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|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by huxley(m): 6:49pm On Nov 17, 2008|
Why waste time/space saying all this crap. None of your input thus far become that if a "skilled" professional. Skilled in what? Blind obedience?
What the hell is this? Explain yourself with your arguments, not with "rank". That (rank) is the last refuge of the coward.
I asked you whether it was wrong for these claims to be investigated and you evaded, brandishing your "rank". C'mon, use you mind for one.
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by Sauron1: 6:51pm On Nov 17, 2008|
This is a complete twaddle from a good-for nothing alarmist!!!
In other words, Pastor Chris Oyakhilome is a fraud and all the miracles he has performed were arranged??
Tell that to the birds. . . . . . .Letz even assume those miracles were dodgy, who are you to question it?
Are u God or someone seeking attention by bashing a minister of God??
Buncha jobless twits.
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by hubreality(m): 6:52pm On Nov 17, 2008|
Accuser of the brethren, go ahead. What you sow is what you will reap. God bless you all. I have more useful things to attend to. Always try to impact love, faith and hope to your audience.
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by Pennywise(m): 9:46am On Nov 18, 2008|
donnie:My dear skilled proffessional I don't see how your intervention here like those of many before you has helped Christ embassy. It has only diminished that gathering in the eyes of objective thinkers from what we have been told on this thread.Rather than address the issues you digressed completely off track and conveniently sought refuge in your spirit talk.
I am not at war with CE.I get inspired watching the big time American ministers on TBN. I don't see why their success cannot be replicated here in Nigeria.They just don't need to falsify or stage manage miracles. Idahosa did that for a long time, but in the end he dumped it. His ministry grew even more thereafter.If anything stage managed miracles offends the senses.
These observations will help CE as a ministry if they will learn from it and stop the charade.
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by SirJohn(m): 4:56pm On Nov 18, 2008|
Be it known unto you that the purpose of this thread is to expose the falsehood going on at the Christ Embassy healing school. It has nothing to do with efficacy of Gods power; I do believe in miracles, however not the type Pastor Chris would have us believe he performs. The Healing School of CE does not represent Gods power on earth therefore exposing its falsehood does not equal denying Gods power.
How has the miracles in the Healing school stood the test of time if I may ask? the last time I checked, CE miracles have been the most controversial of any ministry I have come to know. The so called healed are hidden from external press, taking photograph in CE crusades and meetings are forbidden, there are no substantial documented proof of any miracles. how does all this translate to 'standing the test of time'?
You did say that you have worked as a volunteer at the healing school, right? kindly answer these questions:
Are you a healing school staff?
Are you a pastor?
Are you an outreach fellowship coordinator?
Are you a deacon?
Are you a member of 'The Haven'?
If the answer to these questions is 'NO', then you were nothing more than one of the several stooges they use as ushers in the healing school who are unaware of the goings on there. I'm sure you were just a nobody there unless you are one of the names I mentioned in one of my posts as the major conspirators.
Yes I have seen dignitaries at the healing school; one Chief Michael Ibr* husband to Mrs Cecilia Ibr* who is sick of Parkinson's Disease was at the May session of the healing school. He spent 4 weeks there and was not any better. His status earned him 'ticket' to the healing line, he was ministered to by Pastor Chris, left the healing school in the same condition (if not worse) and is currently back to his medical treatment. Now hows that for a great miracle?
I laughed when read what you said about the wheelchairs in the healing school. This is what I have to say to that:
On day one (orientation Day) of the Healing Healing school May session, Pastor Deola who is the director of the Healing School claimed that the healing school had lots of abandoned wheelchairs from people who were healed and didn't need them anymore. well, in all 4 weeks in the Healing, I didn't see a single wheelchair owned by the healing school, instead they kept taking wheelchairs from students whenever they needed any. Please take time to read my initial posts, I have said all this before.
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by Gamine(f): 7:12pm On Nov 18, 2008|
Apart from the fact that i know someone who Died after being healed of Cancer
by Pastor Chris, the person even threw a Thanksgiving party and all, leaving behind now, young children
I will be more inclined to believe what Sir John is saying
Because what he has presented, he has done it well
While Hubreality, Pepeye and the Skilled Professional, Donnie
Who cant construct Sentences to save his life, have presented their cases
in an appalling way, akin to Defenders of Pastor Chris
I just pray that they see the Reality soon enough to save their necks and everyone else they can
The name Christian is already in the Sewer, dont know if i still want to be called that.
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by hubreality(m): 8:10pm On Nov 18, 2008|
Sir John, will you be in IPPC 2008? I will prefer your prayers to these horrible critics in this thread. Are you a believer filled with the Spirit that raised Jesus from death? Then walk in Love and Faith. If God advocates His word through Pastor Chris, who am I to defend him or CEC.
Anyway it's a choice. Mark this day, time will tell.
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by SirJohn(m): 8:49pm On Nov 18, 2008|
hubreality:My dear, CEC brethren are my brethren, they have been my brethren for the past five years. however, the truth has to be told. My efforts to bring this issue to the top hierarchy has been met with strong resistance. Nobody was bold to take the step with me even when they were convinced about the issue.
I know that someday Pastor Chris will be humbled to respond to these truths that have constantly been brought to his face.
The same thing happened and is still happening to Pastor Benny Hinn; he has been forced several times to respond to sit down interviews in which he has apologized for wrong actions, statements, prophecies, false miracle claims etc
I agree with you, time will surely tell
Yes I will be in IPPC 2008, at least I qualified
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by DavidDylan(m): 9:01pm On Nov 18, 2008|
you are in serious need of a total WORD check. This flippant use of "christianese" to avoid having to confront ugly truths is despicable.
If you are TRULY a believer filled with the Spirit that raised Jesus from the dead then you shld have read this -
1 Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world
Fraud is not the way God "advocates" his Word . . . and i'm sure you're aware that "miracles" are not the true test of God's backing of a ministry. Pharaoh's servants could perform magic too.
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by s4d(m): 11:50am On Nov 19, 2008|
wether d man na fake or real na una sabi
them say 'no be everything wey eye see na him mouth go talk"
make una let sleeping dog sleep now,haba!
na only GOD go judge abeg
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by peeceelove(m): 12:55pm On Nov 19, 2008|
let all those that are in support of Pastor Chris' Public stunt continue to Believe, only time will tell if all he does is true or not. some time in 1986 One pastor Peter popoff was caught in public with his own faith healing stunt, where is he today http://www.apologeticsindex.org/487-peter-popoff. so guys there is no need arguing with any CEC member, Let us wait and see. I ve my own story with CEC, the case is still in court till today, it was a popular case i dont want to mention any name now i am very angry cos we paid through our nose for it, no car,no house nothing i mean NOTHING, but a resonable amonut went to the churches activities. i stop here
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by KunleOshob(m): 1:17pm On Nov 19, 2008|
Quite an interesting link + video you referred us to. The truth is glaring, the evidence is overwhelming but some people would always fall prey to these scammers. That is why 419 is still thriving in Nigeria today. People are just too gullible.
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by DavidDylan(m): 3:14pm On Nov 19, 2008|
He's back with a big church in Atlanta i think and is back on the air with BET network. Still saw him on TV this morning, peddling miracle manna.
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by KunleOshob(m): 3:30pm On Nov 19, 2008|
DavidDylan:Why won't he be back, muguns are never in short supply they abound even on Nairaland.
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by hubreality(m): 5:55pm On Nov 19, 2008|
I do not agree with you(Poster) that those miracles were stage managed. Look, I repeat, this thread is inspired by the devil, you have made several false claims. Pastor Chris has prsonally responded to press men in 2005 when the entire PFN were very hot on him about his association with Prophet T.B Joshua and all their claims which couldn't stand the test of time due to their false foundations respectively. Anyway, it may interest you to check out this press interview with Pastor Chris in that regard:
Infact, he did observe that all these false allegations are bunch of distractions. A man of God I do respect in the person of Bishop David Oyedepo said " If you mind your opposition, you lose your position." The working of Miracles are no big deal to one with faith, the Word Power and the Name of Jesus.
I have personally benefited a lot Spiritually learning under his teachings. I became a member of Christ Embassy eight months after watching his teachings on LoveWord Christian Network three years ago. Atleast, he does not use similar mediums other miniters use like; Olive oil(Anointing oil), Holy Water, Hanky etc. Just the greater exploration on the Word Power. Boy, forget Na envy, strife, hate and unbelief dey at work in you. Lay them aside, because it will not stand the test of time but will only make people see whom you're with time despite you're sayings and writeups, but exactly what you're made up in your heart.
Very interesting! Miracles are taking place everywhere the Word of God is preached and demonstrated with the Power of the Holy Ghost. It's not just a history book, but the Power of God unto salvation to them that believe! Hallelujah!!!
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by Pepeye(f): 8:34pm On Nov 19, 2008|
Basically the healing ministry has always faced serious persecutions and if you ‘re involved in it u better be ready to catch some flak!
From people who profess to know God, the Pharisees and sadducees didn’t criticize themselves; they criticized Jesus because of His miracles. They got envious of Him and tried to discredit Him. Apparently it’s the same old story
Suffice it to say people criticize because they don’t understand the healing ministry or the Power of God
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by Pepeye(f): 8:40pm On Nov 19, 2008|
The worth of a man is measured by the greatness of his adversaries. You measure a man’s importance by the power of his resistance; however the man that God will use will definitely collide with powerful forces becos the message in his mouth will be resisted
The prophets of old were seriously persecuted, the apostles were striped Unclad, flogged and stoned, some were even killed, but they rejoiced in all these becos they made God’s Word effective and obeyed His voice
The Lord Jesus Christ was also rejected and wasn’t received by His own, so goes to the great men of God.
Heb 6:12 “followers of them who thru faith and patience inherit the promises”
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by Pepeye(f): 8:59pm On Nov 19, 2008|
The pure in heart is the one who sees God in everything. He lives on the positive side of life. Believes the best of everyone and everything he sees not engrossed in negative sides, doesn’t have a warped sense of thinking not engulfed with bitterness nor prone to casting aspersions
The one who isn’t pure in heart however, is “Mr Suspicious”, he sees things from the negative perspective and is a perpetual fault finder such folks always have something negative to say about others becos they don’t look at them with the eyes of the Spirit; they don’t see them thru God’s eyes
They’re so well versed in casting stones; always compounding issues. They live in acute sense of unbelief
That’s unlike the bro who is pure in heart; he looks at people from the perspective of the spirit and sees God in them. Inother words sees the beauty of God in them
matt 5:8 “Blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God”
They act like Jesus who didn’t condemn the woman caught in the act of adultery (John 8:3-11) albeit Jesus didn’t agree with the woman’s lifestyle but he saw the good in her.
See the God- side of life always, for that’s the way Jesus is!
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by mazaje(m): 9:04pm On Nov 19, 2008|
"The problem with religion, because it's been sheltered from criticism, is that it allows people to believe en mass what only idiots or lunatics could believe in isolation."
— Sam Harris
if pastor chris miracles are real why is he not on CNN, BBC, Fox news or one of the major broadcast networks of our time performing and healing people live on air? why are medical break through research unvield on the networks and not the incredible miracles of pastor chris? i guess we all know the answers don't we?
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by AKO1(m): 9:06pm On Nov 19, 2008|
Pepeye, I'd like us to analyze that statement, howbeit from a broader point of view that is not limited to Pastor Chris alone.
Would you have said this to the people who rightly (we know this with the benefit of hind sight) criticized Peter Popoff in his healing ministry? Remember we are leaving Pastor Chris out of this sub-discussion.
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by Pepeye(f): 9:26pm On Nov 19, 2008|
You may have been attending church services religiously, but the truth is religion won’t save you, you sure were a mixed multitude in our midst who rejected manna
There re those who think the days of miracles are over and they tell people the same, destroying any hope they might have in Christ
Without mincing words the bible says Jesus is the same yesterday today and forever. Why would you think Jesus cannot do the same miracle he did several years ago?
Sad to know that some people want to see Jesus Christ on the street face to face doing miracles before they believe, but don't forget that He made a promise before He left that He will send us a comforter (Holy Spirit) and has actually done that.
People use such vehement 'miracles are fake" lines only as a defense mechanism for their lack of knowledge
When your life is dominated by your experiences, assumptions or human opinions’, you ‘ll never see God in the light of His Word; you will only interpret Him in the light of your experiences
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by DavidDylan(m): 9:31pm On Nov 19, 2008|
Aunty pepeye, you need to read your bible.
they didnt criticize Jesus because of "miracles" . . . the pharisees were well accustomed to miracles from the times of Joshua, Moses, Elijah, Elisha . . . rather they accused Jesus of - blasphemy (making Himself equal with God).
Where they EVER "criticized Jesus for miracles it was for performing them on the sabbath day.
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by DavidDylan(m): 9:37pm On Nov 19, 2008|
Aunty pepeye, you need to read your bible.
- That is psychology and is not found anywhere in your bible.
- The bible says "not of him that willeth nor of him that runneth but God showeth mercy". How then is the measure of a man's importance determined by the power of his resistance? What of brother Stephen who was stoned to death? What of brother James who was beheaded for the gospel's sake? Where they men of unimportance because they had little resistance?
Elijah fled from Jezebel . . . was he unimportant?
Your "pastor" is not being persecuted because of Christ, he is being rightfully exposed for being a wolf misleading the flock. By their fruits ye shall know them.
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by Pepeye(f): 9:40pm On Nov 19, 2008|
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Far be it from me to criticize, make any form of analytic judgment on any man or children of God, I leave that for the accuser of the brethren; that’s his work lol
That’s what I call spiritual wisdom sorry to disappoint you
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by DavidDylan(m): 9:42pm On Nov 19, 2008|
Aunty pepeye, you need to read your bible.
1. The bible is not psychology . . . christians are supposed to be Christ-like not live on the positive side of life. For we are in this world but NOT OF this world.
2. A christian is not to "believe the best of everyone", if not Christ would not have called the pharisees a generation of vipers neither would he have told us to try every spirit.
Speaking against iniquity, just like John the Baptist did is not equivalent to unbelief. We indeed believe the bible, we just dont believe your pastor represents Christ.
God looked at the heart of David's brothers . . . He didnt see inner beauty in their.
The woman caught in adultery confessed her sin and was repentant . . . for indeed the bible says ONLY THOSE can find mercy. Those who perpetuate lies against the Holy Ghost while hiding under "touch not my anointed" are not covered under your mountain of incomprehensible distortion of the bible.
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by DavidDylan(m): 9:45pm On Nov 19, 2008|
Aunty pepeye, you need to read your bible.
Aunty pepeye, you have not been studying. The job of the body of Christ is to be vigilant and watchful. Was Brother Paul an accuser of the brethren when he criticized Peter? Was he an accuser of the brethren when he reprimanded John Mark? Was he an accuser of the brethren when he turned over hymeneuas to the devil for heresy?
Was Peter an accuser of the brethren when he rightly judged Ananias and Saphira for lying against the Holy Ghost?
Sorry ma, you have not exhibited "spiritual wisdom" but carnal knowledge cloaked in religious hypocrisy.
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by DavidDylan(m): 9:48pm On Nov 19, 2008|
Aunty pepeye, let me remind you again for the 10th time. The issue is not unbelief in miracles, we believe that Christ still heals today . . . the problem is simple - Are the "miracles" in your church staged?
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by Pepeye(f): 10:05pm On Nov 19, 2008|
Whats your purpose of living? Whats that thing that you ve set your mind upon to accomplish?
To expose my Pastor?
Lack of purpose in life has led to frustration in many lives
Beyond all this, Pastor Chris journey in life has been in one direction only;
Upward and Forward
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by DavidDylan(m): 10:30pm On Nov 19, 2008|
Samuel looked at Eliab and said - surely the Lord's anointed is before me . . . you know the rest of the story . . . for the Lord had rejected him.
The bible says - by their fruits ye shall know them. When secrecy and suspicion becomes the haven of "miracles" then Christ is no longer there. It has nothing to do with my life's focus.
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by Pepeye(f): 10:51pm On Nov 19, 2008|
When your heart is dominated by your senses, it will be difficult to see the visions of God as you search the scriptures. This is why someone may have read the whole bible,
without understanding a thing
Attend church services without being affected by the word of God; he’s not inspired in anyway; no motivation whatsoever, Just becos he didn’t see anything
Spiritual wisdom is not evident in their lives becos they lack understanding of Spiritual things (1Corin 3-1)
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by DavidDylan(m): 11:10pm On Nov 19, 2008|
this is nothing but religious gymnastics that profit little. Are the "miracles" at CEC staged or not?
|Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by Pepeye(f): 11:39pm On Nov 19, 2008|
They aren’t staged. I equally do the miracles myself.yeah! I lay hands on the sick and they recover. You can’t stay long enough with Pastor and don’t get a rub off of that anointing, I ‘m not only the recipient of the miracles’ I do it !!
Mark 16:17-18 TLB “And those who believe, will be able to place their hands on the sick and heal them”
Thank God for the auction of the Spirit, I do not know how it feels to be sick anymore, those are one of the numerous rights we have in Christ Isaiah 33-24 And the inhabitant will not say “I am sick”
If you’re a product of Pastor Chris, you ll know you aren’t ordinary, there is something about our hands, your hands aren’t just for holding and carrying things …God made them to transmit His Power.
Pastor teaches us to do it yourself, we do not wait for him nor any man so Its not only Pastor Chris who does the miracle, a thousand times no, we all are, every true CEC member lives in the miraculous , we operate in the supernatural
We have divine abilities working in us…I’m not talking about Teknons in the house but the Huios of God, we lay hands on the sick and they recover
That’s the kind of life He’s called us to live, Remember the words of Jesus “ ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you (acts 1- that power is the dynamic ability to cause changes
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