omonnakoda:
You explain God's existence. This is a failure of logic. The claim is God Must exist because existence must have come from somewhere. Well that line of reasoning requires that God too came from somewhere and so on and so on. God was created by Man in Man's image

What makes you think your petty understanding of nature also applies to God?

SirWere:
So you attack a group of people of whom you know nothing about and when challenged by a member of such a group, "you don't fucking care"

Typical, really typical.

Ogbeni Koshi! O ni point.

Dekatron:
Hahn..... Johnydon22..... Shollyps ..... Here we go....

lol....silly thread as usual...... from all the comment I read ....I see bitterness all over the Christians.... they are pained that people doesn't believe in their imaginary friend......

Isomerizm:
there's nothing like juju.

lolz then u have to visit Ile-ife

ElCount:
OP nice write up, hope they can rethink their stand. I can't believe a scientist after going to space and witnessing the degree of organization and exactness on display will still come back and say it all happened by chance.

I mean when someone enters a room and finds the room organized and tidy the person would ask who is responsible and not what expanded or exploded

Do you even read

omonnakoda:
You explain God's existence. This is a failure of logic. The claim is God Must exist because existence must have come from somewhere. Well that line of reasoning requires that God too came from somewhere and so on and so on. God was created by Man in Man's image

So who created man, if man created God, Why cant man create man, virtually all vital organs can undergo transplant, if it was all about the physical being. Our existence is supernatural cos its unexplainable by natural and physical laws.

CaptainBomb:
Fvck all atheists. You will meet your lord after this world Bloody Mofos.. So you thing everything came into existence by chance kwa? Once My lord takes away your life.. You can call on your fellow atheists to bring it back if you can. Awon were.

You are irrational as they can possibly come. Not worth any reasonable fellow's time with that uncouth mouth of yours

Sunnycliff:
Psalms 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

here they go again with their baseless personal attacks on those who do not believe in their usual bullshit



With your low current brain, the best you can come up with is to call those who do not believe in your crap fool




You know what ? You're the fool here

nawao for the so called atheist

Dudeweedlmao:
Most atheist (especially on nairaland) are some of the most pretentious and repressed homosexuals i've ever known
The only reason why they believe GOD doesn't exist is because of what the read on the internet.

In a typical athiest mind : "if it is written on the internet or by a white man, then it must be true. "

You should be ashamed to have typed this gibberish,
I didn't expect such from someone who worship a white man's idol.

Isn't it funny that the only reason you believe god exists is because of
the jewish fable you hold in your hands ?

In your mind the white man's bible say god exist therefore
he must.

SMH

CaptainBomb:
Ogbeni Koshi! O ni point.

. Forgive me, I assumed you were reasonable.

Dekatron:
Hahn..... Johnydon22..... Shollyps ..... Here we go....

You missed one! Unless that one has dropped in shallowness of recent.

TPAND:


It's not convincing enough. The write-up is out up by a baby Christian

tank u jaareeeeee

samsard:
You are irrational as they can possibly come. Not worth any reasonable fellow's time with that uncouth mouth of yours

hahahahahahah e pain am.

OLUJOSHINS:
my dear, They will still counter U ooooooo


Almost all atheist love arguing. This is mainly caused by the fact that they are still trying to convince themselves that God does not exist. This has been quite difficult for them due to the fact that every living & non living thing around them is a solid proof that God exist. So when they see these proofs, they start an intensive debate with their inner man & they don't stop till they find a mathematical/scientific fact to support their claim.



Don't argue with them when they start.


Just leave them with this clause: Jesus loves U.

oh atheists love arguing? So who came up with this post? An atheist? To prove that you sky daddy does not exiat?




Just piss off. Nobody is trying to convince anybody about you invisible non existent father

Dottore:
Atheism exists only on the lips. The heart of atheists strongly believe in the existence of God

This is the dumbest thing I've read in a while.

quadrado:
nawao for the so called atheist

Misconceptions brother, all misconceptions...

Dotwillis1:
don't worry yhu will see wen yhu no longer exist

nice response, i hope Oga at d top is seeing ds

otitokoroleti:
if you dont believe that God truly exist, go n suck ur dick. as for me & my household, Oluwa ni awa yio maa sin(worship). A guy on this forum became atheist just because of his health condition(ss genotype) saying that God suppose to makes him perfect.

Wow, I can see the holy spirit is really inspiring you.

Dudeweedlmao:
Most atheist (especially on nairaland) are some of the most pretentious and repressed homosexuals i've ever known
The only reason why they believe GOD doesn't exist is because of what the read on the internet.

In a typical athiest mind : "if it is written on the internet or by a white man, then it must be true. "

coming from an eternal ignorant who worships the god created by white men and brought to him by white men




You Christians are surely the dumbest of human species

Dudeweedlmao:
Most atheist (especially on nairaland) are some of the most pretentious and repressed homosexuals i've ever known
The only reason why they believe GOD doesn't exist is because of what the read on the internet.

In a typical athiest mind : "if it is written on the internet or by a white man, then it must be true. "

That's funny, seeing that you base your life on a book introduced to you by the same "white men".

Since I am a theist, I believe God is one of the concepts that defies human definition, interpretation or analysis, just like fire, which we even see, feel, describe its attributes but can't tell what it truly is.

OP's arguments are valid, but let's take a step backwards.

Why would God hide from his creation?

According to NASA, there are billions of galaxies out there and it would be absurd to say another earth-like planet does not exist elsewhere.

If this is earth on the 3rd dimension, it is plausible that God also created an "earth" on the 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, ... dimensions that supports life.
Besides "life" doesn't have to follow 3rd dimensional earth's specifications to be "life".

Science talks about the big bang, which to me is the point God created, formed "itself".

Then next question is, what triggered the big bang?

Life is a matrix.
You die on earth, you wake up elsewhere from a sleep, only to die and...
life goes on still in a matrix.

There must be someone that maintains order and balance in our universe and biological systems.
Don't tell me things just came to be. If then, don't cut ur hair when it grows or weed ur farm or even send ur child to school.
Allow things to be without maintaining balance and order. Then i will understand how our planet and biological system does not need anyone to maintain it.

Whoever that person is, He is the one we refer to as God.

SirWere:


. Forgive me, I assumed you were reasonable.

Thank you. And with all your Thinking Faculty you still can't reason with your brain that Yes God exist. Oponu jati jati.

sonoflucifer would soon kum n wail now

ONLY A FOOL WILL CONSIDER SUCH MAGNIICIENT AND AWESOME DISPLAY OF SCIENTIFIC AND ARTISTIC PROWESS, AS EVIDENT IN CREATION, A MERE COSMIC ACCIDENT.

You say you have 5 proofs of God's existence? Step aside kid, and let me show you how grown ups do it: here's 300!

http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm

On a more serious note, trying to make the argument for the existence of a (no doubt Christian) deity from the complexity of the world is as lame as it gets from a scientific viewpoint.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreducible_complexity

If it were acceptable to pass such things as "proof" of a Christian deity, they would serve equally well as "proofs" of the existence of Dagon, Amaterasu, Zeus or the Flying Spaghetti Monster. The task Christians (and Muslims) have to face is not just to prove that "God exists", but that the being whose existence they are proving is the one favored by their own particular religion, out of the many thousands of religions which have existed in the historical record alone.

Shollyps:
lol....silly thread as usual...... from all the comment I read ....I see bitterness all over the Christians.... they are pained that people doesn't believe in their imaginary friend......

No sir, we are not pained that you don't believe that God exist, we are surprised at how a grown up adult will believe that nothing created the universe yet everything around him is made from something. How dumb can you get and still breathe?

A new staggering 128 planets were just discovered as announced by NASA today , not the regular 9 planets we used to know, God is great

It depends on the God you referring to because as far as am consern there are thousands of gods and they all exist in the heart of those that believed in them. Atheist till I loose my breath.

Let me try and answer. I'm not an atheist but I also don't believe current religions (mine included) present convincing evidence.

odijeks:
1. God reveals Himself through nature
If you are a nature-lover or have ever taken the time to appreciate the beauty of the natural world around you, you can see the handiwork that points to an incredibly intelligent creator and designer. Look at the beauty of the sunset, the awe you experience watching the earth's polar lights in the sky (aurora), the glory of the night sky with all the stars, the dawning of the day with the blades of grass glistening like diamonds as the sunlight bounces off tiny water droplets of dew, you would ask yourself questions like "would mindless and impersonal physical forces or a chain of chance-like events need or care to make something this beautiful that man can appreciate?" One would have to be willfully ignorant to attribute all the intricacies found in nature to random chaotic events. A close look at nature reveals an intricate level of design that points undeniably to an intelligent Designer (Psalms 19:1-4). Nevertheless, some still live in denial.

When I was young, dark rooms/places used to scare me and give the impression that something ominous was lurking. Was it real? probably not. Yet I sensed or felt something. Years later, as a teen, I stopped being scared, not by prayer, more of a dare that I wanted to see what was there. If they exist, let them come and do their worst. Nothing happened. Nothing has happened. I'm no longer scared of the dark.

The point here is that your feeling about nature's aesthetics is just a side effect of having a brain and sense organs which try to process the environment and fill gaps where they cannot find sufficient explanations. All those scary sounds are usually just winds and tree branches interacting. All those things you assume are intelligent may or may not be so especially given what scientists have found with certain parts of Mammals. Lets not go with the God knows why its like that, the argument here is that we know and feel they are intelligent. Turns out not everything is.

Attributing these things to random events and nature doesn't make one wilfully ignorant or evil, likewise believing in God. We all sense things differently and we haven't even determined which God we are talking about? Yours or mine? Basically, your argument tactic has now gone from appealing to common sense to attacking the reader so they feel like if they don't accept your argument, they are being ignorant or living in denial.

Not a good way to argue 'common, clear to see facts' especially if we are being true to ourselves especially on the issue of God's existence and whether your God is the real one or mine.

odijeks:
2. Our Planet Earth.
The perfection of the Earth in relation to it's support of the billions of life in it never seizes to amaze. Earth is the only known planet equipped with an atmosphere of the right mixture of gases to sustain plant, animal and human life. This is attributed to it's perfect size and corresponding gravitational pull which causes it to be able to hold the right amount of oxygen and nitrogen adequate for life. If the earth were larger, it would contain an unreasonable amount of free hydrogen in its atmosphere. If it were smaller, it may not have an atmosphere large enough to protect the planet from solar and cosmic radiations from space. Still think this is co-incidence ? Let's look at the Earth's position in space as well.

The only known planet. The universe is near infinite. Come back when Scientists have proven that no life exists elsewhere.

odijeks:
NASA places the diameter of our solar system at a humongous 288,000,000,000 km. Dispersed within this wide space are 8 planets (including Earth). The distance from Earth to the sun is at about 150,000,000 km which is the perfect distance for Earth to be inhabitable. If the Earth were any further away from the sun, we would freeze. Any closer and we would burn up. With 8 planets dispersed within such a wide range of our solar system's diameter, you can calculate for yourself the probability of luckily finding a planet at that exact distance from the sun (that is not too far and not too close), then you decide for yourself if we were just ridiculously lucky or it was placed there by intent. Even a fractional variance in the Earth's position to the sun would make life on Earth impossible. The Earth remains this perfect distance from the sun while it rotates around the sun at a speed of nearly 67,000 mph. It is also rotating on its axis, allowing the entire surface of the Earth to be properly warmed and cooled every day.

odijeks:
3. Complexity of living organisms
From all I learned in biology classes, it would require an unreasonable level of faith to believe that highly complex biochemical reactions like oxidation phosphorylation, photosynthesis, enzymatic breakdown of ingested food, our amazing immune system, transmission of nervous impulses through the body, e.t.c, resulted out of mere chance. Even if I came into the world yesterday, I can't look at the twin towers and attribute them to forces of nature, thinking to myself "the wind, after several years, must have pushed all these blocks into place". These are amazingly complex and inter-linked reactions going on in us daily of which I'm sure that the best of scientists can't think up or create such a system so complex and independent. Still, scientists wouldn't admit the intelligence behind these processes. Let's look at blood clot formation for example. The reason why animal's don't bleed out till death after they get a cut is simply because of this complexly designed process. A cascade of events involving 12 different factors ensues when a blood vessel is broken. This linked events all lead to the formation of a clot at the site of bleeding in order to occlude the opening in the vessel. If just 1 of these 12 factors were missing, blood clot formation would be impossible and it would be a normal phenomenon for one to bleed to death after having an accident as minor as a paper cut. Yet all 12 factors (not 7,8 or 11) are currently present in the blood to initiate this reaction when needed. What's even more amazing is that these factors are present in your blood as you read this, yet they don't start forming the clots within the blood vessels because that would potentially kill you. They only initiate this process when you have a cut. That's just amazing if you ask me. This is just an example out of thousands of intelligent systems in nature. Do you really think such systems were built by chance or a highly intelligent being?

Again with the complex and intelligence argument. It is already proven that many of these designs aren't intelligent from our perspective and complexity isn't a requirement for intelligence. Chaos can cause complexity. In fact, from the human perspective, intelligent design wouldn't have us being susceptible to so many diseases but then, we would move to the intent of the creator which again muddles up your argument given that we can't decide the creator in the first place; Yours or mine?Jehovah or Allah or Zeus?

odijeks:
4. Theist Scientists
Most atheists often have this wrong ideology of "God VS Science". This is totally absurd because God himself is a scientist (the best at that) as we've seen in the above mentioned points. God made all scientific and universal laws and was in fact scientific in all his creation. God was actually leaving clues of his existence by showing his brilliance and intelligence in the works of nature and his intent was for man to search them out and acknowledge him (Proverbs 25:2). Many of the smartest human geniuses that have worked the earth were theist. These were really smart people who had knowledge of scientific laws and based most of their works on facts and scientific evidences. Yet, they didn't think it foolish to believe in a superior intelligent being. Why? Because they couldn't help but recognize God's signatures dispersed in the details along the quest of their research works. Some of these theist scientists include: Gregor Mendel, Galileo Galilei, Louis Pasteur, Michael Faraday, Isaac Newton, Blaise Pascal and even famous Albert Einstein to name a few. The more we go deeper in scientific discoveries, the more of God we see. It's however unfortunate and sad that most current scientists have refused to acknowledge this glaring truth (2 Corinthians 4:4)

That x was theist isn't a good argument. There were also geniuses who weren't theist and atheist scientists exist today so this is a terribly flawed point to raise. You also haven't answered whether many of these acted like theists simply because of the order of the day. Atheists couldn't simply go about and say God didn't exist you know? Plus many were born and raised to be theists and it is very difficult to break away from that especially in those days and given the result of all our searches, the truth is that we can't prove or disprove the existence of God so why blab about that? We can simply say Christianity or Islam is wrong about Y which many mistakenly assume is sufficient ground for atheism or theism.

God was leaving clues of his existence? Let me not say anything because you have now raised too many points based on your religion thus leaving the realm of objectivity.

Many brilliant scientists were Muslim, the inventor or Algebra being an example. Does that mean Christianity is false? See why your points need to remain objective rather than subjective when discussing the existence of God with regard to intelligent design and common sense?

odijeks:
5. God exists because he impresses this fact in the heart of men
The bible says the truth of God has been made known to man instinctively, for God put this knowledge in their hearts. Yet, some push the truth away from themselves (Romans 1:18,19). This shows that God made it unavoidable for man to see or feel his existence. God did not leave us to wander alone, aimlessly hoping that somehow we would stumble across the truth, which He intends for us to recognize. God wants us to find Him; therefore, He reaches out to us. Sometimes you wonder why the atheist goes through so much trouble just to discredit the bible or refute the idea that a God he doesn't even believe in exists. The atheist probably doesn't yet realize that the reason the topic of God weighs so heavily on his mind is simply because God is impressing it. God wants to be known. He made man unique from other creatures with the intent that we would seek and know him. He not only surrounded us with evidence of himself but He keeps the question of his existence squarely before us. God is presently nudging the hearts of people so that they might realize their sinful condition, the inevitable coming judgment, and their need of a Savior (John 16:8-11). The underlying reason atheists are bothered by people believing in God is because God is actively seeking them.



I know many atheist would go through this post in order to refute the ideas highlighted, but I'm not here to disprove atheism. I'm just here to cause the reader to really think for himself in an unbiased and neutral manner on these things. Regardless of what you may have heard, the truth the bible teaches is that God intensely loves you unconditionally. He is not going to love you more if you convert to a believer. He already loves you intensely, that's why he was willing to come in form of man and personally receive the punishment on the cross for the sins you've committed in the past or would ever commit in the future (John 3:16; Romans 5:3-8 ). The misconception that God punishes people in hell because they sin or refuse to love him is not the truth of the bible. Rather, the bible teaches that though we are guilty of many sins, God justifies us anyways and gives us eternal life if we accept and receive it through faith in Christ's sacrifice (Romans 5:16). The reason why anyone would go to hell fire is not because of this person's numerous sins. No!, it has been established that everyone (including the Christian) is born a sinner and commits sin. Yet, People are only judged guilty because they refused to receive the justification and eternal life freely given to them by Christ. It would really be shameful and agonizingly regretful to see yourself in hell not because you were morally the worst person on earth, but because you were too prideful to receive the gift of life that was already given to you freely by Christ. Choose life today if you haven't. God loves you.

As I've mentioned earlier, you've become subjective and you've failed to convince anybody yet you've quickly jumped towards subjective arguments to advance the views of your religion. The point of the whole post thus becomes clear and weakens your entire argument.

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SirWere:
I'm surprised by the number of shallow misconceptions about atheism. I thought we had disabused all your minds about them...I'm surprised by the number of shallow misconceptions about atheism. I thought we had disabused all your minds about them...

That's because atheists often confuse themselves with intellectualism.