Mesopotamia: PLEA BARGAIN:a mockery of Nigeria's legal process!
The term "plea bargain" has become one of the most popular in the Nigeria legal circles in recent times,thanks to the increased rate of corruption based offences.It entails the reaching of a mutually agreed disposition between the criminal defendant and the prosecutor.In it,the accused is enabled to plead guilty to some lesses offences than those originally leveled against him which results in the offender getting milder punishment than what should have been obtained..........I come to seek the opinion of the wigs and goons on this honourable platform to give their take on this fraudulent escape rout purposefully designed by retardeens we call our leaders to smuggle theiselves from the long and detterent hands of the law......I stand to be corrected,but i strongly feel that "plea bargain" should be scrapped completely from our constitution.

Phiozy:
seconded! It's just a pity that the justice system in Nigeria has failed her people, and just like Karl Marx states that both the Law and the state are instruments of compulsion and are used by the wealthy minority(especially the corrupt politicains in Nigeria), to oppress and exploit the working class majority, making the Law an embodiment of class interest, mostly protecting the vested interest that are desireable to the ruling class. No one is above the Law, you must be punished for all your crimes, especially the grievous ones.

Raymondif: Usefulness of Philosophy in our daily life: for the sake of those who think that philosophy is a useless course and therefore anybody who studies it has wasted his or her time,it is pertinent to state that philosophy rather opens a wide range of avenues for wisdom,objective judgement and perception,healthy personal relationships,international relations and broad mindedness which enhances job opportunities. So in everyday life philosophy is useful in many ways some of which are listed below: 1.philosophy enhances public relations,enables us to foster our business,take quick decisions for the growth of business.we should not forget that thales used his knowledge of philosophy to become a multi millionaire. Ironically,while philosophy can make one rich,one cannot buy philosophy with money. 2. A lawyer cannot perform effectively without philosophy for he needs to search critically to analyze and synthesize the case or claims of both the plaintiff and the defendant. Without philosophy how can he even cross examine and how will he know when fallacies are committed?(philosophy of law and logic). 3.philosophy helps to train the mind, broading the horizon of our perception and knowledge. It helps us to become more reflective,critical and objective so as to present our work in a systematic,consistent,constructive and logical form. 4. A philosopher can be a legal researcher, paralegal assistant. Lawyer often introduce their cases before philosophers to sharpen their argument. 5. Philosophy enables us to understand the essence of life and the meaning of the cosmic order,inluding the celestial bodies. 6. It enables man to know the meaning of right, duty,freedom and equality and encourages harmony and co existence and stresses the need for a properly organized society(political philosophy). It is surprising therefore that plato warned that unless philosophers become kings(leaders) or kings become philosophers there will be no end to societal ills and man's inhumanity to man. It is only philosophy that helps us to understand the meaning of life and the world we live in. Ifeanyi raymond george. A graduate of philosophy 2008. Imo state university, owerri.

Phiozy: Please pardon my simplicity for the sake of others....
Until I finished secondary school, I never thought I was ever going to study Law, though I was critically minded and despite my petite but bold physical nature, I always loved and still love to fight for justice, both for my siblings and friends... (I could even fight on their behalf if thats what it takes..lols..) Even my mom acknowledged that, cause back as a teenager I always took it upon myself to defend my parents against even the so-called up and mighty. But 'Law' was never on my mind, I wanted Economics/Bus admin, but since I wasn't good in Mathematics, I opted for Mass. Comm. When preparing for my post-UME, and other stuffss, I had the opportunity to attend some Law lectures(my cousin who I stayed with during my P-UME was a Law student and sometimes do allow me go classes with her). That was how I fell in love with the Faculty of Law, knowing that this is where I rightly belong, this is a course I would do with so much passion... Although I had my doubts until a Law student(who noticed my intellectual prowess) in the school asked me if I thought most of the Law students in the school were better than I... I took it upon my self to study Law at all cost. I'm glad I made that decision and I don't regret studying Law. Can't wait to have the license to fight for justice on behalf of others....

damosky12:
Now, are you a student of law?

Phiozy: Please pardon my simplicity for the sake of others....
Until I finished secondary school, I never thought I was ever going to study Law, though I was critically minded and despite my petite but bold physical nature, I always loved and still love to fight for justice, both for my siblings and friends... (I could even fight on their behalf if thats what it takes..lols..) Even my mom acknowledged that, cause back as a teenager I always took it upon myself to defend my parents against even the so-called up and mighty. But 'Law' was never on my mind, I wanted Economics/Bus admin, but since I wasn't good in Mathematics, I opted for Mass. Comm. When preparing for my post-UME, and other stuffss, I had the opportunity to attend some Law lectures(my cousin who I stayed with during my P-UME was a Law student and sometimes do allow me go classes with her). That was how I fell in love with the Faculty of Law, knowing that this is where I rightly belong, this is a course I would do with so much passion... Although I had my doubts until a Law student(who noticed my intellectual prowess) in the school asked me if I thought most of the Law students in the school were better than I... I took it upon my self to study Law at all cost. I'm glad I made that decision and I don't regret studying Law. Can't wait to have the license to fight for justice on behalf of others....

Lizylaw: Ma name is Liz, Part 2 law, Oau. Its a great thread. Goodjob at fynestboi. I jxt tink d legal profession is ovverated/overhyped. M a proud lawya in d making though.

Fynestboi: [b]The Philosopher Ruler

Definition of the Philosopher – His natural qualities

· The philosopher is in love with truth, not with the changing world of sensation, which is the object of opinion. He is interested in the unchanging reality which is the object of knowledge.

· Those who are only interested in the changing world of the senses are called ‘sightlovers’ and Plato likens them to blind men who have no true knowledge of reality, and no clear standard of perfection in their mind to which they can turn to and study before laying down rules of ‘right’ and ‘wrong’. These sightlovers are not fit to be guardians nor rulers of Plato’s ideal society

· The philosopher will never willingly tolerate an ‘untruth’. He will hate falsehood. Philosophy is larger than Plato and larger than life bro.

· His pleasures will be in things purely of the mind, and physical pleasures will pass him by.

· He will be self controlled, and not grasping about money.

· He will not be petty, as this trait is incompatible with the constant attempt to grasp things, divine or human, in their entirety.

· He won’t think death anything to be afraid of.

· A well-balanced man, who is neither mean nor ungenerous, nor beastly nor cowardly.

· He must have a good memory and be very willing and capable of learning.

How should Philosophers be educated?

· As children they are only to be taught the amount of philosophic training their age can stand.

· As they grow, they should devote a great deal of time and attentions to their body

· As their minds mature, they’re mental training is to be intensified

· Once they’re strength fails, they will devote their main energies to philosophy.[/b]

Sweetlipkiss: NAME~ADOGHE E.
Course~philosophy
institution~Eksu(though not yet fully admitted cos their admission list is not out yet on d skull website.saw my name on jamb website.......
Level~Still a learner.
please i want to know more abt d course cos i just choose it just cos ive stay for so long at home trying to pursue law so i just took a decision dis year to pick any less competative course at least for me to be in skull.
someone told me dat philosophers dont believe dat God exist(how true is dis please)i still have many questions to ask but let me stop for now.thanks

Donpuzo: @ikenga..I think I share in your observation. Sometimes I think in our society, the study of law have become a hoax and a sham. The real essence is defeated. It makes things boring for serious minded fellows in the temple of justice.

They now focus on maxims and theories, which in the real sense are of no value, hence practical interpretation of legal principles are not really visible.

I took Constitutional Law last year, legal system and some courses that ought to spur a student to critical legal thoughts. I sometimes think a reappraisal and sound re orientation is needed to re communicate the value of our core legal existence.

I personally love constitutional law, because I can relate with it.

Also criminal law is amazing, but what will you say of the non application of what we read and what is visible in our day to day lives.

A typical example is the theory in criminal law that "the sins of the mother cannot be transferred on the son" I mean the principle of criminal liability. When police arrest, detain and torture parents of an alleged criminal, the principle in the locus classicus case of African Continental Bank v Okonkwo and others is defeated and appears as a total hullabaloo.

Tunbolity: Name: Quadri Tunbosun
Institution:OAU
Course:Law
Level:Awaiting Law School
...I rep IfeLaw2013

Tunbolity: Name: Quadri Tunbosun
Institution:OAU
Course:Law
Level:Awaiting Law School
...I rep IfeLaw2013
I never thought of studying Law, then, it was either History or English Language but as fate would have it, error on either JAMB or OAU landed me in Faculty of Law, OAU. Undoubtedly, all of us that chose Law as second choice in that year found that Law had become first choice on our post JAMB slip that year. Today, i'm Law school-bound and i would say the experience has been a chequered one.... I hope to get to the peak of the profession...
Also, I love Nairaland and i came in contact with it during the 2009 ASUU strike and I was catching fun the booing and jeering of one another here then. Nairaland is a nice forum to catch fun though.

zezeny: Well, I so much commend the effort of @fynestboi for making dis wonderful thread a reality. I must also apologize for contributing dis late. I was not available on this thread for sometimes now. I hope my apology is accepted.
However, I tink I shud officially introduce myself b4 moving any further. I am popularly known as ZEZENY on nairaland. I'm a 100level student of the prestigious faculty of law, University of Ibadan. My flair to study law I must say came at a much later time in my educational career. I'd always wanted to be an accountant which informed my decision to go to the commercial class in my secondary school. However, I discovered I'm very poor in mathematics which affected my grade in the subject in my o'levels. Without maths, no accounting as we all know. That was how my dream of becoming an accountant became battered.
I however opted for Arts in d university. Cos I was in d commercials in my secondary school, I did nor offer literature, so I cud not do english. I however went for anoda course in Arts in OAU.
Meanwhile, I knew in me dat I wanted to be a professional. I wud not allow dis dream to go unachieved. Dat made me sit 4 gce where I passed literature nd oda arts subjects. I den opted 4 law in UI, where I'm currently studying.
Now, It turns out to be a blessing for me because I av a first degree to back my law degree. This will forever continue to be an advantage for me even after joining d bar because it is believed dat "law does not operate in a vacuum". An added degree gives u an edge.

Lizylaw: ofcus it will b almost impossible for such a principle to work in Nigeria. Nigerians are legally placid, majority of d members of d police force dnt evn knw d law nd wat is applicable in criminal situations, dey dnt evn knw whr dia powers begin or end. Nigerians dnt knw dia rights, so wat do u xpect. Criminal liability as a legal principle in Nigeria will for a long time be only in theory.

Creative mind: Respectfully friends, Creative mind is here to announce his appearance before this honourable house. Good morning! There was this argument about LAW and JUSTICE in my Jurisprudence class. The topic for debate was Is LAW the basis of JUSTICE or JUSTICE is the basis of LAW? Learning and Learned minds, what do you think? Philosophers, what is your take?

Donpuzo: @ikenga..I think I share in your observation. Sometimes I think in our society, the study of law have become a hoax and a sham. The real essence is defeated. It makes things boring for serious minded fellows in the temple of justice.

They now focus on maxims and theories, which in the real sense are of no value, hence practical interpretation of legal principles are not really visible.

I took Constitutional Law last year, legal system and some courses that ought to spur a student to critical legal thoughts. I sometimes think a reappraisal and sound re orientation is needed to re communicate the value of our core legal existence.

I personally love constitutional law, because I can relate with it.

Also criminal law is amazing, but what will you say of the non application of what we read and what is visible in our day to day lives.

A typical example is the theory in criminal law that "the sins of the mother cannot be transferred on the son" I mean the principle of criminal liability. When police arrest, detain and torture parents of an alleged criminal, the principle in the locus classicus case of African Continental Bank v Okonkwo and others is defeated and appears as a total hullabaloo.

zezeny: Well, I so much commend the effort of @fynestboi for making dis wonderful thread a reality. I must also apologize for contributing dis late. I was not available on this thread for sometimes now. I hope my apology is accepted.
However, I tink I shud officially introduce myself b4 moving any further. I am popularly known as ZEZENY on nairaland. I'm a 100level student of the prestigious faculty of law, University of Ibadan. My flair to study law I must say came at a much later time in my educational career. I'd always wanted to be an accountant which informed my decision to go to the commercial class in my secondary school. However, I discovered I'm very poor in mathematics which affected my grade in the subject in my o'levels. Without maths, no accounting as we all know. That was how my dream of becoming an accountant became battered.
I however opted for Arts in d university. Cos I was in d commercials in my secondary school, I did nor offer literature, so I cud not do english. I however went for anoda course in Arts in OAU.
Meanwhile, I knew in me dat I wanted to be a professional. I wud not allow dis dream to go unachieved. Dat made me sit 4 gce where I passed literature nd oda arts subjects. I den opted 4 law in UI, where I'm currently studying.
Now, It turns out to be a blessing for me because I av a first degree to back my law degree. This will forever continue to be an advantage for me even after joining d bar because it is believed dat "law does not operate in a vacuum". An added degree gives u an edge.

AmiableJay:
Zezeny of life! Na you oh!

AmiableJay:
Zezeny of life! Na you oh!

Fynestboi: Good to have u here bro... Wlcm