prettyprettywow: In US, all Drs specialize. Even the family physician (who are primary healthcare providers) is still an area of specialty. they still undergo residency You are not a fully qualified Dr until you are matched and done your residency which makes you a specialist!

What? Are you for real? Not fully qualified until you do residency?

Family and social medicine is a specialty, but you don't have to be a family medicine specialist before you become a 'family doctor'.
You only need an MBBS nd a licence (for the country/region) to practice medicine anywhere.

Ignorance is a disease of the mind.

silentdon:

What? Are you for real? Not fully qualified until you do residency?

Family and social medicine is a specialty, but you only need an MBBS nd a licence to practice.

Ignorance is a disease of the mind.

I think you are the one who is ignorant here. Family medicine residency is three years in including internship.
The post you quoted is referring to US. You are not fully qualified to practice medicine until you do residency and family medicine is one or if not only the least in number of years.

prettyprettywow: You forgot that these are salaries of specialist Doctors(consultants) with over 12yrs of education and average of $300k in student loan (for US Drs) as compared to the salaries of an entry level nurse ( 4yrs degree and less than $50k student loanfor US graduates)). You fail to realize that in US, resident Drs earn an average of $45k, quite below the salary of the least hospital worker. So when they say Drs aern 200k, know that they are talking about consultants, and if you wanna compare with nurses, talk about nurse practitioners where some specialist nurse practitioners earn more than some specialist Drs e.g Anaesthetic nurses (CRNA) earn more than family physicians. Our Drs want to reap where they did not sow.

Besides, nobody is asking to earn same salary as Drs. That has never been the issue

The op is very correct. He was not comparing entry doctors to entry level nurse. Now entry level nurse earn between $30,000 to $45,000 a year as compared to the about $80,000 posted by the op (what specialist nurse earn per year). This link will help you http://www.medical-careers-guide.com/nursing-salaries.html
Now resident doctors still earn more than entry level nurse in the USA between $41,000 to $62,000, it could be more

In some schools also, undergrad medical students (not residents) are paid while others are not. In US, there is nothing like GP,rather we have internists and family physicians and they also undergo residency. No Dr practices in US immediately out of medical school. You must undergo atleast 4years residency for you to even be a family physician while other specialties spend more years. Google is there for you to use

DebateNigeria:
I am here again. Let's debate this. I have to do some research.
But I am also aware that in some school of nursing (in Nigeria), student nurses are paid whereas medical students are not.
I disagree with you completely.
Anytime they are taking a survey, they take a survey of people in similar group. They is no way the compare salary of a medical consultant to that of an entry nurse.
To make headway in this argument we must decide to use USA as our case study and then look at how much they pay specialist nurses and specialist doctors, entry level nurse and entry level doctor (GP or medical officer). Resident doctors are in school I guess, so we can only compare them to those in school of nursing.

In US, you have to do residency do be a family physician, you don't get any job in clinical area unless you have done your residency. My roommate is in medical school, and I just called him to confirm from the horses mouth . That is why they get matched during their final year for their different specialty area. You need to start doing a little research. don't be lazy to use google

Mind you, i am talking about US

silentdon:

What? Are you for real? Not fully qualified until you do residency?

Family and social medicine is a specialty, but you don't have to be a family medicine specialist before you become a 'family doctor'.
You only need an MBBS nd a licence (for the country/region) to practice medicine anywhere.

Ignorance is a disease of the mind.

you don't know what you are saying. Don't argue with people who are in the system. if nurses earn btw 30k-45k which is around the minimum wage, I wonder why everybody including their mothers and grandmothers want to be a nurse here in US

DebateNigeria:
The op is very correct. He was not comparing entry doctors to entry level nurse. Now entry level nurse earn between $30,000 to $45,000 a year as compared to the about $80,000 posted by the op (what specialist nurse earn per year). This link will help you http://www.medical-careers-guide.com/nursing-salaries.html
Now resident doctors still earn more than entry level nurse in the USA between $41,000 to $62,000, it could be more

DebateNigeria:
The op is very correct. He was not comparing entry doctors to entry level nurse. Now entry level nurse earn between $30,000 to $45,000 a year as compared to the about $80,000 posted by the op (what specialist nurse earn per year). This link will help you http://www.medical-careers-guide.com/nursing-salaries.html
Now resident doctors still earn more than entry level nurse in the USA between $41,000 to $62,000, it could be more

Bureau of labour statistics stated otherwise quoting median nurses salary at $67,000. , Registered Nurses,
on the Internet at http: //www .bls .gov/ooh /healthcare/registered -nurses. htm ( visited July
12 , 2014 )

And that is still not it. Besides, this post is not about comparing salaries. Nurses never claim to make more than the doctors even in Nigeria. We just want the right things done for our healthcare system

Morotov1: Bureau of labour statistics stated otherwise quoting nurses salary at $67,000.

prettyprettywow: In some schools also, undergrad medical students (not residents) are paid while others are not. In US, there is nothing like GP,rather we have internists and family physicians and they also undergo residency. No Dr practices in US immediately out of medical school. You must undergo atleast 4years residency for you to even be a family physician while other specialties spend more years. Google is there for you to use

Yes agreed I have checked.... This is just to buttress your point http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/education-careers/becoming-physician.page?
But it also states that they can practice under supervision but need to do a residency training to practice on their own like you rightly said. It's complicated actually, it also mentioned board certified (don't really understand that).
But the summary is that they don't have to finish a residency program before they can practice or earn money if not resident doctors won't be paid at all. But they definitely need the residency program to earn more (interesting)

Morotov1: Bureau of labour statistics stated otherwise quoting nurses salary at $67,000.

Link please. We do details here and facts. Once I am convinced I add to my knowledge and rest my case...

Btw, I am not talking about nurses, I am talking about entry level nurse.
Any nurse in the house, please clarify, I guess staff nurse is the same as auxiliary nurse. If that's the case, that means the are still auxiliary nurses in the USA. How come they are not recognized and given the proper training in Nigeria.

I did not dispute the figures. That is why I said that the figure quoted is for specialist Drs and not newly graduated medical student like the nurses. Unlike what is obtainable here. You can go back and re-read my posts Stop confusing yourself

DebateNigeria:
Yes agreed I have checked.... This is just to buttress your point http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/education-careers/becoming-physician.page?
But it also states that they can practice under supervision but need to do a residency training to practice on their own like you rightly said. It's complicated actually, it also mentioned board certified (don't really understand that).
But the summary is that they don't have to finish a residency program before they can practice or earn money if not resident doctors won't be paid at all. But they definitely need the residency program to earn more (interesting)

prettyprettywow: I did not dispute the figures. That is why I said that the figure quoted is for specialist Drs and not newly graduated medical student like the nurses. Unlike what is obtainable here. You can go back and re-read my posts Stop confusing yourself

I am not confusing myself. My interpretation of what you posted was that he was comparing consultant doctors to entry level nurses. I am sorry if I got you wrong.
But you agree with me that nurses and other health professionals don't earn as much as doctors anywhere in the world, at least nit in the USA.
You made mention of anaesthesic Nurses, did you check what consultant(doctor) anesthetist earn? I am sure it may even double that of the nurses.

do your research well. don't just quote just for the sake of arguement. if registered nurses earn that, then tell me what certified nurse assistants(CNA) and licensed vocational nurses (LVN) earn

DebateNigeria:
Link please. We do details here and facts. Once I am convinced I add to my knowledge and rest my case...

Btw, I am not talking about nurses, I am talking about entry level nurse.
Any nurse in the house, please clarify, I guess staff nurse is the same as auxiliary nurse. If that's the case, that means the are still auxiliary nurses in the USA. How come they are not recognized and given the proper training in Nigeria.

prettyprettywow: you don't know what you are saying. Don't argue with people who are in the system. if nurses earn btw 30k-45k which is around the minimum wage, I wonder why everybody including their mothers and grandmothers want to be a nurse here in US

I said "entry level nurse" while the average for an experienced nurse is about $80,000

n , Registered Nurses,
on the Internet at http: //www .bls .gov/ooh /healthcare/registered -nurses. htm ( visited July
12 , 2014 ) can't copy with my phone but that is bureau of labour statistics website recent salary analysis for RN's. . Entry qualification- associate degree.
Experience - nil. Check out the residents salary depending on the hospital recruiting eg John Hopkins hospital for PGY1- PGY4 salary.

prettyprettywow: do your research well. don't just quote just for the sake of arguement. if registered nurses earn that, then tell me what certified nurse assistants(CNA) and licensed vocational nurses (LVN) earn

CNA earns about $30,000, while LVN earn about $40,000......Please note, this is not an "entry level" salary.

I am not here to compare Drs and Nurses salaries. I said some specialist nurses earn more than some specialist Drs using the examples I gave. You don't expect to receive same salary with a Dr that spent atleast 12years in training with average of 300k school debt while nurse spends about 4years with little or no student loan. These things are put into consideration when negotiating for salary But the conditions are different in Nigeria. Nurses have the opportunity of getting fundings and scholarships which a medical student will never get in US, because they believe that Drs can always make money later in life hence the high medical school fees

But nigerian Drs don't want to put all those into consideration (low pay during residency, high student debt, high malpractice insurance) cos they work in govt hospitals and do not pay higher sch fees

DebateNigeria:
I am not confusing myself. My interpretation of what you posted was that he was comparing consultant doctors to entry level nurses. I am sorry if I got you wrong.
But you agree with me that nurses and other health professionals don't earn as much as doctors anywhere in the world, at least nit in the USA.
You made mention of anaesthesic Nurses, did you check what consultant(doctor) anesthetist earn? I am sure it may even double that of the nurses.

So why do you say That RNs earn that? really? so they now earn same with CNA, LVN. So tell me their entry level

DebateNigeria:
CNA earns about $30,000, while LVN earn about $40,000......Please note, this is not an "entry level" salary.

prettyprettywow: I am not here to compare Drs and Nurses salaries. I said some specialist nurses earn more than some specialist Drs using the examples I gave. You don't expect to receive same salary with a Dr that spent atleast 12years in training with average of 300k school debt while nurse spends about 4years with little or no student loan. These things are put into consideration when negotiating for salary But the conditions are different in Nigeria. Nurses have the opportunity of getting fundings and scholarships which a medical student will never get in US, because they believe that Drs can always make money later in life hence the high medical school fees

Ok, noted.
Yes, I think most senior nurses should earn more than junior doctors (this should be the right thing), I don't know what is obtainable in Nigeria, but will try to find out. A matron should earn more than a medical intern.

prettyprettywow: So why do you say That RNs earn that? really? so they now earn same with CNA, LVN. So tell me their entry level

Good. Give me a few mins, I will find out what their entry level is. Thanks

DebateNigeria:
Link please. We do details here and facts. Once I am convinced I add to my knowledge and rest my case...

Btw, I am not talking about nurses, I am talking about entry level nurse.
Any nurse in the house, please clarify, I guess staff nurse is the same as auxiliary nurse. If that's the case, that means the are still auxiliary nurses in the USA. How come they are not recognized and given the proper training in Nigeria.

I think you should stay back a little and study the workers you are talking about,their training, job descriptions and all what not before coming in for this. These post shows you're more conversant with doctors cadre than other health workers.
Staff nurses are nurses with single qualification according to Nigerian nurses scheme of service while axulliary are health attendants trained by physician to cut cost. US system has been modified a long time ago with each cadre of nurse assistants having designated formal training and duties months of training ranges from 6months to 12 months for CNAs and LPNs respectively...while RNs have associate and bachelors degree cadre. Associate degree is being fade out for more structured BSN.
The substandard training of nursing assistant in Nigeria is majorly spearheaded by Nigerian doctors even Dr Obembe the recent NMA president.
Poor regulatory body another main factor.

Morotov1: I think you should stay back a little and study the workers you are talking about,their training, job descriptions and all what not before coming in for this. These post shows you're more conversant with doctors cadre than other health workers.
Staff nurses are nurses with single qualification according to Nigerian nurses scheme of service while axulliary are health attendants trained by physician to cut cost. US system has been modified a long time ago with each cadre of nurse assistants having designated formal training and duties months of training ranges from 6months to 12 months for CNAs and LPNs respectively...while RNs have associate and bachelors degree cadre. Associate degree is being fade out for more structured BSN.
The substandard training of nursing assistant in Nigeria is majorly spearheaded by Nigerian doctors even Dr Obembe the recent NMA president.
Poor regulatory body another main factor.

Ok... Thanks. Noted.
If the doctors are doing that to cut cost then nurses should fight against it because they are not properly trained. Again this us a minus on the part of doctors

prettyprettywow: And that is still not it. Besides, this post is not about comparing salaries. Nurses never claim to make more than the doctors even in Nigeria. We just want the right things done for our healthcare system

what is that right thing you want to be done?

prettyprettywow: Drs go to school wnd pay same fee with others,.

Not true.

prettyprettywow: tell me where a Dr has been sued. also tell me you have not seen cases where nurses are sued. What nigerian Drs do is shift blame to others like nurses. how many times have they actually taken responsibility for their actions without blaming the nurses? They are very good at covering up their atrocities and havig the CMD protect them

Very true

femyodsky: Other health workers want to be collecting the same amount of Money as doctors. Whereas, it's not so in other parts of the world.
See how it is outside the country. I don't think it should be different here.

We v started again!

prettyprettywow: Ask me again

Lol

These figures are NOT very useful WITHOUT the salaries of their presidents, prime ministers, senators, congress men, MPs and legislators.

When you put those in the picture it will be obvious why we are losing our people to these LESS INEQUAL wage countries.

They are all lives savers.

Doctors should earn more than any other profession or Politicians in any country. IMHO

Because you cant buy life..

phantom: lol

SENSELESS Dr. Am ashamed on behalf of ur age nd urself family members.

phantom: I am a snr registrar in radiology.my salary is barely $1500/month. my junior colleagues in the US earn about >$5000/ month.even if government adjusts the scale like we are asking, I still wouldn't earn up to $2000/mth. so what is the heaven and earth we are asking for? I have been collecting 5000naira per month hazard allowance ($30) for years. have the heavens fallen? I still do my job. what is the special thing you think we are asking for?

u can be snr anything in anything. What we are saying is that you should allow other workers in the health sector get to the peak of their professions