Sweetlemon:


Where you went wrong was calling all of us Ibibios. We are NOT ibibios mbok. Yes we are related, yes we are family, yes we are under one umbrella. Just that we don't have any umbrella name like the Yorubas, Igbos, Hausaa call themselves. Calling all of us Ibibios is like calling all Yorubas Ijebus. That's sacrilege!
So you understand what I'm trying to say now huh?

TheSonOfMark:

Ibibios, Efiks and, to a large extent, Annangs get along fairly well. Yes, we Ibibios have some cast-in-cement stereotypes about the Annangs but they are harmless.
The troubleshooters? The Orons. They have this siege mentality. They always compare themselves to the Ibibios.
Here's to put things in perspective: There are are 31 L.G.As in Akwaibom State.
18 LGAs are peopled by Ibibios.
8 LGAs are Annangland.
5 LGAs are Oro Nation.
It's only normal that Ibibios have dominated the affairs in the state. What's more? Ibibioland produces oil and Ibibios are the most educated!
I really didn't want to jump into this fray but I had to.

fratermathy:



Why cant you be sane enough to make points without attacking someone's personality? Im I an Ibibio or an Efik person? Is it now a crime to research and document tribes I love? Must you insult me?

I cant speak any of these languages and all I wrote are research based. Whether Efik, Anaang, Ibibio, Ibeno, all I know is that they are one people of same stock. If you disagree, you can troll off. If you know so much about your people why haven't you written a thread on them before now? I am showing off your people to the world and you are insulting me. Chei.

That said, my research says Efik is a DIALECT of Ibibio. If you don't agree with whatever I wrote, write a counter-thread. Dont come to my thread and insult my person. No one has a monopoly of insults.

kmariko:


A poorly researched paper presented as a truism is worst than an insult.. What you have done as a non-ethnic "citizen" is to insult a whole group of people because of your poor research. Scratch this paper and start all over again.

nigerianvenom:


Do u know why they are marginalised? Its because till tomorrow they can never agree that they are akwa ibomite nor have anything to do with akwa ibom state. u dont reap where u dont sow.
Imagine what d foool above quoted me to say... Saying that if he sees me that he'll stab me at d heart. Just imagine such hatred for my opinion expressed, it goes ti show u how a typical oronian is.
Comparing larry esin who is not known to have attained any height to udom emmanuel who resigned as an ED in one of the best banks in west africa, is that not stupiddity?
Until oronian accept the fact that they are akwa ibomite, they'll remain where they.
Go through the guys post

fratermathy:


My research is as good as any other. Google Ibibio and its linguistic clusters and Dialects. I have nothing to say on your various cultures and ethnicities. My argument is on linguistic exclusivity and mutual intelligibility.

TheSonOfMark:

Ibibios, Efiks and, to a large extent, Annangs get along fairly well. Yes, we Ibibios have some cast-in-cement stereotypes about the Annangs but they are harmless.

The troubleshooters? The Orons. They have this siege mentality. They always compare themselves to the Ibibios.

Here's to put things in perspective: There are are 31 L.G.As in Akwaibom State.

18 LGAs are peopled by Ibibios.

8 LGAs are Annangland.

5 LGAs are Oro Nation.

It's only normal that Ibibios have dominated the affairs in the state. What's more? Ibibioland produces oil and Ibibios are the most educated!

I really didn't want to jump into this fray but I had to.

effty:
OP, never yu dare call an Oron (Oro) man an Ibibio. If u do, I won't be able to quantify the harsh words u will get.
Oro is a distinct entity with close affinity with d Efiks. To call Oro a part of d Ibibios is d height of insult. Ask any Ibibio person living close to u.

peeparty:
Well articulated @ op.....

# proudoronman#proudakwaibom#Dakaada.#

kmariko:


Exactly my point, relying solely on Google without mutual interaction with the subjects lends to unmitigated errors though unintended is seen by the subjects as insults. Wanna write about someone ..talk to them first

kmariko:


Exactly my point, relying solely on Google without mutual interaction with the subjects lends to unmitigated errors though unintended is seen by the subjects as insults. Wanna write about someone ..talk to them first

Sweetlemon:


Soooooo annoying! What stops them from doing a lil research before creating threads?

xreal:

That's one bad thing about this computer age - copy and paste [s] anything they come across on the internet [/s].

fratermathy:



I talked to people and read books. I talked to scholars on Ibibio /Efik studies at the University of Uyo. They all agree that Efik/Ibibio are members of the Akwacross linguistic cluster of which Ibibio is the proto language.

fratermathy:


That's now what I said and the insults I'm getting is unjustified. If these people claiming to be language police can research so well, why haven't they written threads to make their points and uplift their language?

My claim is that Eket, Oron, Efik, etc all belong to the same Ibibio or Akwacross language family of which Ibibio is scholarly recognised as the proto language. I am not speaking on their ethnicities or culture but on their language only. It is an academic fact that even Efik/Ibibio students of UNICAL and UNIUYO know.

Sweetlemon:


You talked to NOBODY! You just went to google cos you were in a hurry to make FP. Take correction, take this very insulting and misinformative thread down and do a better homework.

fratermathy:


I just don't get how this Oron and Ibibio argument started. Mr Sowell28 please stop derailing MY THREAD. If you want to argue callously, OPEN YOUR OWN THREAD.


Thank you.


Oron and Ibibio are ONE!

kmariko:


You cannot divorce language from culture. It is essentially what defines it in the broader sense

christemmbassey:
my frcend why are you like this? How much did they pay u? U must be very wicked to distort wikipedia.. Do u know what is research? How can u copy and paste a part of wikipedia, remove very relevant infos about Oron people and came up with this poisonous concoction and call it research. Pls google 'ORON PEOPLE' and get informed. Efik is not Ibibio, ibibio is not Efik, icibio is not Oron, Oron is not Ibibio. Annang is not Ibibio. Stop spreading falsehood. Any notice close among them affinity is as a result of being neigbours for a very long time.. Be warned.

naijaguy77:




Are you sick? Since when did Oron people become Ibibio? And since when did Oro language or even Efik language become an Ibibio dialect?

Just consider the following facts:

1) Oro people speak oro language, they also generally understand Efik language but only because the bible was first translated into Efik, so the missionaries used Efik to spread the gospel. Even in the most rural parts of Oro, people can understand efik, but ibibio is some irritating sound that no one relates to.

2) Ibibio is a dialect of Efik, not the other way around. Efik is the main language, it is understood by everyone, Efiks, Oros, Ibibios, Anangs, etc. The Efik bible is what is used from Ikot Ekpene to Ikot Ansa, so I wonder which alternate universe you live in where Ibibio is a language and Efik is a dialect?

3) What are the characteristics of a language, as opposed to a dialect? Efik is studied in university, Efik has poetry and artistic music from Inyang Nta Henshaw to Peter Effiom, plays and playwrights, literary luminaries, Professors of Efik language such as E.N. Amaku, Efik alphabets and etymology. Jesus, what is ibibio? Ibibio is a barbaric dialect of the efik language.

Comparing Efik and Ibibio is like comparing Queens Engligh to Pidgin English, just because more idiots speak pidgin English doesn't make it the language, it is still the sub-language/dialect of proper English.

Maybe becuase you have started getting some oil money (which you don't even produce a drop of oil, oil is produced by Oros, Ibenos, and Obolos) and you are no longer houseboy and housegirl, you think you can come on nairaland and denigrate other people's culture and language? You better think again.

The Ibibios, up until recently, have been something of 2nd class citizens in that region. Because they live in the hinterland (despite being in a predominantly Riverine/coastal region) , they had the following misfortunes:

1) The Efiks and Oros are coastal people and their main commodity during the slave trade era were ibibios. They sold ibibios to Europe slave traders and this led to the generally perception of the ibibios as inferior. Since they had no access to the coast and were mere commodity.

2) During the colonial and missionary era, the Europeans first settled in the coast - Lagos, Calabar, Oron etc. Because of this, Education and Administrative generally went to people from the coastal regions, hence the reason why you find the oldest schools in these areas - Hope Waddell Training Institute Calabar, Methodist Boys High School Oron, St. Patrick's College Calabar, Kings College Lagos, etc. Because of this, the ibibios had no access to Education until the late 20th century. This naturally placed them at a disadvantage to the Efiks and Oros, who are coastal people and had earlier interaction with Europeans, embraced western education early, etc.

Today, you see jokers come on the internet to proclaim a barbaric dialect as a language. Can you tell us even one seminal work done in the ibibio dialect? None. You think a sound is considered a language because it is chanted by numerous monkeys?

What a joke.

The main language of the Lower Cross River Basin is EFIK. The dialects of Efik include Ibibio and Anang. Some related languages to Efik are Oro and Ibeno.

fratermathy:



Yes that's true sire. However, in this case you know that these people are not only lingustically similar . However my argument stands still upon linguistics which is my Forte. These tribes are of the same linguistic cluster. Do you disagree?

JohnSowell25:
If you used the name "Akwacross,that would be much better. it's just like saying Norwegian/Finnish instead of Nordic or Scandinavia. Norwegian,Swedish,Dannish and Finnish are linguistic neighbors just like Oron,Ibibio,Annang and Efik. Norwegian,Danish and Finnish are much more similar .Swedish is exclusive and a little bit different in that group.

Sweetlemon:

Now you are talking. This is how you should have put it from the begining. We are similar, in fact we are a group. BUT we don't have an umbrella name that unifies us a a people like the way Igbos, Yorubas and Hausas do. So we are NOT Ibibios.

fratermathy:



Then the term I used should be faulted. What I hate is people insulting my person. I never expected it from this people at all, I swear.

sonnie10:


Bros you go school! Op is not really informed on the topic.

My hypothesis is that Ibibio is a blend of Efik and Igbo but predominately by Efik. I speak and write Efik, Igbo and Ibibio well and as such, have noticed lots of similarities. This similarities can not be regarded as mere coincidence.

I will attempt to list some words that have same meaning in the three languages and then any one can make his/her conclusion.

1) Vulture: Efik/Ibibio- Utere while in Igbo- Udele
2) Bottle: Efik/ Ibibio- Ekpeme while in Igbo - Ekpem
3)Money: Ibibio - Okpoho while in Igbo - Ego or Okpoho
4)Plate : Efik/ Ibibio- Usan while in Igbo (Abriba)- Usan
5) Masquerade: Efik/ Ibibio - Ekpo/Ekpe while in Igbo- Ekpo/ Ekpe
6) Tropical star cherry fruit: Efik/Ibibio - Urari while in Igbo -Udara
7)Spoon : Efik/Ibibio - Ikpang While in some- Igbo Ikpang
Clothing: Efik/ Ibibio- ofong while in some Igbo - Ofong
9) Female: Efik / Ibibio - Nwan while in Igbo-Nnwayi
10) Drinks or wine: Efik/Ibibio - Mmin, while in Igbo - Mmie
11) Pigs : Efik/ Ibibio - Edi while in Igbo- Ezi
12)Stock fish: Efik/ Ibibio Okporoko, while in Igbo-Okporoko

There are countless more but let me stop here. Pardon some of my spelling but feel free to contest any of these.

fratermathy:



I talked to people and read books. I talked to scholars on Ibibio /Efik studies at the University of Uyo. They all agree that Efik/Ibibio are members of the Akwacross linguistic cluster of which Ibibio is the proto language.

Sweetlemon:


Because you committed sacrilege dammit! Take correction and take this dumb asss thread down!

TheSonOfMark:

If you truly conversed with scholars in the University of Uyo, you would have been told that the Orons are linguistically distinct.
Ibibios, Efiks and Annangs do not understand Oron Language.

fratermathy:



Yes that's true sire. However, in this case you know that these people are not only lingustically similar . However my argument stands still upon linguistics which is my Forte. These tribes are of the same linguistic cluster. Do you disagree?