debosky:

I have addressed that - if one blood meant ONE NATION, then ONE NATION would have been used - your claim is baseless.



Another baseless claim - Sin entered through Adam - regardless of whether Adam is a man or a nation, so it is IMPOSSIBLE for sin to have existed before Adam!

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned.




Rubbish - absolute rubbish. Romans 5:17 is a DIRECT comparison between two actual men and nothing more. There is absolutely NO BASIS for this 'play of words'. I have shown you 4 instances in Romans 5 alone where a DIRECT COMPARISON is made between one man and one man.

Judas2013: Obadiah the false teacher/prophet

obadiah777: top of the morning to you sire

debosky:

So what is this ONE BLOOD? Did God keep a sachet of blood by his throne that he used as spice with the earth to create all humans?

If you are ONE BLOOD what does it mean? You have a common ANCESTOR - that is what it means.



Heresy upon Heresy - there is nowhere in the scripture where this idea of different spirits being given to different nations at the point they are created - heck there is no evidence that numerous nations were created! All that was created was ONE MAN - ADAM and nothing else. If you can provide where other nations were created then do so.

obadiah777: i suggest you read the book of genesis 1 properly and pray for guidance while reading it-concerning the bolded

Goshen360:

Look, discussing with on this forum is never any educative. If you not mocking, you going off topic or you insulting and such bore my discussion with you.

When you quoted Jeremiah, you quoted to support pre Adamic creation and now you saying something different.

Are you for creation or RE- creation?

debosky:

Rubbish! I know you will now state your previous heresy that birds stated in Genesis are other human beings eh? So God was confused - he called human beings (species) birds, goats and cattle.

obadiah777: you do err sire. sin is not inputted if there are no laws. before adam there were no laws so technically even though there was sin, their was no sin. gerrit ?

romans 5 vs 13 For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. <<< before adam sin was in the world but not counted as sin yet

debosky: One question for you - how did sin enter the world? The bible says through one man - if this is a nation, explain how sin entered the world through that nation, since - according to you - sin already existed. Maybe it existed in outer space.

debosky:

Absolute rubbish - Adam was given laws IMMEDIATELY he was created:

Genesis 2:16-17 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

That commandment is the first law and his action was imputed as sin. Simple.

obadiah777: yes heathens are called cattle, beasts, and dogs in the bible. he called the heathen woman a dog. remember ? you do err sire

obadiah777: yes heathens are called cattle, beasts, and dogs in the bible. he called the heathen woman a dog. remember ? you do err sire

obadiah777: you are assuming adam is the lords first creation smdh

MostHigh:

Dem no wan go deep sire.

If you dont go deep how can you tell when impending judgement is around the corner.

Its called denial and Goshen and his brethren are in complete total denial.

Like Alice in wonderland.

Top of the morning to you brother.

obadiah777:

romans 5 vs 13 For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. <<< before adam sin was in the world but not counted as sin yet. heathens were created first

debosky:

But the Israelites are also called Sheep remember? So which nation was Israel then? The Sheep or Adam? Or both? Or are sheep not beasts too?

Please tell me what spirit was given to sheep in Genesis.

obadiah777: adam is israel. now we are getting somewhere

debosky:

Again I say, this is absolute rubbish! If we believe your nonsense theory, sheep were created before the Adam in Genesis 1:25, so since the Israelites are Sheep, then they are NOT part of the nation of Adam.

debosky:

Adam is NOT Israel according to your animals being human beings theory - God called Israel sheep. Since Sheep were created along with other beast of the earth in vs 24-25, Adam is NOT ISRAEL.

24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

That is when Sheep were created - Israelite are the Sheep not so?

obadiah777: sheep is an ambiguous ambidextrous and relative word. the sheep today can be the shepherd tomorrow. during genesis the shepherd was adam and the sheep were the gentiles, however in the era of the gentiles adam is the sheep and the gentiles are the shepherd

obadiah777: i think you are getting yourself confused here. adam is a physical entity. it is a body type. 'israel' is a spiritual entity. it is a spirit type.

obadiah777: [b]yes heathens are called cattle, beasts, and dogs in the bible. he called the heathen woman a dog. remember ? you do err sire

obadiah777: i think you are getting yourself confused here. adam is a physical entity. it is a body type. 'israel' is a spiritual entity. it is a spirit type

obadiah777: adam is israel. now we are getting somewhere

debosky:

You see how confused you are? Sheep are ambiguous - your entire theory is ambiguous and meaningless.

Dogs and goats are heathen, but sheep are ambiguous. Stop talking nonsense and smoke less ganja.

A sheep is an animal - if animals are heathen in Genesis (according to obadiah's convoluted theory), and sheep are included in the animals, and Israel is described as the sheep, then Israel is one of the heathen and not Adam.

Precept upon precept.

obadiah777: dogs and beasts and cattles are designated for heathens. sheep on the other hand goes back and forth between who is the shepherd and who is the sheep. who is the ruler and who are the ruled. oh by the way other favorite description the lord uses are fowls of the heaven and fishes of the sea

debosky:

Israel = sheep = heathen, since animals are heathen. According to your theory.



A sheep is a beast, sheep are Israelites, therefore Israelites are heathen.

debosky:

You see confusion? Adam is a physical entity, Israel is a spiritual entity, but what did you say a few moments ago?



From Adam = Israel, to Adam = physical and Israel = Spiritual.

You need deliverance from the spirit of confusion.

obadiah777: a sheep can be a beast as in during creation when adam was the shepherd and the beasts were the sheep. and israelites are not heathens. you are adding two and two to make five. stay on focus. you are all over the place. have you had your coffee yet ?