iSoldier: Though i just wish that those supporting gays wold be just clearheaded for once, if you know the true meaning of following Christ you know that there is no room for homosexuality in christianity. so i think they should just forget about putting the pressure on the church to condone it, there is no grey area btw the two. if the gays want acceptance they should just go and form their own religion, and stop trying to change christians to accept them, its just foolhardy. There is no way if you go through the bible and you find support for that, argue it with the best philosophical arguement, it wont bulge. and i think the West wants to put political pressure on the church to accept it, but they forget that ther is a spiritual side to it, it wont just work so they should stop trying

Though I'm not really interested in christian theology and its take on homosexuality except to Anony's concept of love, however Sin is taken to be a disease, like leprosy. Yet love is expected to be shown on the diseased rather than neglect and isolation. So how does the good Samaritan story affect homosexuality today?

what are u insinuating?

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author=advocate666]And this is the man with PhD in applied mathematics?
Dem dash am the degree or was it honorary?[/quote]

UnderDaRadar: I have an important question here. My little 7yr old nephew loves to play with dolls and is quite very effeminate, he walks with a swing and we as family members are quite sure he's gay or gonna be gay. Now do we kill him, cos he's obviously an abomination, do we chain him to pastor adeboye's pulpit and exorcise the gayness out of him, do we fast and pray and plead with God that he made a mistake in giving us a gay beautiful boy, afterall we all are gifts from God, don't know why he chose to give us a gay one though when He knows its sinful to be gay. Bear in mind this kid is too young to understand sexuality or sex for that matter.

The first signs of being gay obviously...many people reject these signs as being abnormal, thinking the child will go "normal" once he reaches puberty stage. Of course the child will adjust his physical behaviour to the normal way...but the feelings, rather than tend towards the opposite sex, will be for the same sex.

And the parents would never have a clue, thinking their kid is straight.

UnderDaRadar: I have an important question here. My little 7yr old nephew loves to play with dolls and is quite very effeminate, he walks with a swing and we as family members are quite sure he's gay or gonna be gay. Now do we kill him, cos he's obviously an abomination, do we chain him to pastor adeboye's pulpit and exorcise the gayness out of him, do we fast and pray and plead with God that he made a mistake in giving us a gay beautiful boy, afterall we all are gifts from God, don't know why he chose to give us a gay one though when He knows its sinful to be gay. Bear in mind this kid is too young to understand sexuality or sex for that matter.

you're to correct the child, ever heard of child training? I've seen kids who seemed like natural preachers/pastors but didn't become anything close. Some were church and Bible literature loving, preaching to the mirror and all that, there was this kid who even threatened to destroy their TV and whatnot. Didn't exactly turn out a Bishop. If you had a little fellow who likes taking money from people pocket, and taking other children's property, would you. just leave him to his nature? That a piece of land naturally grows weed doesn't mean it must be left weedy since that is the nature. Remove the weed, and build something profitable. Train UP a child in the way he ought to go. Some kids don't like reading or math or writing, they were trained and are leaders today. Train your 7yr old, show some responsibility.

UnderDaRadar:

Sarcasm of course, being gay is much more than a guy sticking his penis into another dude's anus, which of cos some heterosexuals do with girls. It entails thinking, perception, taste in music, color, movies, etc ...should I force Rap on a 7yr old who love Spice Girls and dressing up. We love him irrespective of his future sexual orientation, and if we mere mortals can love s1 so different from the norm then why wud his Creator, God despise him.

why not try teaching him and patiently correcting him? Correction is not necessarily done with force. If he was asick child that loves eating say sugar or something that's affecting his health, would you leave him to what he loves? if you had a dullar.d child who all he loves is to play video games or ludo, would you leave him to his inclinations? Now it has to do with morality and godliness, you're forming human rights and sleekly blaming God?

Kay 17:

But earlier you said christians are sinleSs and pure dUE to the exercise of their power frm Christ. If such power isn't exercised, they wouldn't be Christians in the first place!

perhaps you read me wrong, i say Christians have power to overcome and resist sin, its a power others don't possess. That is one reason Jesus is so important in every life. As for the many not exercising their powers, they have their reward. I'm not the rewarder, though your conclusion is not v.far from mine.

Symphony007: yes, the bible also talks about stoning the adulterous why is'nt it done today? The bible talks about capital purnishment of death for not obeying the sabath, the talks alot about the death penalty for lots of things. Why is'nt that being done today? Why cherry picking the things you like(anti-gay) and ignoring the things you want to avoid( death penalty).

Nobody is cherry picking anything. Tell me one place in the Bible were homosexuality is endorsed; then I will SHUT my mouth. Jesus gave a prime example when people were about to stone an adulterous woman - because it was the Jewish law, what was his response "If you haven't sin before", then go ahead and stone her. After that, what did he tell her - Go and SIN no more. Do you see the distinction between the Jewish Law and Grace here. The same applies to Homosexuality, while a gay has the right to love anyone they choose, Gods grace is abundant but God will not abolish his law to be politically correct. Christians will not hate you for been gay; however, we will not endorse it either because IT IS NOT ENDORSED OR SUPPORTED IN THE BIBLE. IT IS CONDEMNED.

I don't think this thread is about death penalty in the Bible. You can open one and we will address it accordingly. This one is about homosexuality and if the Bible endorses it. IT DOESN'T AND NEVER WILL.

Kay 17:

Though I'm not really interested in christian theology and its take on homosexuality except to Anony's concept of love, however Sin is taken to be a disease, like leprosy. Yet love is expected to be shown on the diseased rather than neglect and isolation. So how does the good Samaritan story affect homosexuality today?

The story of homosexxuality is nothing different from the perversion of God's original design of mankind, As you can see People are addressing religion, but Christianity is life, following Christ as He follows God, remember the story of the adulterous woman, he did not condemn the woman, he condemn the Sin, Sin is Sin, but remember he told the woman to go and Sin no more...

There is still stranger forms of perversion that will still come, the world aint seen nothing yet, even in Paul time there was a man that was sleeping with his father's wife and bragging in the church, just imagine that, he told them that they should cast him out of the church because of pollution of the body of christ, not because they dont love him, love demands a strong action sometimes, then when the guy repented the church did not know what to do then he said that thay should receive him back into the fold.Acording to christianity if any man is born again, his spirit himself knows that God does not condone any kind of Sin, including homosexuality.

Methinks that some people wants to pervert christianity, thats why there is such a large attack on the church, but if God is for the church, then let the world try its best they will not win. In some other forms of religion they will stone him to death. but personally, its interesting to watch what ways people try to justify homosexuality, its like watching a debate in which people are just trying to say that In the Bible God was not in his right State of mind when he said it, anyway i will keep watching...

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you're to correct the child, ever heard of child training? I've seen kids who seemed like natural preachers/pastors but didn't become anything close. Some were church and Bible literature loving, preaching to the mirror and all that, there was this kid who even threatened to destroy their TV and whatnot. Didn't exactly turn out a Bishop. If you had a little fellow who likes taking money from people pocket, and taking other children's property, would you. just leave him to his nature? That a piece of land naturally grows weed doesn't mean it must be left weedy since that is the nature. Remove the weed, and build something profitable. Train UP a child in the way he ought to go. Some kids don't like reading or math or writing, they were trained and are leaders today. Train your 7yr old, show some responsibility.

I'm sorry, I didn't know u cud train/un-train sexual orientation and of cos this all now makes perfect sense ...it's the fault of the 'irresponsible' parents all over the world that their kids turned out different from the norm. Has nothing to do with the fact that its etched in their DNA. There is no running away from reality. Instead of people here throwing stones and abusing sth they don't understand why not preach LOVE and TOLERANCE just as The Lord Jesus Christ advocated for. If ur looking at the Old ways of the law from the Old Testament we shud all also be championing the slaughter of sheep to please God, the rule against women wearing trousers, the law against women pastors, the law against sea food like shrimps and lobsters, fornication, pornography and also did u know according to the old testament if u masturbate u have displeased God greatly. The Bible was once used to justify slavery of Africans and God didn't come down from Heaven to stop it, it took the bravery of a few humans to fight for the rights of Black people and end slavery and also the rights of Women.

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you're to correct the child, ever heard of child training? I've seen kids who seemed like natural preachers/pastors but didn't become anything close. Some were church and Bible literature loving, preaching to the mirror and all that, there was this kid who even threatened to destroy their TV and whatnot. Didn't exactly turn out a Bishop. If you had a little fellow who likes taking money from people pocket, and taking other children's property, would you. just leave him to his nature? That a piece of land naturally grows weed doesn't mean it must be left weedy since that is the nature. Remove the weed, and build something profitable. Train UP a child in the way he ought to go. Some kids don't like reading or math or writing, they were trained and are leaders today. Train your 7yr old, show some responsibility.

Stop comparing a learned trait to a (disputed) basic orientation - your parents didn't teach you to like women, so it is quite preposterous to compare that to stealing.

They say there's an extent someone will tell a lie even the lie would appear as truth to him and those the lie had told over a period of time. When someone tells hard truths about certain lies people have been told were truths people who find such truths unsavoury will spring up to defend the lies which they've been holding onto tenaciously. Don't cricify them man for preaching the truth

advocate666:

because humans don't really care what god's will is. I think god is depressed.

Learn how to use "G" for your creator !
Abi hin be ur mate ! However, u go skool naw.

yomip3t:

Learn how to use "G" for your creator !
Abi hin be ur mate ! However, u go skool naw.

Wrong, god is not my creator. As we believe that he does not exist, there is no need to capitalize the g.

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you're to correct the child, ever heard of child training? I've seen kids who seemed like natural preachers/pastors but didn't become anything close. Some were church and Bible literature loving, preaching to the mirror and all that, there was this kid who even threatened to destroy their TV and whatnot. Didn't exactly turn out a Bishop. If you had a little fellow who likes taking money from people pocket, and taking other children's property, would you. just leave him to his nature? That a piece of land naturally grows weed doesn't mean it must be left weedy since that is the nature. Remove the weed, and build something profitable. Train UP a child in the way he ought to go. Some kids don't like reading or math or writing, they were trained and are leaders today. Train your 7yr old, show some responsibility.

just because the child is effeminate it doesn't mean he's gay or attracted to the oposite sex. Not all effeminates are gay

yomip3t:

Learn how to use "G" for your creator !
Abi hin be ur mate ! However, u go skool naw.

Na im send you? E no fit come defend himself? The hidding wimpy pusssy.

thehomer:

So as a Christian, will you kill your children for changing their religious beliefs? Will you kill anyone you identify to be a witch or a homosexual? Dp you mix the fabric that you wear? By your reasoning, disobeying any of these commands means you're not a Christian.



Even when the Christian steals, lies, cheats, bears false witness or performs any of the numerous evil acts that they do?

No, i wouldn't kill my children for changing their religious belief. i wouldn't accept that he/she did the right thing either. the same Bible that says to kill also says to have mercy. i choose to reconcile the two parts instead of believing just the one that suits my agenda like you have done. In the Old testament, an adulterer and an idolater was killed without mercy, but in the new testament, the adulterer and the idolater is given a chance to repent. the concept is popularly called grace.
Joh 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Note that the mercy or grace has an expiry date. God is not now condoning the sin, if the person does not repent, he/she will be punished by God after death.

A christian is not supposed to commit sin. IF a christian sins, he is no more in spotless white. he needs to repent of his sin.

thehomer:

Obviously, you're the one being insincere because the person I responded to clearly said that all sins were inborn. Have you corrected that person before coming to me? First take the log out of your friend's eye before coming to see me.

Sin is inborn in the sense that all humans are born as sinners. We are sinners by default. no one was born as a saint or as a christian. Everyone needs to be born AGAIN. So, the nature and tendency to sin is already in the man/woman. That's what is implied by inborn. It's like a land growing weed by nature.

UnderDaRadar:

I'm sorry, I didn't know u cud train/un-train sexual orientation and of cos this all now makes perfect sense ...it's the fault of the 'irresponsible' parents all over the world that their kids turned out different from the norm. Has nothing to do with the fact that its etched in their DNA. There is no running away from reality. Instead of people here throwing stones and abusing sth they don't understand why not preach LOVE and TOLERANCE just as The Lord Jesus Christ advocated for. If ur looking at the Old ways of the law from the Old Testament we shud all also be championing the slaughter of sheep to please God, the rule against women wearing trousers, the law against women pastors, the law against sea food like shrimps and lobsters, fornication, pornography and also did u know according to the old testament if u masturbate u have displeased God greatly. The Bible was once used to justify slavery of Africans and God didn't come down from Heaven to stop it, it took the bravery of a few humans to fight for the rights of Black people and end slavery and also the rights of Women.

well, now you know that you can train/untrain sexual information. Information is power. i know of a girl who was never a lesbo for more than 20yrs heterosexual, until she was introduced to lesbo friends in school after she travelled abroad. her orientation changed, she was re-trained.
1Co 15:33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.
And vice versa.
i never attributed fault to anyone, i only gave suggestions on how you can responsibly train up your nephew. Sin is etched in every human's dna. The tendency to do wrong is there, but you can be trained and disciplined to the extent of good manners and acceptable/even godly behaviour. Responsibility is reality, be a responsible uncle and parent, train and correct others instead of facing the reality of having natural thieves, r.apists, murderers, criminals, homos etc.
Who doesn't undrstand homosexuality? Saying it is bad is not the same as throwing stones. Jesus never tolerated sin. He mingled and dined with REPENTANT sinners(of any kind of sin). He wasn't fumbling around and being politically correct with folks that wanted to REMAIN prosti.tutes, thieves, homosexu.als, murderers etc. Jesus hated sin
Heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Rev 2:6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate.

debosky:

Stop comparing a learned trait to a (disputed) basic orientation - your parents didn't teach you to like women, so it is quite preposterous to compare that to stealing.

my parents neither taught me how to steal nor to be an homosexual. i do not get your point. Homosexuality is a sin, stealing is a sin, they are comparable.

thehomer:

I see no problem using government force to prevent discrimination. Do you see a problem with that? What do you think debauchery is? I hope you're aware that heterosexuals too can be promiscuous.



Marriage is a human institution and the God of the Bible isn't immutable.



I guess the empire that God tried to build but failed in building that kept slaves and waged numerous wars against its neighbours according to the Bible is a good one. And guess what? Women aren't spared in God's empire in that, the Biblical God has been consistent.

So when did discriminating against moral evils be wrong. Its right to discriminate against evil.

If marriage is a human institution then marriage is VOID. Marriage should therefore be open to all - man/woman with animal, father/mother with son/daughter etc etc. If you think thats outrageous your friends the LGBT are actually advocating this

God has not built an Empire here on Earth but when he does Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess Christ as Lord, willingly or unwillingly.

You NEED to correct your English on the last statement as its not understandable.

Regarding womans rights, slavery, rape, paedophilia, infanticide it was not the humanist and secularists who opposed those crimes but CHRISTIANS. The Atheist has no grounds by which he could oppose them since his world view is one of purposelessness and self centeredness and only recognises a world view of "red tooth and claw" ie survival for the fittest.

Hope thats not to difficult to understand.

Zodiac61:
Wrong, god is not my creator. As we believe that he does not exist, there is no need to capitalize the g.

Who created you then ? prob. you must be a kinda alien i guess.

advocate666:

No, he didn't say that. We are talking about humans here.

Okay, just checking

advocate666:

no. he is saying that the idea of an omnipotent loving god is sheer nonsense as it is incompatible with the existence of evil.

Human choice decides what turns out to be evil and what turns out to be good. God has given us the freedom to decide and that is the only true freedom we have. If God had made all of us robots to do EXACTLY what He wanted/wants; then you probably wouldn't be posting on this thread. When a man robs a store, it has nothing to do with God; the thief decided that on his own.

I don't pretend to understand homosexuality - why people are gay and how they feel about it - and I don't think most other Christians, or even atheists, do either so I don't know why people pretend otherwise.

In any case, I feel as though homosexuals are targeted by most Christians as though their sins are worse that everybody else's when sin is sin. As far as I recall the only sin that stands out in the bible is the sin of not accepting Christ. So for those that say "if you are gay you cannot be a Christian" do you apply this to heterosexuals that fornicate, people that lie, people that get jealous, people that are vain, those that chase material items, those that are hostile, i.e. to everyone else? People that are gay and believe in Christ must fight a real battle with their feelings and emotions and need support and love like every other person rather than pseudo-science explaining who they are and hostility. The attitude is very reminiscent of the crown Jesus stopped from stoning a woman, asking those without sin to cast the first stone. It doesn't mean that you say it is biblical if it isn't but you should not give them 'special sinner treatment' just because it's easier to to target them than others.

alexis:

Human choice decides what turns out to be evil and what turns out to be good. God has given us the freedom to decide and that is the only true freedom we have. If God had made all of us robots to do EXACTLY what He wanted/wants; then you probably wouldn't be posting on this thread. When a man robs a store, it has nothing to do with God; the thief decided that on his own.

So why did he create humans?

advocate666:

So why did he create humans?

Gen 1:26



Devil's advocate...i av been watching u... ..u must be very funny...ur master is a BIG loser..

advocate666:

So why did he create humans?

I am a bit confused here. Correct me if I am wrong, I was under the impression that you don't believe in God and/or there is no God. Is that correct?

loswhite: pls can u define human right

In this case, right to love and be love and be loved?

Nkeon: I don't pretend to understand homosexuality - why people are gay and how they feel about it - and I don't think most other Christians, or even atheists, do either so I don't know why people pretend otherwise.

In any case, I feel as though homosexuals are targeted by most Christians as though their sins are worse that everybody else's when sin is sin. As far as I recall the only sin that stands out in the bible is the sin of not accepting Christ. So for those that say "if you are gay you cannot be a Christian" do you apply this to heterosexuals that fornicate, people that lie, people that get jealous, people that are vain, those that chase material items, those that are hostile, i.e. to everyone else? People that are gay and believe in Christ must fight a real battle with their feelings and emotions and need support and love like every other person rather than pseudo-science explaining who they are and hostility. The attitude is very reminiscent of the crown Jesus stopped from stoning a woman, asking those without sin to cast the first stone. It doesn't mean that you say it is biblical if it isn't but you should not give them 'special sinner treatment' just because it's easier to to target them than others.

At least your views are more objective and far better than most of these religious fanatics that do worse things.