italo:


I am already learning from you.

I am learning that you are many protestants hypocritically cling to lies so that they can practise their own customized christianity in which there is no sacrifice, only benefits.

The Holy Spirit says "a man is justified by works, not by faith alone." Learn from him, even if you dislike me or the Catholic Church.

I know that the next thing you will be looking for is not how to humble yourself and accept the truth, but another way to twist the truth to fit into your lie.

Dominus vobiscum.

italo:
There is no dilemma.

Nobody here said we are saved by works.

The Catholic Church says we are saved by the grace of God but faith and works are our necessary response.

Both passages fit well into that doctrine but your false doctrine contradicts James 2:24.

Bobbysworld28:



rom4.21-24.kjv And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform. And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;


The above did not come by the inspiration of satan. There is an article I will share with u.
No one is fighting with u, but u always seem at war within urself. This constantly shows up in ur writings.
Be dt as it may, u will still be schooled properly

shdemidemi:


When I say a thing and end with a 'but', It means what I said earlier can be discarded all together.

E.g 'she is beautiful but ... '. The listener can as well discard that beautiful and draw a conclusion from the statement that follows the 'but'.


If your Catholic Church says we are saved by grace, why come up with a 'but'. When you add the 'but' only to include works, can we still regard the first statement that says 'The Catholic Church says we are saved by the grace of God ' as a valid statement?

What spirit inspired Paul when he said- Romans 11:6

And if it is by grace, it is no longer by works, otherwise grace would no longer be grace

Going by this scripture, can the Catholic Church say salvation is by grace (meaning a gift from God) but works is yet a requisite to the same salvation that was said to be a gift?

italo:


Abraham was saved by the grace of God. Yet he had to be justified by his works.

italo:

The sheep in Matt 25:31-46 were saved by the grace of God. Yet they had to respond to that grace by doing good to neighbour.

It was the Holy Spirit that said these things.

Why do you disregard him?

shdemidemi:


Genesis 15

6 Abram believed the Lord, and the Lord considered his response of faith as proof of genuine loyalty. NET

6 And he believed in the Lord; and he counted it to him for righteousness. KJV

Abraham was not made righteous/justified because he worked but because he believed. When you understand this bit, it will be easier to understand who this particular James is (he is the step brother of Jesus), to whom he was speaking to and the conditions surrounding what he said.

Under a legalistic system/ temple worship James was perfectly in tune with God concerning the message to the scattered jews but under the gospel of liberty in Christ where God takes up the work to make a believer will and do, Paul's message remains relevant to the church(mix multitude, jews and gentiles but one body) as we have it today.



Were they even speaking of or about grace in the verses you quoted? There was a place for works in the old testament before the death of Christ and a place for grace after His death. The grace dispensation ends at rapture and we will have the era of the Great tribulation which will demand works from those who shall be saved. The two, grace and works can never mix.

italo:


Keep fooling yourself.

The Bible clearly says a man is justified by his works, not faith alone.

Matt 25:31-46 clearly shows that people are entering heaven because they did good to their neighbour.

But you are hell-bent on your heresy.

Bidam:
kai! na wa for you o..works are for rewards not for salvation.why are u contradicting paul and the holy spirit?

Bidam:
kai! na wa for you o..works are for rewards not for salvation.why are u contradicting paul and the holy spirit?

italo:
There is no dilemma.

Nobody here said we are saved by works.

The Catholic Church says we are saved by the grace of God, faith and works are our necessary response.

Both passages fit well into that doctrine but your false doctrine contradicts James 2:24.

vest:

What Is The Reward For Bad Works Nd For Good Works

Remember Bad Works=sin
Therefore If My Good Works Can Nt Save Me Then My Bad Works Should Also Nt Dame Me.

shdemidemi:

If your Catholic Church says we are saved by grace, why come up with a 'but'. When you add the 'but' only to include works, can we still regard the first statement that says 'The Catholic Church says we are saved by the grace of God ' as a valid statement?

What spirit inspired Paul when he said- Romans 11:6

And if it is by grace, it is no longer by works, otherwise grace would no longer be grace

Going by this scripture, can the Catholic Church say salvation is by grace (meaning a gift from God) but works is yet a requisite to the same salvation that was said to be a gift?

Bidam:
kai! na wa for you o..works are for rewards not for salvation.why are u contradicting paul and the holy spirit?

dein77:



U go talk tire. Stronger mouths have, in wisdom, left the scene of argument.

vest:

Work Of Laws e.g Circumsition is different from works of grace

the works paul is talkn abt dire is the works of laws which can nt save

Bidam:
Christ is in us as believers.Christ is the vine. Can a good tree produce bad fruits?

shdemidemi:


What do you mean by works of grace?

italo:


You left when I proved you were contradicting the bible.

You said a man is not justified by works.

God says a man is justified by works. (James 2:24)

shdemidemi:


What do you mean by works of grace?

dein77:



Yes. You won.

vest:
Brother Its Nt Abt Who Loss Or Wins

If U Say My Works Are Nt Important For My Salvation It Means I Dnt Nid To Do Anytin Good Or Bad Cus Nt Doing Good Work Is Doing Bad Work

dein77:


Believe me, I'm not ready to enter into another round of futile arguments.
Shalom!

vest:


The Fact Dat An Orange Tree Produces A Bad Friut Dosen't Mean It's Not An Orange Tree.

My Quesion Is Why Wil A Man's Work Be Tested As Paul Said If It Is Nt Necessary?

vest:
Why Shuld I Work Out My Faith In Fear Nd Trembling If Once I Bliv In Him Oly Am Saved?

vest:

Work Of Grace Is The Good Works Of Chirst We Do Inspired By The Holy Spirit Nt because God Owe Us Anytin Bt Simply Our Repons To His Grace

Faith Alone=heresy

Works Alone=heresy

Faith And Works In Christ Jesus=truth

Christ Dies So Our Good Works, Our Sufferings(sacrifice)Could Be Salvic

italo:


Why did the sheep in Matt 25:31-46 enter heaven?

vest:

yes christ is in us to inspire us to do good bt we can stil choose nt to.

the quesion shuld b can a good orange tree produce bad fruit
Ans:no
Can A Bad Orange Tree Produce Good Fruit
Ans:no

The Fact Dat An Orange Tree Produces A Bad Friut Dosen't Mean It's Not An Orange Tree.

My Quesion Is Why Wil A Man's Work Be Tested As Paul Said If It Is Nt Necessary?

Why Shuld I Work Out My Faith In Fear Nd Trembling If Once I Bliv In Him Oly Am Saved?

Bidam:
Believers are saved unto good works. They are not saved because of good works. Read vv46..it says the righteous to eternal life. Once a believer accepts the gift of salvation which is free, he has eternal life and it comes naturally for him to do good especially to those of the household of faith.

dein77:




Bro, u go talk tire. ....

Bidam:
Believers are saved unto good works. They are not saved because of good works. Read vv46..it says the righteous to eternal life. Once a believer accepts the gift of salvation which is free, he has eternal life and it comes naturally for him to do good especially to those of the household of faith.

dein77:



Yes. You won.

italo:


Like a true protestant hypocrite, you avoided the question:

Why did the sheep in Matt 25:31-46 go to heaven and the goats to hell?