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Re: Reasons Why The Roman Catholic Members Will Go To Hell-fire. by Enigma(m): 11:33am On Nov 10, 2013 |
Radoillo: You are ignorant of a lot of things ---- including my posting history. For just starters try and educate yourself on these threads I started https://www.nairaland.com/1254965/eastern-orthodox-church-orthodox-catholic https://www.nairaland.com/1257440/catholic-catholic-back-catholic https://www.nairaland.com/1039359/canon-bible-roman-catholic-church You can even simply read some of my most recent posts. Anyway, I say again that the Roman Catholic denomination people only finalised their own Bible in the 16th century at the Council of Trent. |
Re: Reasons Why The Roman Catholic Members Will Go To Hell-fire. by COvo(m): 11:38am On Nov 10, 2013 |
Enigma:You could Imagine! |
Re: Reasons Why The Roman Catholic Members Will Go To Hell-fire. by COvo(m): 11:44am On Nov 10, 2013 |
italo:It's what my catholic friends say.I'll screen_grab some chats I've had with dem.Send me ur email. |
Re: Reasons Why The Roman Catholic Members Will Go To Hell-fire. by philfearon(m): 11:45am On Nov 10, 2013 |
Enigma:I hate to say This,But i believe You are Fool!! |
Re: Reasons Why The Roman Catholic Members Will Go To Hell-fire. by Enigma(m): 11:48am On Nov 10, 2013 |
philfearon: Thank you! I am happy to be a "fool" for Christ and for the Christian Church!. By the way, I hope you know that some of the "popes" of Roman Catholicism were murderers, heretics, inces.stuous people, adulterers etc. In other words they were worse than just being "Fool". 1 Like |
Re: Reasons Why The Roman Catholic Members Will Go To Hell-fire. by COvo(m): 11:54am On Nov 10, 2013 |
Enigma:Burning at stakes and also use of the guillotine. |
Re: Reasons Why The Roman Catholic Members Will Go To Hell-fire. by Nobody: 11:57am On Nov 10, 2013 |
So I checked out your threads, Enigma. Didn't read every word though. Just got a general picture. Much of what is there I already knew. I'm not Catholic, Just a historian. And I know its historically inaccurate to say the first-century Christians were Roman Catholics; they were no such thing. But let's focus on this thread, yeah? You said Christians started compiling the Bible in the 1st and 2nd centuries. 'Compiling', not 'writing'. That's what you said. Are there any sources for that claim? From my researches, the earliest known canonical lists of our Christian Bible were formulated at the synods in Carthage and Rome in the fourth century. Both places were under the authority of the Bishop of Rome, and belonged to the Latin Church or the Roman Catholic church. If you have dates from the first and second centuries of Bible compilations, perhaps you would like to share. Again, I emphasize 'COMPILATION'. |
Re: Reasons Why The Roman Catholic Members Will Go To Hell-fire. by italo: 12:00pm On Nov 10, 2013 |
C.Ovo: I will open another email and send to you. |
Re: Reasons Why The Roman Catholic Members Will Go To Hell-fire. by Nobody: 12:02pm On Nov 10, 2013 |
Enigma: The Reforming protestants did terrible things too. Just read the story of Geneva under Calvin, Oliver Cromwell in Ireland, the Puritans in North America, the witch executions in Salem, USA. The history of the church, Catholic and Protestant is soaked in blood. |
Re: Reasons Why The Roman Catholic Members Will Go To Hell-fire. by Ukutsgp(m): 12:09pm On Nov 10, 2013 |
Idolatory will not take anyone to heaven. Mark my words. The catholic are practising idolatory. |
Re: Reasons Why The Roman Catholic Members Will Go To Hell-fire. by Enigma(m): 12:11pm On Nov 10, 2013 |
Radoillo: So I checked out your threads, Enigma. Didn't read every word though. Just got a general picture. Much of what is there I already knew. I'm not Catholic, Just a historian. And I know its historically inaccurate to say the first-century Christians were Roman Catholics; they were no such thing. The red bolded is wrong in many respects which I have addressed on the other threads. Thus you need to spend time to read those threads or at least to verify and update your information. 1. In the 4th century alone, Athanasius' Festal Letter of AD 367 and the canon it outlines preceded Carthage or anything else that the Roman Catholics can claim 2. The canon done by African Christians at Carthage was not under the "authority" of Rome anything. A very recent post of mine addressed the fraudulent claim based on forgery in respect of this. 3. Carthage might have belonged to the Latin Rite --- but it was not subject to the "authority" of Rome; in fact Carthage historically told Rome to mind its own business on many occasions. 4. There was no canon made at Rome; the one they want to base on a Synod or Council of Rome is known to arise from a forgery based on a document produced some 200 years after the supposed Council of Rome of 382. Look into these things deeper, my friend. |
Re: Reasons Why The Roman Catholic Members Will Go To Hell-fire. by Enigma(m): 12:16pm On Nov 10, 2013 |
^^^ I forgot to add that we do indeed have canons and "compilations" well before the 4th century e.g. Origen in the 2nd-3rd centuries and even going back to the 1st-2nd centuries with the books in the possession of people like Polycarp and so on. Of course we could go into the Bible itself and see Paul quoting from one of the gospels, Peter referring to Paul's epistles and again Paul asking that one of his epistles should be read to another community and that the first community should read another epistle from the second community. |
Re: Reasons Why The Roman Catholic Members Will Go To Hell-fire. by Enigma(m): 12:18pm On Nov 10, 2013 |
Radoillo: When someone from them calls me "Fool", I will know what to say. For now the person who calls me "Fool" is the one who needed a comparison. |
Re: Reasons Why The Roman Catholic Members Will Go To Hell-fire. by COvo(m): 12:19pm On Nov 10, 2013 |
italo:Noted |
Re: Reasons Why The Roman Catholic Members Will Go To Hell-fire. by Ukutsgp(m): 12:19pm On Nov 10, 2013 |
The papacy is of pagan origin. The title of pope or universal bishop was first given to the bishop of Rome by the wicked emperor Phocas. This he did to spite bishop Ciriacus of constantipole who had justly excommunicated him for his having caused the assassination of his predecessor emperor Mauritius. Gregory 1, then bishop of Rome refused the title, but his successor Boniface III, first assumed the title 'pope'. 1 Like |
Re: Reasons Why The Roman Catholic Members Will Go To Hell-fire. by Nobody: 12:20pm On Nov 10, 2013 |
Resolution of the Catholic Council of Carthage in 419 CE Canon 24. (Greek xxvii.) That nothing be read in church besides the Canonical Scripture Item, that besides the Canonical Scriptures nothing be read in church under the name of divine Scripture. But the Canonical Scriptures are as follows: Genesis. Exodus. Leviticus. Numbers. Deuteronomy. Joshua the Son of Nun. The Judges. Ruth. The Kings, iv. books. The Chronicles, ij. books. Job. The Psalter. The Five books of Solomon. The Twelve Books of the Prophets. Isaiah. Jeremiah. Ezechiel. Daniel. Tobit. Judith. Esther. Ezra, ij. books. Macchabees, ij. books. The New Testament. The Gospels, iv. books. The Acts of the Apostles, j. book. The Epistles of Paul, xiv. The Epistles of Peter, the Apostle, ij. The Epistles of John the Apostle, iij. The Epistles of James the Apostle, j. The Epistle of Jude the Apostle, j. The Revelation of John, j. book. Let this be sent to our brother and fellow bishop, Boniface, and to the other bishops of those parts, that they may confirm this canon, for these are the things which we have received from our fathers to be read in church. http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3816.htm 1 Like |
Re: Reasons Why The Roman Catholic Members Will Go To Hell-fire. by italo: 12:20pm On Nov 10, 2013 |
Radoillo: So I checked out your threads, Enigma. Didn't read every word though. Just got a general picture. Much of what is there I already knew. I'm not Catholic, Just a historian. And I know its historically inaccurate to say the first-century Christians were Roman Catholics; they were no such thing. Radoillo: It's refreshing to see a sensinble seemingly neutral person. I dont exactly agree with the entirety...but you're making sense. |
Re: Reasons Why The Roman Catholic Members Will Go To Hell-fire. by COvo(m): 12:20pm On Nov 10, 2013 |
Ukuts gp: The papacy is of pagan origin. The title of pope or universal bishop was first given to the bishop of Rome by the wicked emperor Phocas. This he did to spite bishop Ciriacus of constantipole who had justly excommunicated him for his having caused the assassination of his predecessor emperor Mauritius.The Catholics have hidden themselves |
Re: Reasons Why The Roman Catholic Members Will Go To Hell-fire. by italo: 12:25pm On Nov 10, 2013 |
Ukuts gp: The papacy is of pagan origin. The title of pope or universal bishop was first given to the bishop of Rome by the wicked emperor Phocas. This he did to spite bishop Ciriacus of constantipole who had justly excommunicated him for his having caused the assassination of his predecessor emperor Mauritius. You're also a pagan then. You celebrate Christmas that the 'pagan' pope instituted to celebrate his 'pagan' Lord. 2 Likes |
Re: Reasons Why The Roman Catholic Members Will Go To Hell-fire. by Enigma(m): 12:26pm On Nov 10, 2013 |
A propos Carthage, here is one I made earlier. https://www.nairaland.com/1478018/why-churches-different-doctrines-denominations/23#19111959 So our friends like to claim that they "ratified" Carthage. They hang this on a quotation allegedly included in the acts of Carthage. But that is the very one that experts said (two posts above edit follow link on first line of this post) is probably not original. What is more, our friends have their own way of translating the passage to English as if the Africans were subjecting their canon to the "authority" of Rome. That is: "However, the sentence "Let this be made known also to our brother and fellow-priest Boniface, or to other bishops of those parts, for the purpose of confirming that Canon" cannot belong to either of these councils." Meanwhile a late leading Roman Catholic historian (and bishop to boot), i.e. Hefele, admits (in agreement with other experts) that the true translation of the passage is not as the #masterforgers like to claim! Again, from here http://www.bible-researcher.com/carthage.html "In connection with this, it has been observed that at least one manuscript indicates that the original wording of the sentence was “De confirmando isto canone transmarina ecclesia consulatur” (“For the confirmation of this canon the church across the sea shall be consulted”). This is the reading adopted by Hefele for his reconstruction of the council of Hippo, and Westcott mentions it in a note. 9 More recent authors tend to present the canon of the third council of Carthage with this emendation." Again, #masterforgers we salute! |
Re: Reasons Why The Roman Catholic Members Will Go To Hell-fire. by Nobody: 12:31pm On Nov 10, 2013 |
The heretic Marcion of sinope was first to propose a christian canon in the second century his heretical canon was rejected by the catholic church and he himself was later excommunicated for his heretic beleifs.later other Catholics like Origen,Athanasius(who was the catholic bishop of Alexandria) among others were listing their private lists which they felt was the canon but the catholic church(also called the roman catholic church) rejected all these private lists and held a church councils in 393 @ hippo to decide the books listed above,later councils held @ carthage in 397CE,419CE and lastly @ trent in 1546CE to ratify the hippo resolutions in use by the catholic church today.4 church councils held over 1000 years produced the same canon!! |
Re: Reasons Why The Roman Catholic Members Will Go To Hell-fire. by Ukutsgp(m): 12:33pm On Nov 10, 2013 |
C.Ovo:dont mind them. They are just deceiving themselves. If they go to heaven they will pollute it with their idols and dead skulls they worship as God |
Re: Reasons Why The Roman Catholic Members Will Go To Hell-fire. by Enigma(m): 12:34pm On Nov 10, 2013 |
Another one I made earlier When Roman Catholics tell lies and use fraudulent arguments, they tend to overlook that it can easily rebound on them. If a person says the list of canonical books presented by Athanasius is "private", then of course: - Irenaeus list of "popes" that they even gerrymander ----- is also only a "private" list. - Eusebius' list of "popes" --- is also only a "private list". And of course those are in any event contradicted by the lists of Tertullian and Jerome. And of course none of these lists is said to be divine --- unlike Athanasisus' list of canonical books which is said to be accredited and divine and delivered to the fathers by eyewitnesses from the beginning! |
Re: Reasons Why The Roman Catholic Members Will Go To Hell-fire. by Enigma(m): 12:35pm On Nov 10, 2013 |
And one more from the factory Athanasius list "private"! lol lol Yeah right, something he said was divine, and delivered to the fathers by eyewitnesses from the beginning' that one don become "private". An extract from that statement of Athanasius I referred to. While identifying and listing the books of "the Bible" in AD 367 (long before anything that the Roman Catholics can claim) he referred to: "... the divinely inspired Scripture, concerning which we have been fully persuaded, as they who from the beginning were eye-witnesses and ministers of the Word, delivered to the Fathers; it seemed good to me also, having been urged thereto by true brethren, and having learned from the beginning, to set before you the books included in the Canon, and handed down, and accredited as divine ....... " When it suits them the Roman Catholics claim "tradition". When Athanasius shows the world tradition that exposes Roman Catholic lies, they turn their backs to "tradition". |
Re: Reasons Why The Roman Catholic Members Will Go To Hell-fire. by Nobody: 12:43pm On Nov 10, 2013 |
The resolution 22 confirms the identity of these bishops as catholic bishops. Canon 22. (Greek xxv.) That bishops or other clergymen shall give nothing to those who are not Catholics And that to those who are not Catholic Christians, even if they be blood relations, neither bishops nor clergymen shall give anything at all by way of donation of their possessions. |
Re: Reasons Why The Roman Catholic Members Will Go To Hell-fire. by Ukutsgp(m): 12:44pm On Nov 10, 2013 |
When the issue concerning the catholic is raised, they always talk about the canonisation of the scriptures to defend their evil man-made traditions as if canonisation of the scripture will save them. They cant even be the one wu canonised the bible because if they do, they will nt blatantly and defiantly go against its teaching like that. This will simply tell u dat catholic is a pagan infested church. |
Re: Reasons Why The Roman Catholic Members Will Go To Hell-fire. by Nobody: 12:48pm On Nov 10, 2013 |
The fact that the private lists of heretics like marcions and catholics like Athanasius and Origen is not in use by any church in existence today confirms the irrelevance of private canons as individuals can not be allowed to keep their individual canons wich would in turn breed anarchy. Unless a private writing is endorsed by the church it remains the person's personal opinion and not binding on the church irrespective of the person involved Athanasius for instance been a Very revered Catholic Bishop who fought most gallantly for the divinity of Christ. |
Re: Reasons Why The Roman Catholic Members Will Go To Hell-fire. by SalC: 12:49pm On Nov 10, 2013 |
Ukuts gp: dont mind them. They are just deceiving themselves. If they go to heaven they will pollute it with their idols and dead skulls they worship as GodAll this because you were told you celebrate pagan chrismas? My dear if catholics are going to hell fire, you are going before them period. At least they know their stand, you don't. |
Re: Reasons Why The Roman Catholic Members Will Go To Hell-fire. by italo: 12:49pm On Nov 10, 2013 |
Ukuts gp: When the issue concerning the catholic is raised, they always talk about the canonisation of the scriptures to defend their evil man-made traditions as if canonisation of the scripture will save them. They cant even be the one wu canonised the bible because if they do, they will nt blatantly and defiantly go against its teaching like that. This will simply tell u dat catholic is a pagan infested church. One of our "evil man-made traditions" is Christmas...and you participate in it. You're evil then. |
Re: Reasons Why The Roman Catholic Members Will Go To Hell-fire. by Nobody: 12:53pm On Nov 10, 2013 |
Teespice: But Teespice, u no dey go church na . 1 Like |
Re: Reasons Why The Roman Catholic Members Will Go To Hell-fire. by Enigma(m): 12:55pm On Nov 10, 2013 |
Ah, another one from the ol factory 1. Jerome ('church father'), Gregory ('pope'), Cajetan ('cardinal') --- all Roman Catholics; all major Roman Catholics (all speaking before the Roman Catholics finally set their own canon) ---- all AGREE with the so-called "Protestants" about the books of the canon! 2. To clarify further, the King James version (originally and for a long time and still in some editions) took the same approach as Jerome, Gregory I, Cajetan as well as Athanasius that the books of the Apocrypha are not in the canon but can be useful in a secondary role. Thus the KJV used to include the Apocrypha but place them in a different part to mark their distinction from the main canonical books. A further note of interest, even today, there are still "protestants" who use books of the Apocrypha in this secondary role. The Roman Catholics like to muddy the waters, throw confusion and hope people will not notice their lies if they are not familiar with or clear on the history and development of the canon (or even canons) of the Bible. |
Re: Reasons Why The Roman Catholic Members Will Go To Hell-fire. by SalC: 12:59pm On Nov 10, 2013 |
Ukuts gp: When the issue concerning the catholic is raised, they always talk about the canonisation of the scriptures to defend their evil man-made traditions as if canonisation of the scripture will save them. They cant even be the one wu canonised the bible because if they do, they will nt blatantly and defiantly go against its teaching like that. This will simply tell u dat catholic is a pagan infested church.Yet you go to church on the day they sanctioned, celebrate chrismas on the day they chose. Who is the ignorant pagan here? |
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