obadiah777: it be written like that sometimes to further shroud you in mystery

debosky:

You didn't answer the question - which does it mean? 1 Corinthians is quite explicit in saying ONE MAN is the father of all, and comparing this to the ONE MAN - Jesus - through whom salvation comes to all.

Is ONE MAN a literal ONE MAN or is it as you claim with Adam, speaking of a nation/group?

obadiah777: ahhhh Sire the more you see the less you know. the more you perceive the less you comprehend. That book you have with you there called the bible is the most convoluted book ever created. a nation of people can be presented as one man.

but lets digress. what does Adam mean ? comes from the hebrew word Adamah which means 'from the ground'. so when it ways we all come from Adam, tis the same as saying we all come from the ground which we do and will return to the ground

obadiah777: a nation of people. esau sounds like one man but he is a nation. jacob sounds like one man but he is a nation of people etc etc

genesis 25 vs 23 And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.

Goshen360:

Adam's name was because he was made or created from the ground. Are you created from the ground or BORN OF A WOMAN?

Scripture says ONLY THE FIRST MAN FROM WHICH EVERY HUMANITY CAME was formed from the dust, EVERY OTHER HUMAN WAS BORN BY A WOMAN.

Goshen360:

Are these TWO NATIONS IN A WOMB also created from the ground since you making Adam A NATION OF PEOPLE created from the ground?

obadiah777: a nation of people. esau sounds like one man but he is a nation. jacob sounds like one man but he is a nation of people etc etc

genesis 25 vs 23 And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.

Goshen360:

Are these TWO NATIONS IN A WOMB also created from the ground since you making Adam A NATION OF PEOPLE created from the ground?

obadiah777: being born of a woman does not mean you are not from the ground. dust to dust

obadiah777: everything in life, even that in the womb is from the ground. the parent material is from the ground so the subsequent materials being from the parent material are also from the ground. and just so you know, it is not a literal womb that is spoken about in that verse.

Goshen360:

What Esau and Jacob means being ONE MAN is, out of them each shall spring up NATION of people. Is it NATION (of people) that is one womb or ONE PERSON?

obadiah777: A NATION OF PEOPLE is in the womb. and the womb is the earth. its an allegorical story.

Goshen360:



We gradually getting there. We return to dust or ground is not because we were created from the dust but because we took of the Adamic nature and DEATH CAME BY SIN because ALL HUMANITY sin IN AND THROUGH Adam as ALL HUMANITY was IN ADAM WHEN HE SINNED....that's the APOSTOLIC doctrine.

Now, womb is not literal? What context changed the literal meaning from womb to something else?

obadiah777: A NATION OF PEOPLE is in the womb. and the womb is the earth. its an allegorical story.

TinyPurpleBaby:

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Pure undiluted wisdom right here. You have to be really special to God to get this kind of thing.

#nopsychinanyone.thisistruetalk

obadiah777: *team-israel* lol. you definitely got the spirit in you. a few days in the truth and you already understand what i have been trying to tell Goshen since 2012

Goshen360:

On what ground of scripture do you make what is LITERAL into ALLEGORICAL?

TinyPurpleBaby:

Lmfao!!! This cracked me up big time.

Now I don't wanna be rude but change is a dangerous thing. Especially religious change. I've tried explaining this to someone, but She won't just listen and I understand that you cannot convince whos mind God refuses to open and heart He refuses to fire up.

#nottryingtoberude

obadiah777: i dont understand what you said up there bros, makes no sense. the point is adam is not a man. it is a nation of people

genesis 5 vs 2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

see. sooner or later you are going to have to be forced to unpeel the many layers of the bible if you are trying to convert atheists. now the layer you are on works for someone who is not trying to preach to people but if you are trying to preach as you always are, the layer you are on comes across as fables and fairy tales. see you are not listening to sound doctrine. you are hereby fulfilling this prophesy >>>>

2 Timothy 4:3-4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Goshen360:

First, you have to start to talk, not as a normal member of this section but as an elevated in position. This is no ground for mockery or insult but scriptural reasoning.

2. Male and female created he them and called their NAME not NAMES, as in plural, ADAM.

What does that mean? If it was plenty people created, it will be nameS.

obadiah777: there are no grounds here. the holy spirit is the teacher. if you have the holy spirit, all will be revealed to you. thats all there is to it. but just so you know you are on the wrong track, let me show you how scripture is written


psalms 78 vs 2 I will open my mouth in a parable

matthew 13 vs 10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

obadiah777: yeah but Goshen is a special kind of stiff necked and rebellious israelite. his head is impervious to sound doctrine

Goshen360:

First, you have to start to talk, not as a normal member of this section but as an elevated in position. This is no ground for mockery or insult but scriptural reasoning.

2. Male and female created he them and called their NAME not NAMES, as in plural, ADAM.

What does that mean? If it was plenty people created, it will be nameS.

(b), Acts 17:26 is therefore destroyed because it says FROM ONE MAN, ONE BLOOD....every humanity was MADE....NOT CREATED.

(c), Male and female created he them is and means EVE WAS IN ADAM, she wasn't created separately but took OUT OF HIM, therefore Acts 17:26 is true that EVERY HUMANITY including Eve, came or WAS MADE FROM ONE MAN ADAM.

obadiah777: there is no need to call them 'NAMES' when it is already specified that they are plenty when he said 'THEM'

Goshen360:

This is one thing you do to spread heretic teachings - you say something and I challenge you to produce scriptural ground on which you said it and you said there's none.

How does the holy spirit teach? On assumption?

obadiah777: there is no need to call them 'NAMES' when it is already specified that they are plenty when he said 'THEM'

TinyPurpleBaby:

I even have some questions for Goshen.

Just one,

If God in all his power created this massive earth, created the trees and other things and you all see how the forest are, why would God 'waste' his time to literally create a Garden in the midst of already created things just to place 2 people in it? Were they prototypes for something?

And why was Cain worried about people going to find him if it were only Adam, Even and late Abel?

Why would God tell one man and one woman to be fruitful multiply and fill THE WHOLE EARTH? Only 2 people?


Sorry I am not asking to mock you. I am asking to know from you. After all, no knowledge is lost

I'm high today....

Goshen360:

Was Eve created SEPARATELY or IN ADAM, when Adam was created?

TinyPurpleBaby:



Oya brozz

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/obd-wetin-we-do-you-na/

obadiah777: buahahaha what the heck was that ?

Goshen360: @ Tinybaby,

I will respond to your questions later.

@ obadiah,

You dodging too many points I raised. Please stay focused on the topic.