Maamin:


So what is your aimless point? What is the name of the God referred to in that verse (Act 20:28)?

Maamin:


Stop lying!

Stop being deceitful..here are the verses again.

(John 10:17-18) " 17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Matt.28:18 "18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth."

-So who gave him the power and command?
The father is the one responsible for that power ok!

Hiswordxray:

The one and only true God.

Hiswordxray:

Yes the Father sent him but he took his life back from death which means Jesus raised himself from death, yes or no?

Maamin:


I said name...[size=19pt]NAME[/size]

Maamin:


John 5:25-27

"25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man."

Hiswordxray:

People call Him by different name but He is the one and only true God.

johnw74:

riko:


Or somethinh like that I said,
it was thirty or fourty years ago.
you should be honest with your quoting.

riko:


Thirty or fourty years ago jw's were saying that a few holy ones were all that were left then and they were very old and so the kingdom is very near.
Those few still alive today must be 130 years or older.



And that is exactly what you do.



They think they know you, and they falsely accuse
and they say you lie, when what you say is true.


Tit 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Do you see that the Great God is our Saviour Jesus Christ.

Hiswordxray:

People call Him by different name but He is the one and only true God.

RikoduoSennin:


Only true God is not a NAME; its a title.

Even dogs and cats have names why won't Almighty God.

CANTICLES:

According to ur statement above

WHOM did Jesus called the only true God ?

Whom did the only true God sent to the World ?

Hiswordxray:

People call Him by different name but He is the one and only true God.

Hiswordxray:

Yes the Father sent him but he took his life back from death which means Jesus raised himself from death, yes or no?

Hiswordxray:

Jesus called the one and only true God "I AM"

"Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” (John 8:58).

RikoduoSennin:


Yet the writer of that book also says That 'Great' God (as you claimed) has his own personal more superior God he worships.- Ephesians 1:3 "Blessed be THE GOD AND FATHER OF OUR LORD JESUS...."

Hehehe, your great God has a God he answers to!

Hiswordxray:

Jesus and Yahweh raised Jesus from the death.

Maamin:


What is this?

This 'I AM' that Jesus called the one and only true God, who did this 'I AM' sent to the world?

Maamin:


Stop dancing around..you are avoiding my question. You know the truth but your pride wont let you admit it.

Simple question 'I said what is his name...the NAME as written in the bible?

Hiswordxray:

As you can see in that verse (John 8:58) I AM sent I AM to the world.

RikoduoSennin:


John 8:58 "Before Abraham was, I am"

Please think deeply on that scripture, because I don't think it means what you are trying to make it mean.

The context show the pharisee debating how "young" Jesus could have seen Abraham hence Jesus statement indicate that He was existing before Abraham (he pre-dates Abraham) NOT DECLARING HIMSELF AS "I AM"

NB: The above phrase from John 8:58 is together and should be understood together. Can it be translated "Before Abraham was, YHWH? (equivalent of 'I AM') NO, is the answer.

Don't apply additional meaning to where there is none.

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If 'I AM' sent 'I AM' (YHWH sent YHWH) then the writers of the bible and by extension the author is not wise: since everyone knows 'one can not send his own self an errand'.

Hiswordxray:

Before you start accusing me of adding meaning to a verse, let me quote that verse directly from the New King James Version:
"Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
Now can you see the the "I AM" is written in capital letters?

CAPTIVATOR:


STOP this heresy

Woman: who is at the door ?

Me : I AM

So since have answred with the english word " I AM" it means I am God himself ?


Listen to rikoduosennin , the discussion is based on Jesus AGE , which the pharisees estimated below 50 " You are not yet 50 years old, and still you have seen Abraham" Joh 8:57 while Jesus tried to show them that he has been in existence before Abraham " Most truly I say to you, before Abraham came into existence , I have been " Joh 8:58 . Which means their below 50 estimate is wrong .

Maamin:
I stopped replying him ...he is too dubious, but to himself alone. Cause when you point out the truth for him..he will twist it to drive in home absolutely no point.

You must not have to accept my every point but dont read your selfish meaning into the scripture either.

Hiswordxray:

Your point is completely unbiblical.
You are saying we Christian's worship two different Gods when it is written all over the Bible that we only have one God.

Maamin:


No! we worship one God Deu. 6:4
Jesus is the Son of God through whom we can also ask in his name.

Also ponder on this: John 14:1-15

1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?

6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works 'sake.

12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Too much authority in the way Jesus speak. To tell you that all power in heaven, on earth and beneath earth has been given on to him by the father. 1 Cor. 15:27-28

But God is all in all!

Hiswordxray:

The problem with you people is that you take some verses and throw the rest away.

"8 But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.” (Heb 1:

"looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ," (Titus 2:13)

"1 Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:" (2Pet 1:1)

"28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” (John 20:28)

So are you saying Jesus is not God and all those verses are incorrect?
Or are you saying Jesus is God but a different God (from Yahweh) that we worship and therefore we worship two Gods?

Hiswordxray:

The problem with you people is that you take some verses and throw the rest away.

"8 But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.” (Heb 1:

"looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ," (Titus 2:13)

"1 Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:" (2Pet 1:1)

"28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” (John 20:28)

So are you saying Jesus is not God and all those verses are incorrect?
Or are you saying Jesus is God but a different God (from Yahweh) that we worship and therefore we worship two Gods?

Hiswordxray:

Before you start accusing me of adding meaning to a verse, let me quote that verse directly from the New King James Version:
"Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
Now can you see the the "I AM" is written in capital letters?

Hiswordxray:

The problem with you people is that you take some verses and throw the rest away.

Hiswordxray:

"8 But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.” (Heb 1:

Hiswordxray:

"looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ," (Titus 2:13)

"1 Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:" (2Pet 1:1)

"28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” (John 20:28)

Hiswordxray:

So are you saying Jesus is not God and all those verses are incorrect?
Or are you saying Jesus is God but a different God (from Yahweh) that we worship and therefore we worship two Gods?

RikoduoSennin:


You are also a victim of the above accusation too! See below:



Don't throw away,
Verse 9: "...therefore God, YOUR GOD has anionted you beyond your comrades".

Why did you suppose the Father made this statement after supporting Jesus claim as 'a God', because he wants to show us that he himself his Jesus' personal God (A God above all other Gods).

RikoduoSennin:

Yes Jesus is a different God from Yahweh (there are other beings that were called God just like Jesus in the bible) and we don't worship him directly, we worship Yahweh THROUGH JESUS.
Why do you suppose Jesus told Mary what he said at John 20:17, Why did he tell John to write the words at Revelation 3:2,12.

Maamin:


Let me show you your major problem.

1. You believe Yahweh is God = correct
2. You believe Jesus the son of God is God = correct
3. But you believe Yahweh and Jesus are the same and equal persons = wrong
4. Yet You believe Yahweh is different from Jesus = correct
5. And You feel you are worshipping one God = your ought most confusion

Now let me clear you out here...Jesus is the Son of God which makes him God as well. The word "God" is just a title for both father and son because they also have their separate names..the father has never been called 'the son of God' why? Because he is greater than the son and all. The son says "the father is greater than i" he prayed to God the father. The son came from the father through the power of the holy spirit that is from God as well.

Everything holds together in Christ who is submissive to God the father that is all in all

The plan for mankind to be redeemed was instigated by the Father(the almighty),not Jesus...hope u know that??

Incase u've forgotten let's read the most popular scripture all Christians memorize..

John 3:16:
16..For God(Yahweh,of course not Jesus) loved the world so much that he gave his only begotten Son(Jesus),so that everyone who believes in him may not die but have eternal life..

Jesus is(Yahweh's) only begotten son became the agent through which Yahweh used to save mankind and reconcile them to Himself(Yahweh)...so prophet Isaiah is so right when it says Yahweh is our saviour...The title saviour that was attached to Jesus doesn't negate the fact that Yahweh is the all saving God..the saviour of all saviours..He is everything..he Is Father. Lord and God over Jesus...