Seun, hi! I can see you watching.

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Just a pin drop of achievements of Prof. Wole Soyinka, the man the bigoted OP referred to as local champion. That's igbo man for you, arrogance and chest beating. Simply because Soyinka is a Yoruba man, then the igbo must be best. Fools.

smh @ a thread complaining about tribalism spiraling into a tribal thread

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Afam4eva:
The problem with tribalism is that you feel whatever any one from another ethnic groups says is laced with tribalism. Saying that Soyinka is a local champion is not tribalistic. Will it also be tribalistic if you heard it from a Yoruba person? Though i disagree with soyinka been a local champion.

Soyinka local champion? show me one. person from your entire region with more international recognition than him. Local champion according to bigoted igbos, as if we don't know you.

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Soyinka local champion? show me one. person from your entire region with more international recognition than him. Local champion according to bigoted igbos, as if we don't know you.

Achebe.

The nobel prize in literature has been given to many obscure authors who most people have never heard of.

Nobel is not = vast and wide international recognition

Mudley313:



smh @ a thread complaining about tribalism spiraling into a tribal thread

exits thread

Whatever, dude. We can see through your bigotry. Rushing to open thread won't help you either.

Not that the Nobel prize in literature is a child's play.

Not by any means at all.

nnenna.1:
The nobel prize in literature has been given to many obscure authors who most people have never heard of.

Nobel is not = vast and wide international recognition

Brouhaha! Igbos and their bitterness.

Between Achebe and Soyinka, who is more likely to be known in academic and esteemed literary circles around the world?

DK just exposed the OP - bwahahahahahahahahah...

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Brouhaha! Igbos and their bitterness.

You asked about worldwide recognition, and I answered.

I know you are trying to project this bitterness thing on me but even you deep down know that this is true.

In academic circles (in the literary scene) worldwide, who is likely to be more recognized?

Achebe or Soyinka?

Answer sincerely.

nnenna.1:


Achebe.

Street boy respected in ibo land

At topic:

Ethnic rivalry is a universal thing - all tribal people are competitive and it's a world of survival of the fittest...

The only solution is for people to learn how to respect other people's feelings...

You can't dish out at other people and expect them to laugh at you, period...

nnenna.1:
Between Achebe and Soyinka, who is more likely to be known in academic and esteemed literary circles around the world?

Achebe can never win a Nobel Prize, even in his grave. He died with his bitterness.

Eko Atlantic:

Street boy respected in ibo land

And Nigeria.

And the entire world - judging from the plethora of articles from major news sources that commiserated with mourners on his death.

The biggest proponents of tribalism on this forum are the same people those crying about tribalism put on high pedestal... You can't cry tribalism and make the Chief tribalist, Onlytruth, your god on nl...

Anyway, I'm not tribal, I gatts love for everyone...

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Achebe can never win a Nobel Prize, even in his grave. He died with his bitterness.

Does not take away from the fact that Achebe is more recognized in academic and literary circles the world over, much much more than Soyinka is.

There are so many revered authors and writers who have never won the Nobel Prize.

There are so many obscure and unknown authors who have.

People make it look as if it is a deal breaker or something.

That was your question, right, #556?

Who is more recognized internationally?

How did this thread turn into Achebe vs. Soyinka??

You lot are sick in the head!

Don't get me wrong - I think that Soyinka is a revered and celebrated author and deserves his accolades and awards.

But I was only answering your question.

Afam4eva:
The problem with tribalism is that you feel whatever any one from another ethnic groups says is laced with tribalism. Saying that Soyinka is a local champion is not tribalistic. Will it also be tribalistic if you heard it from a Yoruba person? Though i disagree with soyinka been a local champion.

Saying Soyinka is a local Champion is not tribalistic then what is tribalistic? Calling a whole Nobel Laureate winner the only Nobel winner in this country a local Champion?

Can someone who won World player of the year be called a Local Champion? If he is Local how come the greatest award in his field recognized him?

if a Yoruba person had said that it would have been extreme ignorance and foolishness

dayokanu:

Saying Soyinka is a local Chapion is not tribalistic then what is tribalistic? Calling a whole Nobel Laureate winner the only Nobel winner in this country a local Champion?

Can someone who won World player of the year be called a Local Champion? If he is Local how come the greatest award in his field recognized him?

if a Yoruba person had said that it would have been extreme ignorance and foolishness

Calm down - of course Soyinka is much more than a local champion

People who say otherwise are only pulling your legs.

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Achebe can never win a Nobel Prize, even in his grave. He died with his bitterness.

Nnenna that's the difference level pass level.
Soyinka was even the first in Africa, it's a record your great grand kids self will see and hear of

You've got to give it to this man
A BOSS will forever be a BOSS

nnenna.1:


You asked about worldwide recognition, and I answered.

I know you are trying to project this bitterness thing on me but even you deep down know that this is true.

In academic circles (in the literary scene) worldwide, who is likely to be more recognized?

Achebe or Soyinka?

Answer sincerely.

Here you have it.

Nominations

Nomination forms are sent by the Nobel Committee to about 3,000
individuals, usually in September the year before the prizes are
awarded. These individuals are often academics working in a
relevant area. For the Peace Prize, inquiries are sent to
governments, members of international courts , professors and
rectors, former Peace Prize laureates and current or former
members of the Norwegian Nobel Committee. The deadline for the
return of the nomination forms is 31 January of the year of the
award. [44][45] The Nobel Committee nominates about 300
potential laureates from these forms and additional names. [46]
The nominees are not publicly named, nor are they told that they
are being considered for the prize. All nomination records for a
prize are sealed for 50 years from the awarding of the prize. [47]
[48]

Selection

The Nobel Committee then prepares a report reflecting the advice of
experts in the relevant fields. This, along with the list of preliminary
candidates, is submitted to the prize-awarding institutions. [49]
The institutions meet to choose the laureate or laureates in each
field by a majority vote. Their decision, which cannot be appealed,
is announced immediately after the vote. [50] A maximum of three
laureates and two different works may be selected per award.
Except for the Peace Prize, which can be awarded to institutions,
the awards can only be given to individuals. [51] If the Peace Prize
is not awarded, the money is split among the scientific prizes. This
has happened 19 times so far.

Apparently, these guys won't waste their time awarding a bigoted, children story writer.

dayokanu:

Saying Soyinka is a local Chapion is not tribalistic then what is tribalistic? Calling a whole Nobel Laureate winner THE ONLY Nobel winner in this country a local Champion?

Can someone who won World player of the year be called a Local Champion? If he is Local how come the greatest award in his field recognized him?

if a Yoruba person had said that it would have been extreme ignorance and foolishness

You can say that again "THE ONLY ONE"

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Here you have it.



Apparently, these guys won't waste their time awarding a bigoted, children story writer.

Ok...it's like most of my points are flying over your head.


A list of Nobel prize winners and years that they won:

Mo Yan
2011
Tomas Tranströmer
2010
Mario Vargas Llosa
2009
Herta Müller
2008
Jean-Marie Gustave Le Clézio
2007
Doris Lessing
2006
Orhan Pamuk
2005
Harold Pinter
2004
Elfriede Jelinek
2003
John M. Coetzee
2002
Imre Kertész
2001
Sir Vidiadhar Surajprasad Naipaul
2000
Gao Xingjian
1999
Günter Grass
1998
José Saramago
1997
Dario Fo
1996
Wislawa Szymborska
1995
Seamus Heaney
1994
Kenzaburo Oe
1993
Toni Morrison
1992
Derek Walcott
1991
Nadine Gordimer
1990
Octavio Paz
1989
Camilo José Cela
1988
Naguib Mahfouz
1987
Joseph Brodsky
1986
Wole Soyinka
1985
Claude Simon
1984
Jaroslav Seifert
1983
William Golding
1982
Gabriel García Márquez
1981
Elias Canetti
1980
Czeslaw Milosz
1979
Odysseus Elytis
1978
Isaac Bashevis Singer
1977
Vicente Aleixandre
1976
Saul Bellow
1975
Eugenio Montale
1974
Eyvind Johnson, Harry Martinson
1973
Patrick White
1972
Heinrich Böll
1971
Pablo Neruda
1970
Aleksandr Isayevich Solzhenitsyn
1969
Samuel Beckett
1968
Yasunari Kawabata
1967
Miguel Angel Asturias
1966
Shmuel Yosef Agnon, Nelly Sachs
1965
Mikhail Aleksandrovich Sholokhov
1964
Jean-Paul Sartre
1963
Giorgos Seferis
1962
John Steinbeck
1961
Ivo Andric
1960
Saint-John Perse
1959
Salvatore Quasimodo
1958
Boris Leonidovich Pasternak
1957
Albert Camus
1956
Juan Ramón Jiménez
1955
Halldór Kiljan Laxness
1954
Ernest Miller Hemingway
1953
Sir Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill
1952
François Mauriac
1951
Pär Fabian Lagerkvist
1950

Out of the people in this list, the average literary aficionado would know 40%-50%, and the average person with some education or exposure to literature would know about 10%-20%.

The Nobel Prize in literature is a very prestigious one, but it doesn't necessarily have a bearing on how a person's achievement in literature is measured(i.e. high-brow artistic appreciation and dissemination by large groups of people).

If that was the case, Mark Twain would be less of an author than Christian Matthias Theodor Mommsen (winner in 1902).

Get it?


It's a prize determined and awarded by a small group of people, at the end of the day.

dayokanu:

Saying Soyinka is a local Champion is not tribalistic then what is tribalistic? Calling a whole Nobel Laureate winner the only Nobel winner in this country a local Champion?

Can someone who won World player of the year be called a Local Champion? If he is Local how come the greatest award in his field recognized him?

if a Yoruba person had said that it would have been extreme ignorance and foolishness

When I saw the comment I wasn't thinking whether the person saying it was Igbo or Yoruba, I just thought he was expressing his opinion (which is silly I agree) yet I won't say he's being a tribalist, but an ignoramus.

The question you asked, and I quote, is:

*556#:


show me one person from your entire region with more international recognition than him. Local champion according to bigoted igbos

And I answered.

Can you lot get your dyck waving argument off the thread and let those who want to debate the topic do?? Jheezzz!!

This foolishness is worse than tribalism!!!

Open another thread for your argument....

The topic in discourse is: "Why Is There So Much Ethnic Rivalry On Nairaland?"

nnenna.1:


Ok...it's like most of my points are flying over your head.


A list of Nobel prize winners and years that they won:





Out of the people in this list, the average literary aficionado would know 40%-50%, and the average person with some education or exposure to literature would know about 10%-20%.

The Nobel Prize in literature is a very prestigious one, but it doesn't necessarily have a bearing on how a person's achievement in literature is measured(i.e. high-brow artistic appreciation and dissemination by large groups of people).

If that was the case, Mark Twain would be less of an author than Christian Matthias Theodor Mommsen (winner in 1902).

Get it?


It's a prize determined and awarded by a small group of people, at the end of the day.

Okay, lemme play dumb. Can you give me a new criteria of determining who is the best in literature ? While you are at it, you can also tell me the new criteria of determining the fifa footballer of year award other than selection by "few" according to you. smh.

kramer:

When I saw the comment I wasn't thinking whether the person saying it was Igbo or Yoruba, I just thought he was expressing his opinion (which is silly I agree) yet I won't say he's being a tribalist, but an ignoramus.

Giving more excuses to help a brother? igbo people and their sense?

Imagine this nonsense line, " I won't say he's being a tribalist, but an ignoramus". Give it up, no one is buying your lies.