Sauron, what is Yaradua achieving?

Sagamite:

The key question is "what was the quality of life before Idiagbon and what was the quality of life after him and what advantages did he have in achieving it".

During Idiagbon, people started to queue for things and they still do.
During the time of Idiagbon, people started to clean 1st Saturday of the month and they still do.
During Idiagbon, stealing money was with caution, but during the time of OBJ, it was done with the help of EFCC

Sagamite:

Sauron, what is Yaradua achieving?

The failure of Yar"dumb shd be blamed on OBJ cos he elected him

Fhemmmy:

During Idiagbon, people started to queue for things and they still do.
During the time of Idiagbon, people started to clean 1st Saturday of the month and they still do.
During Idiagbon, stealing money was with caution, but during the time of OBJ, it was done with the help of EFCC

If this is the achievements you will list for a government, honestly, I don't debate at this level.

Sagamite:

Sauron, what is Yaradua achieving?

Putting Nigeria back on track. . . . .Where Abacha left us. . . .

Sagamite:

The key question is "what was the quality of life before Idiagbon and what was the quality of life after him and what advantages did he have in achieving it".

Things were terrible before Idiagbon.
Shagari's regime was plagued with corrupt politicians and senseless politicial violence.
There was a reason Buhari/Idiagbon took over cos Nigeria as at then was on a slippery slope.

OBJ improved Naija to the point, we all are returning.

There's no place like home. . . .
OBJ did not improve Nigeria one jot. . . . .He ruined it.
A Nigerian quoted by the UNDP's human development report in 2002 remarked: "When we were in the military regime, we didn't get anything from the government but we had peace. Now we are in a democracy, we don't get anything from the government and we do not get peace".

That pretty much summed up OBJ's regime.

~Sauron~:

Putting Nigeria back on track. . . . .Where Abacha left us. . . .

Things were terrible before Idiagbon.
Shagari's regime was plagued with corrupt politicians and senseless politicial violence.
There was a reason Buhari/Idiagbon took over cos Nigeria as at then was on a slippery slope.

There's no place like home. . . .
OBJ did not improve Nigeria one jot. . . . .He ruined it.
A Nigerian quoted by the UNDP's human development report in 2002 remarked: "When we were in the military regime, we didn't get anything from the government but we had peace. Now we are in a democracy, we don't get anything from the government and we do not get peace".

That pretty much summed up OBJ's regime.

Yu have said it all.
more pple goes to bed hungry.
more coys are leaving Nigeria.
even ordinary call centre has to use generator.
shiorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

~Sauron~:

Putting Nigeria back on track. . . . .Where Abacha left us. . . .

Thank you. And dancing to "Staying Alive".

~Sauron~:

There's no place like home. . . .
OBJ did not improve Nigeria one jot. . . . .He ruined it.
A Nigerian quoted by the UNDP's human development report in 2002 remarked: "When we were in the military regime, we didn't get anything from the government but we had peace. Now we are in a democracy, we don't get anything from the government and we do not get peace".

That pretty much summed up OBJ's regime.

No, mate. Before OBJ we all wanted to settle in USA or UK.

Now we are all looking for that sweet job back home that did not exist before OBJ.

Sagamite:

No, mate. Before OBJ we all wanted to settle in USA or UK.

Blame the economic recession. . . . .Nigerians in diaspora have belatedly realised they are better off in Nigeria.
There will be a massive migration to the West again once things pick up.

Now we are all looking for that sweet job back home that did not exist before OBJ.

Sweet job?
Do you know how many Nigerian youths that are jobless as we speak?

Sagamite:

Thank you. And dancing to "Staying Alive".

No, mate. Before OBJ we all wanted to settle in USA or UK.

Now we are all looking for that sweet job back home that did not exist before OBJ.

people wanna go back home all cos of the recession, cos cost of living in Nigeria is far better than anywhere else, and if they can take their 10K$ or even max their credit card, they can settle and the fact that they are "Tokunbos" they have a better chance than the Nigeria breed.
So this has nothing to do with OBJ.
Most people are even going home to start pure water biz, so where is the job there?

Point of correction pls OBJ did not make  Umaru Yar'adua President God did on the judgement day both OBJ and YAR'whatever will answer Baba GOD based on the opportuinty given to both to better the of lifes of Nigerians which failed to do. This is not OBJ's Government It is Yar'adua's please. A change is coming to our Great Nation It can not continue this way

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Pastor Ola:

Point of correction pls OBJ did not make  Umaru Yar'adua President God did on the judgement day both OBJ and YAR'whatever will answer Baba GOD based on the opportuinty given to both to better the of lifes of Nigerians which failed to do. This is not OBJ's Government It is Yar'adua's please. A change is coming to our Great Nation It can not continue this way

So do we blame God for all Yar'Fool's stupidy?

ikeyman00:

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OBJ fukc Nigeria up and it will go down in the history that he was an slowpoke.

Fhemmmy:

people wanna go back home all cos of the recession, cos cost of living in Nigeria is far better than anywhere else, and if they can take their 10K$ or even max their credit card, they can settle and the fact that they are "Tokunbos" they have a better chance than the Nigeria breed.
So this has nothing to do with OBJ.
Most people are even going home to start pure water biz, so where is the job there?

Sagamite knows the raw truth. . . .He is just fibbing.

if your yeye obj mean well

why then he handed over to yaramugu

rabadu de scare am



oduduwa i punch una for face

make de hold me oo

~Sauron~:

Sagamite knows the raw truth. . . .He is just fibbing.

I thot as much too.

ikeyman00:

if your yeye obj mean well

why then he handed over to yaramugu

rabadu de scare am



oduduwa i punch una for face

make de hold me oo

OBJ was a total slowpoke, and he has single handedly ruin the nation.
History will surely judge him.

~Sauron~:

Blame the economic recession. . . . .Nigerians in diaspora have belatedly realised they are better off in Nigeria.
There will be a massive migration to the West again once things pick up.

Sweet job?
Do you know how many Nigerian youths that are jobless as we speak?

The trend was there well before recession. Recession only accelerated it.

You want to blame OBJ for the mass of circa 28-38 yr olds without a job? Was it his regime that wasted their development or was it IBB and Abasha?

Sagamite:

The trend was there well before recession. Recession only accelerated it.

You want to blame OBJ for the mass of circa 28-38 yr olds without a job? Was it his regime that wasted their development or was it IBB and Abasha?

Cos OBJ has helped drive Naira to a level where almost everyone in diaspora in now a millionaire in naira, and since when u come Nija as Tokunbo, everyone wanna do biz with you and all that, so that was all that made the processes to be there and nothing that OBJ did.

Fhemmmy:

people wanna go back home all cos of the recession, cos cost of living in Nigeria is far better than anywhere else, and if they can take their 10K$ or even max their credit card, they can settle and the fact that they are "Tokunbos" they have a better chance than the Nigeria breed.
So this has nothing to do with OBJ.
Most people are even going home to start pure water biz, so where is the job there?

So why did they not want to do the same in the 90s?

Or was cost of living in Nigeria then higher than the West?

Credit cards were not in existence then?

They were not Tokunbos then? Maybe they were Ramotas?

So how come you think it has nothing to do with OBJ? Please don't fib if you answer.

Sagamite:

The trend was there well before recession. Recession only accelerated it.

I disagree. . . . .As at 2007, no one thunk about relocating to Nigeria to look for any job

You want to blame OBJ for the mass of circa 28-38 yr olds without a job? Was it his regime that wasted their development or was it IBB and Abasha?

The average Nigerian graduates at the age of 23
Subtract OBJ's 8 years of failure from that and you get 15. . . . .Of course, this was more OBJ's fault than IBB or Abacha.

~Sauron~:

I disagree. . . . .As at 2007, no one thunk about relocating to Nigeria to look for any job

I disagree, mate. That was the talk well before the recession after the bank consolidation and Telecomms revolution.

~Sauron~:

The average Nigerian graduates at the age of 23
Subtract OBJ's 8 years of failure from that and you get 15. . . . .Of course, this was more OBJ's fault than IBB or Abacha.

A higher % of uni graduates of recent have jobs than in the 90s. Everyone I know either works in a bank or telecomms. Thanks to OBJ policies.

In the 90s, most uni grads I knew were employed in unemployment and expected it well before graduation.

The overall fact remains that Nigeria was in a rot in all aspect before OBJ.

He repaired some and did not repair some but did more than all previous presidents, as they only made ALL worse.

Sagamite:

I disagree, mate. That was the talk well before the recession after the bank consolidation and Telecomms revolution.

Democracy brought those changes. . . . .IBB as a democratic president would have done more.

A higher % of uni graduates of recent have jobs than in the 90s. Everyone I know either works in a bank or telecomms. Thanks to OBJ policies.

In the 90s, most uni grads I knew were employed in unemployment and expected it well before graduation.

How many graduates were lying fallow in the 90s compared to what we have now.
You are looking at actual value not the employment ratio. . . . .  .
What is the ratio of employed graduates to the unemployed in the 90s compared to 2009?
If only you know the number of graduates our tertiary institutions are rolling out every year. . . . . .

Sagamite:

The overall fact remains that Nigeria was in a rot in all aspect before OBJ.

He repaired some and did not repair some but did more than all previous presidents, as they only made ALL worse.

OBJ met Nigeria in a bad state, and he left it in terrible state, so what difference does it make

~Sauron~:

Democracy brought those changes. . . . .IBB as a democratic president would have done more.

How many graduates were lying fallow in the 90s compared to what we have now.
You are looking at actual value not the employment ratio. . . . .  .
What is the ratio of employed graduates to the unemployed in the 90s compared to 2009?
If only you know the number of graduates our tertiary institutions are rolling out every year. . . . . .

Ask him.
cos now 95% of the graduands cant get a job.
Now university can take care of the students anymore.
Even the lecturers are worse than ever.
In the time of Buhari, the employee of govt at least work a lil compared to now, that none works at all, they dont even go to work, cos they have a morally bankrupt man as a leader.

~Sauron~:

Democracy brought those changes. . . . .IBB as a democratic president would have done more.

You havin a laugh, bruv!

~Sauron~:

How many graduates were lying fallow in the 90s compared to what we have now.
You are looking at actual value not the employment ratio. . . . .  .
What is the ratio of employed graduates to the unemployed in the 90s compared to 2009?
If only you know the number of graduates our tertiary institutions are rolling out every year. . . . . .

No, I am looking at the ratio of professional and psuedo-professional jobs existing within both eras.

Yeah, OBJ regime incubated and encouraged the expansion of such institution and there viability. Feel free to add it to his achievements.

Fhemmmy:

OBJ met Nigeria in a bad state, and he left it in terrible state, so what difference does it make
Ask him.
cos now 95% of the graduands cant get a job.
Now university can take care of the students anymore.
Even the lecturers are worse than ever.
In the time of Buhari, the employee of govt at least work a lil compared to now, that none works at all, they dont even go to work, cos they have a morally bankrupt man as a leader.

Conjectures galore!

Please provide facts and figures for the above bolded.

Sagamite:

Conjectures galore!
Please provide facts and figures for the above bolded.

How many of them were fired lately and was re-hired?

Sagamite:

You havin a laugh, bruv!
No, I am looking at the ratio of professional and psuedo-professional jobs existing within both eras.

Professional jobs? There were lawyers, engineers, doctors, etc in leading institutions before OBJ came into power.
Granted, more Telecom companies and Banks sprang up in OBJ's time but that had to do with democracy than the pig in power.
Jabba The Hutt as a democratic president would have yielded the same results.

Yeah, OBJ regime incubated and encouraged the expansion of such institution and there viability. Feel free to add it to his achievements.

OBJ did not, Democracy did.

Fhemmmy:

How many of them were fired lately and was re-hired?

Is that your fact and figures or should I be patient and you are getting to it?

If this is the achievements you will list for a government, honestly, I don't debate at this level.

What he said impacts people and their state of mind, anything that forces people to think twice before doing something is a good thing.

Idiagbo and Buhari was a missed opportunity.

~Sauron~:

Professional jobs? There were lawyers, engineers, doctors, etc in leading institutions before OBJ came into power.
Granted, more Telecom companies and Banks sprang up in OBJ's time but that had to do with democracy than the pig in power.
Jabba The Hutt as a democratic president would have yielded the same results.

OBJ did not, Democracy did.

No, mate, OBJ's policies did it.

Sagamite:

Is that your fact and figures or should I be patient and you are getting to it?

Tell me, how many were let go and re-hired, when in the history of Nigeria has that ever happened?
How can some lecturers not be working for months and the leader/president just dont care? lemme tell you why, cos they dont care, and cos u have said that he lacks good government, that was what you said.

babapupa:

What he said impacts people and their state of mind, anything that forces people to think twice before doing something is a good thing.

Idiagbo and Buhari was a missed opportunity.

Tell him pls