Joejonah:


They do that out of pity...

OAUTemitayo:

Out of pity?
Do you think companies like Nestle, Cadbury and other multinationals use nepotism, partiality and sentimentality to pick and choose their employees? Have you ever wondered why they keep making profits year on year out?
It's because they follow laid down standards in their employment processes which HND holders have been known to pass easily like their BSC counterparts.

emaculate99:
International companies do not accept applications from HND and BSc placed on the same platform out of pity but they do it for the purpose of merit. They deal with merit and not certificates. There are a lot of skilled individuals in polytechnics that can compete favourably with university graduates and these is known by them.

"After my HND studies in 1998, I worked with the International Institute of Tropical Agriculture (IITA) Ibadan, as a Research Assistant. During the interview for that position, several BSc graduate applicants from ‘well-known’ universities such as UI, UniLag, OAU-Ile Ife, among others, were interviewed as well, but the big university names associated with those individuals did not save them from relegation, as they say in football parlance. What I am emphasising here is that it is the intellectual quality of the individual, not the institution attended, that often matters. If you know IITA, then you will agree with me that when it comes to staff recruitment, personal merit is the watchword, not merely possessing a HND or BSc degree."


This is an excerpt from a writer who graduated of Polytechnic of Ibadan. This will prove to you that most international companies are interested in your intellectual quality. So they are not interested in your certificate but personal merit.

http://www.gamji.com/article5000/news5935.htm

Joejonah:


Formalities.... Yes formalities.
That's why employers don't take their graduates seriously.

Joejonah:


Is it because most banks don't employ HND holders, that they don't make enough profits? I don't know the relationship of employing HND holders and you making profit in your company.

luxanne:
Hello Sammyscholar

Any question(s) for the debaters?

Joejonah:


If companies are really interested in them and both are accepted in recruitment. Why the debate?? What are you then fighting for?

Joejonah:


If companies are really interested in them and both are accepted in recruitment. Why the debate?? What are you then fighting for?

OAUTemitayo:

You are very wrong. Nowadays banks don't even employ BSC holders because of the salary expectations of BSC holders. They are now employing mostly OND holders as tellers. They are doing this because they have realised that OND holders are capable of doing what the degree holders are doing across the counter at least.

sammyscholar:
Actually, I expected the argument to dwell strictly on how equating the two certificates would improve the technological strength of this country. The subject matter is so sensitive that, if not meticulously handled, would result in, and only revolve around 'dichotomy and discrimination talk' and nothing witty would be learned.

Anyway, Kudos to the debaters.

Joejonah:


Modern slavery right?

emaculate99:
you didn't get i guess. International companies are not interested in the discrimination but Nigerian companies including the public sector are the one fanning this discrimination. The need of this debate is for the Nigerian government and private Nigerian companies to understand and follow the steps of these international companies as merit is what is necessary for technological development and innovative ideas and not mere discrimination of certificates which is not the true measure of one's intellectual capacity.

xynerise:

In summary, you are saying corruption is on the higher side in polytechnics?

Joejonah:


If you don't get into a house, you won't know how it's built. The foreign companies you are talking about think polytechnic In Nigeria is of same standard as could be seen abroad. But Nigerian government and companies knew the oven with which these graduates were baked.

ehisdan:
compared to university whose professor lecturers are over contented with their huge salary and aswell protect their personality

Joejonah:


If you don't get into a house, you won't know how it's built. The foreign companies you are talking about think polytechnic In Nigeria is of same standard as could be seen abroad. But Nigerian government and companies knew the oven with which these graduates were baked.

OAUTemitayo:
We are fighting for the same working condition not employment.
They are being cheated when it comes to salaries and promotions

OAUTemitayo:
If polytechnics students have not been up to standard, this multinationals would have stopped employing them. Multinationals don't joke with their business. No emotions and sentiments.
They are realistic people.

ehisdan:
give honor to whom honor is due and you don't give food meant for lion to a cat. That's what its all about.

ehisdan:
give honor to whom honor is due and you don't give food meant for lion to a cat. That's what its all about.

OAUTemitayo:
You probably don't know that collecting huge salaries is not a yardstick for measuring integrity.
If huge salaries are, political office holders like Dasuki won't be stealing billions meant for arms purchase

Joejonah:


Are they paid what b. SC collects monthly?

ehisdan:
That is political. Every one knows what politics is all about bringing politics into this is out of point. Meanwhile you will agree with me that Dasuki you talking about is not having a good reputation

ehisdan:
That is political. Every one knows what politics is all about bringing politics into this is out of point. Meanwhile you will agree with me that Dasuki you talking about is not having a good reputation

emaculate99:
You should always know that if intellectual capacity is to be measured, many university BSc holders will be cats while many HND holders will be lions. Going by your own assertion, it will be wrong to give a food that belongs to an intellectual lion to an intellectual cat because of his/her certificate. Give honour to whom it is due as a result of his intellectual make up and not his certificate.

ehisdan:
the lion is the bsc while the cat is the HND. The bsc has gotten all it entains to be a lion knowledgeably and intellectually being fed by professors and for HND to attain that level they have to go extra mile(PGD)

emaculate99:
He is only making use of that analogy to prove that huge salary is not a yardstick for good reputation. By saying that Dasuki is "not having a good reputation" then you mean you agree to the fact that huge salary is not a yardstick for good reputation as Dasuki receives good salary and yet he has no good reputation.

luxanne:
Yeah!

Thank you all for making tonight a date.

Scores will be posted in by Fynestboi as soon as he logs back online.

Ehisdan, Joejonah, Emaculate99, OAUTemitayo

Obinoscopy, Ishilove, Xynerise.

ehisdan:
as a professor youbhave self esteem which will make you not to downgrade your self to the level of collecting money from students for grades. This is what am talking about