DoctorAlien:




Yes. GOD is very complex. Too complex for our finite brains to comprehend.

However, this logic of yours will lead one into assuming there is an infinite number of Creators. If GOD is so complex that somebody must be His Creator, then that Creator is far more complex and so demands a Creator, and so on... Where does that lead us?

We also know that order cannot come out of chaos/disorder. Therefore there is a Creator.

DoctorAlien:


If I prove it my way, they start to talk again.

GOD is the Creator of and not a part of the universe, and so you cannot prove He exists by employing skeptical empiricism. Just like no amount of study you conduct on a building will prove that it's architect exists (assuming the identity of said architect is in question).

Look all around you, you will see proof of GOD's existence.

donnffd:


You are right, the earth is perfect for life as we know, the only misconception here is overturned cause and effect.

You are assuming that the earth was created because of life, when it should be the other way around, Life evolved to fit the earth.

We both agree the earth is beautiful and its our home.

raphieMontella:


weird you aint aware tho ..okay oo..here www.nasa.gov/content/jupiters-great-red-spot-viewed-by-voyager-i
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Red_Spot

www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-36904456

https://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/image_feature_413.html
all the facts you need

raphieMontella:

pls stop these lies...
Show me where intelligent design is an established scientific work..

johnydon22:


Jesus Christ so you didnt know there are Hurricanes in other planet and even the one on Jupiter is greater and has lasted longer than any the earth has seen ...

Why would anybody waste time engaging you when you know so little but champion your ignorance with a lot of arrogance.

raphieMontella ValentineMary - this one is a waste of time, when he doesn't know basic things like this i don't see any need bothering.

Bandeco:
I have been seeing his[BlueAgent(m)] comments here. He is not just unlearned but also childish and uncivil in his submissions.

BlueAgent, This section is not meant for people like you. You can do a better job @ the relationship section.

I wonder why people in my generation still do cling on this god-believe when the lack of evidence therein is overwhelming even to a kid that is ready to embrace reason instead of dogma and beliefs.

Why do they even want god to exist?

ValentineMary:

I agree with Johnnydon22. Engaging u would be a total waste of time.

ValentineMary:

I agree with Johnnydon22. Engaging u would be a total waste of time.

KingEtienneSky:
And THAT is what triggers "the impulse to condescend and belittle".....

This blueAgent fellow is a serious joke. The perfect clown for a circus show....and I'm not saying this is jest.

shadeyinka:



But with such changes, life may not even have started in the first place. You also need to factor in time and phases of the reactions if evolution was true anyway. Its not just aboutbthe constituent's but the right sequence of changes in atmospheric parameters.


It is actually futile discussing creationism from Biological point of view since biology can only take reference from several billion years after the big bang

donnffd:


@bolded, i really doubt that, Life started as fast as it could in an environment very hostile on a very young earth, i believe given the right conditions and ingredients, Life has started multiple times in the galaxy

You know if we were special, we would be made of uncommon stuff, but we are made of the most abudant elements in the universe, Hydrogen, oxygen, Carbon, Nitrogen, phosphorus...

donnffd:

If you want a complex chemistry, those are the elements you would use, and we are made from it, Life is just one of the inevitable effects of carbons powers.


If life was based on a chemistry that was hard to find in the universe, then we have an indirect clue that intelligence was involved, but no, so if life here was created by abundant elements and it arose as fast as it could (200million years on earth given that the galaxy is 10billion years), you can imagine the sheer number of planets that would have different forms of life on it now.

blueAgent:



Our arguement is not about Hurricane and Jupiter stop deviating. our argument is if their is proof of the World originating by chance or design. the same Scientist you hold in high esteem ,that told you about bigbang and evolution. have decleared that the probability of the earth originating by chance is mathematically impossible. so how do you explain your Earth origin, since Science is not supporting your cliam.j

lordnicklaus:

The phrase that "I am a theist" was probably lost in translation. I am no atheist. I just made sense.

blueAgent:


How did you make sense,by arguing about hurricane?

lordnicklaus:
Don't worry, arguing with you is stressful

lordnicklaus:
Don't worry, arguing with you is stressful

blueAgent:


You are scared, you cannot win an argument with me.

lordnicklaus:

Lolzz, now that is a display of unbridled ego. I simply presented a fact, Jupiter's hurricane can cover the earth if earth were to be put in the monstrous planet. You clearly had no profound knowledge of that. And then I asked you if you can say sin caused hurricanes on Jupiter and you simply chickened out by giving incoherent answers. I am a Christian like you bro! I do not argue to win, that is cheap.

blueAgent:



How does hurricane in Jupiter prove that their is no God?

Man was created and given Dominion over the entire Universe. but lost that due to sin. since God cursed man due to Sin.every thing became rebellious against man. including nature, storms like hurricane and Tornandos ,Earthquakes are product of that. e.t.c
if you like believe it or not.
All this half crap bullshit you people exhibit in the name of Science is laughable.

knowyaself2:
Some things are hard for words - trying to express them by words can spoil them many times. The mind can grasp these but not all the finer points, especially facts in metaphysics. Some of these truths we can begin to understand by meditation, and by this means the mind can learn that there's only an endless sea of pure consciousness that brought everything into existence. It also permeates everything. I can confidently call this nature. Don't ask me to explain what the essence of this is or how it came about, because it will lead to endless bickering.

By meditation I know that this force/mother nature is not an intelligent being, but it is devine and seems to follow a particular set of natural laws and blueprint. It is the creative and destructive energy which has no beginning and no end.

lordnicklaus:


I do not like your shallowmindedness and show of disingenuousness. Where have I said there is no God? The phrase "I am a Christian" was probably lost in translation. I simply asked for your opinion on the issue and you are throwing hoolabaloos and hurling hogwash at me. Your naivete in Science is what is laughable and you seem to be a novice in that aspect. Engaging you in discussions have proven infantile and immature. Please do not quote me until you can shake off ego and pride from yourself and have a matured discussion. You seem to have problem in comprehending my english, until you do, please do not quote me.
I thought you were worth engaging in such discussion, but I guess I was wrong!!!

blueAgent:



You are Confused. next time you say their is Air conditioner in Space. Science Wannabe.

lordnicklaus:


Na wa o! Please I beg you in God's name, do not ever quote me or do not ever reply to my threads cause you ain't gonna like what you get.

Na wa o! I just asked for your opinion and you are here ranting and rambling trash. You need to go back to school and learn more. You are truly not worth engaging.

blueAgent:




Lol...... you never asked for my Opinion. what you did was to criticize my comment.

lordnicklaus:

You seriously can't tell between criticism and questions. I asked you to share your opinion if you feel sin caused hurricane on earth and why hurricane takes place on Jupiter, you should have said you have no idea of hurricane on Jupiter and that you are still a learner when it comes to astronomy.

blueAgent:



I laugh at you. am done arguing this.