Radoillo: Hey, OP, we are all going to hellfire! All of us! Catholics and Protestants! You have no idea the amount of so-called 'paganism' that survives even in the most rigid Pentecostal churche today.

Abeg at your spare time, find out

* Why most Christians worship on Sunday instead of Saturday, the original sabbath

* When did Christendom officially recognise Jesus as God

* When did the belief in Trinity (God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit) enter Christian teachings

* What do you know about the origins of Christmas

* And the origins of Easter. Do you even know what the word 'Easter' means. I'll give you a hint - Ancient European goddess of dawn.

* Do you know the origins of 'Christian' marriage customs like 'best man' and the exchange of rings

* Do you know when the Bible started being used in its present form. Did you know it was Catholic scholars who went around collecting ancient books and debating whether or not they were 'good' enough to include in the Bible (which they were compiling)? Do you know the criteria they used to determine which books was 'good' and which was 'bad'? Did you know there was a time when the Gospel of John, the Second and Third Letters of John, Jude, Letter to the Hebrews, and Revelation were not recognized as part of Scriptures? Yes, the 'evil' Catholic church complied and edited the Bible over many centuries. So you might want to reassess the validity of that document, seeing that it was 'evil' people that bequeathed it to you. You might also want to go back and check some of the books they left out, like the Gospel of Thomas and the book of Enoch, and see why those 'evil' people decided to exclude them. Maybe they were trying to hide some 'ancient' truth from you, eh?

Mscheew! You are such a small-minded person. Even had the balls to call me blind and deaf.

You come up here spewing crap about hell fire and Christianity when you don't understand jack about those concepts. Keep your uninformed nose out of other people's practices and face your own.

italo:

One of our "evil man-made traditions" is Christmas...and you participate in it.

You're evil then.

Ukuts gp: i celebrate the birth of jesus which is in d bible. U can go and hug transformer for all i care.

Ukuts gp: When the issue concerning the catholic is raised, they always talk about the canonisation of the scriptures to defend their evil man-made traditions as if canonisation of the scripture will save them. They cant even be the one wu canonised the bible because if they do, they will nt blatantly and defiantly go against its teaching like that. This will simply tell u dat catholic is a pagan infested church.

P.O.I:


But Teespice, u no dey go church na .

Ukuts gp: i celebrate the birth of jesus which is in d bible. U can go and hug transformer for all i care.

Radoillo:

Ukuts, it will be nice if you shut up now. I'm trying to focus on the far more intellectual points Enigma is making.

@Enigma, I gotta admit I didn't quite know about disagreements between Rome and Carthage at that time. The sources I see state that Boniface, who later became the Bishop of Rome was represented at that council in Carthage.

Also I tend to agree with the guy who said that the list made by Anasthasius and others were non-canonical, non-official.

The books of the Bible (and some that didn't finally make it into the Bible) were in use and were read. Just that they were individual books, not yet compiled into the single volume we use today.

Radoillo:

Ukuts, it will be nice if you shut up now. I'm trying to focus on the far more intellectual points Enigma is making.

@Enigma, I gotta admit I didn't quite know about disagreements between Rome and Carthage at that time. The sources I see state that Boniface, who later became the Bishop of Rome was represented at that council in Carthage.

Also I tend to agree with the guy who said that the list made by Anasthasius and others were non-canonical, non-official.

The books of the Bible (and some that didn't finally make it into the Bible) were in use and were read. Just that they were individual books, not yet compiled into the single volume we use today.

Enigma:

Thank you! I am happy to be a "fool" for Christ and for the Christian Church!.

By the way, I hope you know that some of the "popes" of Roman Catholicism were murderers, heretics, inces.stuous people, adulterers etc. In other words they were worse than just being "Fool".

Enigma:

If you are talking about what you Roman Catholics use which you "canonised" in the 16th century, then I will not really be all that bothered. Roman Catholic Bible is Roman Catholic Bible. Meanwhile even during its canonisation in the 16th century, they did not know which version of the Vulgate was accurate. So that is Roman catholic business.

A question that I have put to your fellow Roman Catholics, if Carthage had canonised the Roman Catholic Bible then why did Jerome up to 20 years later, Gregory I up to 200 years later and Cajetan up to 1400 years later(!) all not see that Carthage had "canonised" the Roman catholic Bible?


As for Athanasius' list, I will leave you again to read what he said as I quoted above and see if you can still say that was "unofficial". Oh, and of course as I also said, the lists of "popes" by Irenaeus, Eusebius etc must also be seen as "unofficial" with the implication that they are unreliable --- and they are what Roman Catholics are relying upon (which in any event even conflict with Jerome and Tertullian's lists).

Well, the Christian Bible started being compiled during the apostolic era and the "compilation" was essentially completed before there was any such thing as "the Catholic Church" or even the Roman Catholic church.

Enigma:

If you are talking about what you Roman Catholics use which you "canonised" in the 16th century, then I will not really be all that bothered. Roman Catholic Bible is Roman Catholic Bible. Meanwhile even during its canonisation in the 16th century, they did not know which version of the Vulgate was accurate. So that is Roman catholic business.

A question that I have put to your fellow Roman Catholics, if Carthage had canonised the Roman Catholic Bible then why did Jerome up to 20 years later, Gregory I up to 200 years later and Cajetan up to 1400 years later(!) all not see that Carthage had "canonised" the Roman catholic Bible?

philfearon:
A "FOOL" means someone Who lacks good Sense or Judgement....Its a pity how people dont undastand simple English....
You said there was nothing like "Authority" among the early Christians,and i showed You that it existed then by referring You to "Acts15" ...What did you do? You started saying i was "lying deliberately or ignorant".......What does that make You? It suggests You are a Fooooool,and a Big one at that!!

Ihedinobi:
Big bro, you have mail.

Ukuts gp: compile my foot. The catholic tactics are well known. They always bring the issue of the compilation of the bible to avoid the questions posed b4 them. Catholic is really a mess.

Radoillo:

I believe I already stated i'm not Catholic. I'm not even particularly a religious person. My interest in all of this is purely academic. Christians pointing fingers and calling one another names (like the OP has been doing) is so funny i'm sick of laughing at it. And only those who haven't delved into the Church's history with critical, open minds will engage in it.

I didn't know Jerome compiled a new biblical canon. I always thought what he did was to translate the Bible into Latin (what is called the Latin Vulgate). Perhaps you should look again at your sources. Is your source objective and not anti-Catholic? Cajetan and Gregory, I'll look up when I have the time, 'cause I really don't know the roles they played in Bible-compiling history.

Ukuts gp: i celebrate the birth of jesus which is in d bible. U can go and hug transformer for all i care.

Enigma:

I am certain you suggested in a number of posts that you were a Catholic. And I did read your posts.

I would say go and do the looking up you want to do then come back and seek any further clarification you then require. On my part, I stand by what I have posted.

Enigma:

As I said, I don't mind being called a "FOOL"; BUT then Roman Catholic "popes" are worse because they are generally LIARS, many have been fraudsters, murderers, heretics, adulterers etc. Look, even Roman catholic bishops and historians say so! I can give you "quotes" if you want.

And of course you are ignorant about Acts 15 having been brainwashed by the fraudulent Roman Catholic interpretation of the passage; I would have explained it to you but it is not even worth my while.

Yep, so I am a "Fooooool"; but Roman Catholic "popes" are murderers, heretics, fraudsters, liars etc.

Ask yourself which is worse.

philfearon:
Thank God You said "Popes"..............."Popes" is nobody's name!!
2ndly,i dont know What You being a "fooooool" has to do With Christ!! I see You are hell bent on condemning Catholics...But then,Be bold enough to answer this Question:
What Church do You Worship With?
If you wont answer this{of course i know You wont},Then Shut Your mouth Already....
,.....If you dont answer my question,then this follows:
If You are a Catholic on Thread,Please just keep quiet,let the thread die naturally as it should...NO COMMENTS======>The thread dies!
@OP and Enigma,you can talk urselves out!!

philfearon:
Thank God You said "Popes"..............."Popes" is nobody's name!!
2ndly,i dont know What You being a "fooooool" has to do With Christ!! I see You are hell bent on condemning Catholics...But then,Be bold enough to answer this Question:
What Church do You Worship With?
If you wont answer this{of course i know You wont},Then Shut Your mouth Already....
,.....If you dont answer my question,then this follows:
If You are a Catholic on Thread,Please just keep quiet,let the thread die naturally as it should...NO COMMENTS======>The thread dies!
@OP and Enigma,you can talk urselves out!!

Enigma:

I am being nice to you, you just don't know. I could easily have pointed out to you that you too must have come out from the loins of a fool.
I chose not to but to focus on historical facts about Roman Catholic "popes" instead.

As for my "church", I am part of the Church, I am part of the Christian Church. You will see my "church" anywhere you see two or three people gathered in Jesus' name.

Enigma: If you mean where you suggested that you were Roman Catholic, there is this post and and this post and and this post as well as one or two others where you were going on about "dogmas" and all that.

If you now tell me, you are not a Roman Catholic I will take your word at face value but I have seen a lot of tricks and see through a lot of things.

Wow... Ok, I've heard a lot about reincarnation, but I never met anyone who could remember anything from a previous life. If you don't mind my asking, are you a Christian?

(If it makes it easy for you to be honest I'm kind of an agnostic. smiley )

Ukuts gp: Worship of the cross, images and relics was authorised by the order of Dowager Empress Irene of constantinopole, who first caused to pluck the eyes of her own son Constantine VI, and she called a church council at the request of Hadrian I, pope of Rome at that time.
Such practice is called simply idolatry in the bible and is severely condemned (read exodus 20:4, 3:17, deuteronomy 27:15, psalm 115).

philfearon:
Exactly What i knew You Would say..Thats What The Previous folks has been saying,and You are not Different From Them.......
2ndly,I dont take a jibe at people,so if i called You a foool,that means You are a fooool!!
Alwaz quick to remove a speck in a another persons eyez,but You have Solid stones in Yours!!

Radoillo:

LOL. Its amusing that my stance on this debate is taken as evidence that I'm Catholic.The only time i have ever engaged in a religious debate on this forum, I did state that I didn't have belief in organized religion.

https://www.nairaland.com/1317012/amazing-accounts-near-death-experiences/7#19225555



I'm still trying to figure out how the posts you pointed out implied I was Catholic.

Enigma:

Like I said, if you tell me that you are not a Roman Catholic, I will take that at face value.

Radoillo:

*sigh* OK. Why do I bother....

Enigma:

Just like I knew what you would say -- the same thing that the mumu ogas at the top of Roman Catholicism have brainwashed you people with.

Come let me show you my Church; please remember to first take off the Roman Catholic glasses preventing you from seeing!

1 Corinthians 1:2

To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be his holy people, together with all those everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ—their Lord and ours