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Anony & Deep Sight: Verse By Verse Academy On The Trinity & The Deity Of Christ / Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity / Biblical Quotes Proving That Jesus Is Not God And The Absence Of The Trinity. (2) (3) (4)
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Re: About The Trinity by DeepSight(m): 8:42am On Jun 15, 2013 |
^^^ Ok, can we have a rigorous go at the issue of the divinity of christ verse by verse? I will have to open a special thread for that, one, as I want it to be a special academic case, one verse at a time, on everything that scripture says on the matter? |
Re: About The Trinity by Mranony: 8:48am On Jun 15, 2013 |
Deep Sight:Yep. Let us do that |
Re: About The Trinity by DeepSight(m): 8:54am On Jun 15, 2013 |
Mr anony: Ok, I will do so and the inform you when done. |
Re: About The Trinity by shdemidemi(m): 8:57am On Jun 15, 2013 |
Deep Sight: Waiting patiently for the thread as well.... |
Re: About The Trinity by SNCOQ3(m): 11:48am On Jun 15, 2013 |
Deep Sight: Remember your "common denominator" rule; I agree with it: You should too. |
Re: About The Trinity by SNCOQ3(m): 12:22pm On Jun 15, 2013 |
Deep Sight: Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. ...the beginning and ending The greek word for "ending" in that verse is telos meaning: (to set out for a definite point or goal); properly the point aimed at as a limit, that is, (by implication) the conclusion of an act or state (termination [literally, figuratively or indefinitely], result [immediate, ultimate or prophetic], purpose); -Strong What the above means is Jesus Christ is the one who created time and the one who is going to end it. As for Alpha and Omega: Jesus Christ is in control of history - the beginning and end of ages, eras, rise and fall of world empires. As for ...which is, and which was, and which is to come... : That is one long word for YaHWeH meaning: I am Eternity. |
Re: About The Trinity by SNCOQ3(m): 1:06pm On Jun 15, 2013 |
...And by the way, Jesus did not claim to be "first and last" as DeepSight erroneously noted; but "the first and the last". Even within a "finite" context; you can only be deity or a madman to make that claim. |
Re: About The Trinity by Nobody: 1:09pm On Jun 15, 2013 |
The Trinitarians can shout, Jesus is Almighty GOD for all eternity and until they are blue in the face, fact remains he is not and their position is false. Logic is not their friend this time around. |
Re: About The Trinity by SNCOQ3(m): 1:14pm On Jun 15, 2013 |
^ explain love with logic. 2 Likes |
Re: About The Trinity by Mranony: 1:49pm On Jun 15, 2013 |
frosbel: The Trinitarians can shout, Jesus is Almighty GOD for all eternity and until they are blue in the face, fact remains he is not and their position is false. Logic is not their friend this time around.Hahahaha, your bible disagrees with you on this one sir. |
Re: About The Trinity by Mranony: 1:52pm On Jun 15, 2013 |
SNCOQ3: ^ explain love with logic.NICE! POWERFUL QUESTION. I was going to ask DeepSight this question at some point but the conversation did not come around to it. A monadic God simply cannot be a God of Love. |
Re: About The Trinity by Nobody: 1:52pm On Jun 15, 2013 |
Mr anony: Hahahaha, your bible disagrees with you on this one sir. You meant to say , anony's bible disagrees with frosbel My bible is 100% aligned with ONE God , not 3-gods which the Muslims rightly refer to as the Polytheism. |
Re: About The Trinity by Mranony: 1:56pm On Jun 15, 2013 |
frosbel:Lol, So Revelations 1:8 is not in your bible? What about Revelations 2:8? Jesus Christ is busy claiming to be God all over your bible. Closing your eyes and ears does not save you. |
Re: About The Trinity by Nobody: 2:03pm On Jun 15, 2013 |
Mr anony: How about Revelation 1:1 , God gave Jesus a revelation, does this now mean God gave God a revelation. 1 Like |
Re: About The Trinity by Mranony: 2:13pm On Jun 15, 2013 |
frosbel:In the same way God gave glory to God in Hebrews 1:8-12 |
Re: About The Trinity by Nobody: 2:22pm On Jun 15, 2013 |
Mr anony: so God speaking to himself again , a sort of pretend child's play. SMH. |
Re: About The Trinity by Mranony: 2:25pm On Jun 15, 2013 |
frosbel:Is that what your bible teaches you? Or does your bible tell you the Father speaks to the Son and vice versa referring to each other as God? |
Re: About The Trinity by Nobody: 2:27pm On Jun 15, 2013 |
Mr anony: Stop confusing yourself !! |
Re: About The Trinity by Mranony: 2:29pm On Jun 15, 2013 |
frosbel:Start reading your bible |
Re: About The Trinity by shdemidemi(m): 2:31pm On Jun 15, 2013 |
frosbel: I trust you to ignore other parts of the scripture and hold unto one verse |
Re: About The Trinity by Nobody: 2:33pm On Jun 15, 2013 |
shdemidemi: You are yet to show us ONE verse in the bible that explicitly confirms that GOD is 3 . There is no biblical support for your Polytheism. |
Re: About The Trinity by Mranony: 3:12pm On Jun 15, 2013 |
frosbel: You are yet to show us ONE verse in the bible that explicitly confirms that GOD is 3 . There is no biblical support for your Polytheism.It is so sad that all you do these days is avoid and deep study of scripture while throwing strawmen all over the place. Frosbel let us have a bible study: What do you say to the verse presented where Christ is clearly called God? |
Re: About The Trinity by SNCOQ3(m): 3:53pm On Jun 15, 2013 |
Mr anony: I believe a monadic God loving himself will self-destruct. The idea of Family is a projection of the trinity. |
Re: About The Trinity by Mranony: 4:04pm On Jun 15, 2013 |
SNCOQ3:That's not even the issue. The problem with people who clamour for a monadic God is that they fail to see that once you do that, God can no longer be omniscient because it will mean that at the time before God created, God did not have any relationship with any person therefore whatever relationship God now has with other persons, He would have to learn it. 1 Like |
Re: About The Trinity by Boomark(m): 4:38pm On Jun 15, 2013 |
Boomark: Mr anony: Hahaha. I don set question for jamb before in 1875. Even from the definition of trinity, i can set questions that will make to redefine trinity after each question. May be you need to study more before you attempt the questions...no problems. |
Re: About The Trinity by Mranony: 4:41pm On Jun 15, 2013 |
Boomark: Hahaha. I don set question for jamb before in 1875. Even from the definition of trinity, i can set questions that will make to redefine trinity after each question. May be you need to study more before you attempt the questions...no problems.SMH. Did you read the op at all? |
Re: About The Trinity by SNCOQ3(m): 4:43pm On Jun 15, 2013 |
Mr anony: He would have been infinitely narccisistic (self-destruct) to create a being with freewill. |
Re: About The Trinity by Nobody: 5:06pm On Jun 15, 2013 |
Mr anony: Two things : 1. Jesus Christ is a god not GOD 2. You are yet to show us where in the bible mention is made explicitly referring to 3 gods =1 , until you can do that your position remains elusive. |
Re: About The Trinity by Mranony: 5:34pm On Jun 15, 2013 |
frosbel:1. Lol so Jesus is another god who who answers prayer and receives worship from human beings and angels? I hope you are realizing that it is you who is going into polytheism 2. That condition is not necessary as long as I can show and have shown the bible referring to the Father, Son and Holy Ghost as God. |
Re: About The Trinity by SNCOQ3(m): 5:47pm On Jun 15, 2013 |
@ Anony, I agree with your profound connection between the Trinity, God's perfect love for us and omniscience. |
Re: About The Trinity by Nobody: 5:50pm On Jun 15, 2013 |
[quote author=Mr anony] - Who asked his angels to pay obeisance to Jesus Christ and who exalted Jesus. - In Rev 1:1 - Why did Jesus get a revelation from GOD - Why is God the head of Christ in 1 Corinthians 11:3 2. That condition is not necessary as long as I can show and have shown the bible referring to the Father, Son and Holy Ghost as God. Now you have moved the goal post , because you know that it is impossible to provide this imaginary evidence, it simply is not there , and has been derived from the formulation of an extra biblical concept by Greek pagan philosophers parading as church fathers over a 300 year period. You have to wonder why God made such an easy concept so mystifying to his children, which is why when they attempt to explain it they end up confusing themselves and others. Trinity has been debunked, stop deceiving yourself. I talk to people out of this forum including family and they are beginning to easily see through the layers of deception used to construct and defend this pagan polytheistic belief. You my friend believe in a 3 god god, I believe in one God and follow Jesus in saying : "Jesus replied, "The most important commandment is this: 'Listen, O Israel! The LORD our God is the one and only LORD." - Mark 12:29 1 Like |
Re: About The Trinity by SNCOQ3(m): 5:51pm On Jun 15, 2013 |
frosbel:Your God&god idea is polytheism. -edit- You are yet to show us a mathematical expression of love, until you can do that without employing the tool of abstractions, simplification, analogies, metaphors...you're in no position to question our use of tritheism( 3Ps in 1G, 1G in 3Ps) as an abstraction for the Trinity. Maybe...just maybe logic is overated afterall. |
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