astute07:


You an apostate.that's just the truth.Try return to Jehovah

Saylawchar:



Can you see what am saying? Calling someone an apostate when you are not supposed to judge another person. I just pity your spiritual life......

MoneypassGod:
By calling him an apostate u just proved his point to be true. Witnesses believe only their religion is righteous and others are doomed, even though they have no proof.

bezimo:
Stay away from those Jehovah witness folks.They pervert the true gospel of Jesus Christ.You would be misguided eventually and miss it if you follow them.I hope you are not one of them.

The likes of Mormon, Jehovah witness, be super careful.

Find a true bible believing and Holy Spirit believing church and worship.

astute07:


Like you do v proof right; y defend someone that knows exactly what m saying.pls mind ur own business

oglalasioux:


A Jehovah's witness will NEVER touch any other bible except the New World Translation which they translated themselves. Their reason is nothing but to twist the lie their own way.

paulGrundy:
Funny

I was not, will not be a JW. You left me with a scripture, let me leave you with a question, can ACCURATE and COMPLETE truth adjust over time?

paulGrundy:


I don't plan on argueing with you, you can't argue facts, you state them. Well since you know, let me drop you with this;

The watchtower originally taught that NO ONE would make heaven, and that heaven is already complete.

It was later changed and stated they were not sure if heaven was complete, hence some can now make heaven.

For over 70 years it was held that the 144,000 were fully assigned by 1935.

"Logically, the calling of the little flock would draw to a close when the number was nearing completion, and the evidence is that the general gathering of these specially blessed ones ended in 1935." Watchtower 1995 Feb 15 p.19

If anyone since 1935 rightfully claimed to be anointed it was as a replacement of a sinful remnant, no longer worthy of heaven.

"For 19 centuries there was only the one calling, the heavenly one, with Jehovah being very selective as to who would serve with his Son to make up the Kingdom government. Many would be invited but only a precious few chosen. (Matthew 22:2, 14) In time the prescribed but limited number of 144,000 would be reached. After this no more would be anointed by holy spirit as witness that they had the heavenly hope, unless, in a rare occurrence, the unfaithfulness of one of the remaining 'chosen ones' made a replacement necessary." Watchtower 1982 Feb 15 p.30

In 2005, it was 70 years since the calling was said to have closed. Since a person cannot become anointed until after their baptism, the youngest of the 1935 anointed would have been around 15 in that year, and so in 2005 the youngest anointed from 1935 were already 85. In 2005, only a very small number of those from 1935 were still alive, and so most partakers would need to be considered replacements.

There are a number of holes it the idea that the heavenly call closed in 1935. [size=20pt]To start with, there is absolutely no Scriptural basis that the calling would close, let alone specifically in 1935 or any other year[/size] (this explains why you avoided my question). None of the Governing Body were even been born before 1935. Furthermore, there has been no decrease in partakers in over 35 years. This led to Watchtower finally admitting that this doctrine never had any basis.

"When does the calling of Christians to a heavenly hope cease? …
On the other hand, as time has gone by, some Christians baptized after 1935 have had witness borne to them that they have the heavenly hope. (Romans 8:16, 17) Thus, it appears that we cannot set a specific date for when the calling of Christians to the heavenly hope ends.
How should a person be viewed who has determined in his heart that he is now anointed and begins to partake of the emblems at the Memorial? He should not be judged. The matter is between him and Jehovah. " Watchtower 2007 May 1 p.31

Check here for more truth: http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/memorial-partakers.php

Centuries of deception at its worst!

paulGrundy:


Aha! Now you are talking, just so you know Jehovah is not Gods name it was derived by combining the Latin letters JHVH with the vowels of Adonai (lord)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah

The Divine Name Brochure p.10, by the Watchtower Society states:

"Even though the modern pronunciation Jehovah might not be exactly the way it was pronounced originally, this in no way detracts from the importance of the name. While many translators favor the pronunciation Yahweh, the New World Translation and also a number of other translations continue the use of the form Jehovah because of people's familiarity with it for centuries."

His name is yahweh. The Jews don't usually pronounce the name, so its pronounciation is unknown.

Secondly the original manuscripts of the new testament was written in greek and there was no record of the usage of Jehovah. But the watchtower still went ahead to include the word while admitting that it was not in the original scriptures. This was their defense.

Proclaimers p.99 claims:

"The conventioners were thrilled to learn that this new translation [NWT] restored the divine name Jehovah 237 times in the main text from Matthew to Revelation!"

The fundamental flaw of the NWT is this insertion of the word Jehovah 237 times into the New Testament. Watchtower justifies this insertion by claiming all known New Testament manuscripts are inaccurate. This is vitally important because such a claim undermines the integrity of the Bible.

Ayodeb:

Apostate!

ableguy:


Awake and watchtower is Jehovah's witnesses and Jehovah's witnesses are owners of the journals.

charlsecy:
Conflicting submissions.

oglalasioux:


You that have searched the scriptures give me just an answer to one of the questions I put up.

Okay. I'll give you time to ask people you think knows the bible if you don't know.

I'm particularly waiting for a Jehovah's Witness answer.

coachwilcox:


It's obvious from your profile that you were a willful unrepentant sinner who thought you could eat from the table of God and the demons. Probably slept with other worldly too while you were at it and the elder and ms you slept will went forth and admitted their errors to the body of elders.

Achorise:
they need help, help them.I was once a member, since I met JESUS my life has changed tremendously. look for a good church to know God better.

Solobenny:
lol. You met Jesus, you met Jesus, you were never a Jw

Achorise:
Don't sound paranoid.You know the so called society controls everything, you dare not ask questions. A boy in ABK eat your communion bread and wine, he's not even a member, just an invitee to memorial service. What do you make out of it bro.I won't condem, but critically examine some of your doctrines objectively.

Memyselfu2009:


Is the pyramid in Egypt also freemason

rottennaija:


Yes and I only accept what the Bible teaches, not what I know have been failing and will continue to fail. That's why I'm making more research in the Bible and other sources, I'm not limiting myself to what the Watchtower teaches anymore, I'm being more like the boreans, I thoroughly search out the scriptures before I accept anything.

Well! Unfortunately with this mindset, I'll never be an elder. But I'll rather not be an elder than be carried away by every wind of teaches and teach people what I do not believe in. I don't want anyone to break my heart tomorrow when they will come out and say, "well jesus evidently referred to this generation as having 3 overlapping generation" or perhaps now refer them to worldly people.

Solobenny:
lol. You met Jesus, you met Jesus, you were never a Jw

rabzy:


Paul Grundy most witnesses are not people who just wake up one day and just entered a hall and then became witnesses, it took months, for most years of learning and learning. So these snippets of yours are just not enough. Your jwfacts are most times not factual. So don't quote them like they are some Bible.

Now about God's name and not just God's name alone all Hebrew names are written without the verbs, just the consonants are written, but speakers or readers fill in the gap as the read because they know the names.

But because of Jewish superstitions, they stopped pronouncing God's name. So the actual way it should be pronounced may not be absolutely definitive as you also mentioned.

So why would you categorically state that his name is Yahweh, we're you there. Yahweh is just another possible way it could have been pronounced.

So from abnitio witnesses have said no one can be absolutely sure how to pronounce it, so what's your grouse. If you prefer Yahweh, fine and good and if you want to put your own vowels into those consonants go ahead and do it. Witnesses never said Yahweh is wrong, they only gave reasons for preferring to use Jehovah. So what bones are you still picking over that.

Now why stick with Jehovah. What do you think these hebrew names are linked to, jehoshaphat, jehu, jehoash, Elijah, abijah, jehoshua/Joshua, jeshaiah and finally Jesus. Do you know the meaning of those names. They are all derivatives of the name Jehovah. Jesus name in Hebrew is actually yeshua or yehoshua which is the same with Joshua.

So if you prefer Yahweh, will you start calling Jesus yeshua too, what about jehoshua, Elijah, jehoshaphat, Jeremiah, abijah, jahzeiah, jehoahaz jehoachin jehoiada jehonadab. What will you do with jehonathan popularly known as Jonathan. These are all names gotten from Jehovah. Well you could start saying Goodluck Yonathan and let's see how far you get.

Now saying you have a grouse with using God's name in the new testament is sheer ignorance. The verses where the NWT puts God's name in the new testament are places where the writers quoted from the old testament and if you check the verses in the old testament God's name was there but was wrongly removed by copysts. We know the original Bible writers of the new testament while quoting the old testament would not have taken out the name. So it's not a case of undermining the integrity of the scriptures, it is about removing superstitious errors of copysts thereby assuring it's integrity.

Lastly even though we are very much proudly associated with the name, it has been used in many bibles before ours, it is still used by many now, and insha Allah the name would be more in use despite enemies efforts to bury it as Jesus said 'I have made your name manifest to the men you gave me'.

kashflynn:
Coachwilcox. Bro I don't know ur name but ur comments with the said sister, isn't biffting as 1 of Jehovah's servant's, hw do you think Jehovah would fill reading ur response with the sister, no matter her error, or what she has done. Jehovah God and his son Jesus christ still has her at heart and wishes the strayed flocks finds her way to Jehovah flock ones again.. Don't forget d admonition of Apostle Paul to in sighting one another to fyn works.

dumo1:

Bros u were not the one I quoted so Pls i beg you carry your wahala and your myopic mind to your village. Your comments haven't been useful to this thread. why so much hatred?

Omagzee:
I attended the event too. I attend kingdom Hall meetings sometimes too and i am quite familiar with J.W doctrines.
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Abeg oooo, nobody mentioned Russel's miracle wheat seeds oo, nobody mentioned the fact that he was a divorcee, and the way he was treating his of wife was very contrary to bible standards which states that husbands and wives should submit to each other...hmmmmm.....
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He had a soft for mason. What of all the false prophecies? What of the one made by Russel himself which didnt come to pass?
Why are other christain organisation labelled false when clearly JW was built on falsehood? Did Russel made a claim which didnt come to pass? Yes he did!
He lost a lot of followers due to that prophesy which never came to pass.
And someone will tell me "we have amended our doctrines because our understanding of the bible has changed" . Lols. Why mend it? Shey watch tower say na una una church Holy spirit dae? (where is that in d bible)
Didnt watchtower state clearly that the Holy spirit "was only present in God's true earthly organisation (i.e JW)" and that all other christain organisation, was of the devil and which means the absence of the Holy spirit?
Where is that in the bible?
And if truely the organisation was inspired by the Holy spirit, then Russell's and some of the other prophecies would have come to pass....hmmmmm!!

I love J.W and i'll keep attenting meetings when i like, but i can never take some craps cus i no be dundy!!!
You have seen any prophecy fulfilled? Matthew 24:19? Instance

okitz4:

if you are sincere enough, u will see that despite the falsehood spread by you & ur likes in this thread, Witnesses have remain calm,trying to answer your questions with well chosen words, u can attest to the fact that you haven't seen any JW insult anybody, this distinct behavior alone speaks volume of what they learn and practice... am not angry with you, why should I? I meet your likes virtually everyday of my life, ......u amaze me, non Witnesses partake of these things virtually everyday in their places of worship, he's partaking of the bread and wine is just the results of sheer ignorance, Brother be sincere with your self, look through out the world, some set of pple tries their best to follow Bible teachings, the practice it and live by it, which oda set does dat except Witnesses?
check our lifestyle, the love practiced in the fold...u sure know the truth, u will agree with me that in imperfect world like dis, 1or 2 person can err or misbehave, but in generality we practice what we teach, just be truthful broda,

I think your oda questions has long been answered in this thread

coachwilcox:



Im surprised you have so much information about witnesses and our present and past publications plus the apostate website jwfacts from where you draw all your information from.

You offer no alternative or better solution/doctrine or teachings better than what witnesses have to offer. You're obviously an apostate who

1. Was raised a witness and began to go back to the things behind.
2. Was disfellowshipped for wrongdoing and rather than repent and be reinstated have embarked on a campaign to discredit witnesses.
3. Fell in love with a witness girl and because she refused to marry you for not being a witness, you were left heartbroken and embarked on this campaign of hate.

All you do is dig into adjustments in scriptural understanding over the years and highlight it forgetting that even the early apostles had to reason from the scriptures on issues like circumcision and the likes for better understanding.

Catholics, Pentecostal churches and all regularly promote and practice unscriptural teachings and celebrations respectively THAT ARE NOT EVEN IN THE BIBLE at all but when a witness adjusts thinking on certain matters you copy and paste this to discredit witnesses.

Well. i leave you with peters word in 2 Pet 2:1-3
However, there also came to be false prophets among the people, as there will also be false teachers among you. These will quietly bring in destructive sects, and they will even disown the owner who bought them, bringing speedy destruction upon themselves.2Furthermore, many will follow their brazen conduct, and because of them the way of the truth will be spoken of abusively.3Also, they will greedily exploit you with counterfeit words. But their judgment, decided long ago, is not moving slowly, and their destruction is not sleeping.

XaintJoel20:

You wouldn't have the "time" to "read" it because it's revealing and brought out many flops in your belief and doctrine.
I am disappointed in you, reasons being that I hold Jehovah's Witnesses in high esteem due to their vast knowledge of the Bible, but you have turn out to be a poor student...

irunooboo:



i was a regular pioneer before i slept with the elder and MS. but now i hate JW and kingdom hall

oglalasioux:


I believe you are using good and substandard products to depict my argument for religion.

Please fix as appropriate;

Catholic
Methodist
Anglican
Church of Christ
Seventh Day Adventist
Church of Christ of Latter Day Saints
Olumba Olumba
Celestial Church of Christ
Redeemed Christian Mission
Believers Love World
Jehovah's Witnesses
The Lord's Chosen


Help me categorize the above according to good and substandard (I'll come up with more).

Then you check bible translations;

Good News Version
King James Version
New world Translation
Revised Standard Version
New Jerusalem Bible
The Living Bible etc

Please explain why they should be different versions of a holy book. The only obvious answer is that it's a forgery. But let me wait for your answers.

paulGrundy:




What of the one where they said that in 1919, Jesus made an invisible appearance on earth and then chose the WT as his mouth piece. This doctrine is still believed and taught till today.

paulGrundy:


That is not JW's website, but that site provides an accurate and all side view of the society, compared to jw.org which is very myopic.