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Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by 9inches(m): 1:41am On Jan 09
Dnaz:
The Bible is not the sole rule of the Christian faith

It's a No from you. Let's see if brocab will give a precise answer this time rather than filibustering.
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 4:47am On Jan 09
Then if this is not the answer you are looking for, then at least explain, your answer..Simple
9inches:


You are still evading the question. Is the bible the only rule of faith?
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by 9inches(m): 9:45am On Jan 09
brocab:
Then if this is not the answer you are looking for, then at least explain, your answer..Simple

You explanation for rule of faith?
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 8:16pm On Jan 09
I had explained it the best I could-but in your mind you had disqualified it-"Why? because you didn't read it to understand it, nor do you know the answer to your own question. Which makes life a little harder, but this time you need to read it, to understand it..
Evangelical Protestants hold to the Bible alone as their rule of faith.
This reflects their belief in the doctrine of the sufficiency of Scripture, which declares that the Bible alone is adequate to guide the Christian in all matters of faith and practice.
According to {2 Timothy 3:16–17} the Scriptures are profitable to make the believer “thoroughly equipped for every good work.” If we are thoroughly equipped by the Word of God, nothing more is needed.
There are no degrees of “thoroughness.” To say we need something more than the Bible as a rule of faith is to say we are made “partially thoroughly” equipped by the Bible and need something more to make us “completely thoroughly” equipped.

But the Roman Catholicism adds to the Bible and expands the rule of faith.
Catholics look to both “written books and unwritten traditions,” thereby adding to the Bible the declarations of popes and bishops, papal bulls, and various councils. Catholics believe the Bible is God’s Word, but it is incomplete without the addition of these writings of men. Am I right-all you still don't the answer?
9inches:


You explanation for rule of faith?
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by 9inches(m): 1:38am On Jan 10
brocab:

But the Roman Catholicism adds to the Bible and expands the rule of faith.
Catholics look to both “written books and unwritten traditions,” thereby adding to the Bible the declarations of popes and bishops, papal bulls, and various councils. Catholics believe the Bible is God’s Word, but it is incomplete without the addition of these writings of men. Am I right-all you still don't the answer?

Progress!

Now, what do you mean by "writings of men"? For the Catholic church, it's oral tradition. Remember, the doctrine of the apostles came to them in oral form from Jesus. In one sense the entire Christian message is based on oral tradition before, out of necessity, the written form came to be.

If you need a Catholic reference on that: https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/oral-tradition-in-the-new-testament
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 1:19am On Jan 11
The Protestant doctrine of sola scriptura -- that the Bible alone is a Christian's authority in matters of faith? And why do we believe this because the bible said so.
{2 Timothy 3:16} Paul states, “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness.” This is the only use in the Bible of the Greek word theopneustos, which means “God-breathed, inspired by God, due to the inspiration of God,” but other scriptural passages support the basic premise of Scripture being inspired by God.
The power of the breath of God in divine inspiration pervades Scripture. God breathed “the breath of life” into Adam (Genesis 2:7) and Jesus “breathed on them and said, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit’” (John 20:22)
In {2 Peter 1:21} we are told that “prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.” Here we see the truths of Scripture described as coming directly from God, not from the will of the writers He used to record them.
Peter notes that Paul writes “with the wisdom that God gave him” and that failure to take heed to these messages is done at the peril of the readers (2 Peter 3:15–16)
Scripture comes from the Holy Spirit, who gives it to us “in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words” (1 Corinthians 2:13).
In fact, the Berean believers faithfully used the inspired Word of God to check Paul’s adherence to the Word as they “examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true” (Acts 17:11)
Faith is central to how anyone receives the validity or value of God’s inspired Word because “the man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned” (1 Corinthians 2:14).
The “spiritual man” is the one who has been given the gift of faith (Ephesians 2:8–9) for the salvation of his soul. {Hebrews 11:1} tells us, “Faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see.”
There is a righteousness in the gospel revealed by God in the Scriptures, but our righteousness comes and is maintained by and through faith alone. “The righteous will live by faith” (Romans 1:17)
Although {2 Timothy 3:16} may be the only place in the Bible where the phrase “God-breathed” is used to describe the Word of God, Scripture is replete with similar claims. These are actually God’s words reminding us that His truth and love can be found there to guide us in all aspects of life. Perhaps James has the final word about the nature of Scripture (and many other things) when he proclaims, “Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows” (James 1:17)
I myself am one to believe in the written Word of God-In other words I don't need other books to know Christ-the bottom line is-if you aren't Spirit filled, you are not walking with Christ. "these books in the bible were written by men who were filled with the Holy spirit, You claim to other books but what good is that to you-if you are not filled with the Holy Spirit?
9inches:


Progress!

Now, what do you mean by "writings of men"? For the Catholic church, it's oral tradition. Remember, the doctrine of the apostles came to them in oral form from Jesus. In one sense the entire Christian message is based on oral tradition before, out of necessity, the written form came to be.

If you need a Catholic reference on that: https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/oral-tradition-in-the-new-testament
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by 9inches(m): 4:15am On Jan 11
brocab:
https://www.gotquestions.org/God-breathed.html

I myself am one to believe in the written Word of God-In other words I don't need other books to know Christ-the bottom line is-if you aren't Spirit filled, you are not walking with Christ. "these books in the bible were written by men who were filled with the Holy spirit, You claim to other books but what good is that to you-if you are not filled with the Holy Spirit?[/color]

Now it has come down to "yourself" and what you believe as your truth. Why don't you want to know the OBJECTIVE TRUTH? The TRUTH which does not depend on what you or I think or believe?
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 5:54am On Jan 11
I am open to word when in reason-Not my own truth-God's truth-The objective truth, is the Word of God? If there were other books, I am sure the Catholic Church would have kept them together-so everybody could have the enjoyment from them, and not just the Catholic Church-"The writers of the Bible wrote not according to their own will or whim, but only as they were moved, or controlled, by the Spirit of God.
The Bible is God's own book! The Bible writers gave God's messages by voice and pen while they lived, and when they died, their writings lived after them. These prophetic messages were then gathered together, under God's leading, in the book we call the Bible.
{2 Timothy 3:16-17} All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work." The Holy Bible affects human beings so profoundly, because "all" the Bible is "God-breathed."
It's more than a nice collection of moral principles; it's more than a great book; it's an inspired document, God's book. The prophets who wrote the Bible related what they saw and heard in human language, but their message came directly from God."
If you say these other books were God's Word-then no-one has the rights to separate them, what you may call the unfinished doctrines, God still speaks to us, with the left over scriptures.
I have never had God speak to me from any other book, its always been the bible-if these books were God's favoured's everybody would have them.
With these books of yours-have God spoken through them, I have never heard anybody say God is speaking to them through other books, other then the bible. Most of the books of the Protestant Apocrypha are called deuterocanonical by Catholics per the Council of Trent and all of them are called anagignoskomena by the Eastern Orthodox per the Synod of Jerusalem.

The Anglican Communion accepts "the Apocrypha for instruction in life and manners, but not for the establishment of doctrine.
9inches:


Now it has come down to "yourself" and what you believe as your truth. Why don't you want to know the OBJECTIVE TRUTH? The TRUTH which does not depend on what you or I think or believe?
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by 9inches(m): 2:40pm On Jan 11
brocab:
I am open to word when in reason-Not my own truth-God's truth-The objective truth, is the Word of God? If there were other books, I am sure the Catholic Church would have kept them together-so everybody could have the enjoyment from them, and not just the Catholic Church-"The writers of the Bible wrote not according to their own will or whim, but only as they were moved, or controlled, by the Spirit of God.

http://www.bibleinfo.com/en/questions/who-wrote-the-bible

If you say these other books were God's Word-then no-one has the rights to separate them, what you may call the unfinished doctrines, God still speaks to us, with the left over scriptures.
I have never had God speak to me from any other book, its always been the bible-if these books were God's favoured's everybody would have them[color=#000099].

(2 Thessalonians 2:15) "Stand fast and hold firm to the traditions that you were taught, either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours". Paul must have been talking out of both sides of his mouth, on one side demanding adherence to the written word only, and on the other urging fastidious adherence to both written and oral tradition. What do you think?

Also, (3 John 13-14) " I have much to write you, but I do not want to do so with pen and ink. I hope to see you soon, and we will talk face to face." Why would John emphasize his preference for oral tradition over written tradition in this instance if, as you assert, the scripture is superior to oral tradition?

In the very first letter of Paul to the Corinthians (1 Corinthians 11:2), "I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the traditions just as I passed them on to you." What does he mean by that, if earlier on in the same letter (1 Corinthians 4:6), he seems to be advocating sola scriptura?
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by okpurukata(f): 5:15pm On Jan 11
T[b]HREAD CLOSED.

THE LADY IN QUESTION IS ALREADY ATTENDING AND IS HAPPY WITH THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

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Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 11:49pm On Jan 12
Have we decided to change the topic, couldn't you come up with any of the answers? "Now let's learn about the Catholic church and the various Protestant churches attempt to lure each other into a strange circular argument regarding the doctrinal debate over "Tradition Vs Sola Scriptura" (the bible alone).
The Catholic faction gets Protestants arguing against all traditions rather than just the inventions of men; and more specifically, the inventions of the Catholic Church.
The argument is really against traditions of men that are not supported by the written word of God.
The Catholics will not regard scripture because they are pushing so hard on the point of traditions that they attempt to prove traditions by traditions, or extrabiblical writings, rather than with scripture.
The Protestants won't consider the oral transmission of God's word because they push the written text only. The circle is a dizzying spiral that leads to nowhere fast. Who do you believe?
We should always believe God's own testimony. Why? because He is infallible and True. [Numbers 23:19 ]"God is not a man, that he should lie...."
[Hebrews 6:18] "... it was [and is] impossible for God to lie..."But the Catholic's don't agree..
The apostle Peter had learned this and his words recorded in the bible's book of The Acts of The Apostles 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
The Bible and tradition both teach that our convictions are not to be based upon human wisdom but upon the power of God and His spirit which He gives to those who obey Him!
The problem is not that human (carnal) wisdom is always wrong but that human wisdom is clearly fallible and is not a sufficient foundation for believing anything about God. Hence our doctrinal convictions should not be based upon human wisdom.
The apostle Paul warned against such and we see that he knew this because of the written word of God.
You are like the JW's trying to turn the scriptures around to prove a pointless argument-traditions of men-if I was Jewish-I would keep the tradition of the law and circumcise myself.
{Mark 7:8, 13} You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions."Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and you do many things like that.
{Colossians 2:8} See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ.
9inches:


(2 Thessalonians 2:15) "Stand fast and hold firm to the traditions that you were taught, either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours". Paul must have been talking out of both sides of his mouth, on one side demanding adherence to the written word only, and on the other urging fastidious adherence to both written and oral tradition. What do you think?

Also, (3 John 13-14) " I have much to write you, but I do not want to do so with pen and ink. I hope to see you soon, and we will talk face to face." Why would John emphasize his preference for oral tradition over written tradition in this instance if, as you assert, the scripture is superior to oral tradition?

In the very first letter of Paul to the Corinthians (1 Corinthians 11:2), "I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the traditions just as I passed them on to you." What does he mean by that, if earlier on in the same letter (1 Corinthians 4:6), he seems to be advocating sola scriptura?
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by 9inches(m): 2:18am On Jan 13
brocab:
[color=#000099]Have we decided to change the topic, couldn't you come up with any of the answers? http://www.truthontheweb.org/sola.htm

You are all over the place, copying and pasting from websites. Most of what you post are not even under contention and has no bearing in this argument. I would think you should know what you are talking about instead of argument of copy and paste.

I quoted 3 verses from the bible which you should have zeroed in on. Please explain the verses and in context.
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 3:03am On Jan 13
Because you prefer to seek to live by the traditions of men, then maybe you should be focusing on these two verses, you don't like my information, haven't you worked it out yet-we all learn of each other, it wouldn't matter how or where I retrieved my information on
scripture, you will always find fault with the Word of God, the bible which is spiritual is never enough!

{Mark 7:8} You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions."Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and you do many things like that.
{Colossians 2:8} See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ.
I have never read great faith among the Catholic Church, it's always about how great your Church stands, denying the Word of God-you have used Peter us a stumbling block, using his very own fleshly foundations to build the Church in Rome.
{Titus 1:15-16} To the pure, all things are pure; but to the defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure. Indeed, both their minds and their consciences are defiled. They profess to know God, but they deny Him by their actions. They are detestable, disobedient, and unfit for any good deed.
I don't follow the Catholic Church-reason you are not in line with the Word of God-you worship god's-and like any other cult-claiming to know God, but they deny Him by their actions.
9inches:


You are all over the place, copying and pasting from websites. Most of what you post are not even under contention and has no bearing in this argument. I would think you should know what you are talking about instead of argument of copy and paste.

I quoted 3 verses from the bible which you should have zeroed in on. Please explain the verses and in context.
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by 9inches(m): 5:13am On Jan 13
brocab:
Because you prefer to seek to live by the traditions of men, then maybe you should be focusing on these two verses, you don't like my information, haven't you worked it out yet-we all learn of each other, it wouldn't matter how or where I retrieved my information on
scripture, you will always find fault with the Word of God, the bible which is spiritual is never enough!

{Mark 7:8} You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions."Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and you do many things like that.
{Colossians 2:8} See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ.
I have never read great faith among the Catholic Church, it's always about how great your Church stands, denying the Word of God-you have used Peter us a stumbling block, using his very own fleshly foundations to build the Church in Rome.
{Titus 1:15-16} To the pure, all things are pure; but to the defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure. Indeed, both their minds and their consciences are defiled. They profess to know God, but they deny Him by their actions. They are detestable, disobedient, and unfit for any good deed.
I don't follow the Catholic Church-reason you are not in line with the Word of God-you worship god's-and like any other cult-claiming to know God, but they deny Him by their actions.

You are all over the place with your comments. I have no issue with the verses you quoted above. They are not debatable and in line with Catholic teaching. However, it seems you have issues with 2 Thessalonians 2:15, you chose to believe only a part of it. Am I wrong?
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 7:25am On Jan 13
You say I write all over the place-only because you haven't any understanding in the Word of God, To a believer my comments are useful-but my comments to a unbeliever are unknowing,
{ 1 Corinthians 15;1-2} Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, {No added books to the bible} which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you {The argument is really against traditions of men that are not supported by the written word of God}
{2 Thessalonians 2:14-16} To this He called you through our gospel, so that you may share in the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, brothers, stand firm and cling to the traditions we taught you, whether by speech or by letter.
{They preached and they wrote the Word of God, and nothing in it has anything to do with the traditions of men}
Now may our Lord Jesus Christ Himself, and God our Father, who by grace has loved us and given us eternal comfort and good hope,…
If you had read the scriptures, in the first place, and if had knowing Christ-you would know the Catholic Church live by the traditions of men.{Matthew 15:2} Why do the disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? For they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
Have you heard-Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. "Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Scripture therefore determines whether tradition is acceptable.
The problem with you-is, you focus on the traditions-you preach the gospel in vain, the tradition of God is-do not make any images above, on earth and under the earth, but the traditions of men made idol's of worship.
{2 Thessalonians 3:6} Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition [paradosis i.e. law or ordinance] which he received of us.
9inches:


You are all over the place with your comments. I have no issue with the verses you quoted above. They are not debatable and in line with Catholic teaching. However, it seems you have issues with 2 Thessalonians 2:15, you chose to believe only a part of it. Am I wrong?
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by solite3(m): 7:41am On Jan 13
Dnaz:
The Bible is not the sole rule of the Christian faith
if the bible is not the sole rule of the Christian faith, then what is?
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 7:43am On Jan 13
Let the dead bury their own dead..
okpurukata:
T[b]HREAD CLOSED.

THE LADY IN QUESTION IS ALREADY ATTENDING AND IS HAPPY WITH THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

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Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by solite3(m): 7:48am On Jan 13
No catholic have been able to answer these questions?
what were the teachings of the apostles.
What did the teach concerning
Sin
God's law
Righteousness
Repentance
Salvation
Did they make images and bow to them?
Where they honoring Mary, angels and dead saints.
What was the first Church?
Was peter called a pope?
What ministry did peter receive?
Did the early church had priests?
What is mass?
What is the importance of mass?
Did the apostles refer to Mary as a mediatrix?
Who is a mediatrix?
Who is a mediator?
What does it take to qualify as a mediatrix or mediator?
Was Mary a sinner?
Was she a child of Adam?
Was Mary among people Christ came to save?

Please all catholics in the house are free to answer this questions.
Teach somebody your doctrine.
Go straight to point please.

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Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by 9inches(m): 1:38pm On Jan 13
brocab:
{2 Thessalonians 2:14-16} To this He called you through our gospel, so that you may share in the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, brothers, stand firm and cling to the traditions we taught you, whether by speech or by letter.
{They preached and they wrote the Word of God, and nothing in it has anything to do with the traditions of men}

We both agree the "letter" part is compiled in the bible. Where can we find the "speech" part? Remember, it says "stand firm and cling" to BOTH.
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 8:33pm On Jan 13
Both? I can only see one tradition here-the tradition of God..
{2 Thessalonians 2:14-16} To this He called you through our gospel, so that you may share in the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, brothers, stand firm and cling to the traditions we taught you, whether by speech or by letter.
Are you lost about the word speech-when your priest preachers to you, he is doing it in speech. One tradition one gospel, one God, one Lord and one Spirit..How do you find two traditions?
{They preached and they wrote the Word of God, and nothing in it has anything to do with the traditions of men}
{Colossians 2:7-8} rooted and built up in Him, established in the faith as you were taught, and overflowing with thankfulness. See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, which are based on human tradition and the spiritual forces of the world rather than on Christ.
Is this what you prefer to differ yourself further away from Christ because your Church is about the traditions of men?
{Mark 7:8-9} They worship Me in vain; they teach as doctrine the precepts of men.’ You have disregarded the commandment of God to keep the tradition of men.” He went on to say, “You neatly set aside the commandment of God to maintain your own tradition.…
I do remember when I first met my wife-she had asked me if I was circumcised-she said it's the tradition of the Church.
It's always the same old story people refusing Christ, seem to always go back to tradition of men from the Old Testament commandments.
{Genesis 17:14} Any uncircumcised male, who has not been circumcised in the flesh, will be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.
But now those In Christ had been set free from the traditions of men and-He said this>{1 Corinthians 7:18-20} …Was a man already circumcised when he was called? He should not become uncircumcised. Was a man still uncircumcised when called? He should not be circumcised. Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God’s commandments is what matters. Each one should remain in the situation he was in when he was called.…
We are set free in Christ-we don't need the traditions of men-we need the traditions of God! [quote author=9inches post=64160345][/quote]
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 9:39pm On Jan 13
Interesting bro..
Allow me to try and answer these questions myself-if I am wrong please correct me-from my mistakes.
Sin, {Get down on your knees and pray to the Father you sinners}
God's law-{Obey God and Him only you shall serve}
Righteousness-{Become a born again believer, and know Christ}
Repentance-{I repent forgive me Lord for I have sinned}
Salvation {Sets us free from mans tradition of the world leading to death}
Did they make images and bow to them?{thru shalt not worship statues in Church}
Where they honoring Mary, angels and dead saints. {Honor God}
What was the first Church? {Become born again and join the first Church in Christ}
Was peter called a pope? {I minor confused situation}
What ministry did peter receive? {Never Catholic}
Did the early church had priests? {Pagans}
What is mass? {Mass is both a property of a physical body}
What is the importance of mass?{To keep man under pagan tradition}
Did the apostles refer to Mary as a mediatrix? {Pray to the Father}
Who is a mediatrix? {Mediatrix is one God: and one mediator of God and men, the man Christ Jesus}
Who is a mediator? {Mediator is Christ}
What does it take to qualify as a mediatrix or mediator? {Be God}
Was Mary a sinner? {Just like me-she was born to sin}
Was she a child of Adam? {Was the flesh man made of dust}
Was Mary among people Christ came to save? {Like the apostles-she needed a savor-and she became born again..}
solite3:
No catholic have been able to answer these questions?
what were the teachings of the apostles.
What did the teach concerning
Sin
God's law-
Righteousness
Repentance
Salvation
Did they make images and bow to them?
Where they honoring Mary, angels and dead saints.
What was the first Church?
Was peter called a pope?
What ministry did peter receive?
Did the early church had priests?
What is mass?
What is the importance of mass?
Did the apostles refer to Mary as a mediatrix?
Who is a mediatrix?
Who is a mediator?
What does it take to qualify as a mediatrix or mediator?
Was Mary a sinner?
Was she a child of Adam?
Was Mary among people Christ came to save?

Please all catholics in the house are free to answer this questions.
Teach somebody your doctrine.
Go straight to point please.
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 9:57pm On Jan 13
{2 Corinthians 3:3} clearly you are an epistle of Christ, ministered by us, written not with ink but by the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of flesh, that is, of the heart.
If the Word of God tells us this-then why don't you believe-in the scriptures? The traditions of men on stone have passed away, while the tradition of God He laid upon our hearts mind's and souls..The old testament law states I am circumcised-Christ states circumcised or uncircumcised-what difference is that to Him-when I am in Christ either way...
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by 9inches(m): 10:40pm On Jan 13
brocab:
{2 Thessalonians 2:14-16} To this He called you through our gospel, so that you may share in the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, brothers, stand firm and cling to the traditions we taught you, whether by speech or by letter.
Are you lost about the word speech-when your priest preachers to you, he is doing it in speech. One tradition one gospel, one God, one Lord and one Spirit..How do you find two traditions?

Where can we find the highlighted teaching? Note the book was written before 70 AD, and we are in 2018, how and where can one get this "speech" since we already have the "letter"?
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by 9inches(m): 11:06pm On Jan 13
solite3:
if the bible is not the sole rule of the Christian faith, then what is?

The Bible (written books) and Divine tradition (written traditions)

New Testament:
Christ gave His disciples no specific command to write, but only to teach: "going therefore, teach ye all nations, . . . teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you" (Matthew 28:19-20). "As the Father hath sent me, I also send you" (John 20:21). And in accordance with this, the Church is everywhere presented to us as a living and undying society composed of the teachers and the taught. Christ is in the Church, and is its Head; and He promised that the Holy Spirit should be with it and abide in it. "He will teach you all things, and bring all things to your mind, whatsoever I shall have said to you" (John 14:26). Hence St. Paul calls the Church "the pillar and ground of the truth" (1 Timothy 3:15; cf. Mark 16:16; Romans 10:17; Acts 15:28).

Tradition:
The same doctrine appears in the writings of the Fathers of every age; thus St. Ignatius (Letter to the Trallians 7) "Keep yourselves from heretics. You will be able to do this if you are not puffed up with pride, and (so) separated from (our) God, Jesus Christ, and from the bishop, and from the precepts of the Apostles. He who is within the altar is clean, he who is without is not clean; that is, he who acts any way without the bishop, the priestly body, and the deacons, is not clean in conscience". And St. Irenæus ("Adv. Haer.", III, ii) says, of heretics, that "not one of them but feels no shame in preaching himself, and thus depraving the rule of faith" (ton tes aletheias kanona); and again (III, iv), "it is not right to seek from others that truth which it is easy to get from the Church, since the Apostles poured into it in fullest measure, as into a rich treasury, all that belongs to the truth, so that whosoever desires may drink thence the draught of life". A little further on, he speaks (V, xx) of the "true and sound preaching of the Church, which offers to the whole world one and the same way of salvation"

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05766b.htm
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 3:07am On Jan 14
{2 Corinthians 6:14-18} Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers.
{ And yet the Churches a full of unbelievers believers, arguing against the believers in Christ. Jesus said do not be unequally yoked-with unbelievers, And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? Do the Catholic's hold idol's? For you are the temple of the living God.}
For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?
And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever? And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God.
As God has said: “I will dwell in them, And walk among them.
I will be their God, And they shall be My people.
"Therefore"
“Come out from among them, And be separate, says the Lord. {Come out from the her, and live for Christ}
Do not touch what is unclean, And I will receive you.
“I will be a Father to you, And you shall be My sons and daughters, Says the Lord Almighty.
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 3:19am On Jan 14
{Acts 5:29–32} But Peter and the apostles answered, “We must obey God rather than men. The God of our fathers raised Jesus, whom you killed by hanging him on a tree. God exalted him at his right hand as Leader and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins…
The Gospel Preaching in Acts” here on the Apostle Peter’s sermons in the book of Acts.
The content of these speeches shows the absence of the fear of human rejection, which paralyzed him earlier and caused him to disown Jesus–by saying “I do not know [him]
(Matthew 26:69-75, Mark 14:66-72, Luke 24:54-62, John 18:25-27) The content of these speeches show that Holy Spirit empowered witness to the facts of Jesus’ life, death and resurrection have no substitute, and that the methods and the message are God ordained..
{Acts 2:14–39} But Peter, standing with the eleven, lifted up his voice and addressed them: “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and give ear to my words. For these people are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day.…
(Acts 3:11-4:4, Acts 4:8-12, Acts 10:34-43)
9inches:


Where can we find the highlighted teaching? Note the book was written before 70 AD, and we are in 2018, how and where can one get this "speech" since we already have the "letter"?
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by 9inches(m): 4:32am On Jan 14
brocab:
{Acts 5:29–32} But Peter and the apostles answered, “We must obey God rather than men. The God of our fathers raised Jesus, whom you killed by hanging him on a tree. God exalted him at his right hand as Leader and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins…
The Gospel Preaching in Acts” here on the Apostle Peter’s sermons in the book of Acts.
The content of these speeches shows the absence of the fear of human rejection, which paralyzed him earlier and caused him to disown Jesus–by saying “I do not know [him]
(Matthew 26:69-75, Mark 14:66-72, Luke 24:54-62, John 18:25-27) The content of these speeches show that Holy Spirit empowered witness to the facts of Jesus’ life, death and resurrection have no substitute, and that the methods and the message are God ordained..
{Acts 2:14–39} But Peter, standing with the eleven, lifted up his voice and addressed them: “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and give ear to my words. For these people are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day.…
(Acts 3:11-4:4, Acts 4:8-12, Acts 10:34-43)
9inches:


Where can we find the highlighted teaching? Note the book was written before 70 AD, and we are in 2018, how and where can one get this "speech" since we already have the "letter"?
Can't you answer the question? It's bible passage o, not made up. Please explain.
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 6:11am On Jan 14
As a Catholic-have you ever heard from God? all is it something you believe the priest are the ones that hear from God?
{Romans 13:13} convicted and converted the immoral Augustine. For Martin Luther, a miserable monk, the light broke in through
{Romans 1:17} He said, Night and day I pondered until I saw the connection between the justice of God and the statement that "the just shall live by his faith.
Why has the Bible had this abiding relevance and power? I believe the answer is found in our text.
{2 Peter 1:20–21} "First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation, because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God."
This passage teaches that when you read Scripture, what you are reading does not merely come from a man but also from God.
The Bible is the writing of many different men. But it is also far more than that. Yes, men spoke. They spoke with their own language and style.
But Peter mentions two other dimensions of their speaking. Speaking from God, Moved by the Holy Spirit, First, they spoke from God. What they have to say is not merely from their own limited perspective. They are not the origin of the truth they speak; they are the channel. The truth is God's truth. Their meaning is God's meaning.
9inches:


The Bible (written books) and Divine tradition (written traditions)

New Testament:
Christ gave His disciples no specific command to write, but only to teach: "going therefore, teach ye all nations, . . . teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you" (Matthew 28:19-20). "As the Father hath sent me, I also send you" (John 20:21). And in accordance with this, the Church is everywhere presented to us as a living and undying society composed of the teachers and the taught. Christ is in the Church, and is its Head; and He promised that the Holy Spirit should be with it and abide in it. "He will teach you all things, and bring all things to your mind, whatsoever I shall have said to you" (John 14:26). Hence St. Paul calls the Church "the pillar and ground of the truth" (1 Timothy 3:15; cf. Mark 16:16; Romans 10:17; Acts 15:28).

Tradition:
The same doctrine appears in the writings of the Fathers of every age; thus St. Ignatius (Letter to the Trallians 7) "Keep yourselves from heretics. You will be able to do this if you are not puffed up with pride, and (so) separated from (our) God, Jesus Christ, and from the bishop, and from the precepts of the Apostles. He who is within the altar is clean, he who is without is not clean; that is, he who acts any way without the bishop, the priestly body, and the deacons, is not clean in conscience". And St. Irenæus ("Adv. Haer.", III, ii) says, of heretics, that "not one of them but feels no shame in preaching himself, and thus depraving the rule of faith" (ton tes aletheias kanona); and again (III, iv), "it is not right to seek from others that truth which it is easy to get from the Church, since the Apostles poured into it in fullest measure, as into a rich treasury, all that belongs to the truth, so that whosoever desires may drink thence the draught of life". A little further on, he speaks (V, xx) of the "true and sound preaching of the Church, which offers to the whole world one and the same way of salvation"

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05766b.htm
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 6:16am On Jan 14
Easy you believe we are to obey both man and God's traditions?
But what does the bible say?
9inches:


Can't you answer the question? It's bible passage o, not made up. Please explain.
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 8:54am On Jan 14
To be honest 9 in, I really don't know which direction we are going with this, you are swapping and changing-if I had a better idea, and knew about your religion, just maybe we could be talking on the same lines.
Maybe instead of asking me the questions maybe you should be providing your evidence on paper, and show us where in Word, are we to follow the traditions of men-rather then the traditions of God,or both.
It seems every thing I try to help you with-your first reaction is you reject the Word of God-you have tried to turn scripture against scripture without reading what the meaning of it is.
The bible isn't enough for you, first you are talking about the missing links to the bible, now this, the traditions of men.
So bro I don't mind having this conversation with you, but you must understand It's strictly bible, unless you can prove otherwise, that the Word of God isn't just in the written bible of God.
So I say if you bring your evidence to the table, and explain how you see these scriptures, giving me some sort of your interpretation, how you understand the bible-we could have a sensible conversation. Visa versa.
But the problem we are having between each other, is, I am not Catholic, and as I see it, just speaking to the Catholic's they seem so far away from Christ? The tradition of men stands fern with the Catholic Church-and even if you did have other books to prove the things of Christ, you disobey the bible as it stands. Thru shalt not make any images.Thru shall worship One God and Him only you shall serve-but the problem is-you don't serve Him, because the Queen of Heaven the Mother of God is your only Mediator between God and man..
The bible tells me I can pray straight to the Father on His throne in heaven, I don't need to go through anybody else, yes I have asked people to pray for me visa versa, but we have large differences with our beliefs-nowhere in the bible does it tell us, to pray to dead souls, nor will I pray for them in Heaven-praise the Lord if they had made it to heaven.
I have the living Christ..I pray to the living God the Father. I pray for the living-the dead have passed away-the bible does not tell me to pray to the dead souls. What can the dead do?
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by Ubenedictus(m): 1:52pm On Jan 14
brocab:
Easy you believe we are to obey both man and God's traditions?
But what does the bible say?

no he believes he must obey the teachings of the apostles whether they came down in writing AKA Bible or taught to the Church in words and later wrote down.


the word of God was never confined to the Bible alone.
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by solite3(m): 3:15pm On Jan 14
brocab:
Interesting bro..
Allow me to try and answer these questions myself-if I am wrong please correct me-from my mistakes.
Sin, {Get down on your knees and pray to the Father you sinners}
God's law-{Obey God and Him only you shall serve}
Righteousness-{Become a born again believer, and know Christ}
Repentance-{I repent forgive me Lord for I have sinned}
Salvation {Sets us free from mans tradition of the world leading to death}
Did they make images and bow to them?{thru shalt not worship statues in Church}
Where they honoring Mary, angels and dead saints. {Honor God}
What was the first Church? {Become born again and join the first Church in Christ}
Was peter called a pope? {I minor confused situation}
What ministry did peter receive? {Never Catholic}
Did the early church had priests? {Pagans}
What is mass? {Mass is both a property of a physical body}
What is the importance of mass?{To keep man under pagan tradition}
Did the apostles refer to Mary as a mediatrix? {Pray to the Father}
Who is a mediatrix? {Mediatrix is one God: and one mediator of God and men, the man Christ Jesus}
Who is a mediator? {Mediator is Christ}
What does it take to qualify as a mediatrix or mediator? {Be God}
Was Mary a sinner? {Just like me-she was born to sin}
Was she a child of Adam? {Was the flesh man made of dust}
Was Mary among people Christ came to save? {Like the apostles-she needed a savor-and she became born again..}
thanks for your reply.
I wanted a roman catholic to answer.

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