kitty kat: Read the article again. 23 percent of Cambridge graduates that year was 1st class. It didn't say 23 per of d total population. Neither me nor the article said Cambridge's 1st class was 23per of the total population. We are talking graduating class here. Also the 23 percent referred to is not an increase to the previous years but actually proportion of the year under study.


Also, I am comparing percentages here not raw numbers.

The comparison part I didn't comment on it. Your own post and understanding is a bit ambiguos. The total article isn't what I am discussing. I am only trying to make d guy there understand that the percentage of 1st class graduetes in UNN isn't that outrageous, as he wanted to know what other top schools were producing.

In order for you understand my line of reasoning, you shd ignore the comparisons of the past and present UK. I am comparing present UK and present UNN.

Tinablack:


Kindly proof read b4 U post.
Well, I lack words 2 say. Bt it goes a long way 2 show aw flexible d school Education system is.

ALAS! Getn a 1st class s nw Easy!
UNN has lost its Glory, d so called lions/lioness nw bleat instead of roar. D quality of der 1st Class graduates has lost value.

A University dat graduated a gul hu slept her way tru uni wit a 1st class, has lost its pride.


I knw a lot I won't wana dsclose abt in UNN. Bt, lemme allow d sleepn DOG lie.


EDucation in Nigeria has lost its value, Grades r nw bought.



Tho, der r Gud Eggs, bt d bad eggs liter in evry nook nd cranny.

God Help Nigeria! If d only UNiversity of Nigeria has lost its value, dn der s NO hope 4 Nigeria.


I Comment my reserve. Hehehe.

kitty kat: All4naija,

This is from Cambridges website. I wonder where u got ur figures from.

http://www.admin.cam.ac.uk/univ/camdata/undergraduate.html

Before u leave d subject of matter and start arguing what a tripos is. Pls see below.
he Tripos system
All Cambridge courses are assessed through examinations in broad subject areas called Triposes. Each Tripos is divided into one or more Parts and you need to complete a number of Parts in one or more Triposes to qualify for the B.A. degree. The table below illustrates the different ways in which Triposes are divided into Parts; there are some restrictions on how you can combine Parts together to make your degree. Most students choose to study all the Parts in a single Tripos but this is not always the case; some Triposes (e.g. Chemical Engineering and Management Studies) are only available from your second or third year at Cambridge.

all4naija: Looking at the chart you presented there has not been much significant change in the percentage of first-class graduates.

kitty kat: I am not talking abt or interested in the percentage of change. I am comparing it Cambridge to UNN. Cambridge has a higher percentage of 1st class students than UNN.

all4naija: Yes, the comparison might be questionable in the sense that there is no materials to work with, research facilities and the evidence of grading. I still think the comparison is not necessarily relevant to see the point that UNN might be wrong.

Concerning University of Cambridge. I am not going to just loose sight of the facts presented in the journalist write-up, that the first-class has more than doubled. Where is the more-than-double figure now coming from?

musiwa14: kitty kat the marking system is different. Those who had upper class in your graph will not have uppper class at the university of ilorin. they will be either third class or lower class..

the marking is different from what they use abroad. And the first class may be second class at the university of ilorin. or below.

The reason is, the grade system is different. Each country have different system. there is no uniform way world wide. what is first class in one country is second class in another.

kool J: All y'all arguing about the number of graduands from UNN...did y'all know that apart from 2 campuses and a college of medicine,UNN has another campus in aba? And an extended program run in Alvan Ikoku college of education owerri? That makes 4 campuses including sandwich program! The number wld have been more were it that UNN still runs the diploma program so pls,do some research/fact-finding b4 being stupefied. 4 campuses churned out 18,000 graduands,not 1.

kitty kat: The number of students leaving university with first-class honours degrees has more than doubled in a decade, figures show, prompting fresh warnings over "grade inflation".

Univerist here referred to the whole of UK graduates not just singling Cambridge out. Remember he said in the "last decade". We need to get d figure for 2000 to ascertain that.

I am not dissing UNN but my first post was in response to someone who said 116 1st class graduates was higher than othr top International Unis. And he challenged us to show him any top school that had more than or up to 116 1st class graduates in one year. So I had to look for cambridge and I saw they had 23per in a 1000 class which makes the 1st class student's population to be 230 approx.

So I think you didn't get my arguement from the get go

If the grading of the UK universities are questionable, using the University of Cambridge as yard-stick to measure the difference in increases for the paste decade,to me is possibly coming from point of view of Brits nationalism. Then there is arguably something wrong as the journalist rightly puts it.

There is something that worries me about this increase of the consequential effects it will have on the next generation of students. Who might be doing less yet thinking they are doing much and at the end be rewarded with first-class. That is a fall in the standard of UK universities to me.

To stay on topic. The reason I think the person is contemplating the 116 bogus numbers coming out of UNN is subjective to either not having much information coming out of world top universities or just merely speculating. Another thing, from my observation, there are no evidences to support that number was well scrutinized by the institution to ascertain it is correct due to poor infrastructure, reading and research materials, grading,etc.

Nope! I didn't get your argument from the get go.

all4naija: If the grading of the UK universities are questionable, using the University of Cambridge as yard-stick to measure the difference in increases for the paste decade,to me is possibly coming from point of view of Brits nationalism. Then there is arguably something wrong as the journalist rightly puts it.

There is something that worries me about this increase of the consequential effects it will have on the next generation of students. Who might be doing less yet thinking they are doing much and at the end be rewarded with first-class. That is a fall in the standard of UK universities to me.

To stay on topic. The reason I think the person is contemplating the 116 bogus numbers coming out of UNN is subjective to either not having much information coming out of world top universities or just merely speculating. Another thing, from my observation, there are no evidences to support that number was well scrutinized by the institution to ascertain it is correct due to poor infrastructure, reading and research materials, grading,etc.

Nope! I didn't get your argument from the get go.

FLEX n DO!:

Ok,I have read cautiously while smh,I think its time to clear things up.

Last year unn graduated 10k students and 81 firstclass,I was shocked so I went further to know why the huge number of graduate.

During my investigation I found out that the actual graduate for unn and unec were about 4000,and the extra 6000?


Were from their abia state campus " and an affiliated college of education" I think alvan ikoko college of education.

Alvan is a colledge of education affiliated to unn and they graduate 2geda.to clear ur doubt ,musiwa I think u should go look for the graduating souvenir and see those graduating.
Faculty of education(inclusive alvan)has more than 70 percent of the total graduates.




No more blind argument musiwa.
Case closed!!!!!

all4naija: Okay. You are right about that. As for the graduating students you are quite correct. Indeed, I misunderstand you right there. However, that is not bad. Thanks for the point of correction. I was looking at your comment from the total population view as speculative.

Thank you once again for the correction. I think UNN figure is bogus because the facilities are not there to represent that figure.

Orikinla: . They are just producing more quantity than quality. Majority of the graduates of UNN are under achievers in their occupations and professions. The men are good salary earners and the women are best performers in the bedroom and not the boardroom. Please, give me a list of just 1000 UNN graduates making waves in Nigeria and abroad?

musiwa14: majestic8855, unilorin is number one in engineering in Nigeria.. I dont know how they rate them now, but before.. University of ilorin was number one.. it is the first school in Nigeria to start the Bachelor of engineering degree. You see that bluilding I just posted from university of ilorin. They are called blocks.. The faculty of engineering has 5 of those building and they have annex too. then. And if only one building is more than the whole of UNN engineering . and University of ilorin has 5 and many more building in just engineering faculty only.. housing equipment for training.

And if university of ilorin collect less than 1/3 of the money of UNN.. is that not obvious that they are corrupt there.
This is why the people from UNN are posting this document.. They are trying to tell you prof Nedo is corrupt. The document they presented is coming from inside the UNN. by people who knows prof Nedo.. They are trying to save the nation from his hand..

From looking at the pictures coming out of UNN. There is noway, any Nigeria universities can be worst than some of the classroom I see.. It takes less than N3 million to build a classroom and if just adenuga gave them N150 million and not including Foreign grant from outside nigeria.. It shows that they stole the money.

Foreign grant into that school and how much the nigeria govt have given them is more than $500 million over many year.. and if it cost just $30,000 to build a classroom. there is noway. That particular school should look that way.. they stole all of the money.. i think that is why people from that school are trying to make them reject him, because they are suffering for what he did.

It has no ethnic or tribalism in it.. the only people that had access to those document can only be igbo people from that university. So you calling tribalist what are you going to call your fellow igbo people who pasted the document.. ?? I can see you call them Osu Igbo

mekula:
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And how do you know that? When was the last time you were there, that is if you have ever been there? Make your arguments based on what you know not speculations.

musiwa14: Orikinla, you said UNN women are good in the bedroom and not the boardroom... you most have tasted the thing.. so you say it sweet. Chineke... you funny.

but joke apart, it is sad thing to see, that an igbo men could have stolen all of the money sent to UNN..
So igbo most ask i have been tribalist for opposing prof Nedo as a minister. For doing a Bad job in UNN.. as an igboman.. if he can not help his people..


i am telling the university of ilorin have not collected 1/3 of the money UNN collected... it is a sad day for me and a weeping day, that how can igbo men do this to their own people.. i am weeping internally. it is said thing to see.