spikesC:

Never gonna happen. Who and who is gonna engage in such conflict?
I see more of communal clashes than tribal.

Even in peace times the Itsekiris and Ijaws have been at war and the Urhobos and Itsekiris have also done the same. These are not communal but tribal clashes

So, any attempt by Igbo or Yoruba to take over other minorities' land FORCEFULLY (REPEAT FORCEFULLY) would lead to serious guerrilla things.

torkaka:

We are talking war here, not insurgency or militancy!!

If a war breaks out, everyone will firstly go to his/her region, numbers will not win a war, tactics and location will! Unlike the east, others have large expanse of land to play and manuever with

May I ask you

Which is easier to defend

1) A small piece of land with huge armed population

2) A large expanse of land with small poorly armed population


Have you asked yourself Why the Nigerian military are able to secure Maiduguri but unable to secure the whole of Borno.

Son if you are a military tactician and strategist,

You will know that it is easier for Igbos to secure their area than the MB securing their area.

What you are unknowning saying is that MB will leave their homes and hide in the bush from where they can lunch a guerrilla.

But in the case of the Igbos, if we are all armed, the Arewas would not be able to penetrate our land because we have fewer places to guard and more men to guard them.


Remember how the 300 Spartans stopped the huge persian force from reaching Spartan at that narrow strip of land.

You need a lot of catching up on military tactics and strategies.

EasternLeopard:

May I ask you

Which is easier to defend

1) A small piece of land with huge armed population

2) A large expanse of land with small poorly armed population

That guy is dumb. To them, everything is land, land, even when the land in question is all open desert.

So many uninformed posters on this thread.

spikesC:

Only Bokoharam activities cannot lead to a declaration of war. Bokoharam is just a tool in the bigger atrocities been committed in Nigeria as a whole.

Here we're talking of tribalism, religious fanaticism, political warfare, marginalization.
That moment when people feel they are been cheated.
When they feel they deserve more.
When they feel that their rights can and will not be giving to them.
When they feel that it is high time they decide on their destiny

All these are naturally what leads to war.

We're not praying for war, but we need to make hay while the sun shines.
If you do not checkmate history, it will repeat itself

but it still does not tell us who will be ones fighting whom over all those things you enumerated....E.G... If the Yorubas feel cheated who will they direct their fight against, so goes with other ethnic groups...

AkinEgba:
That guy is dumb. To them, everything is land, land, even when the land in question is all open desert.

I don't think he is from the MB neither do I think he has lived there.

He failed to ask himself how fulanis with small population beat all security check points to sack MB villages.

People like him fail to realise that large expanse of land are difficult to defend with few men even if they are air mobile.

What fulanis and BH are doing is to use the large expanse of land to their advantage by moving in tiny formations across the land and converging against tiny army outpost eg send 200 BH in tiny formations of 10 per group to converge at an outpost guarding by 50 soldiers and sacking the outpost.

Energito11: 1= If given a chance idoma and igala will align with Igbos due to their close culture but the problem is that,many of us still regard them as hausa.
2nd= Nigeria can break up without war bcus everybody is tired of this con3 even the North,what we need is who will take the lead,we igbos cant take the lead not because of past war but because of our investments in other regions.
Yroubas cant take the lead becus they are afraid of past war which i know that can will not happen if they want to break up.the only people that will break up these con3 is Niger Deltans and if them do others will follow.

Nwanne, I disagree with you that the ND are the only people who can break up the con3. Its clearly the Yoruba. They already have a flag, anthem, constitution and defined territory.

Their elites are just waiting for two things: 1) The outcome of the confab 2) The consequences of 2015 Presidential election especially if results in an empasse bw North and South. The DAWN documents I have suggests pursuit of autonomous regime of taxati and development regardless.

The ND is not a defined area. Apart from the Ijaws (Bayelsa and parts of Delta), there is no clear ND. But only time will tell. But God save us!

EasternLeopard:

BH attacked Lagos

Further actions like that will lead to emergence of ethnic militia and ethnic cleansing and counter cleansing

This can lead to coup that would be resisted violently

Democracy will become divided along ethno-religious line which is a recipe for war.

Is it clear now

NB

Blood bath in the MB can be traced to Maitaitsine terror days. Those days was one of the catalyst that destroyed the North.

The fact is

The Northern elders have lost control over their boys.

Ok lets take Lagos for example... How will you distinguish between a Yoruba and a Hausa, an Igbo from a Yoruba or hausa ,or TIV or Ijaw beside the language.

So ethnic cleansing might lead to your ethnic group killing their own people e.g. Igbos killing Igbos or Yorubas killilng Yorubas because their is not one perfect physical distinguishable features among Nigerians.

IdomaLikita: OP, God Bless You!
Since 2011, I have spent at least 30mins of every single Day thinking about this eventuality!
The MB will suffer Tremendously irrespective of any action she takes!
1st, the War will assume a Religious Dimension and the Persecution of Christian Minorities all over the Core-North will Lead to a Southward Migration of Huge Numbers of People leading to a Massive Humanitarian Crisis in so-called Safe Heavens like Benue, Kogi,Nassarawa,and Southern Taraba!
The Sheer Responsibility of Catering to these New Arrivals will surely Cripple whatever Coalition Government that may be in charge then(a good number of Middle beltan Elites would fly abroad and leave their people to their fate)!
2ndly, I expect the East to quickly shut its Border and concentrate its forces there(having learnt few lessons from the Civil War regarding "Father Christmas"! The west may or may not follow suit!
Then there'll be a Lull, with Negotiations going on and Humanitarian Corridors being negotiated, all the while, Starvation and Disease would be ravaging my people!
Lastly, the North would be expected to go on Full Offensive. Feeble Attempts would be made by the MB to resist! But in-fighting, lack of trust amongst the numerous tribes and greed for power will work to the North's advantage!
The East may only offer economic assistance and maybe, just maybe send some Weapons across, to ensure an effective Buffer zone between herself and the North!
The only Option left to the MB is to get weapons through the Camerounian Border, which will also teem with Refugees or a UN intervention (which ALWAYS comes when half the Population have been decimated)!

Either way, the Consequences would be Catastrophic for me people!

Kosovo, Darfur, Kashmir, etc come to mind!

God Help Us All.

Some of these are not possible. Any region that neglects the MB is doing it at there own detriment.

Infact, the alliance of the MB will be the most important decision in separating the country and fighting any war, if it so has to be.
Yes, the MB will mostly be the point-ground of warfare, but it's alliance will decide how destructive their land will get.

They need to do their calculation very very well. Their alliance will have to be, permit me to say "the winner".
So that they can advance further to the opposition territory as soon as possible.

This also brings us to the aftermath of the war. The MB will need to be developed rapidly to prevent any future thought of marginalization by their ally, which would lead everyone back to square one aka tribal clashes.

spikesC:


This also brings us to the aftermath of the war. The MB will need to be developed rapidly to prevent any future thought of marginalization by their ally, which would lead everyone back to square one aka tribal clashes.

It is for this reason that I prefer every group who can (population being a key factor) to form their own country. The more homogenious the better.

Nnewi1stSon: The north wont be sending an army, but would use guerrilla tactics like they've doing in Jos, and recently Kaduna,Benue etcetera... So tell me how do you fight an enemy you cant see? It will take more than a Miracle to save Northern Minorities. From Kebbi to Gombe,Bauchi,Kaduna, Taraba,Plateau and Nassarawa. The north wont part with one inch of land and wouldnt hesitate to commit genocide just to keep it.

^^^What's saving those bloodthirsty marauding bastards is 'one Nigeria'! The moment this country ceases to exist, it will be easier to rout out these animals masquerading as herdsmen and the like!

AkinEgba:

Even in peace times the Itsekiris and Ijaws have been at war and the Urhobos and Itsekiris have also done the same. These are not communal but tribal clashes

So, any attempt by Igbo or Yoruba to take over other minorities' land FORCEFULLY (REPEAT FORCEFULLY) would lead to serious guerrilla things.

If the war will be truly about emancipation and peace, no one will try to do a forceful take over

kmariko:

Ok lets take Lagos for example... How will you distinguish between a Yoruba and a Hausa, an Igbo from a Yoruba or hausa ,or TIV or Ijaw beside the language.

So ethnic cleansing might lead to your ethnic group killing their own people e.g. Igbos killing Igbos or Yorubas killilng Yorubas because their is not one perfect physical distinguishable features among Nigerians.

Physical appearance dialect dress code Knowledge of your area politics history religion etc


Guy just pray you do not find yourself surrounded by ethnic militia. That day you go know say Igbo different from conehead.

Kponkwem:

Nwanne, I disagree with you that the ND are the only people who can break up the con3. Its clearly the Yoruba. They already have a flag, anthem, constitution and defined territory.

Their elites are just waiting for two things: 1) The outcome of the confab 2) The consequences of 2015 Presidential election especially if results in an empasse bw North and South. The DAWN documents I have suggests pursuit of autonomous regime of taxati and development regardless.

The ND is not a defined area. Apart from the Ijaws (Bayelsa and parts of Delta), there is no clear ND. But only time will tell. But God save us!

But yet, you don't want Regionalism, Nigeria cannot continue with the killings because someday, it will find the people who think they are "safe" today or when a new government comes from another region, all it needs do is what Jona has done: steal money, loot for his own side and people, make noise about protecting Nigerians in the South and loot more money! If there is too much noise, he will draft 50,000 soldiers who will be doing pretty much nothing! Now to breakup, it's hard for una: WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE SO LAZY AND TOO INCOMPETENT TO TAKE A SIMPLE DECISION TO SAVE YOUR LIFE AND GENERATIONS FROM WAR?

spikesC:

If the war will be truly about emancipation and peace, no one will try to do a forceful take over

You are correct for the South. But you cannot vouch for same for the North. To the Hausa-Fulani it's winner takes all.

EasternLeopard:

Physical appearance dialect dress code Knowledge of your area politics history religion etc


Guy just pray you do not find yourself surrounded by ethnic militia. That day you go know say Igbo different from conehead.

Well being a Igbo also affects eyesight, otherwise you should know that a normal human head is oblong or somewhat circular! However, only nematodes, cockroaches like you are flat!

My few cents.

Nobody is praying for a war or wishing for one, but many people from the Middle Belt haven't fully come to terms with how they are seen by Igbos.

Most of the rank and file of the Nigerian Army during the civil war were from the Middle Belt, so Middle Belt soldiers took part in tragedies like the Asaba Massacre and numerous instances of war crimes, rapes and abuses during that war. Igbos haven't forgotten, people from the Middle Belt don't realize this.

There were camps were Igbo women were kept as sex slaves for Nigerian Army soldiers (many from the Middle Belt), many kids were born out of wedlock, women traumatized.

Igbos see people from the Middle Belt as "willing tools of the Hausa/Fulani", with no minds of their own, willing to follow their "master's commands" when the chips are down.

So, I don't see Igbos sticking out their necks for people from Southern Kaduna, Plateau, Tiv etc if there's a major crisis - they will do the minimum possible (but of course, will not support Hausa-Fulanis).

As for Idomas & Igalas, that is a bit tricky - as they are extremely close culturally and geographically to Igbos, it will be much easier to find common ground with them. Many Idomas and Igalas actually speak Igbo & quite a few people from Enugu & Anambra have Idoma or Igala origins.

Sloan:

But yet, you don't want Regionalism, Nigeria cannot continue with the killings because someday, it will find the people who think they are "safe" today or when a new government comes from another region, all it needs do is what Jona has done: steal money, loot for his own side and people, make noise about protecting Nigerians in the South and loot more money! If there is too much noise, he will draft 50,000 soldiers who will be doing pretty much nothing! Now to breakup, it's hard for una: WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE SO LAZY AND TOO INCOMPETENT TO TAKE A SIMPLE DECISION TO SAVE YOUR LIFE AND GENERATIONS FROM WAR?

Like most people here have opined, the Yoruba have the greatest opportunity today to break off. Nobody will attack them to try to bring them back. Why is that not happening?

EasternLeopard:

May I ask you

Which is easier to defend

1) A small piece of land with huge armed population

2) A large expanse of land with small poorly armed population


Have you asked yourself Why the Nigerian military are able to secure Maiduguri but unable to secure the whole of Borno.

Son if you are a military tactician and strategist,

You will know that it is easier for Igbos to secure their area than the MB securing their area.

What you are unknowning saying is that MB will leave their homes and hide in the bush from where they can lunch a guerrilla.

But in the case of the Igbos, if we are all armed, the Arewas would not be able to penetrate our land because we have fewer places to guard and more men to guard them.


Remember how the 300 Spartans stopped the huge persian force from reaching Spartan at that narrow strip of land.

You need a lot of catching up on military tactics and strategies.

Eastern Nigeria is not Isreal!! And this is not 1967!! Eastern Nigeria cannot stretch a northern invasion coming through kogi, once the Niger is crossed, they hit a major city!! Aerial bombardment of the east will resemble what is happening to Gaza right now, unless ofcourse the east has stockpiled thousands of iron domes! If not, once kogi falls, long range missiles will be launched from kogi and do most of the job (the casualty figure will break records).

Its easier taking on a jam packed 3rd world country than a scattered third world country.

Sloan:

But yet, you don't want Regionalism, Nigeria cannot continue with the killings because someday, it will find the people who think they are "safe" today or when a new government comes from another region, all it needs do is what Jona has done: steal money, loot for his own side and people, make noise about protecting Nigerians in the South and loot more money! If there is too much noise, he will draft 50,000 soldiers who will be doing pretty much nothing! Now to breakup, it's hard for una: WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE SO LAZY AND TOO INCOMPETENT TO TAKE A SIMPLE DECISION TO SAVE YOUR LIFE AND GENERATIONS FROM WAR?

It was agreed at the CONFAB

That SW can collapse all their states into a single region which was opposed by Lagos delegates

So stop blaming Igbos but your people who are confused concerning their need.

kmariko:

but it still does not tell us who will be ones fighting whom over all those things you enumerated....E.G... If the Yorubas feel cheated who will they direct their fight against, so goes with other ethnic groups...

Thank you. This bring about my first point on this thread.

The dissolution of Nigeria will mostly be peaceful if the Yorubas are first to seek emancipation.

If their is war, it will be between Nigeria and the region that wants to secede.
But if all regions follow suite, there will be relatively no war.

Another point is, forceful take over of a minority where the major tribes and regions are separated.


Now check this out, if the Niger delta seeks emancipation first, what do you think will happen?
The political elites would not allow them, therefore what happened in the civil war, forceful marriage, will repeat itself again.

But if they do, and South East follows suite, and any other region follows suite, then, there will be no war
The dissolution will therefore be termed peaceful

Flat-headers, they never think straight. *leaves thread*

torkaka:

Eastern Nigeria is not Isreal!! And this is not 1967!! Eastern Nigeria cannot stretch a northern invasion coming through kogi, once the Niger is crossed, they hit a major city!! Aerial bombardment of the east will resemble what is happening to Gaza right now, unless ofcourse the east has stockpiled thousands of iron domes! If not, once kogi falls, long range missiles will be launched from kogi and do most of the job (the casualty figure will break records).

Its easier taking on a jam packed 3rd world country than a scattered third world country.

It is easier to defend a small country with a huge population than a large country with less population. This next war will not be fought in Igboland because there is no reason for it. However, both countries in question are underdeveloped and would have to source their weaponry from outside. The Igbos do not need to target villages but urban centers of the enemy country, ditto the enemy against Igbos. So it might be who throws the most bomb in urban areas wins the war, irrespective of size. The Igbo would have been prepared as the Hausa-Fulani ravages the large expanse that is the MB.

And don't forget, Igbos are the most technological savvy Nigerians. It was Ogbunigwe in 1966. What will it be now?

EasternLeopard:

I don't think he is from the MB neither do I think he has lived there.

He failed to ask himself how fulanis with small population beat all security check points to sack MB villages.

People like him fail to realise that large expanse of land are difficult to defend with few men even if they are air mobile.

What fulanis and BH are doing is to use the large expanse of land to their advantage by moving in tiny formations across the land and converging against tiny army outpost eg send 200 BH in tiny formations of 10 per group to converge at an outpost guarding by 50 soldiers and sacking the outpost.

Clearly you mistake insurgency for war

torkaka:

Eastern Nigeria is not Isreal!! And this is not 1967!! Eastern Nigeria cannot stretch a northern invasion coming through kogi, once the Niger is crossed, they hit a major city!! Aerial bombardment of the east will resemble what is happening to Gaza right now, unless ofcourse the east has stockpiled thousands of iron domes! If not, once kogi falls, long range missiles will be launched from kogi and do most of the job (the casualty figure will break records).

Its easier taking on a jam packed 3rd world country than a scattered third world country.

I swear you are not knowledgeable on military matter

Do you know what is called kill radius

What is the missile kill radius

Have you heard of anti-rockets shells missiles


Guy stop dreaming

If it is so easy


Germany would have wiped out london switzerland stanlingrad etc during WW2


Most of Nigerians think an armada of air raid will subdue Igbos

You guys are still daft even after seeing that it never broke a poor armed Biafra in the last war and won't scratch a well armed Biafra in the future.


All we need to do is to arm everyone with sophiscated arms and use our population and technology to our advantage.

torkaka:

Clearly you mistake insurgency for war

Liberia, Seirra leone, sudan, somalia, and rwanda should tell you a bit more about insurgency and how it contributes to full blown war

EasternLeopard:

I swear you are not knowledgeable on military matter

Do you know what is called kill radius

What is the missile kill radius

Have you heard of anti-rockets shells missiles


Guy stop dreaming

If it is so easy


Germany would have wiped out london switzerland stanlingrad etc during WW2


Most of Nigerians think an armada of air raid will subdue Igbos

You guys are still daft even after seeing that it never broke a poor armed Biafra in the last war and won't scratch a well armed Biafra in the future.


All we need to do is to arm everyone with sophiscated arms and use our population and technology to our advantage.

Again, this is not 1967!!

A word of wisdom for all you igbo mongers, when you think war, remember your jam packed close clustered cities and have a little thought of what the enemy will do!!

All the north needs for the east is a thousand long range missiles!!

More than the west or north, the east needs to be aligned!!

torkaka:

Clearly you mistake insurgency for war

In the event of a disintegrated Nigeria

Arewas will tell all their brothers living in West North Central and East Africa to join them and steal your land.

This massive army supported by Islamic countries will invade the MB.

Sooner or later the MB will beg the Igbos and ND people to help them repel this massive army.

Igbos and the ND knowing that they are next on the agenda of this massive army will deploy all their military assets to keep the war as far North as possible.

suwailad:

Liberia, Seirra leone, sudan, somalia, and rwanda should tell you a bit more about insurgency and how it contributes to full blown war

I do not see the relationship between those countries named above and BH activities.... That you called BH an insurgency does not mean that they are.

suwailad:

Liberia, Seirra leone, sudan, somalia, and rwanda should tell you a bit more about insurgency and how it contributes to full blown war

Insurgents in war situations, have advantage on their own localities and they do not go on the offensive!!

Let a war break out in Nigeria, and we will see if fulani herdsmen will have a field day as they have been having!!

torkaka:

Again, this is not 1967!!

A word of wisdom for all you igbo mongers, when you think war, remember your jam packed close clustered cities and have a little thought of what the enemy will do!!

All the north needs for the east is a thousand long range missiles!!

More than the west or north, the east needs to be aligned!!

All what the East need to counter your missile attacks is to build anti-missile defence system.

And the East has the Technological know how to build such.