TheGoodJoe:


I do not argue that Mourinho is a brilliant manager. I followed him from his days at Porto I supported them until they won the UEFA Cup. I watched the game and I felt for Celtic when they lost on Silver Goal.

He is a good coach but Mourinho can not be compared to Guardiola. How many memorable games can he boast off? He wins 1-0, 2-1 in a large percentage of his games because that is the best he can do.

When he meets most top sides, he resorts to defending because he knows he can not coach a team to crush big sides.

How many times do you see Mourinho go ahead in a game and the side gets a red card and he still resorts to parking bus? Is that a sign of greatness or cowardice. You can not go a man down against someone like Guardiola and he will park the bus.

Is Mourinho a good coach? No doubt he is. A tactical legend? No way because he can not coach a side to crush teams repeatedly until they carry the title.

TheGoodJoe:


I do not argue that Mourinho is a brilliant manager. I followed him from his days at Porto I supported them until they won the UEFA Cup. I watched the game and I felt for Celtic when they lost on Silver Goal.

He is a good coach but Mourinho can not be compared to Guardiola. How many memorable games can he boast off? He wins 1-0, 2-1 in a large percentage of his games because that is the best he can do.

When he meets most top sides, he resorts to defending because he knows he can not coach a team to crush big sides.

How many times do you see Mourinho go ahead in a game and the side gets a red card and he still resorts to parking bus? Is that a sign of greatness or cowardice. You can not go a man down against someone like Guardiola and he will park the bus.

Is Mourinho a good coach? No doubt he is. A tactical legend? No way because he can not coach a side to crush teams repeatedly until they carry the title.

Tomtoxic:

u said mou is hyped OK between the 'special one' and guadiola amma show u who is the 'hyped one'
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THE MOURINHO STORY.
Started off managerial career 4rm benfica coached 9 matches was top of the league den resigned.then got the uniao de lieria job a recently promoted team and took them to their highest ever position in top flight (5th). went to Porto hu last won the league 3 years ago,when the team was in a mess 5th in the league out of Portuguese cup and last in UCL group I bet u knw what he did he later won UCL with d Portuguese league that was not in its glory years like the 1960s.moved over to Chelsea won the league in his 1st season (1st time in bout 54 years for chelsea) u knw everyoda tin he did in chelsea .then off to internazionale a team that last won d league also bout 3 years ago and won the domestic treble next he won d treble consisting of the UCL den off to Madrid (an unhealthy unbalanced team) that have not won the league for 3 years and have not reached the quarter finals of UCL for 4 years he won d copa del rey the league and led them to 2 successive semi finals of d ucl.then to the present (Chelsea).
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STORY OF GUARDIOLA
took over the barca job in 2008 inherited the best squad in Europe consisting of players like puyol,henry,deco,ronaldinho and eto etc he dominated LA liga (what else was he supposed to do with that squad) then went off to Bayern to inherit another best squad in Europe (heynecks treble winning Bayern) and has considerably flopped with the team.yes FLOPPED cuz he only dominates a one man bundesliga but has lost his 2 trials in europe .
Now tell me which team mou took over that had the capacity to dominate and win so much trophy in 4 years simply none cuz dey all had a problem and mou was employed to fix it and he did. so u can see 1 started 4rm d bottom now he z here the other started coaching on a platter of gold so who is really HYPED?
mou lost 5-0 to guardiola and barca got 3 points guadiola lost 1-0 to mou and Madrid got a trophy now that's misplaced priority.inter lost the group stage matches to barca but won the semi final (the 1 that mattered) hope u can see the difference between both now.
calling mourinho hyped should seriously be a criminal offence .
Thank u sir

Tomtoxic:

when u talk of memorable games mou has a lot the inter vs barca is a really memorable game the copa del rey clasico also just to mention a few.
hmm am still searching for this book u are reading titled the right way to play football that States that u must crush your opponent before u are recognised.
going ahead and parking the bus is not a sign of cowardice my brother its a purely tactical decision to get the 3 points (which he is being paid for).I guess u would prefer he loses na y trying to play to the gallery.he is a man that knws what he wants and knws the tactics to employ to get it.
using Barcelona to beat Mallorca 10-0 doesn't tell shit about a coach's tactical prowess bro.
show me were u have to crush teams to be a tactical legend oh even the Greece team that won euro 2004 (with the best defensive performance in international football) were applauded for winning the title were other good football dominating teams like Portugal england Italy etc were

joseph1013:
Damn!!! Solace Chukwu is gangsta!

TheGoodJoe:


That is what I am pointing out. There is a difference in winning a game 1-0 and winning a game 3-0.

You wrote there even Pep got SLAUGHTERED. Why did you not say win? Because, there is a difference. Mourinho can coach wins. Repeated wins. Guardiola can coach repeated slaughters. He slaughters teams repeatedly each season.

That is why he is superior to Pep.

That is why I can never called Mourinho a great tactical mind because he is stuck to wins. How can anyone call a man who is a goal up and a man up and decides to pack the bus a great tactical mind. He has done it repeatedly.

There is a big difference and you know it.

Orkpekyandega:
[b][size=14pt]
Oliseh boasts: I’ve changed Eagles

•Says team wasn’t winning every game before his five-month reign

•Reveals score card of 4 wins, 3 draws; one loss

•Exposes unnamed media website of asking for favours which he rejected
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Super Eagles chief coach, Sunday Oliseh has has lampooned those who do not see anything good in his plans to return Nigeria’s senior soccer side to winning ways insisting that: “I have been in charge of the Eagles for five months. So far, we have played eight games, won four, recorded three away draws and suffered one defeat. We have only conceded two goals in one match (against the third best African nation, DR Congo) while we have scored nine goals with a relatively new set of players.”

Piqued by the avanlanche of criticisms that have dodged his reign as the Eagles chief coach, Oliseh revealed on his television website www.sundayoliseh.tv that: “One would think prior to taking charge of the Super Eagles (as those we refused privileged access try to portray) Nigeria were winning every game and playing champagne football.

“The truth is the total opposite though as we only recorded one victory in five games, including a home defeat to Uganda, and were absent from the 2015 AFCON.”
Oliseh exposed a prominent major sports webite which he refused to name as being in the vanguard of publishing untrue stories about his reign simply because he didn’t succumb to the website’s chief’s request.

According to the document scooped from the eagles chief coach’s www.sundayoliseh.tv: “Two days after starting as chief coach of the Super Eagles of Nigeria, a representative of a major sport website came up to me in Abuja to make me an offer:
“Give us privileged access and information to the Super Eagles and in return we will write only positive things about you and the team.”

“As you would expect, I declined the offer and today that website has been christened, “the anti-Sunday Oliseh’s Super Eagles Website”. Others have made similar offers and some even worse….”

Oliseh, however, praised the new NFF board for keying into his new but pragmatic philosophy on how the Eagles should play to be in sync with global best practices stressing that: “The Nigerian Football Federation (NFF), under this new administration is actually (to my knowledge) bent on trying to bring about positive change to the county’s football which fortunately falls in line with our philosophy.

“Moses Simon, Sylvester Igboun, Chima Akas, Paul Onobie, Shehu Abdullahi, Carl Ikeme, Odion Ighalo and Austin Obaroakpo among others are new players that now star for the Super Eagles.

That was not the case in the recent past and it is refreshing to see and be part of their team build-up.

“I am quite optimistic about the progression of the Super Eagles and just as we welcome the applause that have been showered on the team by the fans, we also welcome constructive criticisms towards the team that simultaneously offer suggestions at how it could be done better.

“Many can tell you what they think is wrong with you, but very few can effectively tell and show you how to do it better! 2008 ushered in a new era in world football: that of a team oriented success over individual stars.

“That explains why we rarely see heavy scorelines anymore as was the case in the past due to the fact that even if a team lacks individual, highly talented stars to win, they build their competitiveness around collective schemes and though in the end they might crumble to better talented teams they will not be ridiculed.

“Nigeria have no choice in my opinion; we need to build a talented, hungry and patriotic team to serve our 170 million compatriots.”

The average Nigerian is ecstatic about the results, but those who seek and represent special interests, beg to disagree.

“Coaching Nigeria, though challenging, gives one so much joy when one feels as we do, the joy it brings to over 170 million people. There seems to be a renewed interest in the national team,” Oliseh said.
thenationonlineng.net/oliseh-boasts-ive-changed-eagles/
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BascoVanVeli:


At the end of the day 1-0 is the same as 4-0, they don't give out a different trophy if you don't "slaughter" ur opponent.

TheSuperNerd:
**puts hands on head**

Goodness me! Sir, I wasn't even referring to you. Gosh!!! I didn't even have you in mind.

Hmmm..... Let's see. I did say "Nigerians" have short memory. I used "they just hate Mikel" but please o..... Abeg! I no carry you for mind o.

I was speaking broadly when I used the term "Nigerians". I just re-checked and I can see that the "whole misunderstanding" of me associating you with hate or short memory stems from the fact that "that post" was one which quoted Sir Goodjoe's post which in turn had quoted you earlier.

So naturally, you'll think I was referring to you. Abeg o! Kai!!! Ema bi nu o.... But SERIOUSLY I NEVER HAD YOU IN MIND "AT ALL". I simply wrote based on things observed and matters raised outside this "thread" but in relation to the Super Eagles.

Honestly *cross my heart* I was speaking in the light of the many news articles and fans' reactions on other platforms post-swaziland game.

Please, don't get it twisted ok. *smiles*

P.S: Imagine my surprise when I checked my mentions and saw this.......... Gosh!!! I was like.... "Oh no, someone just misplaced a piece"

I hope we're clear now. *smiles*

joseph1013:
Damn!!! Solace Chukwu is gangsta!

justiz5:


The guy's football comments too de make sense.

His situational analysis are always a top notch.
He is one football or sports analyst I have found to be unbiased, no matter what in his analysis.

BascoVanVeli:


Na lie.

joseph1013:


He is my best football writer in Nigeria, though I will say that if alot of us in this house choose to become career football journalists, we will give them a run for their money. Most of them are very lazy. Solace is a breath of fresh air.

Tomtoxic:

u said mou is hyped OK between the 'special one' and guadiola amma show u who is the 'hyped one'
********
THE MOURINHO STORY.
Started off managerial career 4rm benfica coached 9 matches was top of the league den resigned.then got the uniao de lieria job a recently promoted team and took them to their highest ever position in top flight (5th). went to Porto hu last won the league 3 years ago,when the team was in a mess 5th in the league out of Portuguese cup and last in UCL group I bet u knw what he did he later won UCL with d Portuguese league that was not in its glory years like the 1960s.moved over to Chelsea won the league in his 1st season (1st time in bout 54 years for chelsea) u knw everyoda tin he did in chelsea .then off to internazionale a team that last won d league also bout 3 years ago and won the domestic treble next he won d treble consisting of the UCL den off to Madrid (an unhealthy unbalanced team) that have not won the league for 3 years and have not reached the quarter finals of UCL for 4 years he won d copa del rey the league and led them to 2 successive semi finals of d ucl.then to the present (Chelsea).
*******
STORY OF GUARDIOLA
took over the barca job in 2008 inherited the best squad in Europe consisting of players like puyol,henry,deco,ronaldinho and eto etc he dominated LA liga (what else was he supposed to do with that squad) then went off to Bayern to inherit another best squad in Europe (heynecks treble winning Bayern) and has considerably flopped with the team.yes FLOPPED cuz he only dominates a one man bundesliga but has lost his 2 trials in europe .
Now tell me which team mou took over that had the capacity to dominate and win so much trophy in 4 years simply none cuz dey all had a problem and mou was employed to fix it and he did. so u can see 1 started 4rm d bottom now he z here the other started coaching on a platter of gold so who is really HYPED?
mou lost 5-0 to guardiola and barca got 3 points guadiola lost 1-0 to mou and Madrid got a trophy now that's misplaced priority.inter lost the group stage matches to barca but won the semi final (the 1 that mattered) hope u can see the difference between both now.
calling mourinho hyped should seriously be a criminal offence .
Thank u sir

TheGoodJoe:


[b]You are kidding. You say he consistently flopped. Because he is in a one man league? Go and check your history. Before Heynckes, Bayern were not on top. Other teams won the league. Two great coaches came (Heynckes and Guardiola), did well and you call it a one man league.

You can only call it a one man league because these two coaches did exceptionally well. What Guardiola continued, is so immense you tagged it a one man league. Remember how Dortmund fell in a one man league? If all the teams were weak, will that happen?

That is how good Guardiola is. Remember the games against City when we played Bayern. Those were tough ties. We were the champions but we found playing them difficult.

Arsenal is one of the top teams in the EPL today, yet Guardiola slaughtered them. If he was in the EPL, he will slaughter teams.

Leave that fake one man League talk. Mourinho can not do it like Pep.

The so called special one, goes a goal up and the other team goes a man down and he chooses to pack the bus. Then he concedes two goals. Is that brilliant to you? Talkless of genius.

Imagine talk, you call a man consistently topping a league flopping. When did consistently top a league mean flopping.

Flopping is what Mourinho is doing in the EPL. You are funny.[/b]

adegwurulez:

As much as i'd like to stick to super eagle's discussions, i have to make this one clarification. Yes Guardiola inherited a star studded team but do you know the kind of changes he made? He sold Ronaldinho, eto'o and deco, converted messi to the false 9role when ibra faltered, a role that has made messi one of the greatest of all time. He showed so much faith in the la masia, during his reign we saw players like Thiago, bojan, Afelley, tello, Nolito and many more. My point is, Guardiola inherited a star-studded team but he made many structural adjustments that has made barcelona today one of the most deadly teams.

TheGoodJoe:


If 1-0 is the same as 4-0. Why is there goal difference in football? They can never be the same. The score line is one of the best reflections of the strength of two teams on that particular day.

BascoVanVeli:


Not at all, last year barca and chealsea didn't score the most goals but they still won their leagues. If u can win big matches you are a great coach point blank.

Tomtoxic:
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heynecks made Bayern what they are today not guardiola.bundesliga not a 1 man team? like seriously? OK hu in your honest opinion has the capacity and capability to trouble them certainly not Dortmund certainly not shalcke 04 nor Bayer Leverkusen or Wolfsburg in short being truthful to our self let all these team come together and form a team the Bayern team will still win so guy its a PURE 1 man league.
u said parking the bus is an act of cowardice now I will show u what cowardice really is.
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THE BOX PHILOSOPHY
u sit back give the ball to your opponent let them hit u with all they have got for a full 90 minutes now that's no cowardice that's phuvcking BRAVERY.
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TIKI TAKA
u pass the ball round like its a training section u starve ur opponent of the ball by hoarding it like its petroleum mttchhew pure COWARDICE u refuse to let others play football my brodah if I've got balls give the opponent the ball na.
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u said defending is basic and its what every championship coach can do that's totally laughable u wanna real knw what's basic there is nothing more basic in football than passing the ball round.and if every championship coach can do it then every championship coach would defeat guardiola

Tomtoxic:
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heynecks made Bayern what they are today not guardiola.bundesliga not a 1 man team? like seriously? OK hu in your honest opinion has the capacity and capability to trouble them certainly not Dortmund certainly not shalcke 04 nor Bayer Leverkusen or Wolfsburg in short being truthful to our self let all these team come together and form a team the Bayern team will still win so guy its a PURE 1 man league.
u said parking the bus is an act of cowardice now I will show u what cowardice really is.
*********
THE BOX PHILOSOPHY
u sit back give the ball to your opponent let them hit u with all they have got for a full 90 minutes now that's no cowardice that's phuvcking BRAVERY.
*********
TIKI TAKA
u pass the ball round like its a training section u starve ur opponent of the ball by hoarding it like its petroleum mttchhew pure COWARDICE u refuse to let others play football my brodah if I've got balls give the opponent the ball na.
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u said defending is basic and its what every championship coach can do that's totally laughable u wanna real knw what's basic there is nothing more basic in football than passing the ball round.and if every championship coach can do it then every championship coach would defeat guardiola

Tomtoxic:

I appreciate sticking to the super eagles as this is their thread but we shouldn't fold our hand and let someone spread falsehood or as lucky igbinedion said 'assassinate the character of a man who has worked hard for all he has'.
the point I was trying to pass across wasn't that guardiola didn't make changes but that he is always fortunate to inherit the best squad in the world and then someone expects mou to get 14 trophies in 4 years with a Chelsea team that was being built or a Porto team that needed revival or an inter Milan where even the fans had lost hope or a Madrid team that couldn't click against Olympic Lyonnais.NEVER.
so addressing the issue of the hyped one brought up by sirgoodjoe in this case it is crystal clear who is overhyped

Porto
Primeira Liga: 2002–03, 2003–04
Taça de Portugal: 2002–03
Supertaça Cândido de Oliveira: 2003
UEFA Champions League: 2003–04
UEFA Cup: 2002–03

Chelsea
Premier League: 2004–05, 2005–06, 2014–15
FA Cup: 2006–07
Football League Cup: 2004–05, 2006–07, 2014–15
FA Community Shield: 2005

Inter Milan
Serie A: 2008–09, 2009–10
Coppa Italia: 2009–10
Supercoppa Italiana: 2008
UEFA Champions League: 2009–10

Real Madrid
La Liga: 2011–12
Copa del Rey: 2010–11
Supercopa de España: 2012

Individual
Onze d'Or Coach of the Year: 2005, 2010
FIFA World Coach of the Year: 2010
IFFHS World's Best Club Coach: 2004, 2005, 2010, 2012
Primeira Liga Manager of the Year: 2002–03, 2003–04
Premier League Manager of the Year: 2004–05, 2005–06, 2014–15
Premier League Manager of the Month: November 2004, January 2005, March 2007
Serie A Manager of the Year: 2008–09, 2009–10
Albo Panchina d'Oro: 2009–10
Miguel Muñoz Trophy: 2010–11, 2011–12
UEFA Manager of the Year: 2002–03, 2003–04
UEFA Team of the Year: 2003, 2004, 2005, 2010
World Soccer Magazine World Manager of the Year: 2004, 2005, 2010
LPFP Awards Best Portuguese Manager in Foreign Countries: 2008–09, 2009–10
BBC Sports Personality of the Year Coach Award: 2005
La Gazzetta dello Sport Man of the Year: 2010
International Sports Press Association Best Manager in the World: 2010
Prémio Prestígio Fernando Soromenho: 2012
Football Extravaganza's League of Legends (2011)

joseph1013:


Even as a Barca fan, I decided not to wade into the argument when I read that Mourinho is overrated. Shuo!

Check these records out:




Nobody, I repeat nobody, can amaze this collection of trophy and not be a tactical genius!