BraveGuy:



You are the one who should be quiet, my friend, you're the deluded one.

Please disprove the Isaac Newton one

I haven't watched it but, it will turn out to be another nonsense, you rushed to post a documentary by James Cameron without knowing that his other documentary runs contrary to everything the bible says, he claims Jesus had a son and he found his tomb, you posted the drawing of a white girl who painted a white man as her god, now another one from Issac Newton?. . .Why should i accept it when you have been posting rubbish since?. . .

Have you ever think this?

Man also created God in his own image and likeness,check this out

Man gets Angry
God gets angry too Genesis6:13 and genesis19

Man is Jealous
God is also jealous exodus20:5

Man habours hatred in his heart
God habours hatred in his heart Romans9:12

Man is merciful
God is merciful also kings11:13

Man undergo stages of civilisation
God also undergoes stages of civilisation-God of stone age(sun,rivers,mountains)-God of old testament(very brutal)-God of medieval(mild)-God of renaissance(God of gap)-21st century (God of money £ € $ ¥ #)

Man is tribalistic
God is tribalistic(jews are my choosen)
Man always need helper
God too needs helper(G.Os,G.S,Caliphate,Pope)

For man to reproduce he needs woman
For God to reproduce He needs Mary
So you can see for yourself man created God in his image and likeness

Weah96: ^^^ Do you consider those points you mentioned here to be evidence of the claim that only someone with Yahweh's attributes is the source of the bible?

Of course, yes.

mazaje1:

Who is Joshua and where did Joshua said Moses wrote genesis?. . .Where did Jesus say Moses wrote Leviticus?. . .Which archaeology and where does it say Moses wrote Exodus?. . .Moses wrote about his death and as well, eh?. . .I gave you a single point which is the different writing styles, which puts an end to all the nonsense you have been saying. . .You have a rabbinical tradition that says Moses wrote some things, the same Rabbis looked at it closely and realized that the tradition was wrong. . . .Keep dancing around. . .You have nothing to show only that I believe. . .Where did Moses claim authorship of any book in the bible?. . .Do you even know how those books were written?. . .Why is genesis two written in old hebrew and genesis one written in the standard biblical hebrew?. . .The standard biblical hebrew was invented very long after the supposed life time of Moses so how did Moses write it?. . .

Perhaps, you are just dancing around with semantics. Those Books were not classified as Genesis, Exodus, etc., in his lifetime, neither the Book of Joshua, not even the Gospels. Those people just wrote for others to read the intentions of God and the various aspects. They were not writing with the expectation of churning out Bestsellers. Please, add a little common sense to these things. They didn't the chapters and verses either.

BraveGuy:

Perhaps, you are just dancing around with semantics. Those Books were not classified as Genesis, Exodus, etc., in his lifetime, neither the Book of Joshua, not even the Gospels. Those people just wrote for others to read the intentions of God and the various aspects. They were not writing with the expectation of churning out Bestsellers. Please, add a little common sense to these things. They didn't the chapters and verses either.

You are the one that is supposed to use common sense, I have told you that Rabbinical TRADITION is what gave authorship to those books. . .Most of the authors of the books of the bible remain unknown. . .No body knows who wrote most of the books of the bible. . .The book of genesis alone has many authors. . .You can not tell me Moses wrote a book when the writing style used in such book were not in use during his life time. . .No bible scholar accepts this only deluded people like you that are blind to reason and open only to indoctrination. . . .I ask again, what do you know about the different writing styles that are present inside the bible?. . .Do you know in any of the languages written in the bible?. . .You don't even know what come is in any of the languages used yet you are here blabbing. . .

I must admit that you have a SERIOUSLY WARPED understanding. You have entwined the truth with falsehood. I almost don't know where to begin. Most of the things you pointed out are the confirmation of the fallen nature of Man. I challenge your thinking, why don't you read this Bible that you're criticizing out of context?

Papacypaul: Have you ever think this?
Man also created God in his own image and likeness,check this out

Man does more than create God in his own image, he has a god of birds, of animals, of serpent, etc., Man's creativity has been corrupted.

Papacypaul:
Man gets Angry
God gets angry too Genesis6:13 and genesis19

The anger of God is seen when His righteousness and holiness is challenged, but the same cannot be spoken of Man, Man's anger is seen when his pride and arrogance is challenged, they are two different things.

Papacypaul:
Man is Jealous
God is also jealous exodus20:5

You mean you want to compare the jealousy of man with that of God?
God is jealous over His Creation and He has a right to do so. But when man is jealous is usually because he's selfish or hates the fact that someone else has something he doesn't. Incomparable!

Papacypaul:
Man habours hatred in his heart
God habours hatred in his heart Romans9:12

Again hatred in man is about selfish intentions, that of God is about the rejection of God. Two different things. In fact, God defines human hatred as equal to murder.

Papacypaul:
Man is merciful
God is merciful also kings11:13

Man was created in the image of God and His likeness. Man has God-like qualities, just that he has fallen and those qualities have been corrupted that is the difference.

Papacypaul:
Man undergo stages of civilisation
God also undergoes stages of civilisation-God of stone age(sun,rivers,mountains)-God of old testament(very brutal)-God of medieval(mild)-God of renaissance(God of gap)-21st century (God of money £ € $ ¥ #)

God NEVER changes. All those gods of civilization were man-made.

Papacypaul:
Man is tribalistic
God is tribalistic(jews are my choosen)
Man always need helper
God too needs helper(G.Os,G.S,Caliphate,Pope)

Two different things.
God owns the whole of Creation (Psalm 24:1-2), singled out the Jews to use them as a showpiece for how man should behave, but since the time of the Messiah, He has brought forth the Church, which cuts across racial, tribal, colour, language barriers.

Papacypaul:
For man to reproduce he needs woman
For God to reproduce He needs Mary
So you can see for yourself man created God in his image and likeness

If Jesus Christ did not come as a woman, you will claim that the demands of God on humanity is practically impossible, but He did and you have no excuse not to live a perfectly moral life.

mazaje1:

I haven't watched it but, it will turn out to be another nonsense, you rushed to post a documentary by James Cameron without knowing that his other documentary runs contrary to everything the bible says, he claims Jesus had a son and he found his tomb, you posted the drawing of a white girl who painted a white man as her god, now another one from Issac Newton?. . .Why should i accept it when you have been posting rubbish since?. . .

Of course, it is YOUR choice. Standing by a particular choice doesn't make it right. That is why God gave you a brain. The only thing is that be careful with your FINAL choice.

Diego Costa chose Spain over Brasil and he had a "wonderful" world cup, isn't it?

I would like to ask you atheists - DO YOU BELIEVE IN ALIENS & UFOs?

BraveGuy:

Of course, yes.

So let us check them out individually. Let's examine exhibit A, which is:
The bible said that the earth was round (Isaiah 40:22) before Galileo, therefore only an omnipotent and omniscient person could have shared that information with the Jews.

Like I said before, this is not evidence of the divine origins of the bible. In 240 BC, a scientist called
Eratosthenes figured out the correct circumference
of the earth using shadows, sticks, pencil, and paper.
http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2011/09/21/who-discovered-the-earth-is-ro/
The knowledge doesn't remotely suggest that Yahweh must have shared insider information. Additionally, the language used in Isaiah 40:22 is ambiguous. It didn't say that the earth is a circle, but rather "he sits above the circle of the earth." A lot of ancients believed that the SKY was a dome above a flat earth. "Above the circle" could just as easily be a reference to the sky, which would be consistent with the prevailing ideas of Yahweh's residence everywhere else in the bible.
And then there are the scriptures which contradict your assertion: Job 38:13, Jeremiah 16:9, Daniel 4:11 all use the phrase, to/from "the ends of the earth."
Job 38:13
13 That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH, that the wicked might be shaken out of it

A spherical object has no end. Then there are the scriptures which state that the earth has four corners, like a flat surface of definite shape:
Isaiah 11:12, Rev 7:1

Isaiah 11:12
12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH.
Revelation 7:1
1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

A circle doesn't have four corners. My conclusion is this, even if Isaiah was the first author to acknowledge the spherical shape of the earth, that fact does not suggest that an omnipotent and omniscient person told him. In fact, a reasonable person would only arrive at your conclusions of divine inspiration after exhausting ALL other possibilities, including the possibility that Britney Spears bought a time machine, went back in time, and told Isaiah. Secondly, the bible describes a flat earth in many other verses, implying that the ambiguous diction of Isaiah 40:22 was not a reference to the geometric shape of the earth, but of the visible dome of the sky.

Weah96:

So let us check them out individually. Let's examine exhibit A, which is:
The bible said that the earth was round (Isaiah 40:22) before Galileo, therefore only an omnipotent and omniscient person could have shared that information with the Jews.

Like I said before, this is not evidence of the divine origins of the bible. In 240 BC, a scientist called
Eratosthenes figured out the correct circumference
of the earth using shadows, sticks, pencil, and paper.
http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2011/09/21/who-discovered-the-earth-is-ro/
The knowledge doesn't remotely suggest that Yahweh must have shared insider information. Additionally, the language used in Isaiah 40:22 is ambiguous. It didn't say that the earth is a circle, but rather "he sits above the circle of the earth." A lot of ancients believed that the SKY was a dome above a flat earth. "Above the circle" could just as easily be a reference to the sky, which would be consistent with the prevailing ideas of Yahweh's residence everywhere else in the bible.
And then there are the scriptures which contradict your assertion: Job 38:13, Jeremiah 16:9, Daniel 4:11 all use the phrase, to/from "the ends of the earth."
Job 38:13
13 That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH, that the wicked might be shaken out of it

A spherical object has no end. Then there are the scriptures which state that the earth has four corners, like a flat surface of definite shape:
Isaiah 11:12, Rev 7:1

Isaiah 11:12
12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH.
Revelation 7:1
1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

A circle doesn't have four corners. My conclusion is this, even if Isaiah was the first author to acknowledge the spherical shape of the earth, that fact does not suggest that an omnipotent and omniscient person told him. In fact, a reasonable person would only arrive at your conclusions of divine inspiration after exhausting ALL other possibilities, including the possibility that Britney Spears bought a time machine, went back in time, and told Isaiah. Secondly, the bible describes a flat earth in many other verses, implying that the ambiguous diction of Isaiah 40:22 was not a reference to the geometric shape of the earth, but of the visible dome of the sky.

I must say that I am EXTREMELY disappointed that you have still failed to grasp or attain to the level of Biblical Intelligence. FOUR CORNERS of the earth refers to the polarities - north-south-east-west. The bible is ALWAYS making references with respect to these polarities, right from Genesis. A good example of this can be seen here:
Genesis 28:14 And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed.

Revelation 21:13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.

Did you ask yourself when the Book of Isaiah was written at all? It was written between 740-680 B.C., toward the end of the reign of King Uzziah and throughout the reigns of King Jotham, Ahaz and Hezekiah.

Which one is older? 740-680 B.C or 240 B.C?

A circle doesn't have polarities?

Job 26:7 "He stretches out the north over empty space And hangs the earth on nothing." ~ Job understood the idea that the earth is suspended in space.

Job 26:10 "He described a circle upon the face of the waters, until the day and night come to an end." ~ Job also understood the movement of the sun and moon in circular patterns.

Isaiah 40:21 & 22 "Do you not know? Have you not heard? Has it not been declared to you from the beginning? Have you not understood from the foundations of the earth? It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in." ~ Isaiah understood that God sits above the "circle of the earth" or as could be translated "globe"

Proverbs 8:27 "When He established the heavens, I was there, When He inscribed a circle on the face of the deep," ~ The word circle here is translated from a phrase that is applied to the curvature of the horizon when on the open ocean. This is the same physical evidence used by the greeks some 1,000 years later to make their own observations about a round earth.

While it is assumed that the Greeks were the first to suggest this idea, the fact is the book of Job written over 1,500 years before Eratosthenes of Alexandria was born contains the exact same information.

It was in fact a small handful of scholars not associated with the Christian church who began that inaccuracy nearly 300 years after the life of Christ.

Taken in context and when understood the time period and technology available to Job, it's amazing that he had a grasp and understanding of outer space, gravity and the universe LONG before the Greeks began to speak out in regards to such things.

Your point regarding circle and sphere fail to take into consideration that the concepts used to describe the idea of a circle are the exact same methods used by the Greeks to propose the idea of a round earth. The idea of circle is based upon the horizon and the natural curvature found there. I guess it's ok for the Greeks to use such logic, but if found in the Bible that automatically makes it incorrect? Also, I failed to find the linguistic evidence you provided. Would you be so kind as to give some sources for your material?

Your point regarding the four corners is easily understood when taken in context. North, south, east and west have been described as the four reaches of the earth even in modern times. It's a poetic figure of speech.

None of the verses in the Bible speaking of a flatness of the earth imply that the idea of a flat earth as being correct. I would challenge you to show such verses if they exist.

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c015.html
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c034.html

Where did you go to school? If I were you I would ask for my money back!

Dear atheists,

In the Beginning, there was fear and ignorance and Man said, "Let there be God," So, Man created God out of nothing to calm his fears and avoid the threats of Hell.

I have another question for my atheists friends, it is taken from the first few chapters of C. S. Lewis’s Miracles:
Do you believe that we have a non-illusory power to reason?

If you believe that our thoughts are ever rational, not mere biochemical events in an inevitable cause-and-effect chain, you’re not a materialist; you believe in the supernatural.

BraveGuy:


Where did you go to school? If I were you I would ask for my money back!

LOL, so the verses I quoted were references to the cardinal points, even though other scriptures directly mentioned the points by name, without ambiguity? Out of all the verses you bring here, NOT EVEN ONE states that the earth is round or a circle. Isaiah 40:22 doesn't say that the earth is a circle. Nowhere in Job is it written that the earth is round or a circle. Any fair minded person can see that you're being disingenuous, ascribing meaning to phrases in order to satisfy an existing agenda.

Secondly, I mentioned Eratosthenes for one reason only, to prove that mammals, without the assistance of a supernatural omnipotent entity, can make discoveries of this nature using the most rudimentary of materials. You should be ashamed to present not only these unintelligible verses as evidence that the bible authors knew the correct geometric shape of the earth, but to also imply that it is impossible for humans to make this sort of discovery without the help of Yahweh. Lastly, Satan tempted Jesus in the novel, taking him up high and showing him all the kingdoms of the world. Is it possible to see all the kingdoms of the world from one location like "the highest mountain" if the earth isn't flat?

Weah96:
LOL, so the verses I quoted were references to the cardinal points, even though other scriptures directly mentioned the points by name, without ambiguity? Out of all the verses you bring here, NOT EVEN ONE states that the earth is round or a circle. Isaiah 40:22 doesn't say that the earth is a circle. Nowhere in Job is it written that the earth is round or a circle. Any fair minded person can see that you're being disingenuous, ascribing meaning to phrases in order to satisfy an existing agenda.

Secondly, I mentioned Eratosthenes for one reason only, to prove that mammals, without the assistance of a supernatural omnipotent entity, can make discoveries of this nature using the most rudimentary of materials. You should be ashamed to present not only these unintelligible verses as evidence that the bible authors knew the correct geometric shape of the earth, but to also imply that it is impossible for humans to make this sort of discovery without the help of Yahweh. Lastly, Satan tempted Jesus in the novel, taking him up high and showing him all the kingdoms of the world. Is it possible to see all the kingdoms of the world from one location like "the highest mountain" if the earth isn't flat?

You are still arguing that the Bible revealed that the earth is round? Job 26:10, Prov 8:27, Isaiah 40:22, Amos 9:6. Today, we laugh at the people of the fifteenth century who feared sailing because they thought they would fall over the edge of the flat earth. Yet the Bible revealed the truth in 1000 B.C. 2500 years before man discovered it for himself!

What have you that ANYONE had this same information some 2500years ago? NONE!

In various verses, the Bible says the earth is round and hangs in space. It took a long time for science to catch up and reach the same conclusions. Copernicus made the discovery in 1475. But the Bible always knew. Here are two related Bible verses that were written more than 2500 years ago, and more than 1000 years before Copernicus:

"He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth..." (Isaiah 40:22,NIV). (What you still fail to put into account is that fact that the Hebrew language at that time did not have a word for "sphere," only for "circle." )

"He spreads out the northern [skies] over empty space; he suspends the earth over nothing" (Job 26:7, NIV).

The book of Job was written some 2500years ago!

BraveGuy:
Your point regarding the four corners is easily understood when taken in context. North, south, east and west have been described as the four reaches of the earth even in modern times. It's a poetic figure of speech.

Here is a site written by Christians more honest than yourself where it is acknowledged that the bible doesn't mention a spherical earth, not from the Hebrew translation. In fact, there is no word for sphere in Hebrew.

http://www.crivoice.org/circle.html

BraveGuy:

You are still arguing that the Bible revealed that the earth is round? Job 26:10, Prov 8:27, Isaiah 40:22, Amos 9:6.

I'm not arguing anything, fair minded people, even Christians, can see that it doesn't. Go to the link I posted.

I make two points. One, the bible doesn't state the correct geometric shape of the earth.

Second point: even if it does, it wouldn't mean that an invisible entity called Yahweh could have been the ONLY source behind the information. Other humans figured the sh.it out using shadows and sticks. This evidence is inadmissible as far as divine origination is concerned.

Weah96:
Here is a site written by Christians more honest than yourself where it is acknowledged that the bible doesn't mention a spherical earth, not from the Hebrew translation. In fact, there is no word for sphere in Hebrew.

http://www.crivoice.org/circle.html

I just explained that at the time of the writing, there was no Hebrew word for "Sphere" or "globe", I checked my Strong's Concordance for the root word of the "Circle".

Another thing you fail to understand is that just because someone has a label of Christian or Reverend does not mean that he is a true believer of God and the Bible. Have you never heard of a "Bishop" who says he does not believe in the existence of God, or the Virgin Birth?

It was H.G. Wells who wrote, "Satan delights in statistics and quoting scriptures, too.

See: http://www.whale.to/c/bishops.html

Weah96: I make two points. One, the bible doesn't state the correct geometric shape of the earth.

Second point: even if it does, it wouldn't mean that an invisible entity called Yahweh could have been the ONLY source behind the information. Other humans figured the sh.it out using shadows and sticks. This evidence is inadmissible as far as divine origination is concerned.

So an information that had been around before the scientific world picked it up should be ignored? I mean the original source should be deemed irrelevant because an atheist doesn't believe it?

Weah96: I make two points. One, the bible doesn't state the correct geometric shape of the earth.
Second point: even if it does, it wouldn't mean that an invisible entity called Yahweh could have been the ONLY source behind the information. Other humans figured the sh.it out using shadows and sticks. This evidence is inadmissible as far as divine origination is concerned.

He keeps talking thrash, the ancients knew the earth was round because they could see the shadow of the earth on the moon during a solar eclipse. He keeps saying the bible predicts stuffs when most of the bible was written after the events had already happened, many false prophecies abound in the bible, i listed some for him to lie and say that "ahh, the place is not really a physical place, its a place that is spiritual" . . .or "ahh its an allegory" or "ahh its going to happen in the future". . .The guy is clearly deluded and will lie to himself jst because he wants to keep believing in ancient fiction and mythology. . .

BraveGuy:

I just explained that at the time of the writing, there was no Hebrew word for "Sphere" or "globe", I checked my Strong's Concordance for the root word of the "Circle".

Another thing you fail to understand is that just because someone has a label of Christian or Reverend does not mean that he is a true believer of God and the Bible. Have you never heard of a "Bishop" who says he does not believe in the existence of God, or the Virgin Birth?

It was H.G. Wells who wrote, "Satan delights in statistics and quoting scriptures, too.

See: http://www.whale.to/c/bishops.html

The earth is not a circle, so the bible got it wrong. . .

mazaje1:

He keeps talking thrash, the ancients knew the earth was round because they could see the shadow of the earth on the moon during a solar eclipse. He keeps saying the bible predicts stuffs when most of the bible was written after the events had already happened, many false prophecies abound in the bible, i listed some for him to lie and say that "ahh, the place is not really a physical place, its a place that is spiritual" . . .or "ahh its an allegory" or "ahh its going to happen in the future". . .The guy is clearly deluded and will lie to himself jst because he wants to keep believing in ancient fiction and mythology. . .

You are the one talking thrash, because you can't backup you so-called "ancients" with when they claimed what and at where by whom?

How MANY "Ancients" knew of "Paths of the sea"

Matthew Maury (1806-1873) is considered the father of oceanography. His daughter was reading a portion of the Bible to him. While listening, he noticed the expression "paths of the sea" in Psalms 8:8. Upon his recovery, Maury took God at his word and went look ing for these paths. We are indebted to his discovery of the warm and cold continental currents. His book on oceanography is still considered a basic text on the subject and is still used in universities. Maury used the Bible as a guide to scientific discovery. If only more would use the Bible as a guide in their personal lives!

"At one time, when Commodore Maury was very sick, he asked one of his daughters to get the Bible and read to him. She chose Psalm 8, the eighth verse of which speaks of "whatsoever walketh through the paths of the sea," he repeated "the paths of the sea, the paths of the sea, if God says the paths of the sea, they are there, and if I ever get out of this bed I will find them."

Source: http://www.bible.ca/tracks/matthew-fontaine-maury-pathfinder-of-sea-ps8.htm
Reference: http://www.bible.ca/tracks/paths-of-the-sea-ps8-8-a-brief-sketch-of-the-work-matthew-fontaine-maury-richard-launcelot-maury-1915ad.jpg

BraveGuy:

So an information that had been around before the scientific world picked it up should be ignored? I mean the original source should be deemed irrelevant because an atheist doesn't believe it?

I didn't see anything in the scriptures you posted which validates your assertion. The bible does not say that the earth is a sphere or a circle. It doesn't! Let it go! You're causing other Christians to have doubts because of your blatant lies. Thou shalt not lie, remember? You're doing it on a public forum.

How MANY "Ancients" knew of "Paths of the sea"

Matthew Maury (1806-1873) is considered the father of oceanography. His daughter was reading a portion of the Bible to him. While listening, he noticed the expression "paths of the sea" in Psalms 8:8. Upon his recovery, Maury took God at his word and went look ing for these paths. We are indebted to his discovery of the warm and cold continental currents. His book on oceanography is still considered a basic text on the subject and is still used in universities. Maury used the Bible as a guide to scientific discovery. If only more would use the Bible as a guide in their personal lives!

"At one time, when Commodore Maury was very sick, he asked one of his daughters to get the Bible and read to him. She chose Psalm 8, the eighth verse of which speaks of "whatsoever walketh through the paths of the sea," he repeated "the paths of the sea, the paths of the sea, if God says the paths of the sea, they are there, and if I ever get out of this bed I will find them."

Source: http://www.bible.ca/tracks/matthew-fontaine-maury-pathfinder-of-sea-ps8.htm
Reference: http://www.bible.ca/tracks/paths-of-the-sea-ps8-8-a-brief-sketch-of-the-work-matthew-fontaine-maury-richard-launcelot-maury-1915ad.jpg

What you keep failing to see or admit is the FACT that the Bible led scientists (and in this case - oceanographers) in the way they have walked so far.

Atheist friends, keep digging!

BraveGuy:

What you keep failing to see or admit is the FACT that the Bible led scientists (and in this case - oceanographers) in the way they have walked so far.

Atheist friends, keep digging!

This is more like it. These are the kinds of scenarios that Christians usually present to justify the divine origination of the bible. I'm used to non sequitur like this one. But this latest selective biblical literalism business with which you're currently engaged doesn't suit you well. Stop trying to make sense out of the bible. It doesn't make sense, that's why Faith is required.

BraveGuy:

You are the one talking thrash, because you can't backup you so-called "ancients" with when they claimed what and at where by whom?

I have shown you already, list one science book that says Job was the first to write that the earth was a sphere, list one science book that says that the bible was the first to say that the earth hangs on nothing. . .List one science book that gives the bible credit for being the first to make any scientific discovery. . .You are just ridiculous. . .

mazaje1:

I have shown you already, list one science book that says Job was the first to write that the earth was a sphere, list one science book that says that the bible was the first to say that the earth hangs on nothing. . .List one science book that gives the bible credit for being the first to make any scientific discovery. . .You are just ridiculous. . .

And even if the bible and Job were the first, how does that prove that it is the word of an omnipotent deity? The squared root of 2, for example, goes to infinity. Yahweh could have provided Job with the one billionth digit, or the 2 trillionth digit. Computers today could verify the data, and we would have a real puzzle on our hands. Instead, Job is talking about circles over deeps and other gibberish.

Weah96:

And even if the bible and Job were the first, how does that prove that it is the word of an omnipotent deity? The square root of 2, for example, goes to infinity. Yahweh could have provided Job with the one billionth digit, or the 2 trillionth digit. Computers today could verify the data, and we would have a real puzzle on our hands. Instead, Job is talking about circles over deeps and other gibberish.

He goes to apologist sites that make things up and claim the bible says this or that, when shown clear scientific errors in the bible they same people will tell you that the bible is not a science text book . . .Funny people. . .I clearly showed him where the bible made wrong prophecies and he came up with answers like "ohh the place the bible mentioned is not the one in this earth but a supernatural one and the prophecy will happen in heaven". . .Pleas how deluded can one be?. . .

mazaje1:

He goes to apologist sites that make things up and claim the bible says this or that, when shown clear scientific errors in the bible they same people will tell you that the bible is not a science text book . . .Funny people. . .I clearly showed him where the bible made wrong prophecies and he came up with answers like "ohh the place the bible mentioned is not the one in this earth but a supernatural one and the prophecy will happen in heaven". . .Pleas how deluded can one be?. . .

What he doesn't realize is that every argument he makes is simply a regurgitation of debunked ones. There is nothing new as far as the bible is concerned. The bible is a book of wrong prophecies. If Judaism could be uncoupled from Jewish nationalism and tradition, all the Jews would be atheists.

OF COURSE, DAILYMAIL website is an apologist website
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2248916/Piltdown-Man-The-truth-fraud-revealed-100-years-fooled-world.html

Experts tricked for 40 years!

In 1912, Arthur Woodward announced to the world that he had found the missing link between ape and man. Piltdown Man, as he called it, consisted of a jaw bone and a piece of skull which he estimated to be over 500,000 years old! However, in 1953, when the new fluoride dating process was applied to the bones, scientists were shocked to learn that the jaw bone was less than 50 years old. Only then did they notice that the bones and teeth had been treated with salts and filed to make them appear old and primitive. In other words, Piltdown Man was a complete fraud. Take note Bible student! The world's foremost scientific experts had been fooled for over 40 years! (Read 1 Corinthians 3:18-20.) For almost a half century, evolutionists pushed Piltdown Man in the faces of Bible believers as scientific proof we evolved from apes! Some proof!

In spite of over 100 years of intensive searching, the only place you will find a missing link today is in the colourful imagination of an evolutionist. Museums certainly don't have any! "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." (Gen 1:1) Have you ever considered that when God created the universe in six short 24 hour days, He may have been taking His time?

The Bible is a reliable book of genuine divine prophecy. You can trust it!

The evidence presented here is just a tiny portion of the proofs available to establish the divine origin of the Bible. Yet, they are more than sufficient to prove the inspiration of the Bible. There will always be men who scoff at the Bible. You, however, can be confident when you read your Bible that God is the author, for it is written:

"We constantly thank God that when you received from us the word of God's message, you accepted it not as the word of men, but for what it really is, the word of God" (1 Thessalonians 2:13).

*** Keep searching for a black needle in a dark haystack that don't exist ***

Paul aptly said it all:
Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Weah96:

What he doesn't realize is that every argument he makes is simply a regurgitation of debunked ones. There is nothing new as far as the bible is concerned. The bible is a book of wrong prophecies. If Judaism could be uncoupled from Jewish nationalism and tradition, all the Jews would be atheists.

The problem is that Jews do not read the bible like Christians, if you notice he lifts his nonsense from christian apologist sites and not Jewish sites because the Jews for some reason are very honest, Rabbis will clearly tell you that Moses did nt write any pat of the books attributed to him because the standard biblical style of writing was not invented during the time of Moses, they will tell you that tradition is what ascribed the authorship to Moses, that;s just one aspect, Jews do not agree to most of the interpretations Christians give to the biblical stories, Jews see the adam and eve story as the age of awareness while christians see it as the fall of man etc. . .The jews will never tell you that Yahweh is all loving or all god, they will Just tell you that yahweh is a god of justice, christians ascribe various silly attributes to their god that leaves them lying all the time when they try to explain away all the contradictory attributes they assign to their god. . .The god of the jews is not the same as that of the christians. . .