Joejonah

So the people training our HND holders are their colleagues(HND holders), B. SC, MSc holders

Do you have facts to back this assertion?

My aunt lectures in one of the Federal Polytechnics in Nigeria and she is a PH.D Holder.

OAUTemitayo:

We are talking of the degree programme. Internship is not a prerequisite for medical degree certificate whole IT is a prerequisite for HND certificate.
No more no less

take out internship and the degree is useless

emaculate99:
Only Ph.D holders are allowed to lecture but i have many lecturers who are not Ph.D holders, therefore, your statement is incorrect.

Be it graduate assistant or not, I dont have anything differentiate in as much as the set of people are qualified to lecture university students, they are qualified to lecture university students as against your position that only Ph.D holders can lecture in university.

You are not current with the trend of University education in Nigeria. It's the current minimum requirements to lecture in the University.

And are you saying there is no difference between B. SC and Ph. D?

Brilliant submissions. Weldone guys

Joejonah:


Which technical manpower is business administration students in polytechnics equipped with?

which agricultural knowledge is Banking and finance students empowered with in an agricultural university?

xynerise:
Joejonah



Do you have facts to back this assertion?

My aunt lectures in one of the Federal Polytechnics in Nigeria and she is a PH.D Holder.

Ask your aunt how many professors are in their polytechnic. And be kind to also ask he how many classes she lecture? We know what we are facing here in the polytechnic. Ph. D holders in our school are worshipped.

Joejonah:


You are not current with the trend of University education in Nigeria. It's the current minimum requirements to lecture in the University.

And are you saying there is no difference between B. SC and Ph. D?

You are wrong. There are several lecturers who lecture without PhD in Universities.
You only need a master's degree to lecture. Just that without PhD you will be stagnant as an assistant lecturer

Ehisdan

"In polytechnic hnd degree can easily be gotten than getting a b.sc in the University. In the polytechnic a student can easily buy his/her way to top bland acquire the result but in the University the case is reverse,"..

What do you mean by HND being easy to obtain?

Are you saying only in Polytechnics that "Sorting" is practised?

OAUTemitayo:
which agricultural knowledge is Banking and finance students empowered with in an agricultural university?

Are you saying the polytechnic is just a name that the content is same as in the University? Let's be more rational

ehisdan:
B. Sc is superior in the sense that garbage in garbage out what u are taught is what u know. if you are taught by quack you will be a quack. you can not compare some one that is taught by professor to some one who is taught by an hnd holders.

you painted the whole show as if you have no lecturers in your school that are not PhD holders. Before you can be a lecturer (from lecturer I and above) in your school, Auchi Polytechnic, you must posses a PhD. A lecturer II must possess a master degree or 3 years of solid experience and good honours with an evidence of proceeding to masters. The same principle for lecturer II applies for lecturer III, then why are you saying that you do not have good lecturers compared to universities. Since, polytechnics are governed by a body who gives rules which the schools must follow then we can take this as a standard for other polytechnics. Therefore, we cannot say that lecturers in polytechnics are quack and BSc is superior to HND.

http://www.2015jobsnigeria.com/auchi-polytechnic-academic-non-academic-staff-jobs-vacancies-in-nigeria-2013/

Joejonah:


Are you saying the polytechnic is just a name that the content is same as in the University? Let's be more rational

Sure. If the content is below par, Reputable organisations like KPMG and Nestle food won't place adverts in newspapers requesting for either BSC holders or HND holders for same positions.

OAUTemitayo:
You are wrong. There are several lecturers who lecture without PhD in Universities.
You only need a master's degree to lecture. Just that without PhD you will be stagnant as an assistant lecturer

The assistant lecturer you mentioned aborted your point. You should know assistants are guided and they take orders from someone maybe professors or Ph. D holders. There is nothing like assistant lecturer in the polytechnics

Joejonah:

You are not current with the trend of University education in Nigeria. It's the current minimum requirements to lecture in the University.
And are you saying there is no difference between B. SC and Ph. D?

If Ph.D is the current minimum requirement to lecture in University then why did OAU invite first degree holders for lecturing job in their 2016 vacancy advertisement. I do not know where you got your current minimum (maybe from the Mars).

http://www.oauife.edu.ng/2015/03/vacancies/

Joejonah:


The assistant lecturer you mentioned aborted your point. You should know assistants are guided and they take orders from someone maybe professors or Ph. D holders. There is nothing like assistant lecturer in the polytechnics

You are wrong!
if there is no assistant lecturer in polytechnics, will there be vacancy for assistant lecturer?

http://www.2015jobsnigeria.com/auchi-polytechnic-academic-non-academic-staff-jobs-vacancies-in-nigeria-2013/

OAUTemitayo:
Sure. If the content is below par, Reputable organisations like KPMG and Nestle food won't place adverts in newspapers requesting for either BSC holders or HND holders for same positions.

It's not true. They should have been regulated by same body... Just like NUC is regulating B. Tech and B. SC.

Joejonah:


The assistant lecturer you mentioned aborted your point. You should know assistants are guided and they take orders from someone maybe professors or Ph. D holders. There is nothing like assistant lecturer in the polytechnics

Am trying to tell you that people without PhDs also lecture in the university.
That they take orders from above does not matter.
That is normal in any formal institution.

emaculate99:
You are wrong!
if there is no assistant lecturers in polytechnics, will there be vacancy for assistant lecturers?

http://www.2015jobsnigeria.com/auchi-polytechnic-academic-non-academic-staff-jobs-vacancies-in-nigeria-2013/

Those vacancy are for formalities. What they do actually is to handle courses and are not even monitored by any senior lecturers as it is done in the Universities.

Joejonah:


It's not true. They should have been regulated by same body... Just like NUC is regulating B. Tech and B. SC.

Are you saying international companies like Nestle don't know what they are doing when they accept applications from both HND and BSC holders?

Joejonah:


Those vacancy are for formalities. What they do actually is to handle courses and are not even monitored by any senior lecturers as it is done in the Universities.

Can you prove it is a formality?

Joejonah:

You are not current with the trend of University education in Nigeria. It's the current minimum requirements to lecture in the University.
And are you saying there is no difference between B. SC and Ph. D?

If Ph.D is the current minimum requirement to lecture in University then why did OAU invite first degree holders for lecturing job in their 2016 vacancy advertisement. I do not know where you got your current minimum (maybe from the Mars).

http://www.oauife.edu.ng/2015/03/vacancies/

OAUTemitayo:

Am trying to tell you that people without PhDs also lecture in the university.
That they take orders from above does not matter.
That is normal in any formal institution.

Check that link you will see where they said M. SC holders should apply for chief lecturer. The highest hierarchy in polytechnics ranking. Polytechnics education is really embarrassing....

xynerise:
Ehisdan

"In polytechnic hnd degree can easily be gotten than getting a b.sc in the University. In the polytechnic a student can easily buy his/her way to top bland acquire the result but in the University the case is reverse,"..

What do you mean by HND being easy to obtain?

Are you saying only in Polytechnics that "Sorting" is practised?

I am not saying its only the polytechnic sorting is practiced that is why I used the word easily, meaning it can be practiced in university but on difficult level. a student can easily approach a lecturer who is bsc, msc and hnd holder for anything and these are the main lecturers in the polytechnic but very difficult to approach a professor or a doctor or PhD holder which are main lecturers in the University. I learn a case of a student who bought a gift for his professor and the professor returned the gift. He is well loaded good pay and need no external dirt to ternish his image.

Joejonah:


Those vacancy are for formalities. What they do actually is to handle courses and are not even monitored by any senior lecturers as it is done in the Universities.

You claim it is formalities? That means every advertisement issued by Polytechnics are not to be followed. That means they are players that are playing the general public or an organisation that has no committee that recruit individuals. Or that the formalities will not be strictly followed. Ok! Fine, it is formalities, it is not to be followed, can a primary two student apply for the position of a lecturer and be appointed?

Common, formalities are meant to be followed and are requirements that will be strictly followed to the core.

ehisdan:
I am not saying its only the polytechnic sorting is practiced that is why I used the word easily, meaning it can be practiced in university but on difficult level. a student can easily approach a lecturer who is bsc, msc and hnd holder for anything and these are the main lecturers in the polytechnic but very difficult to approach a professor or a doctor or PhD holder which are main lecturers in the University. I learn a case of a student who bought a gift for his professor and the professor returned the gift. He is well loaded good pay and need no external dirt to ternish his image.

In summary, you are saying corruption is on the higher side in polytechnics?

OAUTemitayo:

Are you saying international companies like Nestle don't know what they are doing when they accept applications from both HND and BSC holders?

They do that out of pity...

Joejonah:


Check that link you will see where they said M. SC holders should apply for chief lecturer. The highest hierarchy in polytechnics ranking. Polytechnics education is really embarrassing....

It is not. You are generalising a problem peculiar to your own school.

emaculate99:
You claim it is formalities? That means every advertisement issues by Polytechnics are not to be followed. That means they are players that are playing the general public or an organisation that has no committee that recruit individuals. Or that the formalities will not be strictly followed. Ok! Fine, it is formalities, it is not to be followed, can a primary two student can apply for the position of a lecturer and be appointed?

Common, formalities are meant to be followed and are requirements that will be strictly followed to the core.

Formalities.... Yes formalities.
That's why employers don't take their graduates seriously.

OAUTemitayo:

It is not. You are generalising a problem peculiar to your own school.

My school is one of the best polytechnic in Nigeria. This kept me wondering what's obtainable in other lower polytechnics.

Joejonah:


They do that out of pity...

Out of pity?
Do you think companies like Nestle, Cadbury and other multinationals use nepotism, partiality and sentimentality to pick and choose their employees? Have you ever wondered why they keep making profits year on year out?
It's because they follow laid down standards in their employment processes which HND holders have been known to pass easily like their BSC counterparts.

Joejonah:


My school is one of the best polytechnic in Nigeria. This kept me wondering what's obtainable in other lower polytechnics.

What is the yardstick for saying your school is one of the best?
Many technical colleges may even be better than your school.

Joejonah:
From the above analysis it could be seen that the difference between HND and B.Sc are so wide that if attempt are made to join both, educational system in Nigeria will crash. Students will no longer take jamb seriously, Greater population of our youths will now be trained by low quality teachers with ill facilities, in tertiary education as many will resort to polytechnic education because of its mode of entry, and it's less rigorous process of training. Theoretical thinking and vast exposure which lead to technological advancement and great innovative ideas will be lacking in them.

Practice without theory is blind and theory without practice is barren. University deals with theory while polytechnic deals with practice. Without theory, practice is going no where and without practice, theory can not materialise. The two are meant to work hand in hand for the technological advancement and innovative idea in the country. The only way that will happen is by equating the two. Saying that theoretical thinking and vast exposure will lead to technological advancement is like saying that Polytechnics have nothing to do in the technological development of the country.

Welldone guys. I'm impressed. Was overwhelmed by the article of one of the contestants. He's a scholar. Others did great too. The rebuttals were classic (actually it's still going on!). Welldone, I really learnt a lot.