italo:
I should be asking you.

Since Christ has atoned for their sins, why did Peter have to preach to them?

PastorOluT:


Smile, now I know u are dumb for sure for surely I use to give u reasonable doubt before.

U quote a scripture out of context n the only one u see to back up ur lame claim. In what context was Paul saying that, u use a verse out of context to negate all Jesus said? I pity u sincerely.

What does John 3:16- 17; 17:1 n a whole lot mean to u?

I will be back to quote all those scriptures not for u 'cos u case is done bt for others on this thread.

Bobbysworld28:


Y are you always this childish? It is obvious u r wired wrongly.

Bobbysworld28:


Y are you always this childish? It is obvious u r wired wrongly.

dein77:


Obviously, you either don't understand the mystery of redemption or you're simply being sarcastic.

The death and resurrection of Christ paved the way for our salvation, but faith in Him is required if we must enjoy this redemption. These are issues that are taught in the first few days after conversion.

Cornelius was accepted in the beloved due to the finished work of Christ on the cross. Peter had to show him the way of faith so he could appropriate his redemption blessings.

Have a great service today. It's being nice talking with you. Our ultimate purpose is to be prepared for His eventually return.

Shalom.

PastorKun:


What has these questions got to do with the question asked you As I said earlier if you are referring to the recent scandals of Orisejafor, oyakhilome and Tb joshua, I condemn their acts in all it's entirety and I have no regard for these charlatans so stop asking me to define their deceitful acts.

Now can you kindly define Idolatory and stop evading the question.

italo:
I understand the mystery of redemption more than you.

I agree with practically all you said, except that, not just faith is needed for salvation but FAITH AND GOOD WORKS...as attested to by countless passages in the Bible.

Do you agree?

Yes or no?

Goshen360:


We do NOT take sides with sin neither do we support sinful acts but you know sin comes in different forms.....in thought, acts and words. So the fact that a man doesn't committ sin in act doesn't mean he don't committ it in thought or words.

These holiness preachers see sin virtually in everything a christian does. They teach and carry sin consciousness everywhere rather than teaching and carrying Christ righteousness everywhere.

What we're asking YOU to do is show us where HOLINESS means\or equal to SINLESSNESS.....if you are part of the "holiness" movement.

PastorOluT:


Smile, now I know u are dumb for sure for surely I use to give u reasonable doubt before.

U quote a scripture out of context n the only one u see to back up ur lame claim. In what context was Paul saying that, u use a verse out of context to negate all Jesus said? I pity u sincerely.

What does John 3:16- 17; 17:1 n a whole lot mean to u?

I will be back to quote all those scriptures not for u 'cos u case is done bt for others on this thread.

italo:


ad hominem.

Dont attack my person simply because you can't face up to my argument.

Bobbysworld28:


You are the one attacking people wrongly. I am only making an observation!

italo:
Now you're saying it wasn't the Holy Spirit that inspired Romans 2?

Ehn, pastor olodo?!

And you still are too dishonest to answer whether believers who do bad are heaven-bound while non-believers who are good are hell-bound!


My brother, anyone that deliberately makes a practice is not a Christian. If they don't repent and walk in holiness, then they are bound for hell.

Non-believers who do good can't make it to heaven, because at best, their good works are as filthy as rags. Except a man be born again, he CANNOT see the Kingdom of God. Jn 3.3.

dein77:


I vehemently disagree.

For by grace are ye saved through faith: and thatnot of yyourselves: it is the gift of God.
Not of WORKS lest any man should boast. Ephe 2:8-9.

Being justified by FAITH, we have peace with God through Jesus Christ. Rom 5.1.

It is the good works we do after faith that are acceptable unto God, not before.

You can't work with a company till you are gainfully employed by it. Faith is the ID card with which you can pass through the company's gate and get access. Thereafter, your works can be appraised by the company.

In closing, tell me the good works done by the thief on the Cross that granted him paradise!

If this brief explanation isn't clear to you, then there's nothing anyone else or I can do about your opinion.

italo:
Face the argument...forget me.

Bobbysworld28:



Whats ur argument? U have been neither here nor there. Please, let us hear you out.

italo:
That's the problem. You haven't been reading.

Once you saw the moniker "italo," you set out to attack my person.

Face the argument...forget me.

Bobbysworld28:


I dont even knw u, italo. U were rambling abt private jet and pastors in an unco-ordinated manner.
If it seems I have come after you, then it means u planted a bulls-eye on ur back.
I want you to summarize what ur issues are so that we can all learn along with u

italo:
Now you're saying it wasn't the Holy Spirit that inspired Romans 2?

Ehn, pastor olodo?!

And you still are too dishonest to answer whether believers who do bad are heaven-bound while non-believers who are good are hell-bound!

PastorOluT:


Smile, now I know u are dumb for sure for surely I use to give u reasonable doubt before.

U quote a scripture out of context n the only one u see to back up ur lame claim. In what context was Paul saying that, u use a verse out of context to negate all Jesus said? I pity u sincerely.

What does John 3:16- 17; 17:1 n a whole lot mean to u?

I will be back to quote all those scriptures not for u 'cos u case is done bt for others on this thread.

italo:


We are saved by grace. Yes.

We are saved by grace through faith. Yes.

However, we are not saved by grace through FAITH ALONE...but by FAITH WORKING through LOVE. (FAITH and GOD WORKS).

You disagree?

italo:


if you will not define "adultery" "invisible bomb" and "money laundering, "...

I will not define idolatry.

I don't know why you're mentioning names.

italo:
Prayer is a good work...and the good thief prayed. It was all he had the opportunity to do on the cross.

God doesn't judge a person unfairly. His ordinary way of saving is through Christ but he wont send a good Bhuddist who never heard of Christ to hell just because hes not a Christian. God is not like you pentecostals.

I believe all the verses you quoted. They dont contradict my view. I believe we are saved by grace through faith. But nowhere do the verses say we are saved through faith alone.

Now that I have answered you, can you answer these?

1. If you have faith, and no works, can that faith save you?

2. If you have so much faith that you perform miracles in Jesus' name, can you go to hell?

3. If you believe Jesus is Lord but do not do good to your neighbour, can you enter heaven?

4. A person is justified by WORKS, not by FAITH ALONE. Yes or No?

Simpsonrocket:
Always remember that any Christian who believes in Christ Jesus but does not fulfill the ten commandment is HELL BOUND. Rom 3v31 says: "Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary we establish the law". Also, Rom 6v15 says: "What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!

dein77:



Those who have the indwelling Holy Spirit CANNOT deliberately make a practice of sin.
Those who are led by the Holy Spirit do not only keep the physical law, they also keep the spiritual law. The spiritual law is higher than the physical law.
The physical law, for instance, only condemns the physical act of adultery; it cannot condemn the thought of adultery.
However, the spiritual law even forbids the thought of adultery.
The spiritual life is a higher life; higher than the mosaic or physical law.

dein77:





Bro, Ephesians 2 : 8-9 is your answer. It's fruitless arguing over what's crystal clear.

italo:
Amen. I believe Ephesians 2:8,9. It doesn't say we are saved through faith ALONE.

Now can you answer my questions or has it got to that time when the Pharisees bolt away looking stupid and confounded?

1. If you have faith, and no works, can that faith save you?

2. If you have so much faith that you perform miracles in Jesus' name, can you go to hell?

3. If you believe Jesus is Lord but do not do good to your neighbour, can you enter heaven?

4. A person is justified by WORKS, not by FAITH ALONE. Yes or No?

Bobbysworld28:
We are not justified by good works. It nullifies grace. However, when u hv been regenerated, it is in ur nature to do good works.
Good works are an offshoot of the life within.

If however an unregenerated man does good works, a way of salvation is provided for him (see d man Peter was sent to after Peter's vision of unclean animals). If d man accepts the gospel, fine! If not, he does not have salvation.