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Re: How Muslims Can Teach Non-Muslims About Islam by ayenny02(m): 3:22pm On May 01, 2013 |
deSika: the problem u have is that u dont understand arabic and also you copied from anti-islam website, dont worry this is arabic and english translate below: حَدَّثَنِي مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ أَبِي بَكْرٍ، حَدَّثَنَا فُضَيْلُ بْنُ سُلَيْمَانَ، حَدَّثَنَا مُوسَى، حَدَّثَنَا سَالِمُ بْنُ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ عُمَرَ، رضى الله عنهما أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم لَقِيَ زَيْدَ بْنَ عَمْرِو بْنِ نُفَيْلٍ بِأَسْفَلِ بَلْدَحَ، قَبْلَ أَنْ يَنْزِلَ عَلَى النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم الْوَحْىُ فَقُدِّمَتْ إِلَى النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم سُفْرَةٌ، فَأَبَى أَنْ يَأْكُلَ مِنْهَا ثُمَّ قَالَ زَيْدٌ إِنِّي لَسْتُ آكُلُ مِمَّا تَذْبَحُونَ عَلَى أَنْصَابِكُمْ، وَلاَ آكُلُ إِلاَّ مَا ذُكِرَ اسْمُ اللَّهِ عَلَيْهِ. وَأَنَّ زَيْدَ بْنَ عَمْرٍو كَانَ يَعِيبُ عَلَى قُرَيْشٍ ذَبَائِحَهُمْ، وَيَقُولُ الشَّاةُ خَلَقَهَا اللَّهُ، وَأَنْزَلَ لَهَا مِنَ السَّمَاءِ الْمَاءَ، وَأَنْبَتَ لَهَا مِنَ الأَرْضِ، ثُمَّ تَذْبَحُونَهَا عَلَى غَيْرِ اسْمِ اللَّهِ إِنْكَارًا لِذَلِكَ وَإِعْظَامًا لَهُ. . Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar: The Prophet met Zaid bin \'Amr bin Nufail in the bottom of (the valley of) Baldah before any Divine Inspiration came to the Prophet. A meal was presented to the Prophet but he refused to eat from it. (Then it was presented to Zaid) who said, "I do not eat anything which you slaughter in the name of your stone idols. I eat none but those things on which Allah's Name has been mentioned at the time of slaughtering. 3 Likes |
Re: How Muslims Can Teach Non-Muslims About Islam by deSika(m): 3:44pm On May 01, 2013 |
whu is Abraham? what a question Abraham is a man. father of isaac and ishmael. married to sarai i am answering your questions pls return the favour and answer mine 4 Likes |
Re: How Muslims Can Teach Non-Muslims About Islam by ayenny02(m): 3:45pm On May 01, 2013 |
deSika: do you know that budhas and hindus. the religion you accuse of idolatory also engages in circumbulation.There are so many sects, cults, religions, philosophies, and movements in the world, all of which claim to be the right way or the only true path to God. How can one determine which one is correct or if, in fact, all are correct? The first thing that one should know and clearly understand about Islam is what the word "Islam" itself means. The religion of Islam is not named after a person as in the case of Christianity which was named after Jesus Christ, Buddhism after Gotama Buddha, Confucianism after Confucius, and Marxism after Karl Marx. Nor was it named after a tribe like Judaism after the tribe of Judah and Hinduism after the Hindus. Islam is the true religion of "Allah" and as such, its name represents the central principle of Allah's "God's" religion; the total submission to the will of Allah "God". The Arabic word "Islam" means the submission or surrender of one's will to the only true god worthy of worship "Allah" and anyone who does so is termed a "Muslim", The word also implies "peace" which is the natural consequence of total submission to the will of Allah. 6 Likes |
Re: How Muslims Can Teach Non-Muslims About Islam by deSika(m): 3:47pm On May 01, 2013 |
ayenny02: ok. wronngly translated. i take that one back. i will check further. but thats just one of all i have said |
Re: How Muslims Can Teach Non-Muslims About Islam by ayenny02(m): 3:50pm On May 01, 2013 |
deSika: whu is Abraham? was Abraham a jew? |
Re: How Muslims Can Teach Non-Muslims About Islam by ayenny02(m): 3:55pm On May 01, 2013 |
deSika: thank God that you accepted that you lied |
Re: How Muslims Can Teach Non-Muslims About Islam by deSika(m): 4:10pm On May 01, 2013 |
ayenny02:you may have to give me the source of your translation. this is from an islamic site www.gowister.com/sahihbukhari-7-407.html Book 67: Hunting, Slaughtering Hadith 407 (Volume 7) Narrated 'Abdullah: Allah's Apostle said that he met Zaid bin 'Amr Nufail at a place near Baldah and this had happened before Allah's Apostle received the Divine Inspiration. Allah's Apostle presented a dish of meat (that had been offered to him by the pagans) to Zaid bin 'Amr, but Zaid refused to eat of it and then said (to the pagans), "I do not eat of what you slaughter on your stonealtars (Ansabs) nor do I eat except that on which Allah's Name has been mentioned on slaughtering." Copyright © 2013 Wister All rights reserved this is from an islamic site www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=67&translator=1&start=19&number=402 407 Narrated 'Abdullah: Allah's Apostle said that he met Zaid bin 'Amr Nufail at a place near Baldah and this had happened before Allah's Apostle received the Divine Inspiration. Allah's Apostle presented a dish of meat (that had been offered to him by the pagans) to Zaid bin 'Amr, but Zaid refused to eat of it and then said (to the pagans), "I do not eat of what you slaughter on your stonealtars (Ansabs) nor do I eat except that on which Allah's Name has been mentioned on slaughtering." so what are you saying. bro 2 Likes |
Re: How Muslims Can Teach Non-Muslims About Islam by ayenny02(m): 5:04pm On May 01, 2013 |
deSika: ALL THE HADITHS WERE ARABIC LANGUAGE NOT ENGLISH LANGUAGE, PLEASE FIND THE ARABIC HABITH AND TRANSLATE IT TO ENGLISH YOU WILL SEE THE MEANING. LET ME GIVE YOU ONE. THIS IS ARABIC OF THE HADITH; حَدَّثَنِي مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ أَبِي بَكْرٍ، حَدَّثَنَا فُضَيْلُ بْنُ سُلَيْمَانَ، حَدَّثَنَا مُوسَى، حَدَّثَنَا سَالِمُ بْنُ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ عُمَرَ، رضى الله عنهما أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم لَقِيَ زَيْدَ بْنَ عَمْرِو بْنِ نُفَيْلٍ بِأَسْفَلِ بَلْدَحَ، قَبْلَ أَنْ يَنْزِلَ عَلَى النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم الْوَحْىُ فَقُدِّمَتْ إِلَى النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم سُفْرَةٌ، فَأَبَى أَنْ يَأْكُلَ مِنْهَا ثُمَّ قَالَ زَيْدٌ إِنِّي لَسْتُ آكُلُ مِمَّا تَذْبَحُونَ عَلَى أَنْصَابِكُمْ، وَلاَ آكُلُ إِلاَّ مَا ذُكِرَ اسْمُ اللَّهِ عَلَيْهِ. وَأَنَّ زَيْدَ بْنَ عَمْرٍو كَانَ يَعِيبُ عَلَى قُرَيْشٍ ذَبَائِحَهُمْ، وَيَقُولُ الشَّاةُ خَلَقَهَا اللَّهُ، وَأَنْزَلَ لَهَا مِنَ السَّمَاءِ الْمَاءَ، وَأَنْبَتَ لَهَا مِنَ الأَرْضِ، ثُمَّ تَذْبَحُونَهَا عَلَى غَيْرِ اسْمِ اللَّهِ إِنْكَارًا لِذَلِكَ وَإِعْظَامًا لَهُ. (THE FOOD PRESENTED TO THE PROPHET AND HE REFUSED TO EAT) DONT DODGE MY QUESTION: was Abraham a jew? |
Re: How Muslims Can Teach Non-Muslims About Islam by deSika(m): 8:44pm On May 02, 2013 |
ayenny02:am sori boy. I did not lie. I even went to islamic sites and got same tin. So it seems u r d one lieing. Do me a favor show me your source 3 Likes |
Re: How Muslims Can Teach Non-Muslims About Islam by deSika(m): 8:55pm On May 02, 2013 |
d jews are offsprings of Abraham. Abraham is the father of the jews. Pls answer my questions. Show me where Abraham, Adam, moses engaged d 5 pillars of islam |
Re: How Muslims Can Teach Non-Muslims About Islam by deSika(m): 9:07pm On May 02, 2013 |
ayenny02:my dear name does not determine authencity of islam. Its the rituals am tryin to show u dat they are idolatrous. If dat is authentic 2 u den u r on ur own 3 Likes |
Re: How Muslims Can Teach Non-Muslims About Islam by lanrexlan(m): 9:41pm On May 02, 2013 |
@Desika,I can see the level of your reasoning is not that high,you are just an anti islamic guy,no problem.To your question,firstly what's the meaning of an idol? An idol as defined by the collins oxford dictionary said 'a material or an object,especially carved image that is worshipped as god'.You said prophet muhammed(pbuh) destroyed all the idols at kabba(agreed),but left the kabba,the black stone,ALLAH,the circumambulation.Firstly,is ALLAH an object? The answer is capital NO,ALLAH is a living being the absolute,the eternal,secondly circumambulation is an acy of moving round a thing,how can that be an idol? Think before you talk.Thirdly the kabba is a house of worship built by abraham(pbuh) not an idol of worship.Lastly,the black stone is the place when abraham(pbuh) stood on when he first made the call of worship to the whole of mankind.One of the companion of the prophet reported that 'I saw MUHAMMAD(pbuh)kissing the black stone,that's why I also kissed it can never benefit me nor harm me.During the early years of islam,people do stand on the black stone and make the call for prayer(adhan),now tell who amongst the idol worshippers will ever stands on its idol and make the call? The answer is none.No muslim ever worship the kabba nor black stone.The kabba is the qiblah(prayer's direction) and the act of circumambulating around the kabba signifies that we muslims worship only one ALLAH. |
Re: How Muslims Can Teach Non-Muslims About Islam by lanrexlan(m): 9:41pm On May 02, 2013 |
@Desika,I can see the level of your reasoning is not that high,you are just an anti islamic guy,no problem.To your question,firstly what's the meaning of an idol? An idol as defined by the collins oxford dictionary said 'a material or an object,especially carved image that is worshipped as god'.You said prophet muhammed(pbuh) destroyed all the idols at kabba(agreed),but left the kabba,the black stone,ALLAH,the circumambulation.Firstly,is ALLAH an object? The answer is capital NO,ALLAH is a living being the absolute,the eternal,secondly circumambulation is an act of moving round a thing,how can that be an idol? Think before you talk.Thirdly the kabba is a house of worship built by abraham(pbuh) not an idol of worship.Lastly,the black stone is the place when abraham(pbuh) stood on when he first made the call of worship to the whole of mankind.One of the companion of the prophet reported that 'I saw MUHAMMAD(pbuh)kissing the black stone,that's why I also kissed it can never benefit me nor harm me.During the early years of islam,people do stand on the black stone and make the call for prayer(adhan),now tell who amongst the idol worshippers will ever stands on its idol and make the call? The answer is none.No muslim ever worship the kabba nor black stone.The kabba is the qiblah(prayer's direction) and the act of circumambulating around the kabba signifies that we muslims worship only one ALLAH. 3 Likes |
Re: How Muslims Can Teach Non-Muslims About Islam by deSika(m): 10:59pm On May 02, 2013 |
finally, another muslim. u are welcome bro lanrexlan: @Desika,I can see the level of your reasoning is not that high,you are just an anti islamic guy,no problem.no. am onnly here to show the truth. you guys have to come out from all this ur anti islam accusations and discuss lanrexlan: if you notice i use the word idol, idolatrous, gods, pagan interchangeably. truth is that when pagans were worshipping other idols/gods Allah was one of them. that is a fact. what Mohammed did was to eliminate the other gods. leaving Allah. i didnt say Kabba is idol. the Kabba was the exact building used for worshipping idols/gods.. if you destroy the idols you should also destroy the building were they were worshipped.. the blackstone is an idol.. read ayennyo2's post here ayenny02:the blackstone is one of them. and read this one
This people were talking to pagans. guess wat moslems are still doing this very pagan act. yes circumbulation is a pagan act
fact Kabbah was a place of idol worship. questionnn for you is God not everywhere why face only one direction. it seems to me that your Allah is only in Kabba. the act of circumambulating was used by pagans my dear around the Kabba. so wats the difference between you annd the pagans. you are still doing what the pagans did. and as such i can say you are a pagan.. 6 Likes |
Re: How Muslims Can Teach Non-Muslims About Islam by lanrexlan(m): 7:45am On May 03, 2013 |
deSika: finally, another muslim. u are welcome broThanks for your comment,to your first one you said we muslims do face the kabba when and that signifies that ALLAH is not everywhere and ALLAH is in the kabba,Let me correct that error of yours brother,we face the kabba in prayer because ALLAH instructed us to do so,if there is a group of muslims and they are about to pray,some will say let's face the east,some may say south,some may say west and some may even say north.So because of there's unity in islam and our lord(ALLAH) is one,so we all face the same direction.To the 2nd point you raised,the kabba was the place all the 300 idols were kept,i agreed with you when prophet muhammed(pbuh) came and became a prophet he destroyed all leaving none behind,how can ALLAH be an idol when my lord(ALLAH) is not an inanimate object? Subhanallah.Before islam conquered the city of makkah,the pagans of makkah used to go round the kabba in a naked state but islam conquered makkah,islam demolished it if we are practising a paganistic act,why are we not circumambulating the kabba in a naked state? And even the kabba was built by abraham(pbuh) a prophet,a muslim he prayed in the kabba as a muslim,but due to change in time disbelief set in into makkah,but when prophet muhammed(pbuh) came,the house of ALLAH became a place of worship for ALLAH alone,and disbelief was eradicated.That's why non muslims are not allowed to go near the kabba.Kabba is a the first place of worship on earth,not an object of worship.Lastly,the black can neither harm the muslims nor benefit us,muslims just kissed because prophet muhammed(pbuh) kissed it,the call for prayer(adhan) was made on it,no idol worshipper will never stand on its idol,not possible.If the black stone is an idol then we muslims should be bowing to it(nauosubillah)but we never bow,bow only to ALLAH....Salam 5 Likes |
Re: How Muslims Can Teach Non-Muslims About Islam by druid06(m): 5:09pm On May 03, 2013 |
deSika: i answered you boy. WOW, You knocked me off my feet. I just learnt a great deal from your post. Thank you brother for the enlightenment. 4 Likes |
Re: How Muslims Can Teach Non-Muslims About Islam by nagoma(m): 5:26pm On May 03, 2013 |
ayenny02: . Thank you for you patience brother Ayenny02. But this fellow deSlika is not worth your time. He is not out to learn but to ridicule and enhance hatred. His religion of 3 gods cannot answer even one of similar questions. You are too good for him. |
Re: How Muslims Can Teach Non-Muslims About Islam by Plutarch: 5:28pm On May 03, 2013 |
Boko haram, Hezebollah,Al Shabab,Osama,Banning of freedom of worship in some Islamic nations while mosques are springing up everyday to the delight of many muslims in Europe and America........what other thing can non muslims be taught about Islam? 1 Like |
Re: How Muslims Can Teach Non-Muslims About Islam by Nobody: 5:30pm On May 03, 2013 |
Who cares, just passing to the Jamb result thread and i mistakenly click on this thread. |
Re: How Muslims Can Teach Non-Muslims About Islam by spywareczar(m): 5:31pm On May 03, 2013 |
from the book of peace 3 Likes
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Re: How Muslims Can Teach Non-Muslims About Islam by salt1: 5:36pm On May 03, 2013 |
deSika: yes non muslims have [blots[/b] of questions. one of the ways you could teach them about islam is by responding to their questions.by so doing u dispel wrong notions and replace with the right knowledge. These are not the questions that non Moslems ask. You can see from your response that only another Moslem is replying you. I am a non-Moslem and my questions are 1. why does Islam allow girls as young as nine to be married? Is it religion or is it culture? I heard of a Yemeni proverb that says that if you want a peaceful marriage, you should marry a 9year old girl. Is it truly cultural or religious? 2. How come the more fundamentalist/pious a Moslem is, the more he is prone to violence? 3. What is the reward for being a good Moslem woman? We agree that all that 72 virgin stuff is hype but what is the real reward? 4. Is it true, really true, that Islam allows wives to be beaten joyfully by an angry husband? 5. How has Islam made the world a better, safer, healthier place? What are the scientific advances made by man as a result of studying the Koran? 6. How come when discrepancies in Islam are highlighted, the Moslems hack back at the Bible or History? Can't Islam defend its PRESENT position without comparison/contrasts with Christianity? They hardly attack other faiths; even pagan countries are all lumped as Christians. Why These are the ways you can teach me about your religion, not whether Abraham and Jesus were also Moslems. I hope you're not angry that I did a little spelling correction on your post 3 Likes |
Re: How Muslims Can Teach Non-Muslims About Islam by dabrake(m): 5:37pm On May 03, 2013 |
abeg, keep your violent religion to yourself. Islam my foot. 3 Likes |
Re: How Muslims Can Teach Non-Muslims About Islam by deSika(m): 5:49pm On May 03, 2013 |
lanrexlan: Thanks for your comment, you are welcome lanrexlan:facing anywhere is not significant as far as you know that whatsoever direction you face you have Gods attention. why would direction of prayers cause disunity. fact is GOD IS EVERYWHERE. and as such you can face ANYWHERE. I was trying to point out to you that this Kabba u are facing was used to worship pagan gods. lanrexlan:now thats what am trying to point to you. you have evidence that idols were worshipped but you dont have evidence of Abraham building the mosque, its best an assumptionn. except you can prove it. lanrexlan:my dear, you are still circumambulating and that is a pagan act in itself as pagans did it. lanrexlan:evidence pls lanrexlan:. it has always been idolatrous from time immemorial..disbelief did not set in guy. as it is there is noevidence of people praying in a mosque, engaging the five pillars of islam before Mohammed. lanrexlan:lie. if Adam was a muslim where did he worship.. if Abraham built the first place of worship that means Adam was not a muslim as he didnt have a Kabba to worship. but you say he is a Muslim. Can you do yourself a favour and stop spinning yourself into lies. its not helping you..[/quote] lanrexlan:you do what you cant explain why its been done. what else defines blindly following than this. Kissing is a sign of affection.. you kiss what you admire or love... when Muhamed kissed the stone. he was showing affection,. admiration. worship for the stone. and guess wat the stone was an idol/god.. lanrexlan:does not remove the fact that the stone was an idol/god.. 2 Likes |
Re: How Muslims Can Teach Non-Muslims About Islam by nagoma(m): 5:56pm On May 03, 2013 |
salt 1: You certainly need a lot of education as you are full of misinformation. Talking about spellings- The correct spelling is MUSLIM and not Moslem. Thanks. |
Re: How Muslims Can Teach Non-Muslims About Islam by Tonae: 5:57pm On May 03, 2013 |
@Ayenny02 - Islam or even such other religions for that matter are a crap, they`ve done nothing but to give misery to mankind. I am a disciple of KARL MAX who rightly said that religion is an opium to the people. Muslims discriminating / fighting against Muslims e.g shia vs Sunni etc. Christians at each others throat, Catholics, Methodists, Anglicans etc against protestants churches. Why is there no uniform God doctrine guiding all religions which pretend to serve same God. Islam in fact is the worst culprit in this religious mess, nothing they preach makes an iota of sense to any witty / discerning mind. Please answer these questions if you can. (1) Why does Islam urge it`s adherents to kill those they regard as infidels, (2) Why encourage so called Jihad? (3) why does it treat women inhumanely even though you people are instructed by same doctrine to marry as many as possible and you people swim in these women all day and night producing children all over the place. Same women who are not accorded any form of respect are the ones who carry you in their wombs, deliver you through their private part, wash your excrements and breast feed you from infancy to adulthood only to be spited in your maturity. (4) Why prohibit women from mixing or rather sitting in front of mosques during prayers but instead herd them right behind the mosque. These and many more others to me makes no sense. Christianity and other such religions have their secrets and lies as well. It`s the bane of humanity i must say. |
Re: How Muslims Can Teach Non-Muslims About Islam by druid06(m): 5:58pm On May 03, 2013 |
When it comes to religion, I have learned from other peoples experience to keep my mouth shut but this dude Desika has really enlightened my mind and filled some hole in my heart about Christianity and Islam. I already know Christianity started as a cult most of it's worships were derived from other religion like the sun god and others. I now know islam too was derived from idolatory so my question is, which religion is the true religion. Is there nothing like religion as it was made by man? Maybe there's no religion at all and our almight father just wants to keep a relationship with his as Moses, Abraham and Adam did. |
Re: How Muslims Can Teach Non-Muslims About Islam by Gabrielsylar(m): 6:03pm On May 03, 2013 |
Am trying all my best and common best to understand islam I just can't gerrit 1 Like |
Re: How Muslims Can Teach Non-Muslims About Islam by bomijuwon(m): 6:11pm On May 03, 2013 |
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Re: How Muslims Can Teach Non-Muslims About Islam by salt1: 6:24pm On May 03, 2013 |
nagoma: Thanks for the correction. Now begin to answer my questions. I'm a non Muslim 1 Like |
Re: How Muslims Can Teach Non-Muslims About Islam by Nobody: 6:24pm On May 03, 2013 |
Now that it is a Muslim thread, Seun has permanently fixed a warning to dissuade people from mocking allah and Muhammed but it is completely cool for people to ridicule and mock God the mighty Father and Jesus. Like this comment if you agree with me that there should be a warning like this with Christian threads. 14 Likes |
Re: How Muslims Can Teach Non-Muslims About Islam by deSika(m): 6:27pm On May 03, 2013 |
nagoma:is this all you have to say. not even one proof that islam existed before Muhammed. ......you are welcome to the world of truth. |
Re: How Muslims Can Teach Non-Muslims About Islam by druid06(m): 6:27pm On May 03, 2013 |
blink182: Now that it is a Muslim thread, Seun has permanently fixed a warning to dissuade people from mocking allah and Muhammed but it is completely cool for people to ridicule and mock God the mighty Father and Jesus. I wish I could have given more likes. Nice one though! |
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