Mintayo:
please that is not my name.



what is the use of the Sun without heat and light?
now i understand why u don't understand alexis; just as in the sun,there are both heat and light,but light is not heat and vice versa,but both are one,THOUGH THEY HAVE DIFFERENT FORMS IN THEIR MANIFESTATION!.
Jesus and the Holy Spirit proceed from the Father(God)-they are not THREE but one ,just as the sun is but one!




Like i said before,nobody is disputing that-God is one;it is only that ur mind has been programed(by quran or ur mullahs)that we have three Gods-NO!



like i said before that is what you have been told;but it is not true!
Atom is one...the sun is ONE.

LUKE 1:35
The Angel replied," The HOLY SPIRIT(of God) will come upon you,and the power of the MOST HIGH(God) will overshadow you. So the baby to be born will be HOLY and He will be called the SON OF GOD.

The Holy Spirit(of God) proceeds from the Father(God) and entered Mary and she concieved and produced Jesus(the son).-

Please,where are the threes in the above?
No christain will tell you otherwise.

lanrexlan: Brother,where in the Quran does it says that the bible has been in existence before the creation of the earth? I need references,maybe you have visited your anti-islamic sites again.I may not be a scholar,but I am student of comparative religions.....Peace

lanrexlan: Brother mintayo,before I reply to your claims above,my question is are trying to say that the son and the holy spirit are products of the father,just like heat and light are products of the sun? If you can answer that correctly,then I will analyse the above claim....Peace

lanrexlan: Brother mintayo,before I reply to your claims above,my question is are trying to say that the son and the holy spirit are products of the father,just like heat and light are products of the sun? If you can answer that correctly,then I will analyse the above claim....Peace

Mintayo:

They are not my claims, they are BIBLICAL FACTS!
And your analysis does not matter-it can't change anything!

I know you understand,but you are just trying or decided to turn a blind eye. And i pray to God to give you understanding i.e if you really want to know-because it is a mystery that can only be understood by those that are BORN OF GOD not of the FLESH-after all we are dealing with GOD HIMSELF!
Are you really sure that you are ready to undestand this BIBLICAL TRUTH against what you have been told?

Shalom.

lanrexlan: Brother,see your words you said ''WHAT's THE USE OF THE SUN WITHOUT HEAT AND LIGHT?''

Brother,heat and light are products of the sun and they aren't equivalent to the sun i.e. Heat isn't the sun and light isn't the sun.

But [b]trinitarians[/b]do claim all these three-the father,the son and the holy spirit are the same.

hope I have made myself clear,i don't understand and comprehend a fabrication,a concoction.

God is one

and doesn't dwell in anyone

alexis:

What has Jehovah got to do with your prophet been a thief and a murderer? Did Jehovah send him? Or did Allah send him?

Do you REALIZE YOU JUST CONFIRMED MY STATEMENTS?

lanrexlan: Brother,see your words you said ''WHAT's THE USE OF THE SUN WITHOUT HEAT AND LIGHT?''
That's means if we compare with trinity,then it will read ''WHAT's THE USE OF THE FATHER WITHOUT THE SON AND THE HOLY GHOST?''
That means God can't exist without the son and holy ghost(Subuhanallah).Brother,heat and light are products of the sun and they aren't equivalent to the sun i.e. Heat isn't the sun and light isn't the sun.But trinitarians do claim all these three-the father,the son and the holy spirit are the same i.e. The father is the son,the son is the holy spirit and the father is the holy spirit.If we are to compare with the sun,then the son and the holy spirit should be the products of the father,not the FATHER himself.Unfortunately,christians claim all these are one,they always sing a song the song goes thus;'JESUS,YOU ARE MIGHTY GOD YOU ARE MIGHTY GOD''.So this signifies jesus(the son)is also the father(God) and this against the theory of sun,hope I have made myself clear,i don't understand and comprehend a fabrication,a concoction.God is one and doesn't dwell in anyone,not changing to anything....Peace

tintingz: Reading the Old testament bible is scary... Slavery, carnibalism, wars all authorize by Jehova whose name doesnt even exist in new testament bible

Brotha lanrexlan well done o... I just dey feel you, troway salute!

alexis:

Yet not one Jew from Israel has come to Northern Nigeria or Southern Nigeria to display any "Slavery" or "Cannibalism" or any of your claims - So much for your claims huh? Not one jew has blown themselves up in the name of Jehovah, not one jew has forced Jehovah down your throat.

But na your brothers who dey Northern Nigeria they kill innocent people left and right because Allah told them so. Your "holy" prophet was a proper thief and murderer as recorded in your Hadiths. It is his life-style that your brothers in Northern Nigeria, in Mali, in Saudi and around the world are displaying.

tintingz: Read how our christian brothas are debating about the trinity concept... True or false?

So many more... Me just dey watch dey laugh!

tintingz: oh you forgot about isreal and U.S dirty plan bombing and killing innocent palestinian!

http://dailymail.co.uk/news/article-88577/Israeli-warplanes-bomb-Palestinian-police-HQ.html

The isreali-palestinian conflicts!

Mintayo:

And u have forgotten ur arabs brothers conspiracy against the Israeli...but no matter how much they try; they will be defeated with or without d americans!
Instead of them to work on how they will make life better for their citizens(ur brothers) they are busy fighting with Israel....but i am not surprised!

Mintayo:
don't try and confuse yourself-i am not comparing the sun and d trinity-i am using d sun as an illustration. The sun exists as ONE but its MANIFESTs in two ways...do u go to school at all?
Same with God-He is one but He manifests in different ways-hence the trinity!(i am not comparing God with d sun).
I have evn given u scripures of wat the angel told mary,pls go back and read them!



go back to d post,i didnt say heat is d sun or light is d sun.



and they are right.



whose fabrication? Or concotions? It is a facts and a mystery which u cnt comprehend except u are born of God...AND WHAT U BELIEVE DOESN'T MATTER!


nobody is disputin that...the devil believ that too


You can decide to limit ur allah...but the christain God dwells in our heart through His Spirit...infact God speaks to us through His Spirit,for those that have being born-again!(like i said before...it is a mystery...it will only take an incorruptible mind to understand).

(do u knw that the quran says that JESUS is the Spirit of God that came into Virgin Mary)

I am not going to explain anything to you again...Seems that you decided not to understand...check the Bible verses i posted above about the birth of Jesus.
(Is God's own Spirit a seperate entity or part of Him?)

(God cease to be God if His NATURE and CAPABILITIES are only the things that can be logically reasoned out by the HUMAN MIND).

BYE.

alexis:

Why are you trying to play pretend. WE ALL KNOW YOU WILL NEVER ACCEPT THE TRINITY. Since you couldn't relate to it, we gave you trivial examples, like:

1. An atom consisting of a proton, neutron and electron - Bone hook your throat and you started talking about decomposition on an atom - who said anything about decomposition.
2. I gave you another simple concept of Time, it can exist in the past, present and future. 3 distinct yet 1. You never answer me but you are here running around in Circles.

I HAVE TOLD YOU BEFORE - CHRISTIANS BELIEVE IN ONE GOD. The same authors that spoke about the GodHead were Jews that BELIEVED IN ONE GOD. CHRISTIANS DON'T BELIEVE IN 3 GODS - TRY AND GET THAT INTO YOUR HEAD.

While you are at it, please tell us:

1. How many days did Allah create the world
2. Who was the first muslim

Proffdada:

Funny guy,don't you have powerbank?

lanrexlan: Brother,I have explained your time claim.The answer to the muslim.You don't even give the
quotations the word used in the quran was 'Mumineen' meaning
'a believer' not 'Muslim'.And if we analyse every prophet is the first believer to
the people they were sent to,why?Because they will be the first
person to believe in the oneness of Allah before spreading the
message to the people,so none can call himself a believer before
his prophet because the prophet will be the first to believe,Allah
communicate with prophets on a higher level than other
humans.So the quran saying moses(pbuh) was the first believer
or adam(pbuh) was the first believer or muhammed(pbuh) was
the first believer is not wrong at all,if you don't understand the
quran,that doesn't mean the quran is wrong,hope that answers
your question....Peace

lanrexlan: To the creation of the earth and heavens.Heavens and the Earth created in 6days.I do agree that the Quran says that the heavens and the earth were created in 6 days i.e. 6 epochs and it is mentioned in Surah Al A'raf 7:54,Surah Yunus 10:3,Surah Hud 11:7 Surah Al Furqan 25:59, Surah Al Sajdah 32:4 Surah Qaf 50:38 as well as in Surah Al Hadid 57:4.The verses of the Qur'an which according to many non-muslims say that the heavens and the earth were created in 8 days are Surah Fussilat 41:9-12 "Say:Is it that you deny Him Who created the earth in 2 days? And do you join equals with Him? He is the Lord of (all) the Worlds; He set on the (earth) mountains standing firm,High above it,and bestowed blessings on the earth,and measured therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, In 4days equal,in accordance with (the needs of)Those who seek (sustenance)." Moreover,He Comprehended in His design the sky,and it had been(as)smoke.He said to it and to the earth."Come ye together, willingly or unwillingly.They said:"We do come (Together),in willing obedience." So He completed them as 7 firmaments in 2days and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command and We adorned the lower heaven with lights,and (provided it) with guard.Such is the decree of (Him) the exalted in might,full of knowledge." [Al-Quran Surah Fussilat 41:9-12]
On the face of it,it seems that these verses of the Quran give the initial impression that the heavens and the earth were created in 8days.Summa means moreover.If you analyse these verses carefully,it speaks about 2 different creations:the earth and the heaven.The earth excluding the mountains was created in 2days and the mountains were set on the earth standing firm and blessed and measured its sustenance in 4days. Therefore the earth along with the mountains was created in 6 days according to verse 9 and 10.Verse 11 and 12 says,moreover the heavens were created in 2 days.The Arabic word used in the beginning of verse 11 of Surah Fussilat is summa which means;'then' or 'moreover'.There are certain Qur'anic translations,which have used 'then' for the word summa which,indicates 'afterwards'.If 'then' is wrongly used for summa then the total of the creation of heaven and earth will be 8 days which will conflict with other verses of the Quran which says heavens and earth were created in 6 days and will also conflict with the Big Bang Theory as well as the verse of the Qur'an Surah Al ANBIYA 21:30 which says that heavens and the earth were created simultaneously.Therefore the correct translation of the word summa in this verse would be 'moreover'.Abdullah Yusuf Ali has rightly translated the word summa or moreover which clearly gives an indication that while the earth along with the mountains, etc. was created in 6 days simultaneously the heavens were created in 2days.Therefore the total does not come to 8days but 6days.As the earth was created in two days,the heavens too were created simultaneously with earth in that two days.Not different two days,then mountains were set on earth 4days,then it gives a total of 6days not 8days.Some people thought that the earth was created in a separate two and heavens in another separate two days,but it's wrong.Both were created simultaneously in two days,hope that clarifies that....Peace

alexis:

Stop contracting yourself Bros. Your attempt is very very very narrow and you didn't answer the question. Check the meaning of the word FIRST except of course you are saying Allah doesn't know what he is talking about.

If I said I took the first place in my class this semester. NO ONE ELSE CAN CLAIM FIRST PLACE EXCEPT OF COURSE I AM LYING. And that is what you are doing? Your Quran gave 3 different accounts on who the first muslim was. It always baffles me how muslims put words in Allahs mouth, as if He doesn't know what he is talking about.

Can you show me in the Quran where Allah said - because I communicate with my prophets on a different level, Muhammed was the first as well as Moses or Adam - CAN YOU SHOW ME THAT?

So, you haven't addressed the problem - at least not with Proof from your holy book. It's no suprise because we see muslims do it all the time . Please try again

alexis:

SO YUSUF ALI KNOWS BETTER THAN ALLAH ABI - PLEASE TRY AGAIN BECAUSE ALL YOU SAID MAKES NO SENSE AND WE KNOW THAT IS NOT WHAT THE QURAN THOUGHT.

lanrexlan: Vedacool has told me your problems,you can't reason at all that's number one.You don't wanna learn about Islam,you said you found nothing glorious about the Quran and that's because your heart is sealed for the truth.It's high time I left this thread,go on with your brainwashed trinity.I have got exams to write...Peace

Mintayo:

I bet u guys even know much more than ur allah n his book sef!
see pot calling kettle black...can you reason too? Have u been reasoning? Do u too wana learn about christainity or rely on what ur 'mullahs' tell u? Is ur heart not sealed from the truth too? Funny dude...

First of all, let me applaud you for taking time to answer this question. I appreciate it.

Christian Evangelism is not good because they will brain-wash people

I will confirm that you presented an answer to my first question. You said Boko Haram (muslims) and Christians are not fit for northern Nigeria. However, you haven't addressed my 2nd and 3rd questions from the Quran. I think it is fair enough to request that you answer both questions from the Quran and not some links

alexis:

Simple proof of Trinity concept. An Atom comprises of a proton, neutron and electron

ATOM = PROTON, NEUTRON & ELECTRON

1 = 1+1+1

Is that HARD for you to understand?

alexis:

Simple proof of Trinity concept. An Atom comprises of a proton, neutron and electron

ATOM = PROTON, NEUTRON & ELECTRON

1 = 1+1+1

Is that HARD for you to understand?

alexis:

You accuse others of going in circles. How many times have Christians provided an answer to you YET you state your position on the GodHead in the Bible? Again, no one is asking you to believe it. You can find the Trinity/GodHead unbelievable, that is fine. As far as you understand an atom can consist of a proton, neutron and electron - the concept of the Christian GodHead should not be rocket science to you - except you have no knowledge of basic Physics. So, while you refuse and reject it - it doesn't make it any less true.

How many times have Christians provided an answer to you

except you have no knowledge of basic Physics

alexis:

SO YUSUF ALI KNOWS BETTER THAN ALLAH ABI - PLEASE TRY AGAIN BECAUSE ALL YOU SAID MAKES NO SENSE AND WE KNOW THAT IS NOT WHAT THE QURAN THOUGHT.