dankol:


Thanks bro.. but i think you guys are getting me wrong.. If i wanted to leave the church/religion because of the unfortunate events happening, i would have left long ago.. but i came to admit the humanity in our spirituality, hence i ignored all the rubbish, thats why i can tell you all that story. there are other intricate scenerios i would have brought up, but i choose not to. the cause of my leaving religion is based on the scripture inadequacy and the concept of God. that is why i put forward the exerts in blue... See what we are brainwashed to believe as unique about christiandom is actually not true... Dnt worry, my thoughts will help you understand me better, that is if you choose to. mind you, that does not mean you agree with me. Thanks for the invitation, If Jesus loves me, he would have answered my questions..

Did you say leaning on Jesus... i tried it, it got me nothing sir... I am leaning on NO ONE.

dankol:


Q1: Thats the point, just as they lost their relevance like child's play same is happening to christianity
Q2: Bro, sorry to say this, Jesus was actually a made-up historical figure, a compilation of all the aforementioned. There is no record of his existence outside the bible by people of his own time.. if you got one, pls pop it up.. i would gladly want to read such ancient no-biblical reference

Q3: that is the difference between an organized religion riding on political wings and a casual traditional belief just like that.

dankol:


WAIT ... ARE YOU SAYING, THERE ARE NO DENOMINATIONS OR THERE ARE NOT AS MUCH AS CLAIMED? THAT WILL HELP ME ANSWER YOUR QUESTION EFFECTIVELY.
for q1: DO YOU BELIEVE IN OLUMBA OLUMBA AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF GOD TO MANKIND? What do you think of Mormons? Do you believe they know, worship or even believe in what you believe as Christians all of you are as a whole.. infact do you acknowledge that they are christians? if you dont mind, i would like to know the brand of christianity you belong to? it will help me hit the nail on the head better. thanks

dankol:
[b]CHAPTER FIFTEEN
PART TWO CONTNUATIONN
I could not fight it anymore. The bible says, “SEEK AND YE WILL FIND” I went into prayers, sought the face of God, I needed answers, I was desperate to know the truth. I yearn for knowledge, I wanted to hear from him, I want him to assure me. Throughout the time I sought God in prayers, I always sing this hymn, it was my favourite then, “OH JESUS I HAVE PROMISED”. I used to be intruiged by the lyrics of that hymn. Its so powerful only if Jesus would have acted according to it;

O Jesus, I have promised
to serve thee to the end:
be thou ever near me,
my Master and my friend;
I shall not fear the battle
if thou art by my side,
nor wander from the pathway
if thou wilt be my guide.

O let me feel thee near me!
The world is ever near;
I see the sights that dazzle,
the tempting sounds I hear;
my foes are ever near me,
around me and within;
but Jesus, draw thou nearer,
and shield my soul from sin.

O let me hear thee speaking
in accents clear and still,
above the storms of passion,
the murmurs of self-will;
O speak to reassure me,
to hasten or control;
O speak, and make me listen,
thou guardian of my soul.

O Jesus, thou hast promised
to all who follow thee,
that where thou art in glory
there shall thy servant be;
and, Jesus I have promised
to serve thee to the end;
O give me grace to follow,
my Master and my friend.

O let me see thy footmarks,
and in them plant mine own;
My hope to follow duly
is in thy strength alone.
O guide me, call me, draw me,
uphold me to the end;
and then in heaven receive me,
my Savior and my Friend.[/b]

Several times I tried raising some issues up, at a point, I was not selected to ask questions at bible study, because I challenged my pastor to a stand-still the previous bible study. My radical friend of blessed memory tried his very best but he usually gets hooked up at this point: I call it, the focal point of all pertinent questions ever involving God.

I start by asking, is God omnipotent (all powerful), omniscience (all knowing), omnipresence (ever present and everywhere). If this is true, then, It is God’s plan for the serpent to come to the garden, deceive Eve and make Adam eat of the fruit. This also implies that, God wanted man to eat of the fruit of knowledge and be like him. But later, the scripture told us, he never wanted it so, yet he could not stop it. He would say no and go defensive and will say, God gave Adam freewill..

That’s not freewill, choice between two options is not freewill, freewill actually implies, whatever decision you make is devoid of another person’s influence, reward or punishment. The truth of the matter is, an all-powerful, all-knowing, ever present God would have averted a lot of mishap that occurred in first few chapters of Genesis. If he couldn’t, I need a convincing answer to believe he is indeed all the aforementioned. To make matters worse, he regretted making man at a certain point and the only way out is to eliminate man from the face of the earth by flood... does that sound like an intelligent being to you, how much more ascribing the aforementioned three to such a being.

Our discussion usually ends with, “God knows best, he alone can answer your question”. Infact, I realize no man can actually answer my questions satisfactorily like God would, hence, I stopped engaging people in religious discussion except you on the other end started it and I would warn you severally about the implication of what you are about to make me do. Cos If I open my mouth to talk, the seed will be sown and there will be no going back.

blessedvisky:



Lol. What I'm saying is that the Christian denominations are not NEARLY as much as claimed. I'm still challenging you to type 50 different denominations that you know from your memory.

*) when a certain person of group of people come together with little Bible knowledge start coming together to sing and dance, I guess that's your definition of 'denomination' since you believe that olumba olumba is a denomination of Christianity.

You seem not to know what Christianity is. It's all about Christ. When you see any group of people start referring to extra-biblical characters and sources + the bible, can you also say they are denominations of Christianity?. ? If that is true, then I guess Islam too will be a branch of Christianity since they believe Muhammad is the Holy Spirit and the quran calls JESUS 'messiah'

Christianity has no brand. If you asked me where I worshipped(church) that will have made more sense. But you should be able to guess since I already asked you to debunk Speaking with tongues. That should give you an idea.

emis8:


Dear Brother Danko,
I wang to let you know I read throuh all the chapters, not because I had the time to, but because I wanted to know.

From my conclusion,
1. you have a good heart and you're faithful.
Now, God said, "My people (Christians) are destroyed for lack of knowledge". This knowledge is not scientific knowledge, but revelation knowledge. As a Christian, you need to know who God is, and His purpose and plan for mankind.
why did I say so, FAITHFULNESS is not the same as FAITH.
God said, for without FAITH, it will be impossible to please Him.
You demonstrated faithfulness towards God, but not faith.

2. Your christianity was devoid of the power.
I dont want to ask at what age you accepted or even confessed the Lordship of Jesus Christ seeing that your parent brought you up as a christian.
Yes, kudos to your parents for the wonderful work they did, but I believe they were not spiritual, but serving God carnally
After accepting the Lordship of Jesus, you need the Holy Spirit because He's the one that will make Christianity(the devine life) real to you.
God seeks for those of His children who will serve Him in "SPIRIT" and in "TRUTH".
Without the Holy Spirit, you cant live the authentic Christian life. For its the Holy Spirit that helps us with all our weaknesses, teaches us, intercedes for us, advocates for us and brings the miraculous.

3. you were brought up to serve God in the flesh
Reading through your story, you never encountered the miraculous in the various churches you attended.
Its still the same way with some churches today. While you see miracles, healings and deliverance on a daily basis in some other churches.

Reading the Bible from front to back will not do the work for you, you need the Holy Spirit to guide you, teach you and help you work in the miraculous.
Yes I heard you say you spoke in tongue, but that speaking in tongue has to be questioned because you cant make use of the Holy
SPIRIT and send angels on errand and not receive answers or experience the miraculous.

I dont want to go into talking about the power of OFFERINGS, TITHES, SEED SOWING AND OTHER GIVINGS because you have not come into Christianity.

I just have one advise for you, to fulfill your calling as a Minister of God (not ncessarily a pastor because there are different forms of ministry eg Music Minister), you need to join a church that believes the Bible, teaches the word of God, and works in the Miraculous to experience real christianity.

Dont be discouraged to start afresh, its not in the number of years, if youre called of God, you need to work hard to fulfil that calling because the devil will do everything possible to stop that.
Dont let the devil have his way.

CHARLOE:
Plz @dankol continue sowing d seeds of doubt n reason. For so long we were made to believe doubt n reasoning are bad, but without these 2 attributes, u will always fall maga to any 419 scam.
Image123 has bin trying his best to discourage u from completing ur story but like I told him, he can't stop dis train. We're wit u, Ur story is touching thousands of people in different parts of d world, d scales are falling off their eyes n d truth is setting dem free from d bondage of religion. Kudos to u n hardmirror

dankol:


You are just proving the point am gona make soon about the so called body of christ. Lol so Olumba is not a recognized autonomous branch of the Christian Church.Wao.. am not surprised, the hatred within is so deep with the body of christ. the question is, why should a group of people set themselves aside from others to sing and dance, if they do not have a new ideology? well,i guess you should help me define Denomination then..
perhaps you dnt know, the bible is a tool used to validate islam, the talmud is a tool used to validate the bible, one preceeds the other. So if you see islam as a break away faction.. i respect that view.Afterall, jesus was even mentioned more than mohammed in the Quran.

Sorry, i prefer to use the word brand because in the business world, that what is done to remain relevant or break into the market. you need to have a unique brand. So i use the word on purpose. Sorry, am not a prophet, i only make educated guesses. But then why should i guess when you are right here to answer.

blessedvisky:


Wow. You are the one with hate not me, so because I don't recognise olumba members as christians means I hate them?? Is that so?.

I know about the Bible being used to validate Islam, but using Talmud to justify the Bible, like I said before, I don't do extra-biblical stuff.

Well, since you have chosen to see the Christian faith as a 'brand' or business organisation, then there is nothing I can do for you again.

CHARLOE:
Plz @dankol continue sowing d seeds of doubt n reason. For so long we were made to believe doubt n reasoning are bad, but without these 2 attributes, u will always fall maga to any 419 scam.
Image123 has bin trying his best to discourage u from completing ur story but like I told him, he can't stop dis train. We're wit u, Ur story is touching thousands of people in different parts of d world, d scales are falling off their eyes n d truth is setting dem free from d bondage of religion. Kudos to u n hardmirror

dankol:


Seriously, i did not advertise for help... you do not have to spell it out before hatred can be exhibited.. Your refusal to recognize them is a form of discrimination.. and a form of hatred. You dont have to agree with me.. even your mother body CAN refuse to admit them.. Enjoy

dankol:


You are just proving the point am gona make soon about the so called body of christ. Lol so Olumba is not a recognized autonomous branch of the Christian Church.Wao.. am not surprised, the hatred within is so deep with the body of christ. the question is, why should a group of people set themselves aside from others to sing and dance, if they do not have a new ideology? well,i guess you should help me define Denomination then..
perhaps you dnt know, the bible is a tool used to validate islam, the talmud is a tool used to validate the bible, one preceeds the other. So if you see islam as a break away faction.. i respect that view.Afterall, jesus was even mentioned more than mohammed in the Quran.

Sorry, i prefer to use the word brand because in the business world, that what is done to remain relevant or break into the market. you need to have a unique brand. So i use the word on purpose. Sorry, am not a prophet, i only make educated guesses. But then why should i guess when you are right here to answer.

dankol:


My brother, you know why i am not bothered by his replies.. because i was once like him, believing i was defending the truth. He only reminds of mof those days when i would defend tithing to a fault amongst other things here on nairaland. I totally understand him and i sincerely wish him the best in his endeavours. But mine.. he cant stop... i guarantee you.

dankol:
[b]
So I gave up on Christianity. It was not easy dear. Its like separating a child from his mother. I recall, in my room, there were two papas of student fellowships, I tackled them to a standstill that one of them avoids me like a plague till today. The other is too matured to be childish, He told me, he would pray for me to come back to God, I told him, “better still, tell God to come to me”. It got to a point that, one day, a roommate of mine, pleaded with me to stop the argument because, it is affecting him seriously, he said “dankol!, anytime I tried to pray, I begin to wonder, is God really up there listening to me ….just because of you. Please help me. I don’t want any of these discussions again”. I was moved, I never intended to shake anyone’s faith but to make you curious and inquisitive about what you believe. I promised not to talk about it anymore. But within me, I feel so much freedom and ability to think clearly and logically without any religious influence.
My story may not be intriguing as expected but I myself only knew what I went through all in the name of serving God. I do not intend to convert anyone as no one converted me. I came to that self-realization after so much struggle. Below is a few food for thought on some issues on religion.

********END OF THE STORY************

CHAPTER SIXTEEN
FOOD FOR THOUGHT FOR RELIGIONISTS
What makes a Christian FEEL better than non-Christian

One day, I was in deep thought, I began to think, “what benefit do I get from being a Christian that a non-Christian do not get, moreso, there are Christians like me, who do not even have what I have, there are Christians who do have far more than I do have. Yet there are unbelievers on both sides too. So I think much deeper, there must be something that makes me different from an unbeliever”
I exclaimed, I have peace of mind! then I recall, I do get worried once in a while and even often.
I recall also, I have good health, then I remember, I have good healthy habit, live in a peaceful environment pretty much devoid of air pollution and what have coupled coupled with other physical factors.

Another came to my mind, You have sound mind.. so do many other unbelievers
Another came, Jesus has saved you, redeemed you to himself.. to become what? Ok sons and daughters of God, So if I am a son of God, then, I should not be experiencing certain difficulty. If he became poor, so I might be rich, I do not have to ration my daily meal from three to two and sometimes one.

My problem is not the challenges I was facing as a Christian perhaps, it is accounted for in the scripture, Jesus did not promise a problem free life, infact he emphasized on himself, giving Christians a load to carry. Matthew 11:29-30 “… For my yoke is light and my burden is easy”. So by conventional interpretation, it has to do with challenges of life. Fine. But looking at life generally, there is virtually no physical difference between a Christian and a non-Christian. What do I mean?

1. Christians fall sick same as non-Christians
2. They die by all means possible, stray bullet, sickness, earthquake, war, fire, amongst others; same as unbelievers
3. They experience failure at one or two point in time in life ; same as unbelievers
4. Poverty, wealth , famine, name it, both Christians and non-Christians do enjoy their fair share of it.

SO, WHY DO I THINK AM BETTER THAN OTHERS WHO DO NOT SHARE IN MY FAITH? I almost gave up in my thought to differentiate why I am a better person by virtue of my religion to another until I remember this; Christianity is about a heavenly race. Paul said, “I have finished the race….” -2Timothy 4:7. Waoooo, I was happy to have seen one. Atleast if I am suffering on earth, I have hope of heaven. Paul further said in 1 Cor 15:19 “If in this life only we have hope in Christ, WE ARE OF ALL MEN MOST MISERABLE”. That statement is an emphatical statement of certainty, that, Paul is so sure of a kingdom beyond this world which is of an immerse hope. Here lies my question

How sure was Paul to have made such emphatic statement without any evidence to back it up? Is it because he is an apostle, sorry, even apostles can tell lies that is why even Paul himself said in 1 Thessalonians 5:21, “Prove all things; hold fast that which is good”. So I decided to do that, I began to gather information about heaven outside the scripture. i.e I need some info to validate what I have read in the bible. Now, the various versions of heaven-visitors (near death experiences) made issues worse for me. Wait, Jesus cannot take sis. Janet to see a wailing Mary- crying to Janet to tell Catholics to stop praying to her and yet bro john did not see such. Infact both of them saw a different entrance into heaven and met different kinds of Jesus. So, I hastily concluded that, ok, fine, heaven exist and it is meant for Christians.

One day, I saw a Christian magazine at a newspaper stand, front page had an info on an interview to another heaven visitor whom Jesus told that, in the whole of Nigeria, about 32 Christians will make heaven as at that point in time. I was shocked to the bone marrow. I left that place thinking, wait, Pastors in Nigeria alone go reach like half a million in Nigeria, that’s even too much, what of bishops, they are sure over 100 in Nigeria. So who would the 32 Christians be? Now, if about 50% of Nigeria’s population are professing Christians, and going by that revelation, 32 will make heaven, it is an absolute waste of years, time, resources to even try being a Christian. Then, something else poped up in my mind, there is a difference between being a Christian and being a Christ-follower. Anyone can be a Christian, bear Christian names but only one that does what Jesus wants done is indeed a Christian. Fine, lets define what Jesus wants done:

1. Help the sick
2. Feed the needy
3. Preach the gospel
4. Pray through him to God
5. Study the scripture to grow in faith
6. Obey authorities over you
7. Be honest, diligent and truthful
8. Forsake not the gathering of the brethren
9. Chief of it all, is believe in him as the messiah, he died for your sins and he is your salvation blab la bla .. in short, “HAVE FAITH”

Now, permit me to summarize all the above and as many you know that was not mentioned into two
1. FAITH
2. 2. WORK

I wont be tempted to point out the contradictions in the scripture on the two subject matter yet I admit both have a point of convergence latter on according to the scripture, and that is, a Christian needs both to be a Christian indeed.

Now, it is one thing to have faith, which in my opinion it is easier- this point is what makes bulk of Christians. They profess Christ as Lord. But, it is another thing to do the works accompanying faith. The works are simply physical, interactive with man and the superman. Here lies the flaws of everything. Your works cannot be perfect. Because, humans are not wired to be 100% efficient and I think that’s what makes us unique. No Christian can do all that is expected of him/her with perfection, yet, “BE YE PERFECT, even as your Father which is in heaven is PERFECT”.-Matthew 5:48.

Even Solomon affirmed that, there are times, you have to be good and times you have to be bad. Hence, the Idea of perfection is not an option. And from a theological perspective, this is where faith covers for your imperfect works. Fine Now here lies the problem, If even God knows, acknowledge and accept our flaws by using Jesus as a sacrificial lamb to make us perfect, that is why 2Peter 3:9 says, “The Lord is …. not willing that any should perish,….”. Meaning, irrespective of how imperfect our work is, either at 99.99999999% or at 49.99999% or at 0.0000000000009%. Faith covers and serves as an insurance. If that is true- though I know this is another controversial issue in Christendom today (Once saved; saved forever VS otherwise school of thought), then, all things being equal, ALL PROFESSING CHRISTIANS SHOULD MAKE HEAVEN. But conventional report has it otherwise, where some heaven visitors are seeing the likes of Bishop Idahosa in hell, then itaffbeee. The funny thing is, this hell stuff is in tandem with theological dogma/doctrines of several churches. That is why, they will threaten with hell fire. (LOL) . Anyway If these reports are true, then FAITH IS USELESS BECAUSE, NO MAN CAN ATTAIN PERFECTION. And since you can’t attain perfection just as your heavenly father, then, there are two things involved
1. EVERYONE HEADS TO HELL MAJESTICALLY OR
2. GOD’S MERCY SPEAKS JUST AS IT SPOKE FOR MOSES AND JOSHUA- but we did not know of this except in the bible oooo. How sure that mercy will speak for you if it did not speak for Bishop Idahosa (with reference to that story based on the assumption that its true).

No matter how good you are, no matter how much you are loved by people; there is something bad about you people still do not like. And if you are bad, there is some good you still do. So, since it is inherent, let faith do its work. Yet, faith failed because, even Jesus affirmed that, in Matthew 25:35-46 the kind of works he wanted and those who did not do those particular works were thrown into damnation. Faith should have saved them.

So, I told myself, there is seriously no GUARANTEE for any Christian to make heaven which is the ONLY POINT I could find to give me strength and hope as a Christian. I was weak and so I had more reasons to quit.

Mind you, If you have a concrete, verifiable advantage you have as a Christian over non-Christians, feel free to bring it up. Moreso, the heaven issue, If you are so convinced, please answer this question with all honesty: If Jesus come right now or If your Jesus come for you now (death), can you give me a 100% assurance that, you will make heaven? If you can, and you refuse to die, then you are a fat liar. Because, if I were present with you, I would request that you permit me to send you to heaven, why are you staying in this wicked world of sin, do you want to sin and go to hell? Seriously, it does not make any sense to belong to such a nicer class of superbeings and remain here. It is either a fairytale you deep down within you, do not believe or you are not 100% certain. Afterall, a songwriter wrote/sang “Everybody won go heaven, nobody won die, nobody won die”.

Also, why should I be bothered with after-life when, I knew nothing about pre-life. HEAVEN IS A FAIRY TALE, HELL IS NOT ONLY A FAIRY TALE BUT A FAIRY TOOL TO SCARE YOU TOWARDS HEAVEN. I WOULD LIVE THIS LIFE AM CONSCIOUS ABOUT, WELL TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY- my take

So I gave up on Christianity. It was not easy dear. Its like separating a child from his mother

I recall, in my room, there were two papas of student fellowships, I tackled them to a standstill that one of them avoids me like a plague till today. The other is too matured to be childish, He told me, he would pray for me to come back to God, I told him, “better still, tell God to come to me”. It got to a point that, one day, a roommate of mine, pleaded with me to stop the argument because, it is affecting him seriously, he said “dankol!, anytime I tried to pray, I begin to wonder, is God really up there listening to me ….just because of you. Please help me. I don’t want any of these discussions again”. I was moved, I never intended to shake anyone’s faith but to make you curious and inquisitive about what you believe. I promised not to talk about it anymore. But within me, I feel so much freedom and ability to think clearly and logically without any religious influence.

My story may not be intriguing as expected but I myself only knew what I went through all in the name of serving God. I do not intend to convert anyone as no one converted me. I came to that self-realization after so much struggle.

Below is a few food for thought on some issues on religion.
FOOD FOR THOUGHT FOR RELIGIONISTS
What makes a Christian FEEL better than non-Christian

One day, I was in deep thought, I began to think, “what benefit do I get from being a Christian that a non-Christian do not get, moreso, there are Christians like me, who do not even have what I have, there are Christians who do have far more than I do have. Yet there are unbelievers on both sides too. So I think much deeper, there must be something that makes me different from an unbeliever”
I exclaimed, I have peace of mind! then I recall, I do get worried once in a while and even often.
I recall also, I have good health, then I remember, I have good healthy habit, live in a peaceful environment pretty much devoid of air pollution and what have coupled coupled with other physical factors.
Another came to my mind, You have sound mind.. so do many other unbelievers
Another came, Jesus has saved you, redeemed you to himself.. to become what? Ok sons and daughters of God, So if I am a son of God, then, I should not be experiencing certain difficulty. If he became poor, so I might be rich, I do not have to ration my daily meal from three to two and sometimes one.
My problem is not the challenges I was facing as a Christian perhaps, it is accounted for in the scripture, Jesus did not promise a problem free life, infact he emphasized on himself, giving Christians a load to carry. Matthew 11:29-30 “… For my yoke is light and my burden is easy”. So by conventional interpretation, it has to do with challenges of life. Fine. But looking at life generally, there is virtually no physical difference between a Christian and a non-Christian. What do I mean?
1. Christians fall sick same as non-Christians
2. They die by all means possible, stray bullet, sickness, earthquake, war, fire, amongst others; same as unbelievers
3. They experience failure at one or two point in time in life ; same as unbelievers
4. Poverty, wealth , famine, name it, both Christians and non-Christians do enjoy their fair share of it.
SO, WHY DO I THINK AM BETTER THAN OTHERS WHO DO NOT SHARE IN MY FAITH? I almost gave up in my thought to differentiate why I am a better person by virtue of my religion to another until I remember this; Christianity is about a heavenly race. Paul said, “I have finished the race….” -2Timothy 4:7. Waoooo, I was happy to have seen one. Atleast if I am suffering on earth, I have hope of heaven. Paul further said in 1 Cor 15:19 “If in this life only we have hope in Christ, WE ARE OF ALL MEN MOST MISERABLE”. That statement is an emphatical statement of certainty, that, Paul is so sure of a kingdom beyond this world which is of an immerse hope. Here lies my question
How sure was Paul to have made such emphatic statement without any evidence to back it up? Is it because he is an apostle, sorry, even apostles can tell lies that is why even Paul himself said in 1 Thessalonians 5:21, “Prove all things; hold fast that which is good”.

Now, the various versions of heaven-visitors (near death experiences) made issues worse for me. Wait, Jesus cannot take sis. Janet to see a wailing Mary- crying to Janet to tell Catholics to stop praying to her and yet bro john did not see such. Infact both of them saw a different entrance into heaven and met different kinds of Jesus. So, I hastily concluded that, ok, fine, heaven exist and it is meant for Christians.
One day, I saw a Christian magazine at a newspaper stand, front page had an info on an interview to another heaven visitor whom Jesus told that, in the whole of Nigeria, about 32 Christians will make heaven as at that point in time. I was shocked to the bone marrow. I left that place thinking, wait, Pastors in Nigeria alone go reach like half a million in Nigeria, that’s even too much, what of bishops, they are sure over 100 in Nigeria. So who would the 32 Christians be? Now, if about 50% of Nigeria’s population are professing Christians, and going by that revelation, 32 will make heaven, it is an absolute waste of years, time, resources to even try being a Christian.

Then, something else poped up in my mind, there is a difference between being a Christian and being a Christ-follower. Anyone can be a Christian, bear Christian names but only one that does what Jesus wants done is indeed a Christian. Fine, lets define what Jesus wants done:
1. Help the sick
2. Feed the needy
3. Preach the gospel
4. Pray through him to God
5. Study the scripture to grow in faith
6. Obey authorities over you
7. Be honest, diligent and truthful
8. Forsake not the gathering of the brethren
9. Chief of it all, is believe in him as the messiah, he died for your sins and he is your salviou
Now, permit me to summarize all the above and as many you know that was not mentioned into two
1. FAITH
2. 2. WORK. I was weak and so I had more reasons to quit
HEAVEN IS A FAIRY TALE, HELL IS NOT ONLY A FAIRY TALE BUT A FAIRY TOOL TO SCARE YOU TOWARDS HEAVEN. I WOULD LIVE THIS LIFE AM CONSCIOUS ABOUT, WELL TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY

dankol:
Thanks for the reply visky, like you have pointed out, its to strengthen those who would be weaken by the above facts laid bare. But frankly, you did not do justice the post, you infact validated it with your unverifiable claims of priviledges except as proclaimed in the bible with no physical prove of such evidence.
i would have replied you extensively but it would yield nothing. You will never see things logically untill you remove that religious glasses. BUT THEN, GET READY TO WRITE MORE REBRUTTALS

dankol:
Thanks for the reply visky, like you have pointed out, its to strengthen those who would be weaken by the above facts laid bare. But frankly, you did not do justice the post, you infact validated it with your unverifiable claims of priviledges except as proclaimed in the bible with no physical prove of such evidence.
i would have replied you extensively but it would yield nothing. You will never see things logically untill you remove that religious glasses. BUT THEN, GET READY TO WRITE MORE REBRUTTALS

dankol:
[b]CHAPTER SIXTEEN CONTINUUM
JUDGE FOR YOURSELF- WHO ACTUALLY LIED; WHO SAID THE TRUTH

Several times, we have usually judge people not because we are right to judge but we have been cornered by several factors chief among them is the belief that, some persons, beings can never err. For instance, a catholic believes that, the pope can never err (I stand to be corrected in the light of the latest pope who seems to be breaking traditions). But then, I want you reader to remove your religious, spiritual eye glasses, and put on a logical, unbiased and analytical eye glasses as you join me to evaluate this set of passages in the infallible holy word of God.
Genesis 2: 16 -17: “But the lord God warned him, “You may freely eat the fruit of every tree in the garden—except the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. If you eat its fruit, you are sure to die.”


This is one of the first set of instructions God gave to Adam in the Garden and it was emphatically clear as KJV would put it : “ for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
It means only one thing, any day you eat the fruit, your life ends. Simple. No spiritual innuendo to it.

Now in Chapter 3: 1-7: “The serpent was the shrewdest of all the wild animals the lord God had made. One day he asked the woman, “Did God really say you must not eat the fruit from any of the trees in the garden? “Of course we may eat fruit from the trees in the garden,” the woman replied. It’s only the fruit from the tree in the middle of the garden that we are not allowed to eat. God said, ‘You must not eat it or even touch it; if you do, you will die.’” “You won’t die!” the serpent replied to the woman. “God knows that your eyes will be opened as soon as you eat it, and you will be like God, knowing both good and evil. The woman was convinced. She saw that the tree was beautiful and its fruit looked delicious, and she wanted the wisdom it would give her. So she took some of the fruit and ate it. Then she gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it, too. At that moment their eyes were opened, and they suddenly felt shame at their unclothedness. So they sewed fig leaves together to cover themselves.”



Here, we see a counter-instruction, yet more revealing. The Serpent efficiently debunked every instructions given to Adam replaced it with a daring, curious instruction. It was clear
1. You will not die
2. Your eyes will be open
3. You will be like GOD
4. You will know good and evil

I guess Eve was as curious as I am, hence she dared God’s instructions. Permit me to chip in here (This question is for God- Why was he silently watching the Serpent turning his creature against him and he did absolutely nothing about it). Some persons are thinking, it is not my place to ask God such question, why would the created ask his creator, “why did you create me like this”. Then if that is the case, it is not in God’s place to punish me for whatever decision I make.
Now verse 7, concluded the matter, it confirmed
1. They had not died yet and did not die till centuries later
2. Indeed, their eyes were opened
3. Verse 22-23 of that same chapter implicated God

“THEN THE LORD GOD SAID, “LOOK, THE HUMAN BEINGS HAVE BECOME LIKE US, KNOWING BOTH GOOD AND EVIL. What if they reach out, take fruit from the tree of life, and eat it? Then they will live forever!” So the lord God banished them from the Garden of Eden….”

Giving credence to point 3 and 4 above.
I am not expecting any christian to agree with me, infact am expecting the venom from them. But let me address a strong point they will likely put up, the issue of death. It is theologically claimed that the death inferred was a spiritual death. But I dare any christian to show me one passage in the bible where spiritual death was refered or mentioned. Take a look at verse 22 again “What if they reach out, take fruit from the tree of life, and eat it? Then they will live forever”- It implies that,
1. God was scared of the possibility of MAN LIVING FOREVER like him
2. it was never God’s intention to make man live forever. So that natural death was inevitable even if adam had not eaten of the fruit of Knowledge. Adam would ONLY live forever if and only if he ate of the fruit of the tree of life. So, irrespective of the death threat, Adam would still have died, maybe 2 millenium years later, perhaps the fruit of knowledge hasten it. It can’t and can never be spiritual death. If one is to go by spiritual things, spirits don’t die, do they?
So dear reader, who actually lied? Who actually said the truth? The truth is what you believe is the truth because, the truth is relative anyway. My truth may not be your truth.

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stephenmorris:
dankol its not about you winning the theists, its about you sowing the seed of doubt within them ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,nice thread bro

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Your hypocrisy is the strong original type. Folks complain a lot about christians keeping mum or having no answers or comments to grumblings like the OP put up. Many at best gets a God understands and diversions. Here you have direct access to answers and replies but you several times beg him not to listen. Are you afraid to discuss your unbelief? Scriptures says to test every spirit and to produce your strong reasons, so stop lying about Christianity being a call to gullibility. Why and how on earth would i discourage him from completing his rants? This is the exact thing you complain of about religion, you are irritated by differing views. Your delusion is not a worry in heaven, it was predicted.

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Your hypocrisy is the strong original type. Folks complain a lot about christians keeping mum or having no answers or comments to grumblings like the OP put up. Many at best gets a God understands and diversions. Here you have direct access to answers and replies but you several times beg him not to listen. Are you afraid to discuss your unbelief? Scriptures says to test every spirit and to produce your strong reasons, so stop lying about Christianity being a call to gullibility. Why and how on earth would i discourage him from completing his rants? This is the exact thing you complain of about religion, you are irritated by differing views. Your delusion is not a worry in heaven, it was predicted.

CHARLOE:

Abeg park well joor, c ur mouth like 'direct answer', so all those ur roundabout blabbing are what u call 'direct answers', smh. Keep deceiving urselfurself.
D op has bin in ur shoes, I've bin there too, defending d indefensible, alongside folks like frosbel here on nairaland yrs gone by.
I no better now, tho I don't claim monopoly of knowledge, I can't b fooled anymore. Am not an atheist n can't be, but I no 1 tin 4 sure; d creator of heaven n earth does not interfere in d affairs of men. U can take dat to d bank!

dankol:


Oh.. Finally I got someone who knows frosbel back in those days.. Hmmmmmm it's good to know that. Maybe years to come, these indefensible defenders will turn around.. Maybe I said ... In the mean time... Pls bear with me... I got loads of stuffs to do. Chief of it is my final paper.. I got to concentrate a little and work harder cos I got no super power to help me... So thanks for ur understanding.. Update will come in ASAP from next tomorrow

CHARLOE:

Thank u so much 4 sharing ur story, u've no idea d impact ur story is making n will continue to make in d lives of thousands of religious folks reading this. A lot of xtians n even Muslims can relate to ur story, n u're causing an awakening, a paradigm shift in their lives. U n hardmirror n other atheists here are opening d eyes n driving fear away from d minds of Many xtians n muslims, weldone.
The only question I have 4 u n other atheists here is dis: (4get d abrahamic god n his books wit all their promises/claims n contradictions 4 a moment): can u sincerely look at d solar system- How it takes d earth exactly 24hrs (not 22 today, 19hrs 2moro) to revolve about its axis, causing nite n day, rotate round d sun in 365days, causing d seasons, n still conclude it happened by accident? What about d complex human body,, in summary, d order we find in nature all around us ( plz don't tell me nature is not perfect n god/d creator shld b perfect, ). Am very sure if u're seeing a car 4 d 1st time in ur life, u will definitely no it was made by intelligent minds n not by accident/randomly, even tho it breaks down sometimes n even has accident a times.
I may open a thread on this soon let's rub minds, cos am a truth seeker, I rationalise issues logically, without sentiments, fear or favour. Personally, I believe religion is man-made n thrives on fear n hope, lies n half-truths, but d evidence of an intelligent creator(s) abound around us (not necessarily perfect), (n yes, d creator may even b d universe itself of which we are a part of, like some claim, or reverad, as declared by otamundo in his UFO message, who knows!)

CHARLOE:

Abeg park well joor, c ur mouth like 'direct answer', so all those ur roundabout blabbing are what u call 'direct answers', smh. Keep deceiving urselfurself.
D op has bin in ur shoes, I've bin there too, defending d indefensible, alongside folks like frosbel here on nairaland yrs gone by.
I no better now, tho I don't claim monopoly of knowledge, I can't b fooled anymore. Am not an atheist n can't be, but I no 1 tin 4 sure; d creator of heaven n earth does not interfere in d affairs of men. U can take dat to d bank!

dankol:
[b]CHAPTER SIXTEEN CONTINUUM
JUDGE FOR YOURSELF- WHO ACTUALLY LIED; WHO SAID THE TRUTH

Several times, we have usually judge people not because we are right to judge but we have been cornered by several factors chief among them is the belief that, some persons, beings can never err. For instance, a catholic believes that, the pope can never err (I stand to be corrected in the light of the latest pope who seems to be breaking traditions). But then, I want you reader to remove your religious, spiritual eye glasses, and put on a logical, unbiased and analytical eye glasses as you join me to evaluate this set of passages in the infallible holy word of God.
Genesis 2: 16 -17: “But the lord God warned him, “You may freely eat the fruit of every tree in the garden—except the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. If you eat its fruit, you are sure to die.”


This is one of the first set of instructions God gave to Adam in the Garden and it was emphatically clear as KJV would put it : “ for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
It means only one thing, any day you eat the fruit, your life ends. Simple. No spiritual innuendo to it.[/b]

Now in Chapter 3: 1-7: “The serpent was the shrewdest of all the wild animals the lord God had made. One day he asked the woman, “Did God really say you must not eat the fruit from any of the trees in the garden? “Of course we may eat fruit from the trees in the garden,” the woman replied. It’s only the fruit from the tree in the middle of the garden that we are not allowed to eat. God said, ‘You must not eat it or even touch it; if you do, you will die.’” “You won’t die!” the serpent replied to the woman. “God knows that your eyes will be opened as soon as you eat it, and you will be like God, knowing both good and evil. The woman was convinced. She saw that the tree was beautiful and its fruit looked delicious, and she wanted the wisdom it would give her. So she took some of the fruit and ate it. Then she gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it, too. At that moment their eyes were opened, and they suddenly felt shame at their unclothedness. So they sewed fig leaves together to cover themselves.”



Here, we see a counter-instruction, yet more revealing. The Serpent efficiently debunked every instructions given to Adam replaced it with a daring, curious instruction. It was clear
1. You will not die
2. Your eyes will be open
3. You will be like GOD
4. You will know good and evil

I guess Eve was as curious as I am, hence she dared God’s instructions. Permit me to chip in here (This question is for God- Why was he silently watching the Serpent turning his creature against him and he did absolutely nothing about it). Some persons are thinking, it is not my place to ask God such question, why would the created ask his creator, “why did you create me like this”. Then if that is the case, it is not in God’s place to punish me for whatever decision I make.

Now verse 7, concluded the matter, it confirmed
1. They had not died yet and did not die till centuries later
2. Indeed, their eyes were opened
3. Verse 22-23 of that same chapter implicated God

“THEN THE LORD GOD SAID, “LOOK, THE HUMAN BEINGS HAVE BECOME LIKE US, KNOWING BOTH GOOD AND EVIL. What if they reach out, take fruit from the tree of life, and eat it? Then they will live forever!” So the lord God banished them from the Garden of Eden….”

Giving credence to point 3 and 4 above.
I am not expecting any christian to agree with me, infact am expecting the venom from them. But let me address a strong point they will likely put up, the issue of death. It is theologically claimed that the death inferred was a spiritual death. But I dare any christian to show me one passage in the bible where spiritual death was refered or mentioned. Take a look at verse 22 again “What if they reach out, take fruit from the tree of life, and eat it? Then they will live forever”- It implies that,
1. God was scared of the possibility of MAN LIVING FOREVER like him
2. it was never God’s intention to make man live forever. So that natural death was inevitable even if adam had not eaten of the fruit of Knowledge. Adam would ONLY live forever if and only if he ate of the fruit of the tree of life. So, irrespective of the death threat, Adam would still have died, maybe 2 millenium years later, perhaps the fruit of knowledge hasten it. It can’t and can never be spiritual death. If one is to go by spiritual things, spirits don’t die, do they?
So dear reader, who actually lied? Who actually said the truth? The truth is what you believe is the truth because, the truth is relative anyway. My truth may not be your truth.

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