texanomaly:

Does your "proof" apply to everyone, or just those who believe the Bible?

Yes!

pweetyz: ..OKAY..now i fully understand what you meant..
this is rather a tricky question but no..i refuse to be inferior
the bible is just an ambiguous book and it takes the special grace of God to be able to comprehend its teachings
it however is not congruent to our thoughts and mindset
but i think there are some forms of fixed inferiority of the female sex that God has
already placed aside such as in the field of sports
well..i personally think the bible simply wants us to humble and pure of heart
this doesn't mean that our male counterparts should take advantage of this and denigrate us..it simply means that they should treat us with care and respect as God direction

in the end i don't believe i'm inferior to men..but that i should give them their due respect as God has placed them above us in some ways but i still don't think that both sexes can not be made equal because the God who created us placed the male sex over the female..i believe both sexes can reach an equipoise

In Eves case however..it is made known in the bible that she was placed under Adam from the moment she was made from him

texanomaly..the bible references applies to those who believe in the bible as they live by its principles and would understand it better but the other reference applies to everyone i.e the sporting activities..it is simply inevitable

God bless you.

phrenoz: Nigerian men and the abnormal sense of self worth they get from their gender...some men are actually begining to see the essence of feminism..buh sum insecure men will always live to oppress the feminine gender in their undying quest for superiority...

This link is the worst feminist nightmare, I think all feminists should be whipped by both men and women http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1274952/Men-ARE-brainy-women-says-scientist-Professor-Richard-Lynn.html

Misogynist2014: Immediately I read your post, I immediately checked your profile, my guess was good. The thoughtless statement came from an atheist. You sounded even more domineering than I ever will. You made the arguement and found the solutions , then why did you quote me? To make me read your "intelligent" post or to show me how brilliant you are.
I asked an atheist one day, if big bang can explain the existence of magic, which I know it can't. If it is then true that magicians like Chris Angels can make mockery of the foundational scientific Laws(which are true but only in the physical and natural realm). Is it then safe to use science without accommodating the spiritual realm in the explanation of our universe? The fööl chickened away from the simple question, so would deluded and proud people like you. You will never learn until it is late.

All that is irrelevant for this topic. So I will it.

Misogynist2014: Yes men are superior to women,yes women are superior to men. Just the way a white cloth can boast of being lighter than black is the same way a black cloth can boast of being darker than white, but both are not equal, neither is one superior to one another, if all conditions are kept constant.

Those two are contradictions and you can't maintain both, one of them has to give way. Object A that is superior in relationship to another Object B naturally implies that Object B is inferior to Object A. For example Ferraris are superior to Fiat, it therefore means that Fiats are inferior to Ferraris. Simple basic reasoning.

Misogynist2014: But conditions are not constant in our world. The properties men have are much more needed in our daily activities and that of women are highly regarded in the home. The YORUBA knew these properties and decided to make the best use of it.
They appointed the Iyalode(women leader) in the palace in order to hear the feelings of women, and also made the position of queen highly regarded

At the coloured, those are recycled stereotypes which are untrue. In the 21st century, women are occupying positions which were exclusive to men in the past century. Today we find women in factories, sports, politics, academia, religious institutions, there are numerous female Nobel laureates; so our experience today nullifies those stereotypes. Besides it is through stereotypes man inflicts injustice.

At the bolded, in other words, Chief Homemaker without any real political power. The Queen had no real power either. The Oyo Empire entire political structure did not have one woman! The Alafin, the Bashorun and the Oyo Mesi were all men.

Misogynist2014: e.g. A proverb goes thus: There is no honour for a King with no queen. They made sure they completely alienated men from certain works, though they knew they could do it as good as women. E.g. Selling farm produce of their husband, selling of cooked foods, shelling of palm oil e.t.c. They made giving birth to a child look like discovering gold e.t.c. Women traded a lot and amazingly,they were allowed to keep their profit and own property

Didn't you suggest previously that women should be homemakers? Why are they careerist traders in your next statement??.

Misogynist2014: The problem with feminism is that 99.9 % of women are naturally submissive. The reason why feminists are so aggressive and cold is not because of men but because they are trying to use it to cover the submissive part of them(I challenge you to tell me a feminist with an unharming smiling face you see on happy school girls). Chimamanda Adichie is a naturally submissive woman, that is why she can't let go of the idea of changing to her husband's name, because deep inside her, she wants to.

More stereotypes and insults. Because your mother was naturally submissive does not mean all women are.

Misogynist2014: Chat with a feminist on Nairaland, she starts high and all of a sudden, she becomes low and begins to ask you why you had to say something abusive to her(as if looking for consolation or apology), you get to feel a little bit sorry for talking to a woman like that, but you behave like a man and continue like nothing happend.

Really.

Misogynist2014: I know a lot of women are being genuinely oppressed, I feel sorry

this topic is what an englishman called BALONEY; foolishness of the highest order;garbage

Kay17:

All that is irrelevant for this topic. So I will it.


Those two are contradictions and you can't maintain both, one of them has to give way. Object A that is superior in relationship to another Object B naturally implies that Object B is inferior to Object A. For example Ferraris are superior to Fiat, it therefore means that Fiats are inferior to Ferraris. Simple basic reasoning.



At the coloured, those are recycled stereotypes which are untrue. In the 21st century, women are occupying positions which were exclusive to men in the past century. Today we find women in factories, sports, politics, academia, religious institutions, there are numerous female Nobel laureates; so our experience today nullifies those stereotypes. Besides it is through stereotypes man inflicts injustice.

At the bolded, in other words, Chief Homemaker without any real political power. The Queen had no real power either. The Oyo Empire entire political structure did not have one woman! The Alafin, the Bashorun and the Oyo Mesi were all men.



Didn't you suggest previously that women should be homemakers? Why are they careerist traders in your next statement??.



More stereotypes and insults. Because your mother was naturally submissive does not mean all women are.


Really.

While we are breaking the stereotypes, I hope women will also take up the menial tasks that men have been doing like ditch digging, stevedoring, roadworks, etc. All the unglamorous but critical jobs that have usually been "a man's job".

Women and men are not equal o! Women are far superior.

tmosco: As long as man and woman are not equal,gender equality cannot be achieved.

LordReed:

While we are breaking the stereotypes, I hope women will also take up the menial tasks that men have been doing like ditch digging, stevedoring, roadworks, etc. All the unglamorous but critical jobs that have usually been "a man's job".

Women already do. And besides that shouldn't bar women's political and civil rights.

Kay17:

All that is irrelevant for this topic. So I will it.


Those two are contradictions and you can't maintain both, one of them has to give way. Object A that is superior in relationship to another Object B naturally implies that Object B is inferior to Object A. For example Ferraris are superior to Fiat, it therefore means that Fiats are inferior to Ferraris. Simple basic reasoning.



At the coloured, those are recycled stereotypes which are untrue. In the 21st century, women are occupying positions which were exclusive to men in the past century. Today we find women in factories, sports, politics, academia, religious institutions, there are numerous female Nobel laureates; so our experience today nullifies those stereotypes. Besides it is through stereotypes man inflicts injustice.

At the bolded, in other words, Chief Homemaker without any real political power. The Queen had no real power either. The Oyo Empire entire political structure did not have one woman! The Alafin, the Bashorun and the Oyo Mesi were all men.



Didn't you suggest previously that women should be homemakers? Why are they careerist traders in your next statement??.



More stereotypes and insults. Because your mother was naturally submissive does not mean all women are.


Really.

I just couldn't help but reply. History repeating itself again! An atheist has skipped a logical arguement. That by the way, your points are baseless and superficial, with all feminism in the west, the men still lead with a wide and highly noticeable margin. In your entire life, have you ever seen both male and female animals having equal power.
I read some of your posts, where you described bible as being misogynist, you made silly points didn't you? How can you be misogynist and still tell people to love their wives, even to the point of dying for them.
Yes women are naturally submissive, its my theory, you have to debunk it if you are in any way serious.
You said we have females doing well in Academia, many other institutions and even religion(Osun, a goddess is one of the most visited gods in Africa), that is very good, could you pls compare it with the figures for men.And I in no way in my post say women should not work as you could see in the way I wrote that special works were reserved for women, all I said was that the works of women in home(which you belittle and is unarguably the foundation of every society) was highly regarded.As far as there is something called male and female, we remain unequal but equally beneficial and all, strong, weak, rich, poor, deserve human rights. The rest of the points you made are in my posts.
COULD YOU THEN ANSWER MY SIMPLE QUESTION ON ATHEISM, OR YOU WANNA CHICKEN OUT http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1274952/Men-ARE-brainy-women-says-scientist-Professor-Richard-Lynn.html

Guys who have ever loved a female in their lives should be championing things like this especially those who adore their daughters. You are not always going to be around to protect and provide for her or your future grand daughters. So the best you can do is leave a better world for them where they can be happy and fulfilled.
Women make the world go round, men are the foundation holding the world. Both together control the world.

Kay17:

Women already do. And besides that shouldn't bar women's political and civil rights.

It is not only women's rights that are trampled upon, have you heard of 'gendercide in war' before, that is the harsh reality of life.

so hermione,it has now gotten to this?....u're tired of playing 2nd fiddle to harry porter right?...i got the message clearly... .....she's certainly read george orwell's 'animal farm' but couldn't remember the famous line 'Not All Animals Are Equal'.....such poor memory

cococandy: I don't want to go into this argument.
If you want to know the origin of feminism,it started from very long ago when women were greatly marginalized. So a movement for equal rights for women as accorded to men started and this movement is what is known today as feminism.
True women are still marignalized in some parts of the world like ours here.

I think it is ignorant to try to dissociate feminism from equal rights.
Y'all should stop the minsinformation and Nigerian/African men should stop crying more than the men who live in the saner climes where feminism is widely recognized.

Sometimes I wonder why an African based man tears his cloths over feminism when the stuff hardly even affects him.
What would they do if they find themselves in the UK or US? Hang themselves

And dude? Stop quoting me and focus on how to make your country better. Feminism isn't your problem.
You've got bigger problems

feminism didnt start long ago. It is only 50years old and we are currently experiencing the 3rd wave of it now. I think you r the one who should learn more about feminism.

Misogynist2014: It is not only women's rights that are trampled upon, have you heard of 'gendercide in war' before, that is the harsh reality of life.

what about gender profiling and the disposability of men we have been seeing all through history?

i just do not have the time and the energy to carry on the debate if not, i would have debunked all the myths being peddled here by those who just think almost everyone is ignorant about gender issues.

@cococandy, all i can say is that you are mistaken on several things you said. But like i said, i just don't have the time and energy to discuss things now.

Emmalot121: I have testosterone(which shows I'm a MAN). . As you read from my posts, I don't give a fück about feminists, all I'm her for is to make sure innocent female folks don't fall into this trap. <>

Thats why we thank you. What would we do without men like you who stand against all forms of gender discrimination.

craziebone:
did you mean to say "Chai! This guy don catch me ooo"?

craziebone:
did you mean to say "Chai! This guy don catch me ooo"?

No I was just pitying your ignorance

Brief History of Feminism

The feminist political movement began in the nineteenth century with a call for female suffrage. At a convention in Seneca Falls, New York, in 1848, a group of women and men drafted and approved the Declaration of Rights and Sentiments. This document, modeled on the language and structure of the Declaration of Independence, was a bill of rights for women, including the right to vote. Throughout the late 1800s, feminist leaders susan b. anthony and Elizabeth Cady Stanton were persistent critics of male society's refusal to grant women political and social equality. In the mid-nineteenth century, many state legislatures passed married women's separate property acts. These acts gave women the legal right to retain ...

Read more
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/_/dict.aspx?rd=1&word=A+Brief+History+of+Feminism

Misogynist2014: I just couldn't help but reply. History repeating itself again! An atheist has skipped a logical arguement. That by the way, your points are baseless and superficial, with all feminism in the west, the men still lead with a wide and highly noticeable margin. In your entire life, have you ever seen both male and female animals having equal power.
I read some of your posts, where you described bible as being misogynist, you made silly points didn't you? How can you be misogynist and still tell people to love their wives, even to the point of dying for them.
Yes women are naturally submissive, its my theory, you have to debunk it if you are in any way serious.
You said we have females doing well in Academia, many other institutions and even religion(Osun, a goddess is one of the most visited gods in Africa), that is very good, could you pls compare it with the figures for men.And I in no way in my post say women should not work as you could see in the way I wrote that special works were reserved for women, all I said was that the works of women in home(which you belittle and is unarguably the foundation of every society) was highly regarded.As far as there is something called male and female, we remain unequal but equally beneficial and all, strong, weak, rich, poor, deserve human rights. The rest of the points you made are in my posts.
COULD YOU THEN ANSWER MY SIMPLE QUESTION ON ATHEISM, OR YOU WANNA CHICKEN OUT http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1274952/Men-ARE-brainy-women-says-scientist-Professor-Richard-Lynn.html

@ the bolded, How did you arrive at that theory. Please explain your methodology to us. But I must warn you, you made a general statement that ALL women are naturally submissive, so it will be very difficult for you to prove same.

First of all, you wouldn't agree with the foundational argument of the article. The writer lays the reason/fault at the doorstep of evolution. Most feminists on the other hand blame Gender. That the society has already prescribed the expectations of a woman as a homemaker thereby making women believe they find a better satisfactory place at the home. For example, in Africa an unmarried woman or barren woman is a failure. So you find most women devoting most of their energies at meeting these social expectations.

Tallesty1: I wanted to pass when I saw the heading of this post because I hate Feminism but on a second thought I decided to give reading it a shot. This Emma Watson is making sense in a way but using feminism instead of "Equal Rights Movement" Is Where she got it wrong.

This two bodies claim to fight for thesame thing but they are not thesame.

The Equal Rights Movements wanted things such as the right to vote and more equality in the work force, a law against domestic violence, maternity leave, equal pay and a law agains sexual harassment and sexual violence.

Feminism is a movement started by men hating, lazy, angry and demonic women.(sorry I'm loose with words sometimes). Feminism arose from the extreme fustrations of women who wanted additional and unnecessary freedoms like abortion, etc.

Ever wondered why Woman A's feminism is not always Woman B's feminism?? That is because they confuse equal right movement with feminism.

I hate feminism because it has failed to acknowledgment that there is any inequality that oppresses men, and they are hell bent on keeping this oppression.

I hate feminism because they tend to want equality only when it benefits them. Their money is their money but their husbands money is for the two of them yet they claim equality. To hit a woman is wrong but to hit a man is self defense.

I hate feminism because they actively seek to overthrow any vestige of male dominance in society, to the point of opposing the biblical roles of husbands and wives, defending abortionon demand, and promoting lesbianism.

I hate feminism because it is based in arrogance, and it is the opposite of the call to the born-again believer to be a servant.

I hate feminsim because they are breaking up the traditional role of the woman in a family and society. It also causes confusion among men and women as to where they stand in the family that's why you hear people say my husband is the head and I'm the neck. I could go on and on but lemme stop here.

To The Christian Feminist. Please think twice. Feminism is from the pit of hell. God outlines the roles of women and men as different but equally as important. He created us different physically, emotionally. Men and women can never be equal. You can say 2 + 2 = 5 if you want to, but the truth is intolerant... 2 + 2 will always equal 4. Don't allow end time teachers to tell you otherwise.

While equal right movement is fighting for all of us, Feminist is attacking men, marriage and promoting lesbianism and being single.

The tussle for power in marriage is completely unnecessary. And before you start thinking that Tallesty likes to oppress women, lemme clear you. NO he doesn't. Tallesty believes in equality as much as anyone, but WITHIN the teachings of the Word of God.

It is sin in the heart that causes inequality. It is sin that causes men to treat women in ways that are meant to demean or objectify them. And it is sin that seeks counterfeit solutions to counteract these inequalities. The only true cure for inequality is obedience to God’s Word. If men and women would walk in obedience to God’s Word then their won't be a need to for feminism or equal right movement.

I agree with everything you said except the bolded. I would rather you say men and women can not be the same rather than equal. I am more equal and better than any man out there.

cococandy: Chai

did you mean to say "Chai! This guy don catch me ooo"?

Daresh:

I agree with everything you said except the bolded. I would rather you say men and women can not be the same rather than equal. I am more equal and better than any man out there.

Stop telling yourself lies dear.


You are not better than anybody.

Crazibone read my earlier post and stop wearing ignorance like a badge

Some people that their mothers are female leaders and influential women will still come here to spread hatred for feminism while they are reaping the direct benefit of the efforts of feminists.
Hypocrites

You've run away now that your ignorance has been exposed?
Ok
Catch you next time. If I have the time.

'Feminism started 50 yrs ago'
Ignorant joke of the century.

craziebone: i just do not have the time and the energy to carry on the debate if not, i would have debunked all the myths being peddled here by those who just think almost everyone is ignorant about gender issues.

@cococandy, all i can say is that you are mistaken on several things you said. But like i said, i just don't have the time and energy to discuss things now.

Kay17:

Women already do. And besides that shouldn't bar women's political and civil rights.

No it shouldn't but we are talking about stereotypes so we should expect women to go out and seek for jobs in those places that were considered "a man's job". How many women would rather carry bricks than choose the "easier" option of prostituting? All those "runs girls" don't see where they are building houses?

BTW I have never in Nigeria seen where a woman is paid less than a man for the same job, have you?

alexis007: so hermione,it has now gotten to this?....u're tired of playing 2nd fiddle to harry porter right?...i got the message clearly... .....she's certainly read george orwell's 'animal farm' but couldn't remember the famous line 'Not All Animals Are Equal'.....such poor memory

I am afraid yours is the poor memory. The line in Animal Farm is "All animals are equal but some are more equal than others" modified from simply "All animals are equal" after the pigs took over.

THE ROLES OF A MAN, WOULD NEVER BE THE SAME AS THAT OF THE WOMAN,GOD never created them and their roles to ever be the same.In d beginin,GOD specifically told them what and who to be pls,any attempt to want to make man and woman the same in any thing,tru any attempt ,via any language or using any kind of sentiment shall be considered as a sin before man and before God.(If any person quote me silly, that person shall get my wrath!)

Tallesty1: Stop telling yourself lies dear.


You are not better than anybody.

Yes I am. My Daddy told me I'm superior to any man . And thats the truth!

cococandy: You've run away now that your ignorance has been exposed?
Ok
Catch you next time. If I have the time.

'Feminism started 50 yrs ago'
Ignorant joke of the century.

i left on page 4 and page 4 was yesterday, friday. I had to report even though, i had nothing to do all through yesterday. That gave me some time to spend on NL. I don't have that privilage all the time.

As for the Feminism i said started 50years ago, i still stand by my word with all confidence. Feminism as an ideology has only being around for only about 50years. The fact i said we are in the 3rd wave of it should tell you that i know about your own ideology.

Btw, i am no feminist hater. I am only against the excesses of it as well as the their thinking that they know it all and have the monopoly to bully others who do no agree with them. I am here to stop the indoctrination of young girls and boys as well a wrong education of the boy child on his personality, sexuality, psychology and his place in the universe. I am doing this in a world where saying or believing something contrary to misandrist mantra, is seen as backward and uncivilized hence, their hostility towards you. They are so quick to remind you that "this is 21st century".

Daresh:

Yes I am. My Daddy told me I'm superior to any man . And thats the truth!

Including him



You are just funny

craziebone:

what about gender profiling and the disposability of men we have been seeing all through history?

Though, I'm not in to your points (maybe I need some explanation) but I think women(feminists in particular) are not grateful. Why didn't they fight for equality at approximately 3600 years after the great flood of Noah? Why didn't they fight for equality when men lost their dear lives just to defend their flat bottom and children? Why didn't they fight when we defended them from wild animals and when we risked our lives to bring wild meat, just for them to eat? He who plays the piper dictates the tune. Some men come to this thread to display their stupidity and share ignorance. The difference btw male and female is clearly visible for the blind to see. The guy asked me why I said women are naturally submissive provided external influence are rendered constant. Even Aristotle shared my critical view when he said men derive pleasure in commanding and women in obeying.
Whether you like it or not, feminism's main source of power is from powerful men and organizations like Rockefeller,who want to destroy families, promotes lesbianism,promotes misandry and tends to reduce population through unlimited abortions and women not finding joy in procreation, sexism and unwarranted cases of sexism e.g. He is a sexist because he said I am fat . And chivalry, which is a natural deposition of men to women is forever lost. All we need is HUMAN RIGHTS ENFORCEMENT.
Point to one animal in the bush that practice equality and I will give up my course, tell me a genuinely happy feminist and I will give up my course. Like Dick Masterson said: Women don't recognize oppression, even if it passes in front of them. No one should cover the truth, a lot of things are at stake when you want to move the rigid rock of nature.
Equality is not in the natural order of things, and the crusade to make everyone equal in every respect (except before the law) is certain to have disastrous consequences.—Murray Rothbard

Tallesty1: Including him



You are just funny

Yes including him. He told me " Women are the beauty of the world, men are dirt"

"You are smarter than any man" and I have to agree with him, all the guys I went to school with are just dumb. Of all my many friends, the women are the ones who impress me with their business acumen. FYI I don't hang with dumb money begging females. All the Harvard grads I know personally are females. Most of my clients are females.

LordReed:

No it shouldn't but we are talking about stereotypes so we should expect women to go out and seek for jobs in those places that were considered "a man's job". How many women would rather carry bricks than choose the "easier" option of prostituting? All those "runs girls" don't see where they are building houses?

BTW I have never in Nigeria seen where a woman is paid less than a man for the same job, have you?

Otherwise they deserve no political and civil rights, right??