read and verify.

jumobi1:
It's not 1400 km. it's 1400 miles which is about 2300km.
It takes between 33-68 hrs depending on what train you catch.
By the way, no one takes the AMTRAK from Cali to Texas because of the economics. The train are also connecting trains where you will have to transfer to another Train line in another State.

30 hours is too much

@jumobi1, thanks a lot for clarifying the issue for us o jare. The link/url would have been helpful, sha. Anyway, thank God for more objective views & matured minds like yours, on this thread. wink

After wasting 30 solid hours on the rail tracks, what time would you have left for other activities when you arrive at your destination?

In this day & age, when other countries are installing modern gauge tracks and high speed bullet trains to cut down on delay, some folks are celebrating old, refurbished locomotives that are managing to crawl over a distance of 690 km from Lagos to Kano in 30 hours! shocked Not 30 minutes oh! shocked
Re: Passengers Overwhelm NRC On Lagos-kano Route by eaglechild: 12:53am On Aug 07, 2014
ROSSIKE: You're the one that's not thinking straight. It's not just about "buying faster trains". You need a system that can easily accommodate such trains, which are basically electric trains, and hence, a more solid electricity infrastructure will be required. That's probably a couple of years off, so be patient.
You have just said it all.

Trains that go at very fast speeds are invariably electric and we still deficient in power supply.

Many countries are beginning to show serious interest in power investment in African, including US, and Sweden(who is looking to put in up to $2B). Also Dangote and Blackstone.
That will usher in the real economic boom.
Re: Passengers Overwhelm NRC On Lagos-kano Route by laudate: 2:09am On Aug 08, 2014
Even if electric trains are not feasible for now, why not buy locomotives that can move at a faster speed than these 1970 tokunbo types that are currently plying our rail tracks?

It doesn't make much economic or commercial sense, for a working professional to spend 2 days travelling from Lagos to Kano or to spend 3-4 hours on a trip from Lagos to Ibadan by rail. sad

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