Sagamite: This data is very faulty.

What is "highest average salary"?

Is it highest?

Or is it average?

The person that produced this data definitely did not work in consulting.

Not really smart, too

Must be a product of a failed education system
He/she is a person

Olaone1:
Not really smart, too

Must be a product of a failed education system
He/she is a person

You know.

Only few doctors deserved to be payed well. At a teaching hospital i was opportuned to be privy of their internal affairs, 3 doc will be on call,but you will found only one,the other two are at their private clinics.
They also have ego issues,could remember a few years ago when few nurses used to study anaesthetic as an appendage,soon doctors follow suit and as expected they have made it exclusive to doctors only.

Forwetinnah:

And for you to think they migrate and become medical practitioners immediately shows you have NO IDEA of what you're talking about...even with their Nigerian certificates they still have to write some exams incase you don't know. I have a nurse friend in Denver and she's still stuggling

Haha... You are the one with no idea of what you talking about.Migrating doesn't mean they go on straight to work. They write exams don't mean they are crass. Every country conducts exam for Doctors migrating to practice from their country of training. Even Nigeria does same to foreign Doctors wanting to obtain a Nigerian practice license.
You nurse friend in Denver still struggling is not same as Doctor who migrated. Even at that...She would still make it at the end of the day. Struggling or Not Struggling.

Before you quote me...Don't quote someone who has passed through the system. I won't lecture you further. End of Discussion.

semitunde:

And Engrs....? I'm sure you're here because you've never been in a building collapse or a sinking ship or a plunging plane.

There should be stricter rules in medicine, because when the architect builds a shaky house and it collapses. .where do they take the victims to? When a Mechanical Engr manufactures a faulty car, where do they take the victim to? I know a female Doc who travels to Dubai to give birth to her kids cause she can't stand the risk of letting her colleagues deliver her; why? She has a rear blood type. I've also witnessed a case where a patient was the one who told an intern doctor(male) that her "consultant" had taken her off a particular drug...meanwhile the doctor had 'opened her file, read through it' and was about injecting the said prescription into her drip( no supervision ) for him mind now him dey "on call" and dey do him" rounds"!! Word around was that the intern doctor was a relation of the MD in UPTH then...smh

ArabianPrince:

Haha... You are the one with no idea of what you talking about.Migrating doesn't mean they go on straight to work. They write exams don't mean they are crass. Every country conduct exam for Doctors migrating to practice fron their country of training. Even Nigeria does same to foreign Doctors wanting to obtain a Nigerian practice license.
You nurse friend in Denver still struggling is not same as Doctor who migrated. Even at that...She would still make it at the end of the day. Struggling or Not Struggling.

Before you quote me...Don't quote someone who has passed through the system. I won't lecture you further. End of Discussion.

Lol...you sounded like they get automatic employment as long as they have the certificate. Can you boldly say the same nonsense our nurses try in our hospitals can be done overseas? I don't really care whether you're in the field or not...All I'm saying is if they want good salaries, they should EARN IT!!

Forwetinnah:

Lol...you sounded like they get automatic employment as long as they have the certificate. Can you boldly say the same nonsense our nurses try in our hospitals can be done overseas? I don't really care whether you're in the field or not...All I'm saying is if they want good salaries, they should EARN IT!!

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End Of Discussion. (E.O.D.).
Enjoy Your Day. ( E.Y.D.).

[size=14pt]The statistics produced is so poor, it really is not worth debating on.[/size]

The more I look at it, the more I am amazed how stewpid the collator is.

The UK one is not correct.. This should be updated because I Dont earn that.

angela98: The UK one is not correct.. This should be updated because I Dont earn that.

Are you saying you earn below that or above that?. Which makes it incorrect.

angela98: The UK one is not correct.. This should be updated because I Dont earn that.

Abeg, tell them ooo. It is not correct

The quest for supremacy by doctors is yet another sign of the ever lingering malaise sowed in our midst by ex~Pres. Obasanjo, who in his quest to perpetuate himself in power took stes to compromise all existing institutions & structures...He distorted & ensured the executive arm of govt got & earned far above normal emoluments, the same was done for Judges compared to other judiciary workers (they got guranteed a frontline charge), the legislators following suit were blackmailed...

angela98: The UK one is not correct.. This should be updated because I Dont earn that.

That was what I used to realise the data was thrash.

Nigerian acadmics who complained about this disparity in emoluments being introduced by OBJ were publicly chided & told to go become councillors......Whilst his govt blatantly refused to raise & pay a reasonable take home minimum wage to career civil servants.This bad precedent sowed the seed of industrial acrimony in the nation..As it was incumbent of unions to fight for what they felt was their own share of the largeese..Doctors were informally ceded the helmship of the health sector... smh

Morotov1: I think you are the one who is ignorant here. Family medicine residency is three years in including internship.
The post you quoted is referring to US. You are not fully qualified to practice medicine until you do residency and family medicine is one or if not only the least in number of years.

you mean to tell me they don't have GPs ( general practitioners ) in the US.. That's new

Forwetinnah:

There should be stricter rules in medicine, because when the architect builds a shaky house and it collapses. .where do they take the victims to? When a Mechanical Engr manufactures a faulty car, where do they take the victim to? I know a female Doc who travels to Dubai to give birth to her kids cause she can't stand the risk of letting her colleagues deliver her; why? She has a rear blood type. I've also witnessed a case where a patient was the one who told an intern doctor(male) that her "consultant" had taken her off a particular drug...meanwhile the doctor had 'opened her file, read through it' and was about injecting the said prescription into her drip( no supervision ) for him mind now him dey "on call" and dey do him" rounds"!! Word around was that the intern doctor was a relation of the MD in UPTH then...smh

Your argument may not be wrong, but the thing is, with a less motivated or low quality ENGR you stand little chance being alive to have the privilege of calling a doc.

You need engrs to PREVENT occurrences that you may need docs to help correct; most may not live to get that correction and besides, like a yoruba proverb, a scar can never be like the original skin.

More and more, better technologies come out aiding and even slowly fading out medical guys, as in other areas of life. In the future, we may need less docs, but guess who is developing these technologies? Engrs. If the producers of the MRI scanners made mistakes, doctors will be operating parts they have no business opening up.

I think the role of doctors as life savers, though a fact, is overrated. Engrs save many lives by preventing catastrophic occurrences that can befall anyone, anytime.

slimmy05: But seriously, you have since been ranting without dropping any link yourself and you refer them to Google.com. You ooze of arrogancy, typical of every nurses.

Well, when you walk into any hospital, you only find the nurses gossiping rather than attending to patients. They work lesser hours than the doctors, they go on leave at any slightest headache. They grumble and complain a lot. They really do not have much work to do in a teaching hospital setting. Its even the doctors that set line and in most cases give patience their drugs.

you must be silly to write that about nurses. You mentioned about grumbling and complaining, who grumbles and complains when other health workers get payed half of what the doctors are payed,doctor. Who are on strike grumbling and complaining,doctors. Bro write what you know instead of mocking yourself. You can never compare the long hours nurses spend with patients to that of doctors. you made mention of nurses going on leave, I advice you pick up the civil service rule book and read so that you learn more about the civil service.

phantom: I am a snr registrar in radiology.my salary is barely $1500/month. my junior colleagues in the US earn about >$5000/ month.even if government adjusts the scale like we are asking, I still wouldn't earn up to $2000/mth. so what is the heaven and earth we are asking for? I have been collecting 5000naira per month hazard allowance ($30) for years. have the heavens fallen? I still do my job. what is the special thing you think we are asking for?

So u now convert nigerian salaries to US salaries in dolars
See how poor our Drs reason, very skewed. These guys cant ever be rational and reasonable always living in closed boxes, no doubt people detest u guys.
Why didn't u compare medical school fees in USA and what u pay in here in Nigeria,
Why didn't u compare the cost of fuel in USA and what u buy here in Naija.
Ur argument is wicked same way u pple are wicked to other health professionals,
What is the salary of a sonographer in your department. U as a students earns 3x more than him, few yrs later, u become a consultant and earn 6x more than him.
Wicked egocentric.
The end is very near.

Highest average salary.
Highest avearge rainfall.
Highest avearge life expectancy.
So what about the terminology?.

Dio1: There really aren't specialist nurses in nigerian teaching hospitals , so your point is baseless, nigerian nurses and their johesu cohorts are not interested in specialization… they're more concerned about salary

please don't be ignorant,do some research work.

Hey! Wia did you pick dis statistics from?

phantom: I am a snr registrar in radiology.my salary is barely $1500/month. my junior colleagues in the US earn about >$5000/ month.even if government adjusts the scale like we are asking, I still wouldn't earn up to $2000/mth. so what is the heaven and earth we are asking for? I have been collecting 5000naira per month hazard allowance ($30) for years. have the heavens fallen? I still do my job. what is the special thing you think we are asking for?

Considering you are a qualified "medical doctor" that does not know how to start a sentence with capital letters, I suspect you are overpaid in comparison to your US counterparts.

Never compare yourself to Western counterparts considering the quality of their education and their productivity.

If I had the choice, just based on looking at your post, I would not let you be in charge of any healthcare I receive. I like to see from all evidence that my personal physician is top notch.

Well nobody force them come work if dem no like them pay "sit down for house"

phantom: but its the doctor that still gets sued in Nigeria.not the nurse.not the pharmacist.

Forget that thing! How many doctors have been sued in Nig in proportion to the number of pple they give permanent disabilty with injection we see limping about? What of those they kill with misdiagnosis? Have u not heard of cases that they forget some tool in a patient stomach after operation? An the chain continues... An average Nigerian will let go even if the doctor tries to deny unprofessionalism saying is the will of God. So, how many doctors are sued in Nig as u are trying to claim?

No matter how intelligent these arguments are, the fact is that we are at this point because some eeddiiots that call themselves health professionals can't manage their ego.

I find it funny when a Professor of English claiming to be knowledgeable in consulting..... finds it hard to understand the term "Highest Average" And he wants the services of a top notch personal physician. How would he appreciate such services?.
Considering the above.... If I have my way, I would ban such a person from operating in any consulting firm.

prettyprettywow: Imagine resident Drs that are still under training going on strike. Only in Nigeria.

Resident doctors are the backbone of any teaching hospital, they are called resident doctors for a reason!
A resident doctor is training to be a specialist in his field; not just training to be a doctor. Some Resident doctors are experienced and have worked as MOs for years before going for residency training.

Pele

aletheia:
What do you understand by the word "Average"?

And what does "Highest Average" supposed to mean.? If he wants to talk about average, then, let him talk about average. If he want to talk about highest, let him talk about highest..

Pass your WAEC and JAMB, get admitted into a med school, study medicine and graduate as a MEDICAL DOCTOR if you can. Stop hating DOCTORS!!!

silentdon:

Rubbish! where is it written that that's the salary of consultants?
Who told you it's all doctors that specialize to become consultants.
Gen practitioners form a bulk of docs, FYI.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jacquelynsmith/2012/07/20/the-best-and-worst-paying-jobs-for-doctors-2/

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The crippling student loans that burden many medical students may dissuade them from becoming family practitioners or pediatricians. Instead, foreseeing that they will owe about $140,000 at graduation, they might opt to pursue more lucrative specialties like cardiology or urology.

With a base pay offer of $189,000 a year, on average, family practitioners, pediatricians, and psychiatrists are offered the lowest pay of all physicians, according to the medical search and consulting firm Merritt Hawkins & Associates’ 2012 Review of Physician Recruiting Incentives.

That might seem like serious money, but it pales in comparison an orthopedic surgeon’s $519,000 paycheck. Cardiologists make an awful lot, too. They are guaranteed an average base salary of $512,000, according to the Merritt Hawkins data. The third highest-paying specialty: Urology. These specialists earn an average of $461,000, not including production bonuses or benefits.

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Why are specialists offered so much more than primary care physicians? One reason is they simply bring in more revenue per doctor.

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“Primary care may monopolize the headlines, but, by in large, specialists still monopolize physician compensation,” says Travis Singleton, senior vice president of Merritt Hawkins. “Specialists still far out produced their primary care counter parts in terms of guarantees offered by an average of over $150,000.”

That’s probably because in medicine today, more value is placed on procedures than on diagnosis and preventive care—but Singleton says, “we’re making progress.”

For example, a primary care physician who spends 45 minutes consulting with a diabetic may be paid less than an orthopedic surgeon who spends ten minutes repairing a knee. “Even with recent efforts to pay primary care physicians more, cardiologists and other specialists still are able to generate considerably more revenue than family physicians and other primary care doctors, and hence are paid more,” Singleton says. “I think people will suggest that it costs more to develop a specialist to justify higher salaries, and to an extent that’s correct. However, the primary driver remains the revenue capacity and reimbursement.”

The disparity in pay has contributed to a declining interest in primary care and has created a shortage of these doctors. In the 1990s, many medical school graduates were drawn to primary care residencies, enhancing supply, but today many are avoiding the field.

“The truth is that medical students have long been deterred from going into primary care not only for economic reasons but for reasons connected to professional prestige,” Singleton says. “Many primary care physicians have told us that during medical school they were counseled by their professors to go into a medical specialty rather than into primary care, because the ‘best students’ specialize,” he adds. But things are starting to look up for primary care physicians this year.

Their compensation guarantees, for the first year in several, increased significantly in this past survey. In fact, since 2007, family practitioner salary offers have increased over 10%, or approximately $17,000. In that time period, pediatrics was the single biggest winner of the primary care specialties with an almost 20% gain.

“One of the most overlooked reasons for this sudden boom in primary care offers is the rise of employment,” he says. “With more hospitals employing primary care physicians, we are seeing a greater ability to pay larger guaranteed salaries that better reflect the demanding market.” He says it’s expected that this trend will carry on as employment percentages continue to increase—thus reducing the shortage of primary care doctors.

Glen Stream, MD, MBI, president of the American Academy of Family Physicians (AAFP), says it’s already happening. Stream says that after two consecutive years of increased medical student interest in family medicine, the AAFP has seen the number of graduates entering these residencies plateau in 2012.

“The provisions of the Affordable Care Act that place added value on primary care are a good beginning, but we can’t lose momentum,” Stream says. “We need to double down on programs that generate student interest. Now is the time to reform the medical education infrastructure, tear down the barriers to students who want to become primary care physicians, and establish a practice environment that ensures that young primary care physicians can build successful practices that serve the needs of their communities.”.........

Singleton concludes, “Though we’ve made strides, we have a ways to go. Politicians may urge medical students that primary care is the route to pursue, but the money still suggests otherwise.”

Bulk of the money come from the top three special areas which those that paid there way into medical school will never be able get into. If they venture into it, they will be producing cadaver every now and then.

Bear in mind, the level of litigations in these countries is one of the reasons why their salaries are very high.
Check out the salaries of doctors where there is minimal litigations. From France to Italy
http://medlines.org/they-pay-less-for-a-hungarian-doctors-than-other-workers-medical-salaries-europe/

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The worst findings in the article is that when it comes to comparising the salaries to other non-medical salaries, it turns out that several countries, such as Hungary, and the Czech Republic are paying a lot less for their doctors than for other workers . (the most for doctors is around 1000 EURO in Hungary, and the avarage workors salary is around 1300 EURO)

Sagamite:

Considering you are a qualified "medical doctor" that does not know how to start a sentence with capital letters, I suspect you are overpaid in comparison to your US counterparts.

Never compare yourself to Western counterparts considering the quality of their education and their productivity.

If I had the choice, just based on looking at your post, I would not let you be in charge of any healthcare I receive. I like to see from all evidence that my personal physician is top notch.

coming from sagamite.........a board certified re.tard. grasping at straws as usual while his betters argue the essence.....lol