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Re: Lagosians R In Trouble! One Secret About Lagos U Don't Know_radio Biafra by kingreen: 2:40pm On Aug 29, 2015 |
anigbajumo:na lie idiat |
Re: Lagosians R In Trouble! One Secret About Lagos U Don't Know_radio Biafra by anigbajumo(m): 5:25pm On Aug 29, 2015 |
Re: Lagosians R In Trouble! One Secret About Lagos U Don't Know_radio Biafra by dododawa1: 6:08pm On Aug 29, 2015 |
Eko ni baje |
Re: Lagosians R In Trouble! One Secret About Lagos U Don't Know_radio Biafra by Esdb3: 7:13pm On Aug 29, 2015 |
laudate: You mean what a dynamic language. 2 Likes |
Re: Lagosians R In Trouble! One Secret About Lagos U Don't Know_radio Biafra by otr1(m): 12:18am On Aug 30, 2015 |
italo:The Yoruba did not come in one migration, but in many different migrations – in waves. The first possible migration might be connected with the Hyksos invasion. Some words in the Yoruban vocabulary echo the words used in Egypt in predynastic times and in the early dynastic periods. The first crop of migrants or southward push of the Egyptians took place about 2000BC – 500BC. The Hyksos invasion (2000-1500BC) caused some of these southward migrations. Many of the black Egyptians seemed to have moved to Yoruba land during this period. . The second wave of migrations can be referred to as the Black Nubian emigrants. The Nubians were black, they occupied present day Sudan, which was an integral part of the Egyptian Empire. The vocabulary, body scarification, and religious discourse resemble those of the Ijebus. These migrations occurred about 500BC. A third wave of migration took place between 90BC and 30BC. The present writers feel the personality called Oduduwa, came in that migration trend. A fourth migration will correspond to the Christian conquest of Egypt, about 100AD. The last wave of migration will correspond to the Arab enforced emigration, between 700AD – 1100AD, when the Arabs had consolidated their control over Egypt; they chased the last batch of traditional worshipping Egyptians from Egypt. This occurrence would have led to many Yoruba claiming that their ancestors were chased from somewhere in the Middle East for not accepting Islam. In Yoruba land, people have been living for thousand of years. Hence the Ifes claim 90 “kings” before the advent of Oduduwa! I don't know the exact numbers of Oonis that have ruled in Ife, but they're not less than 50 with Oduduwa being the first of them. So, Oduduwa met other Yorubas who have migrated here before him. Those that says Oduduwa came from Ekiti/Okun axis are not totally wrong as that's the route he took to Ife when he was coming from Egypt. If you're talking about the Yoruba account of the creation of the universe, yes, but the person of Oduduwa, the First Ooni of Ife didn't fall from the sky. 1 Like |
Re: Lagosians R In Trouble! One Secret About Lagos U Don't Know_radio Biafra by italo: 8:11am On Aug 30, 2015 |
Ichiato: Ogiso Owodo was his father. I don't know exactly why he was banished...but it was a result of power struggle...and it was unjust. |
Re: Lagosians R In Trouble! One Secret About Lagos U Don't Know_radio Biafra by italo: 8:15am On Aug 30, 2015 |
laudate: I'm sorry. Anyone can claim to be classmates of Oba Akenzua's kids. That is no proof anything. |
Re: Lagosians R In Trouble! One Secret About Lagos U Don't Know_radio Biafra by italo: 8:21am On Aug 30, 2015 |
Ichiato: I don't know. Yoruba inaccuracies are to much for any of their accounts to be taken seriously. If you dunno where Oduduwa came from, how can you then say with certainty that he was not from Benin? |
Re: Lagosians R In Trouble! One Secret About Lagos U Don't Know_radio Biafra by italo: 8:41am On Aug 30, 2015 |
otr1: Everything in your Oduduwa story is too ambiguous to be taken serious. You say he came to Ife between 2000bc and 40bc or something like that. A space of thousands of years. You say there have been nothing less than 50 Oonis. Meaning there could have been thousands of Oonis. And these ambiguities are from only you. What if I add the other Yoruba accounts which are totally different from yours. Yorubas can't even agree if Oranmiyan was Oduduwa's son or grandson or great grandson. The Benin account is far more direct and credible. They have had 31 Ogisos and 39 Obas and can name all of them with timeline from 40bc till date. |
Re: Lagosians R In Trouble! One Secret About Lagos U Don't Know_radio Biafra by Ovamboland(m): 9:40am On Aug 30, 2015 |
Whao! You are so on point . You know the Yoruba history so well. Good. Since you have said the Benin is far more direct and credible.....I agree.The Oduduwa story is too ambiguous to be taken serious as you said, okay, we have heard you Prof. So what is the conclusion? italo: |
Re: Lagosians R In Trouble! One Secret About Lagos U Don't Know_radio Biafra by italo: 10:27am On Aug 30, 2015 |
Ovamboland:All my posts are the conclusion. |
Re: Lagosians R In Trouble! One Secret About Lagos U Don't Know_radio Biafra by Ubenedictus(m): 10:38am On Aug 30, 2015 |
wytecat:eko is not a contraction. Eko is a camp specifically a war camp it is word of its own. The ancient binis had many eko, the present day lagos is just one of them, there is also ekosodin, i.e eko osodin, the war camp of osodin that was tasked with protecting d capital. |
Re: Lagosians R In Trouble! One Secret About Lagos U Don't Know_radio Biafra by Khd95(m): 10:47am On Aug 30, 2015 |
Let Nnamdi himself come down to Nigeria nd feel the heat ni...rather than lead hopeless set of mumus to nothin. If u want biafran,pack ur thins nd vacate Nigeria... |
Re: Lagosians R In Trouble! One Secret About Lagos U Don't Know_radio Biafra by Nobody: 11:01am On Aug 30, 2015 |
italo:Bro there are bound to be inaccuracies in history that were majorly passed down orally. The benin history is no exception to this as the number of ogisos that ruled is still in debate, even the period of their reign is also in debate. The fact that the the yorubas don't known exactly where he came from does not mean they can't say were he didn't come from. The yorubas know his father to be lamurudu and he also had three brothers I think but I can't really remember their names now. He was the head of an invading force from the east not some banished prince. I'm still wandering how a banished prince could ever walk into an unknown area or town and be made king all of a sudden. Lastly please tell me why the title of ogiso was set aside for oba? |
Re: Lagosians R In Trouble! One Secret About Lagos U Don't Know_radio Biafra by otr1(m): 11:07am On Aug 30, 2015 |
italo:Nothing is ambigious here. Ife had 90 kings before Oduduwa. And with Oduduwa being the first Ooni- also the title of Osiris of Egypt- we've had not less than 50 of them. I believe the Ifes know the number of their Oonis till date. The Binis account should be more direct because it's much more recent- even me, I know the names of my ancestors passed down orally, up to the 3rd century. You expect me to give an exact date of Oduduwa arrival at Ife? Sorry, we didn't use this dating system- which most certainly doesn't even exist at the time of Oduduwa. We can only tell by the events that took place at the time and that's what I did- even the current dating system got the birthday of Jesus Christ wrong. I belive and hope, with carbon dating on their relics we'll be able to ascertain the period in time. Oranmiyan is the youngest grandson of Oduduwa, so there's no confusion about that. Take it serious or not, it's unthinkable that Ife, where the Yoruba kingship blossomed, would have copied from Benin. This is most evident when we consider the facts that: * The name, Oba (the Edo word for king), is copied from the Yorubas. * The heads of the Obas of Benin were taken to Ife, until very recently. The place where the heads of the Obas of Benin were buried is still called “Orun Oba Ado”, “the heaven of the kings of Benin”. * The Binis normally take permission from the Ooni, to crown new kings. There is no recorded history that the Oonis took permission from the Binis before getting crowned * The official language in the court of the Oba of Benin until 1934 was Yoruba. There was no time that Bini language was spoken in Ife. Ekaladerhan name exists in very little, if at all it exists, in the oral tradition of any of the Bini neighbors. There has been no relevant oral tradition among any of their neighbours that can recognize Ekaladerhan or identify him as Oduduwa. So, the Ife claim concerning Oduduwa seems to be more tenable. All the sources agree that Ogiso Owodo, the father of Ikaladerhan, was a weak "king". How can someone who had just been pardoned by executioners became an Oba in another "Country"? The civilization in Igodomigodo (Benin of the Ogisos) was quite low compared to that of Ife. How could someone coming from a far less civilized society establish a magnificent kingdom in a much more civilized polity? Archaeological evidence about the Ogiso period had not shown any magnificent civilization. The alternative Bini version that Ikaladerhan died at Ughoton and was buried there makes more sense. 3 Likes |
Re: Lagosians R In Trouble! One Secret About Lagos U Don't Know_radio Biafra by Ubenedictus(m): 11:27am On Aug 30, 2015 |
2sex:even the oba of beni has said it severally that d stool of ife and oyo are from a bini prince, he was supported by oba akiolu of lagos who also confirmed that the lagos stool is also from a bini prince |
Re: Lagosians R In Trouble! One Secret About Lagos U Don't Know_radio Biafra by Ubenedictus(m): 11:29am On Aug 30, 2015 |
wytecat: oshiomhole is NOT a yoruba name as mr oshiomhole is not a yoruba man. Estako don't speak yoruba and have no direct yoruba interaction but you prefer to spead silly explanations dat make no sense, so oshiomhole now means osho imule, genius diety. Sorry dear d name is oshiomhole not oshoimule. |
Re: Lagosians R In Trouble! One Secret About Lagos U Don't Know_radio Biafra by 2sex(m): 11:31am On Aug 30, 2015 |
Ubenedictus:why did Bini king change name from Ogiso to Oba? Answer me. |
Re: Lagosians R In Trouble! One Secret About Lagos U Don't Know_radio Biafra by 2sex(m): 11:33am On Aug 30, 2015 |
Ubenedictus:this is what you get when you stupidly try to use English to Interprete a dialect. No mind that thing. 1 Like |
Re: Lagosians R In Trouble! One Secret About Lagos U Don't Know_radio Biafra by Ubenedictus(m): 11:51am On Aug 30, 2015 |
wytecat:who told u bini didnt conquer anything? U nid to read up, d present day edo, delta, lagos, parts of ogun, öndon, ekiti were all under d oba of bini. Go and read up |
Re: Lagosians R In Trouble! One Secret About Lagos U Don't Know_radio Biafra by Ubenedictus(m): 12:04pm On Aug 30, 2015 |
2sex:dat one is simple. When oranmiyan came to edo, he brought along the title and addressed himself as oba instead of ogie. That act among others divided d royal family. Oranmiyan children kept d title oba. 1 Like |
Re: Lagosians R In Trouble! One Secret About Lagos U Don't Know_radio Biafra by Ubenedictus(m): 12:08pm On Aug 30, 2015 |
2sex:ofcuz, d binis got d title oba from d yorubas, and d lagos got their oba from bini. |
Re: Lagosians R In Trouble! One Secret About Lagos U Don't Know_radio Biafra by Ubenedictus(m): 12:19pm On Aug 30, 2015 |
kingreen:yoruba dont crown bini, the bini have a chief in charge of that. Stop lying. Yorubas never crown bini. |
Re: Lagosians R In Trouble! One Secret About Lagos U Don't Know_radio Biafra by Ubenedictus(m): 12:33pm On Aug 30, 2015 |
wytecat:tell d person to name 1 etsako tribe that speak yoruba. I hate liars. Older binis dont speak yoruba unless d lived in yoruba land. Older bini people speak bini albit more complete bini. Lastly bini is not like weak oyo that was felled by nupes. Beni never felled until d british expendition. So ibo never pushed bini people out of bini. The bini people of modern day beni and their ancestors have lived in bini for thousands of years. D itsekiris migrated from bini in search of more water, d esan migrated under oba eware's cruel regim, d ibo of onicha folowed a guy they call eze chima. Part of oondo migrated with another chief. Ibos never reach bini in war until d biafra civil war. |
Re: Lagosians R In Trouble! One Secret About Lagos U Don't Know_radio Biafra by Ubenedictus(m): 12:40pm On Aug 30, 2015 |
otr1:the yorubas do not own d binis. Sorry to burst ur bubble. |
Re: Lagosians R In Trouble! One Secret About Lagos U Don't Know_radio Biafra by flowfury(m): 1:38pm On Aug 30, 2015 |
kingreen: hehe... na epilepsy dey worry this one o, mumu its obvious dat u didn't finish nursery school i can't even make a meaning from what u jst posted with all your grammatical blunders.i won't go hard on you cos you are an amateur. and fucking go back to school!!! |
Re: Lagosians R In Trouble! One Secret About Lagos U Don't Know_radio Biafra by otr1(m): 4:42pm On Aug 30, 2015 |
Ubenedictus:Tell me more. I'm ready to take you on |
Re: Lagosians R In Trouble! One Secret About Lagos U Don't Know_radio Biafra by wytecat: 6:52pm On Aug 30, 2015 |
I'm not going to ask him anything cos it just ain't worth it. You guys are full of lies and would shift the goal post if I oblige you in anyway, just as your questions have been answered but none of you have answered a simple question directed at you. The Etsako man knows what he talks about every time, and saying some villages speak Yoruba must be true. The rest of your post is just to defend yourselves, which isn't cutting in, if a non-partisan panel were to examine both of our theories, mine is more believable. Ubenedictus: |
Re: Lagosians R In Trouble! One Secret About Lagos U Don't Know_radio Biafra by wytecat: 7:01pm On Aug 30, 2015 |
Anyone suffering from inferiority complex can write anything, and I don't read garbage. Your only saving grace is that Yoruba took this long to take you guys seriously after taking for jokes for so long. Bini never conquered any town, if there was anyone, it was Yoruba that conquered Bini, and you can see that today. Ubenedictus: |
Re: Lagosians R In Trouble! One Secret About Lagos U Don't Know_radio Biafra by wytecat: 7:22pm On Aug 30, 2015 |
Oshiomole may not be a Yoruba, but the name is exclusively a Yoruba name. Someone had already explained what it means here, and it happens to be the Yoruba meaning, and since we don't speak the same language, and you always use our language, I'm going with what we already know. You are the one pooping on yourself to change what is settled. Bini has always been a land and part of our history as an extension of Yorubaland but, with missing puzzles about the original owner cos the current occupants are not the historical people of Ile Bini who spoke and still speak Yoruba, they are now the Itsekiri and Olukunmi. Every Yoruba will always see Bini as a land which the aborigines were pushed out. Ubenedictus: |
Re: Lagosians R In Trouble! One Secret About Lagos U Don't Know_radio Biafra by wytecat: 7:43pm On Aug 30, 2015 |
Spare yourself the anguish by telling us what these words mean.It's simple isn't it. Camp = War = I'll give it to you for at least taking a shot at it after 5 days though. You have Ekosodin = Eko of sodin So, why is Eko in Lagos not Eko of Awori or Ijebu, was it an uninhabited land they conquered? How were they able to differentiate between this Eko and all the other very many other Eko? Ekosodin is just one word, and the "Eko" in it is burrowed from Yoruba just like other things. When people travel and see what they like they name it. There's Lagos town in Accra, and it doesn't belong to Nigeria. EKO is exclusively Yoruba, and so it shall remain. Ubenedictus: |
Re: Lagosians R In Trouble! One Secret About Lagos U Don't Know_radio Biafra by Ovamboland(m): 9:06pm On Aug 30, 2015 |
Good', then you shall become a crown prince of this domain.It shall no longer be necessary to argue. Lagos is now yours as a crown prince. I confer on you the title of Eze-Ode of Lagos. Congratulations!!! may your reign be long. I rest my case. italo: |
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